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On March 21 2010 11:25 Iaaan wrote: I think it would be hilarious if you host a game where there secretly aren't any mafia at all (: this. someone keep it in mind for future games. and just have the mod RNG kills during the night. or something else.. something to stop the town from knowing there's no mafia after the first night. would be a game to go down in history for sure. =) | ||
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Once a majority of the players in the game vote on a person that player will be killed as soon as I notice the lynching vote. However, since no one can be lynched until any nukes have landed you will have a chance to change votes before it strikes. say 20 players, once 11 have casted their vote for person X, X will get lynched no matter what? how does vote changing factor into this then and nukes landing? also You can only launch nukes once per day, BUT you may launch nukes AND retaliate to a nuclear strike if you have enough missiles left. what's the difference between retal and launch nukes/missiles? do you retal by launching your nuke at their nuke or at them? or what confusionnnnnnnnn ;p im assuming nukes and lynches aren't the same thing right? i.e. a nuke is like a day vigi? | ||
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one person can have at most one nuke in the air at once (assuming they have nuking capabilities at all) unless someone is also nuking them, in which case they can have extra nukes flying around but only aimed at those nuking them (OMGUS nukes? lol) does radiation go down over time at all, or is it just a flat once X nukes have landed, gg? i have trouble thinking of daykills as nukes because i can't imagine a veteran or medic in this game lol "yeah you nuked me but i have this helmet/firstaid kit so fuck you try again" >.< but yeah im in  | ||
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On March 22 2010 02:30 Elemenope wrote: playing and nuking JeeJee first because JeeJee is JeeJee as JeeJee is JeeJee wat. | ||
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On March 22 2010 02:51 Caller wrote: yo dawg i heard you like jeejee so we put jeejee in yo mafia game so you can gg JeeJee while he jeejees because he's jeejee and therefore shinbi HOT_BID WHAT HAVE YOU DONE?! | ||
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nvm yes you can must've missed that in the op | ||
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anyway, i think obviously if anyone launches a nuke without consensus, they should be dead. but i disagree with the counter-nuking plans proposed so far. we shouldn't be so triggerhappy. i would save our nukes for end-game if we need the extra daytime kp, plus i don't want to risk some bullshit ToD loss. here's my plan. we adopt a strictly no nuking policy for now. anyone who nukes gets majority voted right away. as soon as their nuke lands, they pop, and we get 2 pieces of info (nuker and nukee's alignments). no bullshit nuke/anti-nuke wasting. no bullshit tod losses. say no to nukes. this policy should be good for the first couple of days. after that hopefully we'll know wtf is going on and decide then. i don't see ANY benefits to early nukes. | ||
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On March 24 2010 00:55 Caller wrote: Well guys, in case nobody noticed, before we can lynch anybody, a nuke has to be launched, or day won’t end. Seeing as how nobody else has been an obvious target, I propose that we "nuke" L this turn around. As town, we need more information, and the best way of getting information is by killing a few people. For instance, we don’t have any idea what possible roles there are, aside from our own. More importantly, he won’t be able to contribute to town for a good 40 or so hours. By which, of course, the day would have ended, timewise, unless we nuke somebody to postpone it another 24 hours. And if necessary, we can always delay the day by nuking someone that’s already being nuked, or somebody without any nukes can launch a “nuke” to prolong the day. In fact, the best way to go about this is for somebody without any actual nukes to nuke L. This will postpone the day and give us a lynch without raising ToD or killing L in the event he is town. Since a nuke has to go off to progress the day at all, a fake nuke at this point would be the best. We should save our real nukes for when we need them. No, we don't have to nuke anyone so that we can lynch. we can also end day without nukes (in fact that is the only way we can end day -- there must be no nukes in the air). don't be so triggerhappy, we should adopt a no nuke policy for now, unless someone can point out any benefits gained by using nukes early? because i don't see any. | ||
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1) get majority to vote for the nuker tbh, i don't see this as a problem. Remember, nukes are not daytime vigis, they are quite distinct. most importantly is the fact that they are delayed by 24 hours. We have 24 hours to pull a majority, and if people don't show up within 24hr they are getting modkilled anyway. The other concern is people simply *not* voting for the nuker. My question is, why would anyone do that? if it's an agreed upon plan, anyone not following it=anti-town=dead. there might be those that just disagree, but i've yet to see a coherent argument as to why it is bad to kill someone that nukes without consensus, and i don't think i'll see one anytime soon 2) more than one nuker during the day ok this is a problem. however, the upside to this situation is, unless the nukes are launched simultaenously, we can wait for the result of one of the nukes and decide who to lynch. however, we still have to deal with the other nuker (assuming there were 2). i don't know what the best way to go about this is.. all i know is that we want both nukers to die without causing some bullshit tod. here are my ideas: 2i) lynch the second nuker on the day after. unfortunately if there's doubt about even performing one town lynch, i doubt this will work. 2ii) if possible have one of the nukee's counternuke the nuker, and we lynch the other one. that way they both flip on the same day (unfortunately this means more nukes in the air) 2iii) something with anti-nukes? like anti-nuke one, lynch other. i think regardless, we can all agree that people that nuke without consensus should be dead. and the best way to do this without bullshit tod is to lynch them. i don't think the majority is a big deal, and multi-nukers during one day is an issue for the counter-nuke plan too because of tod. so. lynch all nukers? | ||
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whatsa matter, don't want people reading the lynch all nukers plan? i want your input/agreement on it (i guess it is same as zona's now as he has amended his to revenge-lynch the first nuker instead of revenge-nuke) talk, haster. | ||
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On March 24 2010 04:07 ~OpZ~ wrote: I will respond to Elemenope's post in a moment, for whoever asked me to...Xelin voting for me made me want to respond. You didn't respond to anything about my post. You just read my post and says he's trying to claim town. Now Xelin, I hate to tell you this, but your instinct is wrong. Also, your lynch idea as being the perfect retaliation to nuking? Wrong. Let's look at this set up. 22 players. We don't know how many night kills, the number of mafia, if mafia have special roles/nukes. Now, if mafia had an ass load of nukes, it's already certain that we would have a very big problem. I don't think they will have all too many nukes, and firing a nuke is a huge problem. I made an effort to outline a basic idea, and state we shouldn't just jump the gun on lynching. I also said I will not be forced around or follow a bandwagon. Only time I ever really bandwagoned was as mafia. I usually vote against the consensus, as last game when I voted you over BM. Bandwagoning in this game is especially frightening because the days end after a majority, not on a set schedule. I intend to use what power I have to stop this from occurring. Bandwagons are costly in this game. Everyone needs to post how they feel, not just vote. We need to agree on a larger scale I feel before beginning. Also, as for my change of play, the rules are TOTALLY different then most other games. We have nukes, we have a majority lynch that can occur the INSTANT a majority is reached. This means we have to think. Also, check it, Fishball done laid into me last game. interesting both you and caller have a knack for not reading the rules. mafia have 1kp per night, it is pretty clear in the op Mafia have night kills just like in normal games. Mafia can kill 1 player per night no matter how many of them are alive. so you say that lynching all nukers is wrong. then you say "look at the setup" but provide no concrete evidence as to what is wrong with it. so, i'm asking you, What is wrong with the lynch all nukers plan? | ||
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amber[light] tree.hugger abenson fishball RoL versatile Caller - 0 Opz - 4 meeple elemenope nikon infundi Nemy - 1 johnnyspazz2 Abenson - 4 iaaan zona3 haster27 Xelin Phrujbz - 1 opz Bill murray - 1 caller2 Haven't voted - 5 L d3_crescentia jeejee bill murray nemy this look right? and for fuck's sake, use ## tags. i'm looking at you xelin | ||
