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On May 12 2010 02:33 Korynne wrote: Oh gawd, all that Three Kingdoms references and stuff. Are you going to add, if Guan Yu and Cao Cao meet in battle, Guan Yu is going to let Cao Cao win? xD I'm cringing at the possibilities of all the roles here. xD Please let a role be Dian Wei, please let a role be Dian Wei, please let a role be Dian Wei... (For those of you who don't know Dian Wei, here's a mildly inaccurate, but undoubtedly badass, writeup of who he is (He is #5 on the list): http://www.cracked.com/article/197_the-7-most-badass-last-stands-in-history-battle/ | ||
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On May 18 2010 07:10 Radfield wrote: Sounds good to me Send me your armies!! For I will make this a better game! How you ask? Why by killing those tag-along, verge of getting modkilled, just post enough to get by players. Those players are BORING, and lack both sass AND pizazz. At the end of the day, we'll (I'll) figure out who the least posting and uninspired player is and swoop down to DeathStar their planet. In the unlikely event that everyone is moderately active, I will kill someone else. I'm open to suggestions. I like the way you think, sir. I throw my weight behind you! ##VOTE: RADFIELD## | ||
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On May 18 2010 14:03 BloodyC0bbler wrote: You didn't read the game, there is no "mafia" per se in this game. there are 4 factions competing, read the rule set. Also, jumping in on bandwagons is retarded this early on in the game. Uhh... did you not read his post? He's specifically stating that he's glad he DOESN'T have to worry about people yelling "MAFIA" because there are no mafia in this game, and he knows there are 4 factions. Perhaps you should read peoples' posts before you flame them. | ||
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On May 19 2010 04:23 XeliN wrote: BrownBear catchup, same challenge to you, provide one coherent argument for why a unaligned (as most of us are) townie ought to try to vote for a suspected yellow at this stage. Otherwise there is no reason to do so and I would go back to the inactive//Abenson idea purely for reasons of game quality. The way I see it, every night, 3 people are recruited to the 3 main factions, and one is recruited to the Yellow Turbans. Naturally, there will be some overlap, occasionally two factions will try to recruit the same person and bounce, that kind of thing, but for the most part this will hold true. There are 24 people in the game, meaning that the pool of recruitable people is 20. The YT leader has a 3 in 20 chance of screwing up and getting his entire faction killed if he picks completely randomly, which he will not do, so it's fairly safe to say that he is not going to recruit a faction leader unless he gets very unlucky or reads someone completely wrong. Thus, the pool of potential recruits for each of the 3 main factions is going to decrease by 1 person a night. Now, humor me for a second, and lets run through a sample situation. For this, let's assume (even though this won't be true) that each faction leader picks a different person each night, and no two people pick the same person in one night, so 4 people are getting recruited per night. Let's also assume that each faction leader is smart and can figure out who their rivals are, so no faction leaders are picked to recruit. The first night, everyone is able to pick, no trouble, so there's one person dead from the "lynch" during the day, there are 15 unaligned, and 2 people in every faction (counting the faction leaders). The second day, let's say another unaligned person is lynched, as this is the most likely occurence. Then, another round of recruitment happens as normal, so there are 2 dead players, 11 unaligned, and 3 per faction. The third day, lets say a green guy gets lynched, as it's now more likely that someone in a faction is going to be lynched than an unaligned player. Then, at night, let's say Red tries to recruit a Yellow, so fails (I assume he gets a message saying "You cant recruit that player" or something similar), Blue recruits an unaligned, Green recruits a Blue, and Yellow recruits an unaligned. So now we have 9 unaligned players, 3 Red players, 3 Blue players, 3 Green players, and 4 yellow players. The fourth day, just for kicks, an unaligned player gets killed. At night, Yellow recruits a Blue, Red recruits a Blue, Blue recruits an Unaligned, and Green recruits a Red. So now we have 7 unaligned, 3 Reds, 2 Blues, 4 Greens, and 5 Yellows. See where I'm going with this? Obviously, I ignored some things such as nightkills and assumed some things that probably won't happen with this game, but my point is: The Yellow Turbans are the most likely to get very strong very quickly, unless we harass them early. In the example above, the Yellow Turbans now have the largest voting bloc in the game, so assuming the YT leader has been reading the thread, he can now get people to start bandwagons, and begin targeting people who he thinks are faction leaders, as he will have enough armies to overcome their natural defense. Because unaligned players will probably just be bandwagoning with the biggest voting bloc, this can become a major issue very quickly. Of course, the YT leader could, at any point, accidentally try to recruit a faction leader and screw himself over, but I really don't think this is likely to happen. The way I see it, I have a very small chance of becoming a Yellow Turban for a while, as they only get 1 person per night, and I have a much larger chance of becoming part of one of the other factions, since they get up to 3 per night. Since I'll obviously want whatever faction I'm part of to win, I want the Yellow Turbans dead, even though I'm currently not part of any faction. Thus, I'm going to say, I will switch my vote off of Radfield if anyone explicitly says they will be gunning for Yellow Turbans with the daykill if they get it. There's my argument. | ||
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On May 19 2010 04:47 BrownBear wrote: The way I see it, every night, 3 people are recruited to the 3 main factions, and one is recruited to the Yellow Turbans. Naturally, there will be some overlap, occasionally two factions will try to recruit the same person and bounce, that kind of thing, but for the most part this will hold true. There are 24 people in the game, meaning that the pool of recruitable people is 20. The YT leader has a 3 in 20 chance of screwing up and getting his entire faction killed if he picks completely randomly, which he will not do, so it's fairly safe to say that he is not going to recruit a faction leader unless he gets very unlucky or reads someone completely wrong. Thus, the pool of potential recruits for each of the 3 main factions is going to decrease by 1 person a night. Now, humor me for a second, and lets run through a sample situation. For this, let's assume (even though this won't be true) that each faction leader picks a different person each night, and no two people pick the same person in one night, so 4 people are getting recruited per night. Let's also assume that each faction leader is smart and can figure out who their rivals are, so no faction leaders are picked to recruit. The first night, everyone is able to pick, no trouble, so there's one person dead from the "lynch" during the day, there are 15 unaligned, and 2 people in every faction (counting the faction leaders). The second day, let's say another unaligned person is lynched, as this is the most likely occurence. Then, another round of recruitment happens as normal, so there are 2 dead players, 11 unaligned, and 3 per faction. The third day, lets say a green guy gets lynched, as it's now more likely that someone in a faction is going to be lynched than an unaligned player. Then, at night, let's say Red tries to recruit a Yellow, so fails (I assume he gets a message saying "You cant recruit that player" or something similar), Blue recruits an unaligned, Green recruits a Blue, and Yellow recruits an unaligned. So now we have 9 unaligned players, 3 Red players, 3 Blue players, 3 Green players, and 4 yellow players. The fourth day, just for kicks, an unaligned player gets killed. At night, Yellow recruits a Blue, Red recruits a Blue, Blue recruits an Unaligned, and Green recruits a Red. So now we have 7 unaligned, 3 Reds, 2 Blues, 4 Greens, and 