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On April 25 2010 10:17 Abenson wrote:
Alright, I would like to propose a policy: LAL
What does it mean?
Lynch All Liars
This policy is proposed with the mindset that townies have nothing to hide, and that the mafia are the one that needs to conceal something.
Your thoughts?
i think this is generally a good idea but it can't be applied for all cases. blues roles sometimes need to lie to protect themselves. we could easily lynch a detective or medic cause they lied so that mafia wouldn't hit them at night.
lets get the ball rolling in this game.
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FREEAGLELAND26781 Posts
This game does not count toward Abenson's ban.
Also: Bill you could sign Chezinu up for an alternate spot.
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chezinu can join, i'll give him a 3rd party role
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On April 25 2010 10:17 Abenson wrote:
Alright, I would like to propose a policy: LAL
What does it mean?
Lynch All Liars
This policy is proposed with the mindset that townies have nothing to hide, and that the mafia are the one that needs to conceal something.
Your thoughts?
How are you even supposed to catch someone in a lie until AFTER you lynch them or get them DT checked? When are you actually going to expect a DT/Medic to publicly claim in this game? And even if Mafia were to claim DT, they have a good chance of getting away with it by picking townies at random to "check."
Vote: Abenson
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3 players need to confirm in the thread still
XeliN
[NyC]Hobbes
RebirthofLegend
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sorry, confirm. I will catch up in a bit.
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Yeah Cresntia, I am inclined to agree. The LAL policy is implied in each game, if you can strait prove someone is lying then you lynch them. 9/10 its a mafia incentive to lie, however proving that in a game with no PMing is nearly impossible.
It seems like you are aiming for activity/discussion so I won't write you off immediately, but please don't fucking go inactive again, activity is so important in an 11 person setup, every person matters role or not.
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however proving that in a game with no PMing is nearly impossible.
I don't mind players pming.
PM away
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confirm, was going to post earlier but ended up going out and getting pretty wasted so going to lay down drink water and watch house until the desire to move hits me. I'll post properly later on mainly wanted to confirm.
I personally think LaL is not great neccesarily as it is strategically limiting although I can't see it being overly applicable this game given the set up//ups.
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Radfield
Canada2720 Posts
On April 25 2010 10:17 Abenson wrote:
Alright, I would like to propose a policy: LAL
What does it mean?
Lynch All Liars
This policy is proposed with the mindset that townies have nothing to hide, and that the mafia are the one that needs to conceal something.
Your thoughts?
This seems to me to be quite obvious in this set-up. We might not even have any power roles at all, so the only people who would be lying are the mafia.
On April 25 2010 11:24 johnnyspazz wrote:Show nested quote +On April 25 2010 10:17 Abenson wrote:
Alright, I would like to propose a policy: LAL
What does it mean?
Lynch All Liars
This policy is proposed with the mindset that townies have nothing to hide, and that the mafia are the one that needs to conceal something.
Your thoughts? i think this is generally a good idea but it can't be applied for all cases. blues roles sometimes need to lie to protect themselves. we could easily lynch a detective or medic cause they lied so that mafia wouldn't hit them at night. lets get the ball rolling in this game.
I don't think the detective has any reason to lie either. With no godfather in this game, the detective can be certain of every rolecheck. As the detective finds more and more townies, he or she can bring them on board with PM's. The DT would let each of the confirmed townies know who the other confirmed townies are, so that in the event of the DT getting killed, the info is still out there.
One danger here is that the mafia could fake being the DT, but it should become obvious eventually given that they will likely stumble upon another Medic or DT and screw themselves. Or just that they fail to ever find any mafia, so we lynch them, and either end up with a dead mafia, or a dead dt + a list of confirmed townies.
Obviously if the DT finds the medic(assuming we have both[25% chance]) then we know for sure our DT is legit. The medic can simply protect the DT for the rest of the game, and the DT can let other confirmed townies know who the medic is, so that if the medic dies, all the confirmed townies will know the dt is legit. Is that making sense?
This is the first game I've played with PM's, so these things may be obvious to some people but I'm still thinking them through. Without a dt I'm not sure how much good PM's do us, as there is no way to verify anyone.
Also,
Abenson, can you give me an example where LAL has a practical application in this setup, yet isn't completely obvious.
Johnnyspazz, can you give me an example where in this setup one of our blue roles would have a reason to lie to avoid getting hit by mafia, and possibly get caught in that lie.
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Lynch all Liars seems to be the best policy to me. Has the game officially started yet, or are we just kinda talking while waiting here?
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On April 25 2010 17:31 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
Yeah Cresntia, I am inclined to agree. The LAL policy is implied in each game, if you can strait prove someone is lying then you lynch them. 9/10 its a mafia incentive to lie, however proving that in a game with no PMing is nearly impossible.
It seems like you are aiming for activity/discussion so I won't write you off immediately, but please don't fucking go inactive again, activity is so important in an 11 person setup, every person matters role or not.
I am aiming for activity/discussion; I wouldn't have signed up for this game otherwise. Also, I'm sick and thus I have a good amount of free time in the next few days. Also, this time there's no Italian internet to screw me over.
On April 26 2010 02:17 BrownBear wrote:
Lynch all Liars seems to be the best policy to me. Has the game officially started yet, or are we just kinda talking while waiting here?
The game has started. Bill didn't put up a fancy Day 1 post, so... *shrug*. All we need now is [nyc]hobbes to chime in.
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Am confirming, sorry, wasnt home all day yesterday.
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crescentia is your vote on Abenson serious and because you actually suspect he might be mafia because of his suggestion or more like a placeholder for now?
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Canada990 Posts
Radfield that sounds great and all but here are the 4 possible scenerios:
#1 Detective + Medic, in which case the strategy would work very nicely
#2 Townies... in which case we all sit around and wait to die because there's no DT?
#3 There is a detective, but that can never be confirmed because the mafia can counterclaim detective.
#4 There is a medic... in which case we're all sitting around again, but at least the mafia can't pretend to be detective easily (someone asks DT to rolecheck them, mafia wouldn't know if they are medic or townie).
So in any case, I've never played a PM-allowed mafia game before, what exactly do the rest of us do while the detective is collecting his circle of townies?
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Alright, for example...
A guy role claims DT
What do we do?
We can:
A) Blindly follow him and lynch whoever he claims is scum?
Lynching whoever
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OMG I tried to indent by pressing tab... and then pressed enter by accident...
Ignore that post :O
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Alright, for example...
A guy role claims DT and claims he has found a scum
We lynch whoever he claimed is scum, and he is a townie
What do we do?
We can:
A) Lynch him
This is because we assume that if he is townie he has no reason to lie to us.
B)Not lynch him
Why? He may be just a stupid townie that thought the person he claimed was scum really was scum. He may be trying to convince the town that the guy is scum by claiming DT
This example is really vague, but I'm just trying to simulate a situation.
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On April 25 2010 18:11 Bill Murray wrote:
I don't mind players pming.
PM away
Detective, you are the player with the most power in the game (if you exist, of course)
With the ability to PM and rolecheck, you can essentially form a mason, "inviting" a player into your group daily.
If you do find a scum during your rolecheck, it is suggested that you form a small group of townies that trust you so that you can kill the scum if the other half of the town doesn't believe you. Basically, don't role claim early
If you find yourself a medic, all the better.
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On April 25 2010 13:41 d3_crescentia wrote:
Vote: Abenson
Is this a serious vote? :O
I usually randomly vote just for the hell of it at the start of a game... So I'll just ask you, do you actually think I'm scum? :D
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