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i think everyone voting for L is full of shit. especially people like verse who keep bringing up "oh he's gone for two days lynch!1 he's useless" as if real days and game days are the same thing. HE WILL BE BACK DURING NIGHT ONE. possibly even day one (although i hope not) as for me, i'll vote abenson but i should be around up until 2 hours before voting closes (in about 14 hours?) so i may change this. my reasoning is quite simple -- he's a lurker that votes for L. Voting for L is stupid, and lurking is never good. So, ##Vote Abenson Updated Vote List L - 6 amber[light] tree.hugger abenson fishball RoL versatile Caller - 0 Opz - 4 meeple elemenope nikon infundi Nemy - 0 Abenson - 6 iaaan zona3 haster27 Xelin jeejee johnnyspazz3 Phrujbz - 1 opz Bill murray - 1 caller2 Haven't voted - 4 L d3_crescentia bill murray nemy | ||
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On March 25 2010 05:20 Abenson wrote: Hooray I'm back and I basically find that I'm gonna end up dying if I don’t post anything soon :O Anyways, I think I have proven myself quite active in the past few games, even if the post are all first few hours huh. or maybe we could look at your history instead so, when the game started, you post /confirm then 18 hours later you make a one-liner post, voting for L (we all know how i feel about that) now 24 hours later (that's 42 in total for those keeping track) you come out with this. For you to sway people's votes, you'd have to at least come out of lurking, name some suspects, analyze the plans, give us content. you've had almost two full days to do this. that's a tad more than "first few hours". hell, L is almost unbanned by now. | ||
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what did he do? | ||
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ok i'm still reading, for now i will ##vote:RoL i would like to point out for now that we have 9 votes on RoL, and a tad under 5 hours left. | ||
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this mason situation is interesting. i hope abenson is at least active behind the scenes with opz as otherwise they are just throwing this away. masons are a huge buff to the town (well, well-played masons are), and unless ace did something hilarious like make them all siblings too (i wouldn't put it past him lolol), i'm feeling a bit more confident. elemenope does have a point that of course they are not confirmed, but that's not relevant atm. what IS relevant is we know they're on the same team. how many mafia do you think there are? losing two has got to be brutal. anyway i agree with voting for deliberately inactive people like rol. hell, he even READ THE POSTS of people that voted for him and all he had to say is "you are insane". you have to put in more effort than that, man, it's been two full days. i will keep my vote on him for now. -- ok so i f5'd the thread before posting and saw your latest post RoL zona contributing nothing? means a lot, coming from a poster who only posted three one-liners up until he's on the chopping block. actually zona has created plans, bounced off ideas, driven discussion. if everyone would do this, we would be in much better shape. conversely, if everyone would do what YOU do (nothing), we'd be screwed. i am still happy with you as the candidate for day one. feel free to convince me otherwise, i will be here. | ||
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we have our first nuke (from rol, big surprise) our plan is to get him lynched as part of our revenge-lynch protocol ...which is what we were doing anyway so yeah. go vote for the dumbass. | ||
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read the fucking rules day cannot end when a nuke is in the air. therefore you can't die before caller. | ||
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you don't expect us to get majority lynches? really? we were going to get majority on abenson until opz came around, then we were going to get majority on you. this is the reason you launched the nuke, remember? our goal is to rain death? since when? we are here to kill mafia. maybe if you're some fucked up 3rd party, then your goal may be to rain death. as long as you're putting words in zona's mouth with percentages, is this what you imply here? i really hate people like you. the triggerhappy idiots are the reason we lost the everyone-with-a-gun game. which we had given to us on a silver platter after iaaan and sidesprang. btw, i really question meeple for voting for someone else. the revenge-lynch plan didn't come out of nowhere. it was a combined effort of zona and myself (among others) spread over several pages of discussion. the plan has a purpose. wb L. happs you're alive? xD i was thinking about organized roleclaims but we don't know what roles there are at all. people can claim the most random ass shit (i'm a hooker lolsup) and get away with it, because hey, ace is the one hosting  | ||
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let's think about what this means. first of all our revenge-lynch plan goes out the window, meaning anyone can go wild with nukes with no fear of repercussions. we'll have a repeat of the everyone-has-a-gun game where we didn't punish malongo -- an action which was followed by a shitstorm then town loss. but moreover and by far more important, is that WE DONT KNOW WHEN/IF AN ANTI NUKE IS FIRED. that means we can end up with NO information going into night 1. i'm sure L will come around and start some bandwagons anyway, but we will have no history. ideally i would have the nuke land and rol die simultaneously. as someone pointed out, caller hasn't been helping us anyway (his biggest help so far was being the target of this nuke which brought about all this discussion), so i don't mind him dying. rol, well, he just gave a giant finger to the town by launching his nuke and his "lol oops didn't read rules" excuse, so.. =/ | ||
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On March 26 2010 05:06 Amber[LighT] wrote: I always thought Versatile was a girl... I know we have a couple wimins playing in mafia games, notably some of the mods' girlfriends. this just in blacks cant be women | ||
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god i thought having lynched RoL, we would prevent the stupidity of people like tree.hugger. i don't understand >.< guys. say no to nukes. have we all forgotten about ToD? this is the crucial difference between this game and the previous everyone-has-a-gun game. i was expecting one triggerhappy idiot, but after getting lynched so hard i figured nobody else would step up to the plate. yes it's great that you provide your reasoning for nuking but DO SO BEFORE YOU NUKE. and if a sizable amount of people agree with you, proceed. sure it's a little bit of a hassle but it prevents shit like this at this rate the game might be over day 1 and nobody wins. or some 3rd party laughs their ass off. don't you guys see this? stop fucking nuking people. i'll go to sleep and post back in about 9-10 hours when i get to work. L, you are planning to extend the day further? it is good to have more discussion but it also gives more idiots the opportunity to go "hey this fag's a fag! nuke:fag" so keep that in mind when you decide. | ||
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we have to rely on the masons to play with each other and figure shit out. remember in some mafia games masons have abilities to recruit a player into their circle once per night. this may very well be the case here, and as long as they don't fuck up and recruit someone questionable, the townie circle can grow in that way. of course that is an assumption similar to yours, but the difference is, i believe it holds weight. | ||
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if we keep launching three nukes per day (hell, this day isn't even over yet), i'm gonna be pissed. | ||
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##launchEnchantedNuke:flamewheel91 but seriously, posts like that can affect the game dude. some idiot can read them and go "OH OK!!!" and launch a nuke. well i bet if someone were to do that they would've launched a nuke anyway but who knows, right? i'd rather not egg them on. anyway, i would like to draw attention to meeple. how are you doing buddy? what do you think about this situation, what are your suspicions, what's your suggested course of action? you haven't posted in a while so i hope you can contribute Thanks! -Shinbi | ||
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now, i'm going to do this for johnnyspazz. -supports anti-nuking & lynching rogue nukers -vote's L cos of day 1, but switches to nemy, and defends L later. then switches to abenson, then RoL due to opz coming in with "lol we're masons" -against abstaining, wants more info for town -a little abenson vs johnyspazz thing pops up (re defending L/voteswitching mostly) -fos's xelin -a little meeple vs johnyspazz pops up (re voteswitching mostly) -a little ad hominem between him and opz **now gets targetted by rol** -claims he has day 2 abilities (in particular, nukes and anti-nukes that he cannot use until then) this is a rough summary of all his posts and interactions. what can we glean from this? first of all, we have a claim by johnny that he has certain day 2 powers. he further elaborates that they are nukes and anti-nukes that cannot be used on day 1. this sounds a little weird to me, but hey this is ace's game. maybe he has an un-shoot-downable (heh) nuke instead of a standard one, but only after night 1. i dunno. the main people he argued with were abenson, meeple and opz. one of the main arguments was the fact that he tends to bounce around between vote candidates a lot. one consistent stance of his is that of anti-nukes. now, since we know rol is townie, the nuke launched at him was in good faith, and not to shut him up about his suspicious of, say, xelin. my take? i think johnny has made generally pro-town plays. however, the vote-switching is a little sketchy, and he did do a weird role claim. but keep in mind, the latter could be explained because hey, this is ace's game and anything including hookers goes. i would support an anti-nuke on johnny as generally he seems to be playing pro-town, and encouraging information to be shared/generated | ||