5 Yellows. See where I'm going with this? Obviously, I ignored some things such as nightkills and assumed some things that probably won't happen with this game, but my point is: The Yellow Turbans are the most likely to get very strong very quickly, unless we harass them early. In the example above, the Yellow Turbans now have the largest voting bloc in the game, so assuming the YT leader has been reading the thread, he can now get people to start bandwagons, and begin targeting people who he thinks are faction leaders, as he will have enough armies to overcome their natural defense. Because unaligned players will probably just be bandwagoning with the biggest voting bloc, this can become a major issue very quickly. Of course, the YT leader could, at any point, accidentally try to recruit a faction leader and screw himself over, but I really don't think this is likely to happen. The way I see it, I have a very small chance of becoming a Yellow Turban for a while, as they only get 1 person per night, and I have a much larger chance of becoming part of one of the other factions, since they get up to 3 per night. Since I'll obviously want whatever faction I'm part of to win, I want the Yellow Turbans dead, even though I'm currently not part of any faction. Thus, I'm going to say, I will switch my vote off of Radfield if anyone explicitly says they will be gunning for Yellow Turbans with the daykill if they get it. There's my argument. Also, as an addendum, since PMs are allowed, the YT leader can just tell everyone he recruits who he is and what they are, as YTs are YTs for life once they get recruited, thus there is no danger that they get recruited away from him and tell on him to another faction leader. If he recruits someone that was part of a faction, and that person knows who the faction leader was, then they have every incentive to tell the YT leader, as they die if he dies. Thus, the bigger the YTs get, the more likely it is that the YTs will win, as they will likely have the knowledge of who at least some of the faction leaders are, and once they get 5-6 people they can just win the game easily by bandwagoning votes to a random YT, who will then target that faction leader. | ||
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On May 19 2010 05:16 Abenson wrote: Announcement: I don't care about anything right now. and so should you (not care) Why? We are not really part of any clan/army right now, and therefore there is no point to us trying to do anything at all. Eliminating the Yellows sounds like a good plan, but it doesn't really benefit us. We, as regular townies, don't care about the politics right now Therefore I will simply un-vote and watch what happens (and occasionally spam) Did you not read my post? Eliminating the Yellows does everything for us. Not only are they the most powerful faction, they're the faction you most likely won't be a part of, and they can win with only 6-7 players, meaning a lot of you will be out of luck. Also, you didn't read the OP, which specifically states that YOU MUST VOTE OR CALLER WILL KILL YOU. God, you are an idiot... | ||
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I would say at first, it's going to be more everyone vs. Yellow Turbans than faction wars, as most people seem to have realized that the Yellow Turbans are the most dangerous faction. The difference from normal Mafia, obviously, is that YTs have no voting power at first, but after a few days will probably be able to influence votes in their favor. They also have no nightkills, at least until they recruit people with night-killing roles. Thus, these first 2-3 days are crucial, as we want to kill off the YT leader before his faction can get powerful enough to simply roll us. If we fail this first stage, YT will win. Assuming we manage to kill YT off, however, we then reach stage 2: A 3-clan war. I'm going to ballpark maybe 14 people surviving to part two, and (hopefully) all 3 main factions, meaning that stage 2 of the game will be what everyone thought at first - three factions duking it out, recruiting each other, madness going on in the daily voting, that kind of fun hilarious anarchy. The problem is, to get there, we have to get through stage 1 first. Thus, Radfield, while I agree with you that we don't really have much to go on at this point, we also don't really have a lot of time: We need to act quickly, because the bigger Yellow gets, the harder it's going to be for the rest of us to live. Thus, I say we lynch someone suspicious today, because it might be a bit of a gamble, but it hopefully will have a huge payoff. I'm going to leave my vote on you unless someone else says "hey vote for me I will gun for YT" because whether or not you listen to me, your idea is the best fallback, and there's always the chance that YT leader is actually hiding among the inactives. | ||
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Other factions have a bit of a gamble. The notification from Caller would simply tell a person that they were red, or blue, or green. Do the faction leaders then choose to contact the person? They know full well that if that person gets recruited away to another faction (or got forbid YT) then they have pretty much infallible proof of who a rival faction leader is... but there's no coordination if someone knows that they are green, but doesn't know who his allies are. It could lead to some hilarious incidents of a bunch of greens thinking that they know who their leader is, and bandwagoning votes to him, only to have him then choose to execute the REAL green leader. I like this. | ||
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On May 19 2010 09:43 ~OpZ~ wrote: I vote for your death. Caller doesn't pick favorites. He has said that many many a time. Faction leader brown bear trying to hidE?! Jumping on the first thing I say much? Wow, you are talent. HOW I PLAY MAFIA AS GOOD AS YOU LAWL Seriously, though, explain to me, exactly how my post tells you anything about who I am? I think you just want to throw someone who isn't you under a bus. | ||
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Hahaha, I just realized, instead of calling Scum on people this game, we can simply call them yellow (In the cowardly sense, not the racist sense). So, sir, unless you want to throw some hard evidence behind your claim that I am a vile human being, you might have just flagged yourself as the Yellow Turban Leader. Also, I did not know about the RNG at the time of that ONE post. Thanks for clarifying that for me, though! | ||
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You really would rather kill an active player than one of the many people who have not posted or voted yet? And you would point at the one person in this thread who's been the most vocal about targeting the Yellow Turbans first? I question your gamesense. | ||
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On May 19 2010 10:25 Hesmyrr wrote: Is it me or is everyone's argument blatant WIFOM? Meh, actually a little bit. I retract my earlier statement, that was in the heat of the moment. He's probably not the YT leader... but I still question his decision-making skills | ||
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On May 19 2010 14:30 Caller wrote: posting ur role pm is a bad idea by which i mean its bannable just so you know ^_^ I GET IT ALREADY OK JEEZ | ||
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Also, lol at everyone who thinks I'm the YT leader. | ||
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On May 20 2010 03:04 Hesmyrr wrote: Okay, if you insist, let me put it in neutral perspective then. First since there are three recruiters vs one YT recruiter, neutral's chance of becoming YT are much lower than possibility of becoming other faction. If YT manages to grow unabated, it effectively means that everyone not belonging to YT is literally screwed. This demands two strategy: 1) eliminate YT which is likely to become your enemy, or 2) beg for YT to recruit you. This is up to personal choice, but I don't know, I find first idea rather better than second idea. Second YT recruiter is different from normal recruiter in one thing; they can get killed from choosing faction leader, while other three faction does not have to worry about such things. Third Something happened, and YT leader is out. With him revealed chance of his victory decreases dramatically- wow, playing as neutral, it's time to change alliance! Oh wait, you are stuck. Too bad. Even when you are aiming for faction fight, this demonstrates YT is horrible for your individual survival. And if we are going to play as Town, well, getting rid of strongest cult is obv. This. Sure, if YT reaches a certain point, they are pretty much guaranteed victory, but playing the odds of YT actually reaching that point is a terrible idea for individual players. You have a very small chance of being on the YT team if they reach that point, and if you get recruited and they get targeted and found out, you are screwed, no way around it. | ||
