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So as of now we have 3 candidates :
MoM /Sponsor :
1)YellowInk / Jspazz
2)Amber[LighT] / AcrossFiveJulys
3)Hesmyrr / Radfield
Opz wanted to nominate Radfield but didn't.
Amber[LighT] wants Radfield as Pardoner
My thoughts for now :
I've seen the aggressive townie style from YellowInk in game XVII, which is why I'm likely to be voting for him. If he is green or blue, we've got ourselves a great ally in an important position. But I'm reserving my vote for now.
I agree 100% on the fact that the MoM must be rolechecked. We really want a trustworthy MoM.
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On June 22 2010 22:04 ElyAs wrote:
So as of now we have 3 candidates :
MoM /Sponsor :
1)YellowInk / Jspazz
2)Amber[LighT] / AcrossFiveJulys
3)Hesmyrr / Radfield
Opz wanted to nominate Radfield but didn't.
Amber[LighT] wants Radfield as Pardoner
My thoughts for now :
I've seen the aggressive townie style from YellowInk in game XVII, which is why I'm likely to be voting for him. If he is green or blue, we've got ourselves a great ally in an important position. But I'm reserving my vote for now.
I agree 100% on the fact that the MoM must be rolechecked. We really want a trustworthy MoM.
Also, OpZ is highly suspicious of Hes, Radfield, and YellowInk. But not a lot of discussion seems to be going on. Let me help.
I nominate DCLXVI to be the lynch candidate. So far, I can't recall one decent post. Abenson just probably needs a PM to nudge him to play the game.
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Correction : "in game XVII" -> I meant Mafia XXVI.
On a sidenote, I'm surprised by all these votes, can the voters elaborate please ?
I mean... i don't remember seeing Roffles being sponsored and all of a sudden Hesmyrr is voting for him.
and lakrismamma, you voted in the wrong thread...
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Based on my limited experience, YellowInk seems to know what needs to be done and where. I'm in agreement ElyAs. I'm not sure how he'll play as a death eater but I'm almost sure we'll be able to notice the dip in post quality if he does come out as one.
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On June 22 2010 21:13 Amber[LighT] wrote:
Even if radfield is going to be inactive I can communicate with him regularly. If and when we need to pardon we will use him. I'm going out on a limb here to stress that I will probably be the best person for the position. I am also asking the detective to IMMEDIATELY check me.
Do we have a detective? The role list says Detective: See Legilimency and Occlumency. Legilimency is listed as a mafia spell. From the way medic is defined (see episky, a blue spell) it seems that there is no actual detective that can role check.
Also, can people have multiple spells? Occlumency seems kind of useless unless people can have multiple spells. I am not sure why the mafia would want to try to find out everyone's character. Obviously they would like to know who harry is so they don't kill him, but other than that it only seems to help them guess at blue roles, maybe. (this is assuming that the mafia already have a safe name list)
So is it true that only mafia get the red spells and only townies get the blue spells?
I am not sure what to think about Amber[light] right now, he seems like a good player but until I get a clarification on spell rules I cannot make a guess at his role.
Now that YellowInk is here I feel more secure in voting for him or radfield. Radfield may be the better choice just because he sort of didn't want the role because he doesn't think that he will be active. That is either a good ploy or he is thinking for the better of the town; I think that it is more likely a townie sort of play. I have no idea about Hesmyrr.
@opz
So far I have only seen 1 good post out of you too, I just don't spam the thread like you do to seem active.
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Voted Amber[LighT] cause he stepped up and asked. In this setup where we can check elected positions I do feel a little more at ease.
I PMed BM about whether we're allowed to mass name-claim..I still want to know if we can do it because it puts us in a better position with limited repercussions.
(Although I would agree somewhat that a mass name claim would be kinda imba)
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@DCLXVI
good point do we even have a town rolecheck to work with? Forget what I said above. My vote remains on Amber but with possibility of changing tonight.
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I'm voting amber[light]. I'm a little worried about him because he is insisting that he be role checked when he could hypothetically be the godfather. Still, though, he seems like the best candidate.
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Btw, BM, can we get a clarification on whether there is in fact a god father in this game?
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On June 22 2010 08:03 Hesmyrr wrote:
Also I'm not sure I can maintain this level of activity for future days yet, so I would like to turn Radfield's mayoral proposal down. In interest of proposing more candidates, I would like to nominate Roffles. He jumped straight into discussing spell mechanics, including whether AK was block able or not, which I think is type of discussion mafia would shy away from a little. I do not know scum hunting abilities of most players however, so I would appreciate if more people voiced who they support.