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well, i am disappointed that johnnyspazz was not anti-nuked, i thought i made a fairly good case for him but i guess not. what the hell happened to his anti nukes? also, this north korea business, doesn't it strike you guys as a little odd? i am surprised this power has not been discussed yet, but granted there are fucking nukes flying (seriously fuck you guys) at this very moment, and the NK nukes are pretty recent. my take? seems like a perfect power for a godfather or third party to have. anonymous nukes as a town power just sounds too uncharacteristic. also, is it just me or are they faster than regular nukes? lol this also brings into question -- why elemenope? he has been posting walls of text (which i admit to not reading at all but then again who does) and been involved in a few tussles but nothing beyond a little ad hominem and fos'ing. still, to be the target of a day 1 power-nuke? i don't get it. | ||
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fuck you. i have nothing more to add. we all know my stance on nukes, and we definitely know my stance on nuking L. fuck you verse, fuck you everyone who launched a nuke just, fuck you. i am so pissed because it looks like we are fucking going to lose this game just like the everyone-has-a-gun game because hey, the moment people get the ability to kill people at whim, they suddenly decide to exercise it because its the FUCKING INTERNET fuck you. | ||
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L is fucking playing incredibly pro-town right now. so obv bill's decision to save him was pro-town too then fucking verse comes in and lets two more nukes fly, both at pro-town players. HUH I WONDER WHATS UP THERE? plus some fucking idiot nukes the wall of text creator lmnop, and hey, what a useful power it is to be able to nuke people without them knowing who you are? i bet you're laughing your ass off too god i hate you guys if we ever get to day 2 or if we have night1 vigs, i would suggest to take a deliberate look at the people who initially wanted L dead for no adequate reason, and are causing this chaos right now: L(7) tree.hugger Versatile Fishball d3_crescentia tree.hugger, verse, fishball, d3. two people who decide to launch nukes for fun and two people who are mostly afk from this game. GEE I WONDER | ||
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On March 28 2010 04:28 Elemenope wrote: I do think that L's pro-town and these nukes toward him are out of spite rather than for scum tells; I'd like to see L saved, but that's really up to the town and if they feel we need to save antis or not. i disagree. if you notice, the chaos right now (as i have posted right before ace's huge picture post) is caused by people who initially voted for L to get lynched on day 1 for no adequate reason (and no, as i have outlined many many times in this thread, him being banned for two real-time days, not game-days, is NOT an adequate reason). L is usually a big asset to whichever side he's on, it's just that idiots take some of his comments to heart and think he's attacking them instead of their logic. which he sometimes is, but hey, he's right more often than not. have to take the good with the bad. obviously i would love both bm and L saved, as they have both been acting pro-town so far, and i am fairly confident in stating that verse is probably mafia. plus, the other people on that list (treehugger, fishball and d3) haven't been that helpful either. there is quite likely to be another mafia among that list. so saying that the nukes are being launched out of spite by townies as opposed to mafia wanting to wreak havoc on the town and kill pro-town players is stupid, imo. | ||
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here's my addition to the current shitstorm. zona brought up a point where someone went "oh lul u want the night to start?? eager to use up your abilities huh?" implying him mafia. sure that's all well and good, we all know mafia get a nightkill this game, but hey. did you all forget L flipped medic? that means we also probably have the typical night roles like DTs in this game too. thing is.. the shorter the game is, the less useful they are. and at this rate i'm not even sure we'll ever get a rolecheck out of them before we blow the shit out of each other. i mean for fuck's sake, do you realize this day started on march TWENTY THIRD? like SIX DAYS AGO? we have been launching nukes for 133 hours now. and of course there's at least another 24 hours of it thanks to canada eh. of course i can't blame him because he's quite likely townie and he *is* nuking a target that's been suggested by quite a few people. it's just that, hey, it's like the seventh nuke fired before night1. as douglas adams' Mr. L. Prosser would say -- "what a day" now i believe L suggested me and haster nuking tree.hugger and xelin. i'm giving weight to this particular suggestion because he is confirmed townie. well, tree.hugger i suppose is no longer a choice at this point, but xelin's still there. i'd like to point out, for the umpteenth time, how i feel about nukes. if the majority wants xelin to get shot, fine, haster or I can probably take care of that. but if you think i am going to nuke without town consensus you're out of your fucking mind. i already made it quite clear that my stance is "say no to nukes" and gee, maybe this current shitstorm will help you see why. all these inactivity lists that were brought up are quite interesting actually. i think suspects like d3 and fishball (i outlined them earlier as well) should definitely be looked at as lynch (or nuke... /rolleyes) targets. but hey, instead we're fucking nuking all willy-nilly. whatever works right? OH WAIT WE HAVEN'T EXPLODED A SINGLE RED NOW HAVE WE grrrr | ||
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versatile has been hit by a nuke. ok so she didn't die, but nobody knew the nuke was fake. or well, at least the town didn't. that means if verse is on the mafia team, the mafia would probably be inclined to anti-nuke unless they knew that verse had no more abilities or something. now since the nuke hit we can likely conclude one of the following: 1) mafia has no anti nukes 2) verse is not mafia 3) mafia was willing to sacrifice verse for whatever reason (i.e. verse was out of nukes) 4) mafia has some way to tell fake nukes from real ones 5) some 3rd party explanation as verse is being brought up time and time again as a day2 lynch target, i thought i would bring this up as well to paint the whole story. comments? | ||
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verse, both townies and mafia have anti-nukes so this would not be an impossible task. how do you know mafia has anti nukes? | ||
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On March 29 2010 02:47 Versatile wrote: because i think caller is mafia, and he was anonymously anti-nuked. i guess i shouldn't state it as a fact, and i apologize for that, but it's what i believe given my behavioral analysis on caller. ok, fair enough. guess our minds are wired differently, as you can see the first conclusion i thought of was that mafia may have no anti-nukes. it just seemed you were so sure, which stood out to me, to say the least. | ||
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On March 29 2010 20:23 Nikon wrote: Wow, the day might end soon! Just so we're clear: First I get this: And then there's You're directly disagreeing with yourself. Based on this and how you've omitted various pieces of information in your nice big posts, I'd say that you're red. The question is... what should I do with you. I thought this was a weird accusation, especially on someone who most, myself included, consider quite pro-town (one of the most useful players for sure). So I decided to run through your old posts and see what I can dig up Nikon -against early nukes -for lynch-the-nuker plan. -randomly suggests a 3rd mason in opz/abenson circle -a little ad hominem vs bill murray -wants xelin dead well, aside from that there's not too much substance in his posts. and of course there aren't that many posts to begin with (24 i believe after the /confirm post). however the points he has made (or rather, agreed with) have been pro-town. I'm leaning towards the fact that nikon is town-aligned, but i feel there's something odd. most importantly i notice that he hasn't actually contributed much more beyond agreeing with pro-town plans. i still feel it's not a big deal, it's just that his random "zona is red" and hinting at his desire to nuke zona made me raise an eyebrow. what do you guys (and nikon in particular) think? my take is he's town-aligned, but as long as we still have day, might as well keep discussing, n'est pas? | ||
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ZONA? REALLY? ok slow it down for me because i must be retarded. spell out all of your reasons for nuking zona | ||