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On May 20 2010 03:30 Fishball wrote: It's my fault for reading the game rules so late so I nobody but myself to blame. If anyone wants to take my spot in this game, I would gladly give up my spot. Wait, why are you bouncing? I don't understand. | ||
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Of course, it's Caller, so he could have just changed his mind, but that makes the most sense to me. | ||
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On May 19 2010 12:16 Caller wrote: Day ends in 18 hours Well, he's only got about 2 hours to clear his name, if my math is correct. So we will see soon. | ||
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On May 20 2010 05:11 Caller wrote: i already made one -_- http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=114591 Oh my god someone please remake that. That's amazing. | ||
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On May 20 2010 05:18 L wrote: Brownbear, by contrast reacted a bit too emotionally to being called out as the YT leader so it probably isn't him. He might be a grunt if they start with grunts. Given that it makes sense Could you finish that sentence please? I'm not about to attack you, I'm just actually curious what you were gonna say. | ||
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On May 20 2010 05:28 L wrote: Well, i actually saw that too after I re-read the post, but its kinda complete as it is. "given that, it makes sense." To elaborate, it would make sense that someone would laugh that they've been caught as being, say, the godfather, if they're actually just a grunt. Since the pin IS false and they can see the absurdities behind the argumentation, they're more likely to rage or laugh it off like most people do. Generally speaking, when accused people laugh the issue off if they're innocent, but we've had a rash of townies being really dumb and getting really angry instead of trying to clear themselves off what they obviously know is shitty logic. Given that mafia are put into a position of introspection and self-censoring, they're kinda a bit slower to jump to either option because of how thread mechanics work. In short, its much harder for an accurately pinned person to fake an emotional defense because instead of being an emotional reaction, it becomes a calculated play. But yeah, if the YT do have a leader format, so far I'd say you aren't him. Fair enough as far as your logic goes. I'm neutral (for now), and I'm still pretty convinced that the YTs operate pretty much the same as the other factions, albeit with some extra rules. I'm betting the YTs actually have a leader because if they did not, it would be a travesty. Assume that the YTs don't have a leader, and that there are three of them. Person A and B want to recruit someone, say, Bill Murray, and Person C wants to recruit Fishball. Normally, Person A and B would just send off one PM to Caller saying "Yo, the Yellow Turbans are recruiting BM tonight, kthxbye" and all would be good. Person C, however, is a dick, and doesn't want to accept that he lost the vote. So Person C decides to be a dick and just PM Caller before Person A or B does, saying "Yo Caller, we're recruiting Fishball tonight." I'm assuming Caller doesn't want his inbox cluttered up by all the Yellow Turbans voting, and doesn't want to have to tally up the votes, so he will probably just go by the first person who votes. Thus, if Person C beats out Person A and B, then the Yellow Turbans will recruit Fishball instead of Bill Murray, despite Bill Murray winning the majority vote within the YTs themselves. This, quite frankly, is a stupid way of setting up a faction. Note, however, that I have never played as a Mafia character in any other Mafia game, so I'm not sure how the voting works for that: I'm just going off the voting structure of a similar-style game played on another forum (with werewolves instead of mafia, but you get the idea), where the host took the first PM in at night to be the nightkill, so teams could get easily derailed by one person being a dick. For that game, it wasn't really a big issue, since one person hijacking the pick just meant that another random player got killed, and a KP wasn't wasted. In this format, however, there is actually a penalty (a very serious one at that) for picking the wrong person, so one idiot could actively mean the death of an entire team. It is for this reason that I think one of the two following scenarios is more likely: 1) YTs operate as a team, but they all send in nightvotes and Caller tallies them up. This is very unlikely for the following reasons: This would clutter the crap out of Caller's inbox, and he probably doesn't want to deal with that shit, and also, he has said in this thread that teams can choose whether they want to notify new recruits that they have been recruited or not. Obviously, YTs would most likely want to notify their new recruits, but in the case they choose not to, for whatever reason, that would leave one Yellow Turban completely out of the loop, so he wouldn't be able to vote. That would be silly. 2) Given the problems with the above scenario, this is the far more likely one: The Yellow Turbans have a leader, who acts as all other leaders, and has the final say in recruitment. So, from what I see, it looks like the Yellow Turbans should be the same as any other faction, just with the added danger of all getting murdered, and the ability to grow very strong very quickly. | ||
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On May 20 2010 06:36 L wrote: You basically wrote a huge post to tell us that a situation directly analogous to a normal mafia team is a stupid way to set up a team and is thus impossible. Given that we have 20+ games consisting of people playing under the exact same conditions, it stands to reason that you might be a tad wrong with your reasoning. Is your conclusion wrong? I dunno. Your reasoning, however, is. Mafia teams typically send in 1 hit list, and if multiple people send in a list, the person who sends it last is assumed to have the proper list. The team will generally bitch if someone sends in a random list, so typically the team will get together in IRC or in pms and come up with a consensus list. Alternatively they'll pick someone and let him pick. In the last instance, the rest of the team AFKs and someone, mostly L, gets annoyed and picks people who would be hilarious and puts that into a PM which is filled with jokes and comedy. Hence the reason I said, in that very same post "hey, I've never played on a mafia team here before, but based on my past experience on a different forum this sounds like it could be silly. Now I am educated! | ||
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 I'll be back on at around 9:30 EST, roughly, so I guess I'll see the aftermath then. Peace. | ||
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Also, seriously LR, if you're gonna be a faction leader, play. It makes the game that much better for the rest of us. | ||
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Tomorrow, 3 of us will suddenly be no longer working with the group as a whole. Who will those 3 be? | ||
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On May 20 2010 11:31 Bill Murray wrote: this game is pm-able? i have received pms from players. this is the 3rd reference i've made to this, and noone has said anything. i'm assuming i can pm. As far as I know PMs are allowed. Caller hasn't said one way or the other, but I was under the impression that PMs are allowed unless otherwise specified. | ||
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Also, MyHeroNoob, really useful post there. Glad to see you're staying active and contributing so much to this game. >< | ||