Guys, you are missing this post.
acrossfivejulys -> Amber[light].
AFJ, what specific part of amber[light]'s post did you like? It is in responsibility of nominee to also give a reason for nomination so if nominated is mafia he/she can't go like "oh I picked someone in random lol". We need to know if the nomination is mafia push, or legit pro-town reasoning.
zeks -> Radfield or Amber
I just need a clarification in your argument. Why are you nominating conservative posting townies? I don't really get it.
johnnyspazz -> YellowInk
I have already pointed out this is poor, half-hearted nomination which hurts the nominated as much as the nominee. However, I still give big plus to johnnyspazz because he was catalyst that started nomination mechanics instead of some people rising up to elect themselves, which allowed townies to take more definite positions than they would have been early game.
Radfield -> Hesmyrr
Radfield, you had one game with me (Three Kingdoms Mafia) where I had not shown any indication in my ability to catch scum, and had given up my team when simple pressure had been applied to me. There are plenty of players here, some already nominated, which are also highly active, so why particularly nominate me?
Hesmyrr -> Roffles
My justification for this choice is that his inquiry of questioning seemed something mafia is unlikely to do. I rather have someone I believe to be pro-town elected, since investigating mayoral position is more perilous than some seem to believe (elaborated below).
Amber[light] -> Radfield or himself.
I really do not like this. Although I can see why you would like to classify the town into two distinguishable categories, this also breaks the town nomination system and gives you too much control over our choice of candidates. I would very much like an explanation of why you chose Radfield as your rival candidate over other players. Secondly, wow are you stressing the fact detective needs to check you. I understand that determining alignment of mayoral positions is crucial, but you are leaving out the fact that: 1) more than one detective will likely check you since they aren't coordinated effectively nullifing the town investigative power d1, 2) you could be godfather and then claim pr with occulumency d2, and 3) presence of Mafia busdriver.
I propose alternative plan. Below is the player list:
Subversion
Jugan
stormtemplar
Jayme
acrossfivejulys
johnnyspazz
lakrismamma
Radfield
LuDwig-
JeeJee
Hesmyrr
YellowInk
~OpZ~
zeks
~Roffles
DCLXVI
ElyAs
Thegilaboy
LaXerCannon
Amber[LighT]
Abenson
The person with investigative powers in red tag investigate MoM
The person with investigative powers in green tag investigate pardoner
The person with investigative powers in blue tag investigate someone else.
Much harder to counter, I think.
~OpZ~ and Amber[light] voted for Radfield.
zeks and AcrossFiveJulys voted for Amber[LighT]
Casual question to ~OpZ~... If you don't like Radfield, why are you voting for him?
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On June 23 2010 00:00 Hesmyrr wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2010 08:03 Hesmyrr wrote:
Also I'm not sure I can maintain this level of activity for future days yet, so I would like to turn Radfield's mayoral proposal down. In interest of proposing more candidates, I would like to nominate Roffles. He jumped straight into discussing spell mechanics, including whether AK was block able or not, which I think is type of discussion mafia would shy away from a little. I do not know scum hunting abilities of most players however, so I would appreciate if more people voiced who they support. Guys, you are missing this post. acrossfivejulys -> Amber[light]. AFJ, what specific part of amber[light]'s post did you like? It is in responsibility of nominee to also give a reason for nomination so if nominated is mafia he/she can't go like "oh I picked someone in random lol". We need to know if the nomination is mafia push, or legit pro-town reasoning.
Well if you'd taken the time to read my original post nominating amber, you'd see that I said (at a time where not much about players was known) that he seemed to be posting pro town, analyzing the rules and such.
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Another strike against amber[light] argument. To my knowledge MoM goes to one with highest vote, and Governor to one with second highest vote. Does not that mean he is singlehandedly determining who is going to sit in ALL mayoral positions? Really? At least try to divide the town into three camps so we as a town have some choice in who to knock off.
I am fine with running for minister here. I don't think that I have any special qualifications beyond the other two candidates posed except, well, that I know I am town. But supposedly so do they, so yeah. If people feel that I would be a valuable choice in the election, I would gladly take the role to at least keep it out of death eater or even independant hands. My spellset would mesh reasonably well with an elected role, but regardless of election will need to remain concealed to keep its optimal efficiency.
YellowInk, you just softclaimed for the pr position. ...Eh.