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well i'm raging but hey, what else is new right? first, let's talk about the radiation levels, here's what we know Radiation Levels 0-very low 2-low 4-moderate it follows to assume (and is the most reasonable guess) that it continues as per: 6-high 8-very high 10-death I am fairly confident this is the scale. Maybe off by one nuke, but it will give us a rough idea of how screwed we are. So keep this in mind Now, let's talk about players. This is going to be long and monstrous so I am going to spoiler it. My final suspects list will be at the bottom. of course, like nikon, i am not confident i will live through the night. however, unlike nikon, i am not going to launch nukes willy-nilly. instead, my approach is to post out all of my thoughts and if i get killed, you get a clean post to read that you know was written by a confirmed townie. + Show Spoiler [dont worry i was a doctor] + Here is who is still alive: Alive players d3_crescentia JeeJee Xelin ~Opz~ Amber[LighT] Caller haster27 Elemenope iNfuNdiBuLuM Zona Fishball Iaaan meeple Versatile Nikon Abenson nemy Now, i won't be on any of my analysis because i know i am townie, but obviously you can take this with a grain of salt. i don't aim to convince myself, i aim to convince you through my posts. So we have 16 players (plus me). I think a reasonable number of mafia, as several people have pointed out is 4-5. Let's talk about each of these people in order, and I will give my final list. for all of them, i'll give a quick summary of posts, then my opinion, then a 1-5star rating. d3_crescentia -works with zona to fine-tune the revenge-lynch (back then it was revenge-nuke) plan -does not think L is a worthy lynch candidate -support revenge-lynch -votes for L (this flags a "wtf?" in my head, as earlier he did not think L was lynch-worthy) but votes after a wagon has started.. interesting -switches to RoL as per town plan -contributes a few thoughts later on but is mostly inactive This boggles me. on the other hand he starts off very pro-town, but then does something extremely weird if he were townie. he does not get into too many arguments but does contribute thoughts and follows through with town plans. I'm really on edge with this guy and will put him as: **[yellow]*[/yellow] 3/5 - definitely not comfortable calling him pro-town. Please be more active d3, we need your opinions xelin -starts off supporting L and revenge-lynch plan -questions and fine tune's other's plans -argues with fishball a bit -against inactives -bounces around votes a bit, settling on rol as per the rest of town -wants nuke on caller to land -suspects caller/bill/elemenope -claims north korea, claims shot lmnop, noone has counterclaimed -claims treehugger and verse are on same team -argues a little with haster my take? he starts off really pro-town, but then goes ahead and ruins it with an anonymous nuke on a probable pro-town player. as there's still no counter-claim i guess we might as well believe his claim to be legit..question is, what do we make of it? i am actually leaning towards him being a third party. however, given that he (claims) has just one nuke, i can't fathom what his win condition is. of course an anonymous nuke would be a good way to start a nuclear shitstorm in an otherwise ordered game, so it could be win-by-tod. but of course this is a guess just like any other. i'm not comfortable calling him pro-town at all, and in fact leaning towards him being anti-town **[yellow]*[/yellow]* 4/5 opz i don't really want to go through all his posts but really, he can be summed up as either the ballsiest mafia ever or a mason. * 1/5 amber -votes for L due to inactive, continues attacking him for a bit -nuking as pro-town -wants inactives to come out, encourages discussion -discourage nukes early on -points out flaws in others' plans -bounces off of L (saying L will be useful in the future.. an interesting change) onto abenson -argues with rol after rol's nuke -against tree.hugger nuke, but does want him dead via lynch. although once he was nuked, he wanted it to fall -supports MAD (an interesting change from no-nuking although given the shitstorm that transpired maybe expected) He, like d3 actually, boggles me. He does have a few interesting flip-flops, but in context they are somewhat expected. but he also started off (with me in fact) on the no nuking policy and i applaud him for that. of course lately he switched to supporing M.A.D which i think is retarded, but oh well. I'm not comfortable calling him pro-town.. quite on edge. **[yellow]*[/yellow] 3/5 caller -screws around and spams early game without adding content -votes for opz as a joke, then seemingly votes for bill as a joke -claims has no anti-nukes (after rol shot him) -..that's it extremely inactive. mentioned something about sucking on day1 analysis, but daymn, this has been one hell of a day one. surely you'd have something to contribute by now **[yellow]*[/yellow] 3/5 - i am not calling him pro-town mostly because he is not active AT ALL. by far one of the least active players in the game (alongside abenson i suppose although there may be PMs going on there), and while he hasn't done anything wrong.. that's only because he hasn't done anything! Start talking already. haster -argues plans and works with L/zona. supports revenge-nuking instead of revenge-lynching though -thinks mafia will not lurk due to modkill policy -agrees with revenge-lynch though -does not want people to vote for L -votes rol -an interesting post "o god i wish PM were allowed in this game" -freaks out over idiots -wants L's nuke stopped, johnny's not -suspect list: Versatile tree.hugger Xelin -continues to argue, raise discussion, get people involved i really like this guy. i think he's definitely playing pro-town, and am comfortable calling him town aligned. not as much as say opz or abenson but he's definitely a good player to have imo * 1/5 elemenope ok i'll be honest, i don't want to bother reading his walls of texts, which he has been exclusively posting. this post is already taking way too long. personally, i took him off my suspects list when he got nuked by north korea because i don't feel like NK is town-aligned. however, his posts (the ones that i have skimmed) have been reasonably helpful, at least at first glance. he is also fairly active, which is always an asset to the town. i would say just BREAK UP YOUR DAMN POSTS MAN (and yes i know, pot calling kettle black, but i never post walls of text, this is like my first one) ** 2/5 infundi -for revenge-lynch, against lynching L -votes rol, suspects d3, tree, xelin -folows a no-nuke policy -supports lmnop, and actually thought tree might flip green given the chaos that transpired overall pretty good record i feel, just not that active. still, i feel he may be a bored townie rather than a lurking mafia ** 2/5 zona i don't want to go into detail on this guy, but suffice to say he has been driving discussion (barring his one afk spell for a day or 2), suggesting plans, and having generally well-reasoned arguments. he's one of the most pro-town players in this game, and noticeable too. * 1/5 fishball -votes L without much reasoning, but changes to rol as per town plan -heavily argues with L -suggests that we are chasing ghosts -aligned with me on the nuking situation i would be a lot less suspicious of him if he were a) more active b) not on the L list. i feel quite strongly that there has to be mafia on that list, especially since L flipped town, it would've been in their interests to knock him out. on the other hand, he hasn't done anything wrong per se.. but like caller, it's mostly because he hasn't done anything! i would give him a 3/5 like caller, but alas he is on the L list, which knocks him up a notch **[yellow]*[/yellow]* 4/5 iaaan -against lynching L -for rol's nuke hitting -wants johnny and L to die, and lynch tree.hugger -has a big logic flaw where if L is green, tree.hugger has to die -supports shooting down anonymous nuke -suspects both BM and L -"i want all nukes in the air to fall because none of the players are confirmed townies" another logic flaw -also wants verse to die this set off some flags when i was skimming through his posts. it seems like this guy wants a lot of people dead, and quick. a townie wouldn't be so triggerhappy in my opinion, as deaths + votelists are more useful than just deaths. hell, at the end of this day, we still have just one vote list, although we DO still have a crapload of information. either way, this one is a major suspect for me *[yellow]*[/yellow]** 5/5 meeple -not particularly against L dying, but prefers others -points out nemy and in general the concept of mafia riding bandwagons -tries to stay neutral in the various ad hominem arguments -suspects iaaan -agrees with lynching verse -glad anonymous nuke was shot down -his suspect list: Iaaan Caller d3-cres Amber overall, he stays interestingly in the background and is not so active. however, he's active enough to stay alive. overall his suspect list is pretty decent, and as i'm going through this, i will probably come up with something similar. undecided on this fella, **[yellow]*[/yellow] 3/5 verse i've outlined many reasons for why i believe verse is mafia. she has started chaos, launched two nukes at now confirmed townies. however, she managed to stay alive through a nuke, which i don't know what to make of (this i have also outlined) still, i am leaning towards non-town aligned, although not as heavily, as say iaaan *[yellow]*[/yellow]* 4/5 nikon this kid's retarded, i do hope zona gets saved. i might be blinded by my trust of zona, but seriously dude, what the hell were you thinking. either way, i have outlined this guy earlier, so i'll just paste that here: Nikon -against early nukes -for lynch-the-nuker plan. -randomly suggests a 3rd mason in opz/abenson circle -a little ad hominem vs bill murray -wants xelin dead well, aside from that there's not too much substance in his posts. and of course there aren't that many posts to begin with (24 i believe after the /confirm post). however the points he has made (or rather, agreed with) have been pro-town. I'm leaning towards the fact that nikon is town-aligned, but i feel there's something odd. most importantly i notice that he hasn't actually contributed much more beyond agreeing with pro-town plans. i still feel it's not a big deal, it's just that his random "zona is red" and hinting at his desire to nuke zona made me raise an eyebrow. what do you guys (and nikon in particular) think? my take is he's town-aligned, but as long as we still have day, might as well keep discussing, n'est pas? i just don't understand why he would nuka zona. do. not. get. it. if before i would rate him 2-3/5, that nuke definitely brings him up a point to 3-4/5 *[yellow]*[/yellow]* 4/5 abenson same deal as opz * 1/5 nemy -against lynching L -votes bill, then to rol as per town plan -..that's it? not very active, falls into the caller/infundi territory. be more active, dammit **[yellow]*[/yellow] 3/5 My final lists: tier1 suspects: iaaan verse tier2 suspects: nikon xelin d3 fishball inactives/possible lurking mafia: caller infundi nemy likely townies: zona haster27 abenson opz elemenope undecided: amber meeple Course of action? what can i say..i need opinions of others, and i am most definitely looking for defenses of the people i have pointed fingers at. reactions, own analysis. 