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We do not let any person win the day vote more than once. My reasoning is this: If we start going back to the same person over and over to vote for us, then it would stand to reason that some faction leader would notice and decide to recruit that one person. Now, we're giving our armies to one person, but they aren't working for the neutrals anymore, they're working for a faction. If we keep picking different people to choose they daykill, then we have a much better chance of actually having the daykill be in neutral hands, and not in the hands of a faction. Also, can I get a rules clarification in the house? Say that 3 factions are killed off early, and there's only one faction (Green) left, but there are more neutrals than Greens. Does the game end at that point, as Green outnumbers the other (dead) factions, or do the neutrals count as a faction, so it turns into regular mafia, where the neutrals try to figure out the greens, and the greens recruit the neutrals? Also, if a non-YT faction leader is killed, what happens to his recruits? Do they die too, or do they revert to neutral? | ||
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What about my strategery idea? Does it sound good to everyone playing? | ||
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On May 20 2010 14:04 johnnyspazz wrote: i like this idea a lot except how do we go about picking the next person to give armies to? we might as well use RNG to decide since i dont really a good way to decide who gets the next hit. It's true, there's still a certain element of luck involved, but I still think it's better odds than saying "Ok, Radfield gets the dayvote from now on." Even if we don't state it explicitly, a smart faction leader will pick up on it and recruit him, meaning we now have a 0% chance of giving the vote to a neutral. We just have to use those Mafia people-reading skillz, except instead of figuring out who the most likely scum are, we have to figure out who the most likely innocent people are | ||
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On May 21 2010 02:32 Falcynn wrote: I actually think radfield's "Even if I'm a confirmed towny" was mostly just to tell everyone that whatever anyone thinks of his role now, his actions don't have any effect on his likelihood of being recruited. Not to actually exclaim that he's a confirmed towny. He probably just threw that line in there since that would probably be the extreme of what anyone here would be thinking. Very true, I am not sure whether or not Radfield will be recruited tonight or not... but we can't deny he was awesome on day 1, good show mate I feel that it's wisest just to play it safe and pick somebody else to give our armies to. So long as we continue with the "everyone discusses who to daykill, then picks someone to carry it out" format, it won't be such a huge deal who it is (and we can feel safe about continuing this format for at least 1-2 more days). It's absolutely nothing against Radfield personally, and it's entirely possible that he could either get double-recruited or not recruited at all, and still end up neutral, however, its also entirely likely he gets recruited. To play it safe, I'm gonna say we do the same thing tomorrow - take a look at who looks inactive or scummy, then decide who's most likely town, give them all our armies, and have them daykill a group-chosen target. So yeah. Nothing against you, Radfield, I <3 you I just thing, for the good of the neutrals, this way is safer. | ||
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But yeah. I wonder what Diao Chan's power was, because my Three Kingdoms knowledge is limited to Dynasty Warriors... :D Also, Trezeguet23... no offense but I'd rather we give the power of voting to someone who's contributed a little bit more, not just a lurker. It's a good incentive to get people to contribute, plus, we should be giving the vote to people we can analyze so that we can be reasonably sure they're neutral and not a faction-aligned person hiding amongst the inactives. | ||
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On May 21 2010 10:48 LunarDestiny wrote: Dian Chan is a fictional character created by the author of ROTK. She is characterize as a double agent who turned Lu Bu against Dong Zhuo and also a female who brings bad luck to she mate (Lu Bu). She disappeared after Dong Zhuo was killed by Lu Bu. One other variation describes that it is Guan Yu who killed her under the crescent moon (關羽月下斬貂蟬) Awesome, thanks! | ||
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I am high as holy hell right now, but tomorrow I will write up a good analysis post defending what I've said here, so please wait for that before attacking me. | ||
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I am still a neutral - no faction affiliation as of yet. My current plan this game (until I get recruited, if that happens) is to aim for faction leaders and try to kill them all as fast as possible to get a neutral victory. I have nightkill powers. ...you can probably see where this is heading. I had my suspicions about L, because of the following: Inactive for most of the day (although he says he always votes late...). After Tricode posts enough to clear himself off the "hey let's lynch the inactives" list, L questions BM's logic: On May 20 2010 05:24 L wrote: You realized he made a big post to say "I've been inactive, but I'm also going to be inactive in the future" and you're taking that as a sign that he's active? ... ok. Um... BM said he wasn't going to be lynched on Day 1. If you didn't notice, the Day 1 lynch was really just a "hey, so people who post and probably want to play are going to live, we're going to lynch the people who don't try to be active" sort of thing? It was honestly more or less pure luck we got Cao Cao day 1, Last Romantic just happened to be an inactive AND a faction leader. This sounds to me like you are worried you're still on the lynch list, and you want that list to be as long as possible so you have as big a chance of surviving as possible. Pushes for killing LunarDestiny at the end of the day, which Radfield ignores (turns out very wisely). So so far he hasn't been scummy, per se, but he also hasn't been exactly agreeing with the general hivemind consensus. Instead of going for daykilling completely inactive people, he's trying to push more towards daykilling lurkers and the like - as in, people who will contribute later to the game. That's more telling than anything - if a faction leader can make it to late game, when all the actives have long since started killing each other off, if it's just him, 1 or 2 actives, and a bunch of inactives, his chances of winning just skyrocketed. After LastRomantic dies, he posts this gem, which actually gives me a ton of information: On May 20 2010 11:56 Last Romantic wrote: Huh? There was no 'playing' to do, I just got offed Oo; I don't see what I was supposed to do differently edit: also, I thought I took two hits to kill? I'm quite confused. So now I know that faction leaders have two night lives. As stated before, I have a night kill. I figure "Well, there isn't that much else to go on, so I might as well test this out." I tried to night kill L last night. It did not go through. So now, I know one of two things - either L is a faction leader, or L is another role that somehow happens to have 2 night lives. I think the second option is unlikely because with 4 faction leaders in the game, that's already 4 people with veteran powers, and having more would make it kind of insane, and make nightkills very underpowered. Thus, I'm going to say Tricode is actually telling the truth, and L is a faction leader and should be daykilled. So, I have thrown my armies behind Tricode, let's see how it works out. (PS Tricode... please be telling the truth man ) | ||
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Well then. So if Lu Xun wants to roleclaim, then I guess Tricode is full of shit? I'm a little confused. Is Opz Lu Xun? | ||
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Maybe? That message confuses the hell out of me. | ||