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On June 23 2010 00:00 Hesmyrr wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2010 08:03 Hesmyrr wrote:
Also I'm not sure I can maintain this level of activity for future days yet, so I would like to turn Radfield's mayoral proposal down. In interest of proposing more candidates, I would like to nominate Roffles. He jumped straight into discussing spell mechanics, including whether AK was block able or not, which I think is type of discussion mafia would shy away from a little. I do not know scum hunting abilities of most players however, so I would appreciate if more people voiced who they support. Guys, you are missing this post. acrossfivejulys -> Amber[light]. AFJ, what specific part of amber[light]'s post did you like? It is in responsibility of nominee to also give a reason for nomination so if nominated is mafia he/she can't go like "oh I picked someone in random lol". We need to know if the nomination is mafia push, or legit pro-town reasoning.zeks -> Radfield or Amber I just need a clarification in your argument. Why are you nominating conservative posting townies? I don't really get it.johnnyspazz -> YellowInk I have already pointed out this is poor, half-hearted nomination which hurts the nominated as much as the nominee. However, I still give big plus to johnnyspazz because he was catalyst that started nomination mechanics instead of some people rising up to elect themselves, which allowed townies to take more definite positions than they would have been early game.Radfield -> HesmyrrRadfield, you had one game with me (Three Kingdoms Mafia) where I had not shown any indication in my ability to catch scum, and had given up my team when simple pressure had been applied to me. There are plenty of players here, some already nominated, which are also highly active, so why particularly nominate me?Hesmyrr -> Roffles My justification for this choice is that his inquiry of questioning seemed something mafia is unlikely to do. I rather have someone I believe to be pro-town elected, since investigating mayoral position is more perilous than some seem to believe (elaborated below). Amber[light] -> Radfield or himself. I really do not like this. Although I can see why you would like to classify the town into two distinguishable categories, this also breaks the town nomination system and gives you too much control over our choice of candidates. I would very much like an explanation of why you chose Radfield as your rival candidate over other players. Secondly, wow are you stressing the fact detective needs to check you. I understand that determining alignment of mayoral positions is crucial, but you are leaving out the fact that: 1) more than one detective will likely check you since they aren't coordinated effectively nullifing the town investigative power d1, 2) you could be godfather and then claim pr with occulumency d2, and 3) presence of Mafia busdriver.
I propose alternative plan. Below is the player list:
Subversion
Jugan
stormtemplar
Jayme
acrossfivejulys
johnnyspazz
lakrismamma
Radfield
LuDwig-
JeeJee
Hesmyrr
YellowInk
~OpZ~
zeks
~Roffles
DCLXVI
ElyAs
Thegilaboy
LaXerCannon
Amber[LighT]
Abenson
The person with investigative powers in red tag investigate MoM
The person with investigative powers in green tag investigate pardoner
The person with investigative powers in blue tag investigate someone else.
Much harder to counter, I think.~OpZ~ and Amber[light] voted for Radfield. zeks and AcrossFiveJulys voted for Amber[LighT] Casual question to ~OpZ~... If you don't like Radfield, why are you voting for him?
Actually what you're proposing to do role checks is what I had in mind. Either that or if you are within five players of myself (1 below, 4 above) and you can role check to role check me. This will lower the possibility of overlap, but doesn't guarantee it. From there what we could do is a player cushion style. So what you do is if you are a detective then check the person above OR below you. If you stumble upon a death eater then IMMEDIATELY come forward. In future nights we will have a protection schedule set up like the detective schedule for Day 1. I was also trying to think of a reason to block your thoughts for a night, but it really won't benefit us as much, especially if players are coming forward if they find DE's. We also don't know how many times a player can use "x" spell... I'm pretty sure BM gave number maximums since it would be a bit imba if the DE's can use the AK curse an infinite amount of times.
Now this also goes back to the idea of role blockers as well. To avoid role blocking the detectives we should have the MoM, the Pardoner and the other candidates be role blocked. If any of these players are detectives they should let us know as soon as possible. What we can do is place medic (episky) on them so they can do a thought check, if they're actually able to. The role blockers will actually prevent spells, good or bad, for the night. It doesn't guarantee that they're not DE's, but it allows for the detectives to do their work without being blocked.
Also how does the bodyguard role work? Are they just protecting other players at random, if any in this game?
And I believe it is possible for detectives to have red or blue spells. I think the idea of the spells being colored is just to show whether the spell was actually "bad" or "good" in terms of the books.
We also need to decide on potential lynch targets. Right now we have a few people who are inactive so they should be considered FIRST. People like Abenson, should start posting since being quiet is not helpful.