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[QUOTE]+ Show Spoiler + On March 30 2010 04:09 JeeJee wrote: ok well i'm raging but hey, what else is new right? first, let's talk about the radiation levels, here's what we know Radiation Levels 0-very low 2-low 4-moderate it follows to assume (and is the most reasonable guess) that it continues as per: 6-high 8-very high 10-death I am fairly confident this is the scale. Maybe off by one nuke, but it will give us a rough idea of how screwed we are. So keep this in mind Now, let's talk about players. This is going to be long and monstrous so I am going to spoiler it. My final suspects list will be at the bottom. of course, like nikon, i am not confident i will live through the night. however, unlike nikon, i am not going to launch nukes willy-nilly. instead, my approach is to post out all of my thoughts and if i get killed, you get a clean post to read that you know was written by a confirmed townie. + Show Spoiler [dont worry i was a doctor] + Here is who is still alive: Alive players d3_crescentia JeeJee Xelin ~Opz~ Amber[LighT] Caller haster27 Elemenope iNfuNdiBuLuM Zona Fishball Iaaan meeple Versatile Nikon Abenson nemy Now, i won't be on any of my analysis because i know i am townie, but obviously you can take this with a grain of salt. i don't aim to convince myself, i aim to convince you through my posts. So we have 16 players (plus me). I think a reasonable number of mafia, as several people have pointed out is 4-5. Let's talk about each of these people in order, and I will give my final list. for all of them, i'll give a quick summary of posts, then my opinion, then a 1-5star rating. d3_crescentia -works with zona to fine-tune the revenge-lynch (back then it was revenge-nuke) plan -does not think L is a worthy lynch candidate -support revenge-lynch -votes for L (this flags a "wtf?" in my head, as earlier he did not think L was lynch-worthy) but votes after a wagon has started.. interesting -switches to RoL as per town plan -contributes a few thoughts later on but is mostly inactive This boggles me. on the other hand he starts off very pro-town, but then does something extremely weird if he were townie. he does not get into too many arguments but does contribute thoughts and follows through with town plans. I'm really on edge with this guy and will put him as: **[yellow]*[/yellow] 3/5 - definitely not comfortable calling him pro-town. Please be more active d3, we need your opinions xelin -starts off supporting L and revenge-lynch plan -questions and fine tune's other's plans -argues with fishball a bit -against inactives -bounces around votes a bit, settling on rol as per the rest of town -wants nuke on caller to land -suspects caller/bill/elemenope -claims north korea, claims shot lmnop, noone has counterclaimed -claims treehugger and verse are on same team -argues a little with haster my take? he starts off really pro-town, but then goes ahead and ruins it with an anonymous nuke on a probable pro-town player. as there's still no counter-claim i guess we might as well believe his claim to be legit..question is, what do we make of it? i am actually leaning towards him being a third party. however, given that he (claims) has just one nuke, i can't fathom what his win condition is. of course an anonymous nuke would be a good way to start a nuclear shitstorm in an otherwise ordered game, so it could be win-by-tod. but of course this is a guess just like any other. i'm not comfortable calling him pro-town at all, and in fact leaning towards him being anti-town **[yellow]*[/yellow]* 4/5 opz i don't really want to go through all his posts but really, he can be summed up as either the ballsiest mafia ever or a mason. * 1/5 amber -votes for L due to inactive, continues attacking him for a bit -nuking as pro-town -wants inactives to come out, encourages discussion -discourage nukes early on -points out flaws in others' plans -bounces off of L (saying L will be useful in the future.. an interesting change) onto abenson -argues with rol after rol's nuke -against tree.hugger nuke, but does want him dead via lynch. although once he was nuked, he wanted it to fall -supports MAD (an interesting change from no-nuking although given the shitstorm that transpired maybe expected) He, like d3 actually, boggles me. He does have a few interesting flip-flops, but in context they are somewhat expected. but he also started off (with me in fact) on the no nuking policy and i applaud him for that. of course lately he switched to supporing M.A.D which i think is retarded, but oh well. I'm not comfortable calling him pro-town.. quite on edge. **[yellow]*[/yellow] 3/5 caller -screws around and spams early game without adding content -votes for opz as a joke, then seemingly votes for bill as a joke -claims has no anti-nukes (after rol shot him) -..that's it extremely inactive. mentioned something about sucking on day1 analysis, but daymn, this has been one hell of a day one. surely you'd have something to contribute by now **[yellow]*[/yellow] 3/5 - i am not calling him pro-town mostly because he is not active AT ALL. by far one of the least active players in the game (alongside abenson i suppose although there may be PMs going on there), and while he hasn't done anything wrong.. that's only because he hasn't done anything! Start talking already. haster -argues plans and works with L/zona. supports revenge-nuking instead of revenge-lynching though -thinks mafia will not lurk due to modkill policy -agrees with revenge-lynch though -does not want people to vote for L -votes rol -an interesting post "o god i wish PM were allowed in this game" -freaks out over idiots -wants L's nuke stopped, johnny's not -suspect list: Versatile tree.hugger Xelin -continues to argue, raise discussion, get people involved i really like this guy. i think he's definitely playing pro-town, and am comfortable calling him town aligned. not as much as say opz or abenson but he's definitely a good player to have imo * 1/5 elemenope ok i'll be honest, i don't want to bother reading his walls of texts, which he has been exclusively posting. this post is already taking way too long. personally, i took him off my suspects list when he got nuked by north korea because i don't feel like NK is town-aligned. however, his posts (the ones that i have skimmed) have been reasonably helpful, at least at first glance. he is also fairly active, which is always an asset to the town. i would say just BREAK UP YOUR DAMN POSTS MAN (and yes i know, pot calling kettle black, but i never post walls of text, this is like my first one) ** 2/5 infundi -for revenge-lynch, against lynching L -votes rol, suspects d3, tree, xelin -folows a no-nuke policy -supports lmnop, and actually thought tree might flip green given the chaos that transpired overall pretty good record i feel, just not that active. still, i feel he may be a bored townie rather than a lurking mafia ** 2/5 zona i don't want to go into detail on this guy, but suffice to say he has been driving discussion (barring his one afk spell for a day or 2), suggesting plans, and having generally well-reasoned arguments. he's one of the most pro-town players in this game, and noticeable too. * 1/5 fishball -votes L without much reasoning, but changes to rol as per town plan -heavily argues with L -suggests that we are chasing ghosts -aligned with me on the nuking situation i would be a lot less suspicious of him if he were a) more active b) not on the L list. i feel quite strongly that there has to be mafia on that list, especially since L flipped town, it would've been in their interests to knock him out. on the other hand, he hasn't done anything wrong per se.. but like caller, it's mostly because he hasn't done anything! i would give him a 3/5 like caller, but alas he is on the L list, which knocks him up a notch **[yellow]*[/yellow]* 4/5 iaaan -against lynching L -for rol's nuke hitting -wants johnny and L to die, and lynch tree.hugger -has a big logic flaw where if L is green, tree.hugger has to die -supports shooting down anonymous nuke -suspects both BM and L -"i want all nukes in the air to fall because none of the players are confirmed townies" another logic flaw -also wants verse to die this set off some flags when i was skimming through his posts. it seems like this guy wants a lot of people dead, and quick. a townie wouldn't be so triggerhappy in my opinion, as deaths + votelists are more useful than just deaths. hell, at the end of this day, we still have just one vote list, although we DO still have a crapload of information. either way, this one is a major suspect for me *[yellow]*[/yellow]** 5/5 meeple -not particularly against L dying, but prefers others -points out nemy and in general the concept of mafia riding bandwagons -tries to stay neutral in the various ad hominem arguments -suspects iaaan -agrees with lynching verse -glad anonymous nuke was shot down -his suspect list: Iaaan Caller d3-cres Amber overall, he stays interestingly in the background and is not so active. however, he's