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So, I'm gonna say this is my official stance: If Lu Xun wants to say "I protected L, lay offa him ya fuckers", then I will switch my vote off of Tricode and over to L, and I vote we lynch Tricode for lying like that. If it was a medic who protected L, that would only block my night hit - not Tricode's powercheck, which would mean L is lying, and thus is still probably a faction leader, so my vote remains unchanged. If there are no roleclaims about that shit, then I'm gonna stay with what I know - I tried to kill L last night, it failed, it's most likely that it failed because of night armor, so he's most likely a faction leader. Alternately L, if you want to roleclaim and explain why Tricode is full of shit, either in this thread or by PMing me, I'm totally willing to listen. | ||
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On May 22 2010 03:16 ~OpZ~ wrote: I'm perfectly fine mouth piecing for Lu Xun for the day. Too many other options viable for recruiting today so he should be fine tomorrow too. I don't like the idea of him publicly doing it myself... That's cool with me, but I guess the only question is, how do we know we can trust YOU? | ||
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On May 22 2010 03:27 Hesmyrr wrote: Okay I'm back, and I have also coordinated myself with an anonymous tracker. I am Lu Xun. I will posting my plan soon. Alright, so who did you protect last night, then? | ||
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On May 22 2010 03:44 Hesmyrr wrote: I am Lu Xun. I can protect one person from night actions from every night. I asked Caller, and he said my protection overrides everything, including recruitment/NK/investigation etc. I said encryption codes to ~Opz~ day 1 so you can feel pretty confident in my roleclaim (I did leave out NK bit, but we traded names and I was afraid Lu Bu was serial killer. Tricode did fix himself to being an DT so I suppose it won't matter). I am obviously speaking up because I protected L last night, and thus know what Tricode is saying cannot be true. It is likely that he is Yellow Turban and is trying to waste today's kill. Either way it is clear to me neither of these two cannot be Yellow Turban leader. This is why I propose an alternative plan; Tracker contacted me via PM and stated Radfield was visited by Xelin. He is kind of lurkish and kind of off everyone's radar, but I believe we have better chance of hitting faction leader by targetting Xelin instead of either Tricode or L. This is my plan: we pick one Townie other than me, L, or Tricode, and tell him to NK Xelin. At the upcoming night we can clarify this Tricode-L situation by having Abenson target Tricode- this will definiely prove he is YT. If Tricode does not die, then I'll accept he is genuine in his claim and I fucked up somewhere (lol Caller), and just lynch him day 3. Hm. Ok then. So, this doesn't mean L's name is completely cleared, but it does mean that Tricode is lying. I don't particularly like liars all that much. However, your idea to lynch XeliN has some merit. Tracker, I'm assuming, is a role where you follow someone and see who they visited. This is interesting... Right now, I'm still unconvinced that we should target XeliN, largely because I'm still pissed at Tricode for lying like that after I backed him up, but I'm unsure. So, to take my biases out of the equation, I hereby nominate myself for being in charge of today's daykill. Here's how I will handle it: Everyone who decides to give me your armies, post in the thread that you have, and post who you want me to kill. Majority rules, whoever has the most votes at the end of the day will be my target if I win the dayvote. This way, I don't have to make complicated decisions, we choose someone the town picks, and you guys can decide whether we a) lynch Tricode for lying or b) lynch XeliN for visiting someone. Oh, and Im not gonna kill myself, so if you really want me dead for some reason, give your armies to someone else | ||
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On May 22 2010 04:29 Hesmyrr wrote: Jesus Christ. Looks like everything is thrown into the confusion. Let me propose alternative plan that I hope will make everybody happy. 1. We nominate BrownBear to NK Xelin NIGHT 2. Abenson hits Tricode 3. Veg, this should be BrownBear since you said you can NK, hit L. No one protects L. How about this? Sounds good, I think you meant nominate me to DAYKILL XeliN though And yes, I plan to cast my nightkill towards L again. If he doesn't die, though, that means he has more than 1 nightlife, meaning he's a faction leader. | ||
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I am Zhao Yun. I have the power of nightkill ^^ So with all the people who have roleclaimed, I think rather than looking at the people who have roleclaimed and analyzing to see if they're lying, it would be far more interesting to look at the people who HAVEN'T yet roleclaimed. They are: 1. Bill Murray 3. johnnyspazz 4. Radfield 5. Scamp 6. Ohn 7. Falcynn 8. Iaaan 9. L (states he has reasons for not doing so, since his role is a "poison pill") 10. BloodyCobbler 11. MyHeroNoob 15. TwotoneTerran 19. Trezequet23 20. Fishball (pretty sure the Qin Shi Huang roleclaim was a joke )21. Lunardestiny 23. DarthThienAn 24. Jugan This is a (mostly accurate) list of the people who are still alive and have yet to roleclaim. It's far more likely that at least 1 or 2 of the faction leaders are hiding in the majority of people who don't roleclaim, rather than trying to lie and make up both a name, a role for that name, and reasoning behind that role. Honestly? I think at this point in the game, it would be a good idea to have everyone roleclaim, complete with their name. Then, we can focus on the people who either refuse to roleclaim, or make roleclaims that don't really make sense. Also, L, I understand you don't want to roleclaim, but especially with XeliN having claimed a role, that's putting you kinda back in the spotlight. It would be great if you could explain somehow either why your role would be useless if everyone knew about it, or if you could just roleclaim. If I win the dayvote, I will be sure to follow the will of the town, but the will of the town might be falling against you if you continue to be coy with your role. | ||
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On May 22 2010 07:13 Radfield wrote: The real question is if everyone claiming benefits the town. Yeah, it was kind of just an idea I've had floating around in my head for a while... would have been a much better idea to do on day 1, honestly, but oh well. I think the pros outweight the cons, honestly. As it stands, there are at most 6 or 7 people who are faction-ized (depending on how many YT started with), and there's still like 14 people who are "neutral" so if we're going for the neutral victory, we should do this now rather than later. It means faction leaders have to figure out the name of a 3 kingdoms person of note, and hope there's no overlap. If there's overlap, suddenly we have 2 targets, so we lose 0-1 townies to get a faction leader. If people refuse to at least namedrop (possibly roleclaim too, although I'm pretty sure that's not as necessary), then we lynch them - either they're leaders, or they'd probably have been inactive/useless anyway. If, for some reason, everyone namedrops and there's no overlap, and everyone's name checks out, we're honestly no worse off than we were before. We even might have more to go on, depending on if Caller made the roles make sense for the names or not. If we want to do this, though, we have to do it today. The longer we wait, the more neutrals we're gonna lose. | ||
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On May 22 2010 07:16 Falcynn wrote: Alright, I believe you in that case. Not going to change my vote though since I'm not really feeling to safe with L or tricode, but I hope BrownBear will see this and will know not to kill you. Don't worry man, I'm taking note of that fact. If the "town" remains divided and doesn't give me a name, I'll either daykill L or, if he namedrops/roleclaims, go back to the "lets kill inactives" rule. Worked pretty well last time we did it | ||