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Also I did not step up as a candidate until someone else nominated me. I am pushing for my candidacy because I believe I can lead the town to victory, and I'm really confident that I can do this. I don't understand why you're bashing me for proposing a plan if I was the MoM and pushing for my election when we agreed that people should only be pushing if they were nominated... I followed the rules the few active players agreed upon, and I believe that my plan will work. We have a lot of variables in the game, but if we can elect some level-headed individuals into office that have been posting we can start finding the DE's faster, even if the spells are going to work against us.
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On June 23 2010 00:21 Amber[LighT] wrote:
Also I did not step up as a candidate until someone else nominated me. I am pushing for my candidacy because I believe I can lead the town to victory, and I'm really confident that I can do this. I don't understand why you're bashing me for proposing a plan if I was the MoM and pushing for my election when we agreed that people should only be pushing if they were nominated... I followed the rules the few active players agreed upon, and I believe that my plan will work. We have a lot of variables in the game, but if we can elect some level-headed individuals into office that have been posting we can start finding the DE's faster, even if the spells are going to work against us.
The candidates definitely should propose plans, but it is in equal responsibility of the players to find faults and pitfalls as much as possible- and question the proposer to see if the weakness in the plan is unintentional or deliberate. The way you countered by building upon the plan - cushion style method for blue tag players - has alleviated my suspicion quite a lot, but I still want to hear about how you pulled out Radfield's name, and why. If this plan continues you and Radfield are guaranteed to be either MoM/Governor; which is something one should definitely be held accountable for should the future unfold peachy.
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Roffles
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I think we should be more focused right now upon mayoral elections and each plan going forth from here on out. Lynching can wait a day. First things first with these elections. I want to see platforms from both major candidates who are planning on pursuing MoM, and from there we can criticize each plan and make amends before jumping to conclusions without much substance.
My one hesitation about this game is that there are a lot of random variables that we don't know about, such as which roles exist and which abilities exist, which makes planning from now on rather difficult to coordinate. But a general plan should be devised so we can work with a base.
Btw, Abenson probably just needs a PM to get him kickstarted.
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On June 22 2010 23:57 AcrossFiveJulys wrote:
Btw, BM, can we get a clarification on whether there is in fact a god father in this game?
Yes.
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6 hours 20 minutes until elections are over
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On June 23 2010 00:32 Hesmyrr wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2010 00:21 Amber[LighT] wrote:
Also I did not step up as a candidate until someone else nominated me. I am pushing for my candidacy because I believe I can lead the town to victory, and I'm really confident that I can do this. I don't understand why you're bashing me for proposing a plan if I was the MoM and pushing for my election when we agreed that people should only be pushing if they were nominated... I followed the rules the few active players agreed upon, and I believe that my plan will work. We have a lot of variables in the game, but if we can elect some level-headed individuals into office that have been posting we can start finding the DE's faster, even if the spells are going to work against us. The candidates definitely should propose plans, but it is in equal responsibility of the players to find faults and pitfalls as much as possible- and question the proposer to see if the weakness in the plan is unintentional or deliberate. The way you countered by building upon the plan - cushion style method for blue tag players - has alleviated my suspicion quite a lot, but I still want to hear about how you pulled out Radfield's name, and why. If this plan continues you and Radfield are guaranteed to be either MoM/Governor; which is something one should definitely be held accountable for should the future unfold peachy.
Radfield and I were really the first two to start pushing against each other. Our discussions are more-or-less aligned at this point and we can probably equally bring the town to victory. I'm engaging Radfield as a candidate on my own, he did not ask me to do this. I believe that if we properly organize our efforts we can start eliminating players. I feel like if there was one other player that needed to be checked ASAP it would be him, especially if he's going to be AFK from the game. It's my fear that players use the AFK line to say they won't be around much, but they flip red in the end. It's also important to gauge his power in this game (ie the spells he could have).
I will still run on my own if Radfield doesn't feel like he wants the position as pardoner. Like I said I think I can function much better as the MoM so we need to make sure the votes are in line to have myself as no. 1, and radfield as no. 2.
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Ahhh and I did not realize that there was a godfather in this game. I understand that this is (yet another) variable. However with checking players it will be wise to note that the godfather is probably someone who can mask their identity (ie someone that could be good, but is bad). The book fanatics are going to really have to step up when we need to decipher between potential "bad" characters and the good ones. I'm ready to assist with what I can, but ultimately the detectives will need to make the choice to with-hold or post up valuable clue information.
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