active enough to stay alive. overall his suspect list is pretty decent, and as i'm going through this, i will probably come up with something similar. undecided on this fella, **[yellow]*[/yellow] 3/5 verse i've outlined many reasons for why i believe verse is mafia. she has started chaos, launched two nukes at now confirmed townies. however, she managed to stay alive through a nuke, which i don't know what to make of (this i have also outlined) still, i am leaning towards non-town aligned, although not as heavily, as say iaaan *[yellow]*[/yellow]* 4/5 nikon this kid's retarded, i do hope zona gets saved. i might be blinded by my trust of zona, but seriously dude, what the hell were you thinking. either way, i have outlined this guy earlier, so i'll just paste that here: Nikon -against early nukes -for lynch-the-nuker plan. -randomly suggests a 3rd mason in opz/abenson circle -a little ad hominem vs bill murray -wants xelin dead well, aside from that there's not too much substance in his posts. and of course there aren't that many posts to begin with (24 i believe after the /confirm post). however the points he has made (or rather, agreed with) have been pro-town. I'm leaning towards the fact that nikon is town-aligned, but i feel there's something odd. most importantly i notice that he hasn't actually contributed much more beyond agreeing with pro-town plans. i still feel it's not a big deal, it's just that his random "zona is red" and hinting at his desire to nuke zona made me raise an eyebrow. what do you guys (and nikon in particular) think? my take is he's town-aligned, but as long as we still have day, might as well keep discussing, n'est pas? i just don't understand why he would nuka zona. do. not. get. it. if before i would rate him 2-3/5, that nuke definitely brings him up a point to 3-4/5 *[yellow]*[/yellow]* 4/5 abenson same deal as opz * 1/5 nemy -against lynching L -votes bill, then to rol as per town plan -..that's it? not very active, falls into the caller/infundi territory. be more active, dammit **[yellow]*[/yellow] 3/5 My final lists: tier1 suspects: iaaan verse tier2 suspects: nikon xelin d3 fishball inactives/possible lurking mafia: caller infundi nemy likely townies: zona haster27 abenson opz elemenope undecided: amber meeple Course of action? what can i say..i need opinions of others, and i am most definitely looking for defenses of the people i have pointed fingers at. reactions, own analysis. CREATE HISTORY. WE NEED IT. Get your facts straight please and don't hurl unnecessary insults please, one Versatile is enough -.-;; a oneliner? really? that's all i get? i'm gonna rage i swear to god. well, ok let me calm down a sec Hullo Nikon ol' chap. Be a good sport and reply to my analysis won't you! Jolly good show and all that, what! Toodle pip. | ||
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hoooooooooooooooly night all is calm..... all is bright.. | ||
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I will talk about the killings later, obviously it sucks, and there's obviously a 3rd party or a vigi role in the game. But, i'm a selfish man and I will talk about myself first (you will see why). First, I'm surprised I lived through the night. I did not take a hit. However, I wasn't left alone. Two things happened to me.. (1) My nuke(s) were stolen. Now, this is a cute one, did not expect this. What country is famous for cocaine and coffee? Colombia. This is the one that stole my warhead(s). I'm not sure how that helps us, but that's that. No more nukes from shinbi, so if you guys want day extensions, I'm all yours. (2) I was roleblocked This is funny, because I talked to Ace before writing this up, and he confirmed that I do not have to have a role to receive the roleblock PM. Moreover, they do not get confirmation whether any night action of mine was blocked. Thus, if the RB'er wanted to figure out whether I have a role or not, they have failed. Also, I'm going to assume this is mafia's doing, as I've never seen a townie nor 3rd party get such a role. Now, I'm in a bit of a rush this morning, but thought I'd spit these 2 info out for you guys to chew on. I'll be back in a bit to comment on xelin's idiocy and the nightkills in general. | ||
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@Infundi, among others Here's why I believe there is a 3rd party in this game. Let's consider the obvious one: two kills. I'm going to roll with the assumption that Ace meant mafia can kill *only* one player per night, so we have a vigi or SK situation here. Usually, at least in previous TL games, vigi's cannot hit night1. Of course this isn't exactly like previous TL games, but it is something to consider.. Plus, I disagree that Ace did not mention 3rd parties; actually he specifically laid out "if there exist third parties, they will have their own win conditions". Sure the "all countries are divided into 2 sides" kind of contradicts that, but Ace couldn't very well write much else, could he? "into 2 sides, or possibly more" is a little silly, imo. The other thing to consider is that (going by haster's reasoning that meeple was mafia's and amber was not) if amber were a vigi's target, it would have to be a pretty bad vigi. Of all people, amber's not exactly pro-town sure, but he doesn't stand out as much as say, iaaan (mr. i-want-everyone-dead). Now, let's take a look at the lists I have proposed earlier + Show Spoiler [lists] + My final lists: tier1 suspects: iaaan verse tier2 suspects: nikon xelin d3 fishball inactives/possible lurking mafia: caller infundi nemy likely townies: zona haster27 abenson opz elemenope undecided: amber meeple We can see that my entire undecided list is gone, which I guess makes things easier for me in terms of classifying players. personally, my take is that among my tier1-2, there probably is 2-3 mafia, and the others are hiding in the inactives list (as many have pointed out caller and nemy are prime suspects from that list). I don't buy the arguments that zona is mafia, sorry. Main reason? They're not arguments!! They're "feelings" "hunches", in other words things-to-ignore. Make a decent argument, please (although I guess having the nuke flying renders that request a little moot) Now, I just f5'd the thread.. Xelin, I'm really interested in the reasonings behind your suspicions. On my end, I've gone through all of their posts and analyzed them in context of the knowledge we had at the time, summarized them and laid out my conclusions. The conclusions I came to is the top 3 players you suspect are in fact "likely townies" on my list. Care to lay out your reasons, so that we may debate this (as I feel this is a very important issue, especially given the triggerhappy fingers we have here *cough*)? | ||
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re:haster, was this recent? I dont recall him vs you, although i do know you were on his suspect list along with verse and tree.hugger.. i will dig up the posts re: lmnop, his inactivity is interesting, yes. definitely raised a flag in my mind. i would wait and see how this trend continues, although as fishball said, his vote on you isn't really a surprise given your nuke re:verse i guess this is the only one we agree on, so not much to say there. | ||
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k listen up here is the alive list + Show Spoiler [list] + # d3_crescentia # JeeJee # Xelin # ~Opz~ # Caller # haster27 # Elemenope # iNfuNdiBuLuM # Zona # Fishball # Iaaan # Versatile # Nikon # Abenson # nemy the following people have voted for xelin: Versatile Elemenope Infundibulum ~Opz~ haster27 Abenson Iaaan (bear with me for a sec opz, i know you changed your vote) that means (excluding myself and xelin): d3 caller zona fishball nikon nemy the above people probably have read the thread (it's been almost a day), and probably consciously decided not to vote for xelin. why is this? just inactivity/laziness? i think there is something else here.. if xelin were mafia, then his buddies wouldn't be so hasty as to jump onto the wagon to get him to majority. then again, if it seems the town is hell-bent on lynching him, they would not argue against it, and probably jump on the wagon later (hi iaaan) to save their skins, if it seemed to be a sure thing with or without their votes maybe i'm just reading too much into the inactivity (as, let's face it, the drowsy trio of d3 caller and nemy are on that list), or maybe we have something here? what do you think | ||
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why the vote for caller? so far i'm reading "based on rol's hunch". I do hope your thinking process was more involved than that. | ||
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anyway, it's very simple to confirm both fishball and caller, i don't see what the fuss is about THIS IS MY PLAN. point out flaws please, we are on a time crunch here. have fishball track caller again, and have caller check someone suspicious (i vote iaaan). if caller visits iaaan and iaaan doesn't die, and is confirmed by fishball, we're gravy. of course the problem is mafia hitting either one of the two. my take is we probably DO have another medic somewhere (medics are less imba than people give them credit for.. a medic that doesn't save anyone is basically a townie, and it's hard as fuck to save people), so decide who you're gonna prot, either fishball or caller. remember mafia have just one KP, and if they want to kill either one, they basically have a 50% chance to waste ALL of their KP. i doubt they'll take the risk with other good targets for them out there. so that means when we're in day3, we are golden, and i guess we can start lmnop's roleclaim-based plan assuming he lives through the night (why not post it now?) obviously if our medic is focused on fishball/caller, i'm probably going to end up biting it, but i'm sure when we finally get organized, have 2 confirmed blues on top of two masons, and a rolecheck on a very suspicious person, we can start turning this ship around. | ||