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On May 22 2010 07:23 Falcynn wrote: Also, if we mass role/name claim, would you guys prefer it if we claimed in the thread? Or in a PM to a specific person? The one benefit of PMing an individual is that the leaders can't see what names are being claimed and are in more danger of overlapping. The primary danger though is that there are no 100% confirmed townies, so we run the risk of a FL possibly being able to weasel themselves out if they end up getting picked as the person to claim to. Hesmyrr was cited by BM as being nearly confirmed towny, and while I would agree, it's due mostly to Hesmyrr's behaviour rather than any hard evidence, which would still make me leery about picking her (is hesmyrr or korynne female? or are they both?) If only we could, man. But sadly, as we don't know who's been recruited (and apparently, people might not even know IF they've been recruited), it's just better to post them in the thread. Worst-case scenario, if some people post waaaay after everyone else does, or posts a really really obscure name, then they'll be more suspicious, at least. Like Radfield said, no downside, potential HUGE upside. | ||
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On May 22 2010 07:34 Radfield wrote: Can someone please explain why Tricode would lie about L being a leader?? All we know is that Hesmyrr blocked all actions on L last night, and Tricode used his rolecheck action on L, then claimed in the thread that he knew L's role, and posted it specifically. So either Hesmyrr is lying, or Tricode is lying. I personally think it is far more likely Tricode is lying, because I also tried to hit L last night (with a KP) and it got blocked, and according to L himself, he already had been hit once, and had it blocked by a medic, so either he had some other form of protection, or he somehow has magic powers. Sorry if that's confusing, let me try to do this chronologically: Unnamed Vig: hits L. Unnamed Medic: protects L, negates that one hit. Hesmyrr: uses his powers on L, prevents any actions from occuring Me, Tricode, Abenson: All use night actions on L, they get blocked. So... there's no way L could have been protected from that many night actions, unless Hesmyrr is telling the truth about his power, and that he used it on L. This would mean Tricode is the liar. | ||
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On May 22 2010 07:47 Radfield wrote: Yeah, presumably he had some KP that was blocked, and made the jump to assuming you had veteran powers-------> must be a faction leader. Not a particularly bad assumption, but a real bad game plan to claim rolecop.... So then, Tricode would be the vig that hit L besides me, then? That would make more sense. Also it would make Tricode an idiot to claim rolecop... Actually, Tricode has stated that if we sic Abenson (can only kill YTs) on him, then he will die. It would make sense for YT to start with a KP, actually... the pieces are all starting to come together. I think Tricode is a Yellow Turban. Not the YT recruiter... but he's more likely than not to be a member. | ||
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On May 22 2010 08:15 Bill Murray wrote: so im supposed to say my character name? Looks like it. You can choose not to, of course, but that's gonna throw a ton of suspicion on you. I recommend you say your name, but not your role. Leaves it pretty ambiguous :D | ||
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On May 22 2010 08:26 Hesmyrr wrote: I'm back. First off, I agree with the idea of mass name-claim. This is exactly what BrownBear suggested we do in day 1, and though there wasn't that much time remaining in the day for this to happen, there are definitely enough time today for us to pull this off. With so many cults, if we are going to pull this victory though we have to pressure recruiters right then, right now. It is true having list of names publicized increases the recruiter's influence as day passes, but if we don't have these recruiters weeded out within early to mid-game, we as a Town are screwed already anyway. Secondly, the vig hit is beneficial because it ensures that vig shot is used in town's benefit instead of having it kill some random neutral. Moreover having both Abenson and BrownBear acting on the night eliminates the possibility of doubt on the ensuing death, since there is no way in hell L could recruit both at the same time to influence their answer (I will in fact be protecting either of these two, so if any recruiters try feel free to join the mindfuck lol). Moreover I asked watcher to watch L, so if anyone drops in to influence the results, we are going to be on top of it. And I love how you keep trying to draw town's attention from the main matter at hand; YT's strength will grow rapidly with increasing days, and would do anything in its power to soak up the lynches. Your lie has been counted perfectly by my roleclaim (which came before yours) and now your argument boils down to how "L will weasle his way out of lynch tomorrow" while any logical player would realize if that you TRULY were genuine in your claim my plan ensures there are no escape route L can take. Exactly. I would say that, unless we get 1 or 2 more recruiters soon, the metagame is going to switch somewhere around day 4 from "neutrals vs. factions" to "factions vs. factions, with neutrals as the pawns." Also, since Abenson can only kill YT players, apparently, we would want to have him target people we think are Yellow Turbans? Or does he just have a straight nightkill that got blocked by you? Either way, my plan is to hit L tonight. And it looks like I'm going to be winning the dayvote, I think, so now is the time for people to start posting who they want me to kill. Right now, I'm assuming it's Tricode, since that will tell us a lot about L, and whether he's lying or not, but if people (besides Tricode, you don't get to have a say anymore) have a convincing argument for someone else I'm listening. | ||
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That would mean either Caller fucked up, or rolecop check goes through Hesmyrr's block, or Hesmyrr himself is lying. Basically, it's a whole 'nother clusterfuck I really don't want to have to get into unless it's absolutely necessary Also, be aware that there are still 10 people yet to vote. | ||
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On May 22 2010 08:46 Radfield wrote: Also, when Last Romantic died, we got his name and alignment, but not his powers. We only found out about his veteran ability from LR's death post. So don't plan on learning anything about people roles when they die Yeah, you posted that while I was typing, saw it after I posted >< So, to shut Tricode up, I'm also going to say this: I am planning to hit L tonight. If he is a faction leader, though, he has two lives, so I think to be completely safe about this, anyone else who has nightkilling powers should also target L tonight. This way, we ensure he dies, and what he flips as tells us important information. If he lives through the night, that tells us nothing and we've wasted another day. Therefore, if you have a nightkill and are reading this, PLEASE target L with it. | ||
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On May 22 2010 08:55 Hesmyrr wrote: SHOCKING DEVELOPMENT!! Caller Screws Up Again! (really) Watcher just contacted me. He said that Caller just messaged him, telling him he screwed up and forgot to tell him until now that DarthThienan also visited Radfield along with Xelin. Exactly 25 minutes ago DarthThienAn actually PM'd me asking "who visited radfield?" so I think his statement is legit. Looks like L wasn't the only one who was popular last night >.> Oh snap. What does this say about DarthThienAn, now? He was the only person who voted for L during the earlier "hey let's kill L cause Tricode rolechecked him" bandwagon before that one got blown to shit. See, I knew that Radfield would get visited a bunch after being so successful on day one. Called it. Fucking called it ^^ | ||
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On May 22 2010 09:01 Hesmyrr wrote: Radfield admitted it immediately on the open though- pretty suicidal move if DarthThienAn really was recruiter. Of course, it could all be advanced WIFOM... This game is just so nuts at this point anyway, honestly anything is possible. that list of people who haven't namedropped should be a good list to start with though, after this whole Tricode-L thing is cleared up. Again, to everyone who cares, as of right now I'm choosing to hit Tricode if I win the day vote. If you want it to be otherwise, and your name isn't Tricode, please speak up sooner rather than later. | ||