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On April 02 2010 21:13 Abenson wrote: Alright I have an announcement: Someone stole nuke(s) from me They left behind coffee beens and used cocaine needles bingo, we have confirmation from a townie that colombia is a nuke thief. ALSO SOMETHING MAJOR SOMEONE REALLY WANTS NIKON TO DIE think about it if meeple and nikon were switched as per caller's claim, and meeple died that means NIKON WAS TARGETTED and then nikon takes a hit again tonight do we have another indirectly confirmed townie? bada-bing, ball is rollin' mafia. we need caller's actions this night. | ||
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also, i highly doubt SK will come out. it's an absolutely silly thing to think about. SK is third party, with own win conditions (like be the last one standing). if SK comes out, SK cannot win. right now, SK has a chance to win, however small it may be, as SK has to start killing mafia THIS NIGHT otherwise he's screwed by numbers. i mean, consider: 12 players alive, 1 sk, let's say 5 mafia and 6 townies 1-5-6 if sk hits a townie and we mislynch, WE LOSE if it's a 1-4-7 split, same scenario leads us to a lylo situation we can't fuck this day up up. THIS IS IMPORTANT. no random votes (i.e. infundi..). write out EVERYTHING that was a factor in your conclusion. if it take you 30 minutes, suck it up and write it out. for myself, i will wait for the nuke to fall, as the same-role-but-different-abilities thing makes me raise an eyebrow. | ||
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@infundi, maybe random wasn't the best choice of words. i meant not well justified because your only argument is caller has been under town suspicion for a while, which, given our track record, doesn't mean shit. hell, xelin and verse, both of which were suspected by town (and were on my tier1-2 lists too) have flipped innocent i'm still confident that that list has to house several mafia; particularly i'm looking at the nikon/iaaan duo. as we know iaaan has been on my suspect list for a while for wanting everybody dead (more details in my large post back on like pg76 or something). in fact he's my #1 suspect. however nikon has been on my tier2 as well. and this whole same-role-with-different-abilities claim has brought them back into the spotlight. i have an idea, but have to play with the numbers some more before posting it | ||
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On April 04 2010 08:04 Abenson wrote: I'll just nuke Someone again if we run out of time one nuke per day =o | ||
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tis 2hr late!! oh noooo | ||
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does tod go up come on put some effort into this noob | ||
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so when's next eta for next nuke when's current day end come on be a mod else ill ##vote ace | ||
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##vote:nemy stop hiding asshole start talking you in particular are being so useless it's pissing me off what's your opinion on the current situation? what do you think of iaaan nikon duo? is one of them mafia? if so which one? if not why not? what do you think about caller? should he be lynched? should we fire off any (real) nukes at suspects? note, if we mislynch we're fucked but if we mislynch but hit nuke, we're still kinda in the running, depending on mafia #s | ||
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what's your take on his roleclaim? if you believe it why are you lynching a cop? if you don't, why not? | ||
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On April 04 2010 16:47 nemY wrote: I don't believe he is a cop, because frankly anybody can say whatever they want here and not be verified, correct? Caller only shows up in times of dire situation for himself (ie: he's about to be lynched) and then he goes back to... whatever it is he's doing when are you going to r/c jeejee? i don't see the point tbh; if you haven't realized i'm town by now, well, i would advise you to follow the thread more closely in the future. but i do love your post. "i don't believe his r/c because anyone can r/c whatever the fuck they want. btw when r u gonna r/c??" haha maybe mafia should kill me and find out my role. if they want to take the risk also, who's the next day extension-er? me countering opz's nuke a few min before it lands? | ||
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On April 05 2010 07:38 ~OpZ~ wrote: You have your regular nuke, and a retaliatory one. It's on you to nuke Abenson, and abenson to retaliate on me. you have as many retaliatory nukes as u want i thought? so i figured i might as well retal vs u otherwise that one will be wasted but since iaaan tossed out a fake nuke, doesn't really matter still waiting on nemy to toss a nuke nikon's way | ||
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i'm kind of losing faith for this game btw. it has slowed down too much. after nemy's nuke lands, what more information can we get during daytime? we have to decide on lynch target. if a nolynch goes through, we basically lost. these endless extensions are getting us nowhere, apart from townies afking out cause nothing is happening, which will cause hell come next day vote (it will basically be lylo depending on numbers) what's your call opz? hell, i'm close to afking out myself. i just don't really see us winning tbh, consider best case scenario in terms of numbers: 4 mafia, 1 sk, 7 townies. a pretty reasonable outcome is between town and SK, one mafia and one townie die (either we lynch mafia or SK kills mafia). then we're left with 3-1-5 territory. that means we will need 5 to lynch. that means EVERY SINGLE TOWNIE has to vote for ONE PERSON to get them lynched. that makes it near impossible to kill mafia through lynch, and we're left with nukes only as our method of day killings. if we mislynch, we're even more screwed. and if there are 5 mafia instead of 4, we might as well bow out. of course we could lynch mafia, and SK could kill mafia, then we're "sitting pretty" in 2-1-6 but tbh that's still a pretty tough situation to be in. i just don't see it =/ | ||
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but 9 hours from now i should be good to go, no worries also, question @ inf's claim: you said you can't nuke unless you are nuked first.. does that mean you can only retaliate nuke? or once you are nuked, you can start launching nukes at whoever? if so, why don't we just launch a fake nuke at you to give you that ability, should we require it? | ||
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so, just to sum up, currently we're waiting on nemy>nikon, also need inf's clarification on his "can't nuke until nuked" ability i'll be honest i don't have high hopes, but we'll see | ||
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yeah.. well this one's a no-brainer ##vote: nikon i was about to write it's obvious that we need to anti-nuke nemy, but i think all we have learned is that nemy and nikon are not on the same team (unless their plan was to sacrifice one of them for a single anti-nuke which is so stupid i dont know why i brought it up). however, since there are probably 3 teams, sk/mafia/town, it is possible although unlikely that neither of them are town. still, i support anti-nuke on nemy. the risk is too great otherwise | ||
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if japan had 2 anti nukes, it makes sense to lie otherwise they're dead. consider that caller was the target of the first nuke with virtually no basis behind it iirc, so it is reasonable that a townie will save him however, this is all pretty simple to figure out. we know there is japan, and there are only two reasons japan could be hiding: 1) japan still has an anti-nuke and does not want to die -- in which case this is simple: japan, anti-nuke nemy then claim. even if you have a 3rd anti-nuke or whatever, it's not worth hiding further. plus, you should just claim you're fresh out of anti-nukes anyway 2) japan/caller combo is mafia. so hey, it's pretty damn clear. if japan doesn't jump out of the woodworks to save nemy, we can assume the reason japan is hiding is not because japan has further anti-nukes. unless there's a third possibility i missed, then we can lynch caller. however, either way, nikon should be lynched. we can't nuke him for obvious reasons (since he hasn't claimed he's being framed, we can safely assume he isn't), and it's pretty clear he's anti-town. well, unless you think that launching fake nukes at the most obvious pro-town player in the game in order to burn up our anti-nuke then lie about one's role is pro-town play, in which case, well... comments? | ||
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On April 07 2010 03:06 ~OpZ~ wrote: ...Nemy...I was defending you homie... Why so defensive? Haster even agreed. Which Inf was the one using hasters statement IN his long post detailing the actions of the thread. Citizen, how does your ability work. You can retaliate, OR only nuke people that nuke you... retaliate = nuking people that nuke you no idea why you separate the two as if they are different | ||
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have you been reading this entire time or do you have a whole 100 pages of catching up to do? i know it's a big time sink, but if you haven't i would urge you to try and read as much as you can to get as much context as you can. failing that, the various summary posts that are splattered here and there (nuke summaries, player analysis, vote counts etc) will make a great starting point as well | ||