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SO. As it stands, this is the list I'm looking at right now. On May 22 2010 09:01 Radfield wrote: OK, people who haven't name claimed: 3. johnnyspazz **SCAMP HAS NAMECLAIMED** 6. Ohn 8. Iaaan 10. BloodyCobbler (his absence from all of this is actually kinda confusing) 11. MyHeroNoob 20. Fishball (as is his) 24. Jugan BrownBear's additions: DarthThienAn: for being annoying and trolling the thread, plus as far as I can see he hasn't seriously nameclaimed yet. Tricode: Unlikely, given people want to let him live, but as long as at least one person wants to kill him, he'll remain on here. Thoughts? | ||
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There you are! Nameclaim pls? | ||
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On May 22 2010 10:32 LunarDestiny wrote: Wow, Fishball got a baller roll. If that is true, we should give Fishball our army everyday after we do a rolecheck on him to confirm it. That wastes a rolecheck every single night = not a good idea. I'm more curious as to how the escape-recruitment power works: is it a one-shot deal, or does it mean you dodge one recruitment every night? | ||
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If my guess turns out to be true, then yeah, we got a permaneutral | ||
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On May 22 2010 10:40 Fishball wrote: I can be recruited, but I get to escape the next cycle if I wanted. Uses, of course, is limited, so no, I'm not perma-neutral. Damn, lol. Too much to hope for I suppose Still, quite a nice role, and a decent deterrent to recruitment. | ||
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Also, unless we've got a daykill target for sure tomorrow, I'll throw up a poll sometime a few hours before the day ends, and go off that. That cool with everyone? Peace, guys ^^ | ||
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On May 22 2010 11:16 johnnyspazz wrote: okaay sooo i don't have access to a computer for like a day and jesus christ the thread doubles??? can someone give me a heads up on what i should know? Alright, one more post. Dammit, I'm addicted tot his game Here's what happened, roughly: Tricode claims he rolechecked L, and saw that L has recruitment powers A lot of people jump on this bandwagon Hesmyrr then counters, with evidence. He can block anything from happening to one person at night, including rolechecks. He proves himself trustworthy. The town gets very pissed at Tricode, because Tricode has now lied, making him very scummy. Decisions get made. One is that I will handle today's daykill, so vote for me, and argue for who you want to kill. The other decision (something we should have done the first day), is that everyone MUST post their name in the thread. They can post their role if they wish, but if they feel uncomfortable doing so, just a name will suffice. This is to root out the faction leaders, as they will have to lie about their name, and stand a chance of getting caught. Them's the basics. Everything else is basically debate (you should read the entire thing, though, because this is a VERY basic overview and you'll miss out on a lot of stuff). So, to throw suspicion off yourself, do these things! 1. Read the entire thread 2. Post at least your name, and your role if you feel comfortable doing so (if you do not, that's totally cool and doesn't cast suspicion on you). 3. Do some analysis! Post who you think is likely to be a faction leader. Our goal is to kill another with the dayvote if at all possible. 4. If you agree with me handling the dayvote, vote for me in the vote thread. If you don't, vote for someone else, and state the reason why. | ||
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See you all in about 12 hours! | ||
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Medic Protects L Another unknown vig and myself both hit L. the medic protects one of those hits, leaving him with one nightlife. Abenson hits L, but L is not YT, so it does nothing Tricode rolechecks, actually sees everything. Hesmyrr wasn't involved at all (damn, that was a really lucky sequence of events for you) | ||
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Trezguet, can you weigh in here? If you say "naw, this is a lie" then L's coffin is sealed. | ||
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Also, Everyone listen up: IF YOU HAVE MEDIC OR ROLEBLOCKING POWERS, DO NOT USE THEM ON ANY OF THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE CLAIMED THE SAME NAME. That means, Fishball, MyHeroNoob, DarthThienAn, or TwoToneTerran. Anything that will prevent us people with nightactions from using our night actions on them is BAD. We need this information by tomorrow to continue our streak. Also, I'll say it now, and say it again later if Caller decides to make me, since I think I've won the dayvote pretty much: ##Kill: L Peace out, Scum Quan | ||
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On May 23 2010 05:06 L wrote: There are 2 assassins. 1 is known. XeliN's probably going to be hit tonight so he's kinda forced to block brownbear, which means there's probably 1 left. He'll probably shoot cao pi. YT is probably going to recruit abenson, liu bei i have no idea. So no, you're probably going to survive unless you do something dumb like target lu bu. I'm not gonna shoot XeliN tonight. | ||
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What I expected too. Ah well. Not like it matters at this point | ||
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I am so confused. But let's talk more about the night: On May 24 2010 01:06 Radfield wrote: Ok, here's tonights game plan. Don't follow my plan just because I say so. Follow the plan because it makes sense from a neutral point of view. I had hoped to lay all this out via PM's with people, so that it makes it more difficult for players to dodge, but I'm not sure if that's going to work or not. Our assets: Role Checker(Tricode), Role Blocker(Xelin), Vigilante(Brownbear), YT Killer(Abenson), Watcher(unknown). There is also an Alignment checker out there who is in PM contact with me, and I will be getting a random ability tonight as well, hopefully with investigative or NK powers. So, we want to clean up the five main targets at the moment: Iaaan and Trez, myheronoob and Fishball, and Ohn. It's possible Ohn may still post his role and become more active. Honestly, now that it comes to it, I'd rather not say the actions I recommend in the thread, so that we can't get screwed over too bad by medics/roleblockers. I've PMed all of these people who my suggestions though. if everyone really thinks this should be public info though we can discuss it here. Gotta go, more later. What Radfield said basically covers it. I'm planning to deal with MyHeroNoob tonight, so I guess if you have a night action, pick someone else. Tonight, one of two things will happen re: recruitment - BEST CASE: Both faction leaders visit the same person, nobody is recruited WORST CASE: Two people are recruited. Ideally, we might be able to either hit one faction leader tonight, or discover one faction leader tonight, so tomorrow we can daykill another, meaning at least 1 person goes down with them. Hopefully we can nail Yellow (we kinda forgot about the whole "lets target YT first" thing lol). I will post more later, gotta do some unpacking stuff. | ||
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On May 24 2010 23:29 DarthThienAn wrote: Wow that was pretty fail. too bad we can't edit. anyway. + Show Spoiler + "I was fishing" "We need people to nameclaim..." etc "I intentionally name and roleclaimed ahead of time to Radfield, then BB, so that when the time came, they could clear my name." @Xelin: " I'll claim for real this time: I am Zhou Jie Lun + Xiao Yu at the same time o.o o.o I'm Zhou Yu. I look really good and I'm great at music. And I'm really jealous of Radfield and am destined to die. Says Wikipedia anyway. " "I didn't really care who I brought out. We need names, no? Even now, we still don't know Ohn's name. I was luring out the lurkers who hadn't given their names. I figured Ma Chao would be in the game, and went with it. I claimed to both Radfield and BrownBear, who are, as far as I'm concerned, two of the town's most trustworthy people right now (or else I wouldn't have claimed to them). My plan was never meant to be game-altering. Just trying to get a little bit more information out there for the town." " Radfield doesn't suspect me because he already knew who I was (Zhou Yu) 2-3 days ago, beginning of day 2-ish. The more people that give the names, the less people on the list of suspects. I thought Ma Chao was likely to be in the game. " "Basically, the reason in what I did is pretty simple and obvious. ... And the whole "dropping hints" thing that I did doesn't really matter. I was just having fun trolling." "Again, my thought process: "Hey let's bait someone into nameclaiming" -> find name -> claim name -> done. I didn't think someone would be so direct as to say "I'M MA CHAO" I thought they would be more like, "KILL DARTH" but a straight up confession works too." "I never claimed that I was doing extensive research on the game's characters. I've only said that everything I know comes from Wikipedia - that's not saying "I know everything about Three Kingdoms."" @whoever said I was pushing for the other double claims: "Anyway, that's not important. Night actions: deal with Ohn, Fishball/MyHeroNoob, and Trez/Iaaan. How shall we go about this?" I did so after explaining myself several times, so that's hardly "dodging" my situation. "Reason? I told you my reason. It wasn't a great reason, but I don't think it was a bad one, or one that hurt the town in any way, unless you keep trying to over-analyze it. ... How have I come up with nothing? I provided my reasoning - you just won't accept it." "To bait someone into nameclaiming." " Look at it from my perspective. I've explained myself over and over to Scamp, giving him the same reason every time as to why I did what I did. Any further discussion on it, unless someone has something new to ask me, is a waste of time to the town. Which is which I "tried to push the focus on the other two claim incidents." We need(ed?) to cover all of the bases regarding night actions to make sure we get the most information we can out of tonight and confirm who's lying, etc. " tl;dr version: I did my fake claim to draw out another player's name. Simple as that. I chose a fairly random name, but one I thought would be in the game, based on what I knew from Wikipedia - which wasn't much. Credentials? Radfield already said I claimed to him beforehand - BrownBear hasn't said anything but he hasn't been active lately since he's been moving home from college. Maybe you should PM him to do so if it's that big of a deal to you. Officially: I am Zhou Yu. I'm not going to roleclaim at this point, because that's retarded and I don't need to. Enough people know my role that we can make use of it. Can we move on now? Or is there something else you want me to explain? Ask me directly, now, or else shut up and focus on the matter at hand, instead of going in circles with me. Quick post to back Darth up on this. He roleclaimed to me as well, and I have no reason to distrust him. | ||
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BrownBear
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I attempted to switch to Jugan, because dude hasn't been active at all and all the other doubleclaims are being taken care of. However, it might not have been in time. We'll see. | ||
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BrownBear
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Bahahahahhaahaha. Tricode's either the best liar ever or the luckiest person ever. I'm leaning towards the latter. Shall we all hand our armies off to Tricode and have him daykill Trez, for reals this time? That's what I'm doing, at least for now. | ||
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I need to stop skipping all the one-line posts. | ||
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On May 25 2010 11:19 Trezeguet23 wrote: Caller told him that he is YT, caller didn't tell me that the recruitment worked, Tricode got too big a boner and shot his load in the thread because he couldn't hold it in. So you are the YT leader, then? | ||
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On May 25 2010 11:25 DarthThienAn wrote: ebwop: did i just get ninja'd? lolol. Yep > Also, Abenson, you're pretty useless from here on out. Sorry, bro. | ||
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I'm still confused, though. How do we know both Scamp and Trez are YT? And how do we know Scamp is leader and not Trez? | ||
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So Scamp must be leader, then, I guess. If it fails, we just kill Trez anyway. | ||
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I guess that means he dies with the daykill, then. | ||
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On May 25 2010 19:59 Bill Murray wrote: THERE ARE 3 YT AT THE START 1 LEADER 2 BROTHERS THEY RECRUIT 2 PER NIGHT LEADER PICKS 1 PLAYER 2 BROTHERS + RECRUITS THEY TRUST VOTE ON 2ND PLAYER BROTHERS = 2 NIGHT LIVES Though he came back with 2 night lives and the ability to recruit (through voting), killing Trez will be a mistake in that it will not set them back as much as you think. Lets do the math on this following your plan: 16 people left. 1 brother, 1 yt leader + 2 recruits next night = 4 people 1 green leader + bodyguard(abenson?) + night 1 night 2 night 3 recruits = 5 people 7 townies then the next night = 4 townies, 6 green, 6 YT The "neutral victory" is still very fucking far away The YT are at a disadvantage, and the town needs to protect them, as they can't afford to recruit the green leader. If that happens, the town has surely lost. There has been WAY too much focus on the YT this turn. It would be much more beneficial to hunt who is the 3rd faction leader (likely BC), or the actual YT leader (i repeat it is NOT trez, he is a brother) I'm sorry, I have such a hard time believing that YT would be this overpowered. 2 recruits per night? 2 night lives per YT? That's ridiculous. I think we should turn your LaL logic right back on you. After we kill Trez, of course. KILL TREZGUET. I DONT CARE IF ITS FISHBALL OR RADFIELD WHO DOES IT. | ||
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On May 26 2010 14:30 Tricode wrote: He is worried that the 2 night lives might take in affect for his hit ability. Which would be making his hit a pointless cause he Trez wont die, but if you lynched Trez that is a guarantee death and there is no taking a chance with it. Ok, that makes sense to me. Sorry BM. I don't know what to believe anymore. You've contradicted yourself so many times. | ||
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BrownBear
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There is a benefit of not PMing recruits, though - about half of the people recruited have blabbed about it in the thread, and several of them are getting their faction leaders killed, following Hesmyrr's example. So it makes more sense that BM might be YT, but not know about it. | ||
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On May 27 2010 03:52 Scamp wrote: This is DELICIOUS! This... is... CAKETOWN!!! | ||
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BrownBear
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I'm a vigilante. Plus, I have the power to kill anyone who visits me (but their night action still applies). | ||
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Of those three: Fishball will not nameclaim, and appeared to have the trust of everyone yesterday, when we got him to lynch Trez... but the lack of nameclaim is odd. BC has that night action, and we lost Tricode so we can't check what it is. I think it's time for him to either claim it quickly, or face some pretty immediate consequences. Scamp confuses me. He hasn't done anything overly scummy, but he hasn't proven his innocence yet at all. And on a list this short, that's pretty damn scummy. As much as I want to kill BM for making this thread a shitshow, we should focus on these three first. I'll post much more detailed analysis later this night cycle, but right now I do not have time. | ||
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Wooooo. Now that we've won, time to erect a fucking statue in hesmyrr's honor. He was the first to decide to sacrifice himself for the neutrals, and he got the ball rolling and actually made us a coherent faction instead of a bunch of guys saying "hey lets kill faction leaders lol." GJ everyone. We did it. | ||
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BrownBear
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Still waiting on that official role list... | ||
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