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assuming the above is true, the other thing to note is that after day post, there will be 9 players alive, meaning there cannot be 5 mafia, since mafia's win condition from OP: Mafia win if they control majority of the town at any point during the day. not much else to say until day post i suppose. | ||
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pretty impressive, i have to applaud your brilliant deduction skills. why am i getting a flashback of everyone-has-a-gun-game where whatshisface posted a list of confirmed mafia calling ace-the-townie gf, xelin-the-medic as a mafia, plus himself and mafia teammate as mafia. OH hold on, i know why. your analysis is trivial. anyone can come to the conclusion that if caller is legit, so must be d3, and with opz and abenson, the person that brings this up must be the fifth confirmed townie. i was just waiting for this. the only question was who would bring it up? a townie or a mafia? thanks for making it easy for me to decide. if either opz/abenson brought it up for example, this would be a much tougher spot. let me rip the mafia to shreds iaaan haster citi.zen lmnop first -- by looking at vote counts first day is kind of a non issue i feel, as everyone voted for rol. if you want, for the sake of completeness, these four fellas went along and all voted for rol too, but this means squat. second day - these four people again voted for xelin together (confirmed non mafia). not only did they vote, but they basically single-handedly created the wagon third day - these four people YET AGAIN voted together for nikon (confirmed non mafia). similar situation as day 2, wagon creation today - citizen/haster starting on caller, big surprise second -- by abilities first, anyone get their nukes stolen today? i think most everyone has posted now, nobody has claimed this. when someone like china has three nukes just lying around, how can you NOT steal them? wait, wouldn't that go against the paranoid gun owner claim (i'll get to that nutshell of gold in a minute). After all, how can you claim your nukes got stolen if no nuke thief pops in the night? Actually I suppose you can claim your role's power is to nuke other people instead, which brings me to... ....the paranoid gun owner claim itself. this is so full of shit i don't know where to start. yes mafia roles change from time to time, but if it is a noticeable change, the name changes as well. you'll never find a detective without an investigative ability, likewise you'll never find a paranoid gun owner who doesn't cause indiscriminate death to both town and mafia at night. newsflash: the ability to nuke people who nuke you isn't a special ability. it is a feature of this game. it is like claiming "oh my special ability is to vote during the day". thirdly -- by setup how many mafia ARE in this game? i find it interesting that iaaan hasn't even considered the point that there might not be four mafia, but less. know too much? all we know is that there isn't five mafia. there could be anywhere from 1-4. Given the special abilities that we know exist (nuke thief and role block), there's gotta be at least 2. so 2, 3 or 4? consider that 2/22 would be a ridiculous setup, as 2/9 is the norm, and doubling both numbers will actually give us 4/18. of course this is far from a normal setup, but 2 is just so out there, it would be almost as difficult winning as with SK. earlier a lot of people agreed on 4-5 being the optimal number and since we know it's not 5, four seems a good number. 3 is a distant possibility that we should keep in mind though (as if a bus exists, that means every mafia has a special ability, which makes this actually not so bad) lastly -- by behavior I first raised my eyebrow that something was up when citizen came in the game, with I is here! I'll try to decide who to vote for after I've had a bit of time to read through the posts. As of now I guess it's between Nikon and Caller. Then, not even 20 minutes later, he busts out his vote. i don't know about you, but simply finding the summary posts and vote counts will take me like 20 minutes, nevermind actually reading them and understanding the context in which they were made. secondly, the whole of citi.zen's defence against caller makes no sense. claim arguments aside, there are so many inconsistencies in citizen's posts, whereas caller's at least kind of make sense in a clusterfuck kind of way. a bunch of that, no doubt, is due to citi.zen being new to the game. finally, the iaaan explanation. how can all this be true if iaaan-the-presumed-mafia brought it up? nukes aside, at this point mafia kp = townie kp, and we're permanently in lylo town. we cannot improve the situation unless we risk nukes, and with radiation levels as they are (and by my earlier estimates we are only four nukes away from ToD loss), it wouldn't be the best of risks to take. it looks like the plan was two-fold -- try and get caller lynched to win the game right there, or if that fails, try and get a lynch on a random townie later on. of course this could be a very elaborate distancing plan too, but i highly doubt that. however, even if that was the case, that doesn't alter the alignments of haster and citi.zen, who are both shoe-ins for red candidacy. likewise, if there are only three mafia, i guess this could explain it too. i do feel for mafia in that case as 3/22 is quite a tough setup to win with, even if each of you have a special ability The final thing i'd like to bring up is does this make sense? ALL OF THESE four candidates have been brought up as serious suspects in the past. their defences don't hold up, the claims are full of shit, the arguments are nonsense, the vote histories are against them and their behavior is tell-tale. honestly, i would have voted for caller's clusterfuck of a claim until citi.zen came in with the gem about his roleclaim and ability. and we almost certainly know, barring some epic mindgames, that caller and citi.zen are on different teams. Consequently, this makes caller (and as a result, d3) legit in my eyes, and the rest is history. at this point i am certain on citi.zen and haster, so we at least are going to make good progress there. for the last mafia or two, being split between lmnop, iaaan or both, that's going to be our next big decision. however if we're down to those two, i propose a simple course of action: use a lynch/nuke combo to get them both dead, as given the numbers, this will make it town victory. if there's a townie among them, they should support this so we nuke/lynch. if there isn't who cares what they say so we nuke/lynch. ##vote:citi.zen What's the matter, is that mafia squirming I hear? | ||
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On April 09 2010 00:36 ~OpZ~ wrote: Really? Damn...So add JeeJee to my vote for Citizen list... of course i would vote for citi.zen look at our track record, the one anti-town player we caught was because his role claim was inconsistent nikon claiming vet -> nuke reflected -> wtf? -> lynch nikon -> anti-town citi.zen claiming PGO -> no abilities -> wtf? -> lynch citi.zen -> ??? for the record citi.zen, if you're going to claim a special role in the future, at least make sure you say you have powers that a townie does not. | ||
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On April 09 2010 01:35 citi.zen wrote: ROFL - I wasn't even playing when the claim was made, how ca I have been inconsistent? When I started to play and someone asked, I confirmed that I can only nuke those who nuke me. Thanks for paying attention. Anyone want to nuke me? I can pretty much guarantee a draw. last i checked, you and infund have the same role, and you yourself said you're PGO. are you saying now that infund lied and you're in fact not a PGO? figure out your story already oh yes, the tod. squirm away! now that you have no chance to actually win, might as well make us lose too right? well, can't fault you there | ||
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doesn't really answer my question the fact remains, you, as in citi.zen, not you as in citizen/infundi, claim PGO but without PGO powers (evidently you have plain townie powers instead), then when i say that's inconsistent, you come back with "i didn't claim PGO so it's not being inconsistent!" huh? | ||
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On April 09 2010 06:28 haster27 wrote: With ~OpZ~ and Abenson changing his opinion, JeeJee seems to be most detailed post arguing for citizen lynch. Let me rip his arguments to shreds. Ok On April 09 2010 06:28 haster27 wrote: Argument about vote counts This argument also assumes that entire Mafia players chose to vote for one person three consecutive days. Seriously? I thought the most basic assumption about Mafia voting pattern was that they would try to avoid suspicion by spreading their votes as much as possible. Yes, they were all bandwagon votes, but RoL and Xelin bandwagon had so much steam going into it there was little reason for Mafia to all-in every time. Overall his repeated statement that four of us voted for same person over and over again is WIFOM. If you're going to throw MS terms around, at least educate yourself in what they mean. Your paragraph just states "they voted together but the first and second rule of mafia is mafia don't vote together, hence this is wrong!" Newsflash: this is WIFOM. To clarify, for those that are not as familiar In Mafia, WIFOM arguments are often a Scum tactic used to distract the Town. The scum will make an unusual play at night, which would lead to a situation that would 'clear' them (because players will think, "Why would a scum do that?"). These arguments are sometimes used by Newbies and should be avoided in favor of clearer arguments. I'm stating facts. You're saying "mafia wouldn't do that lol this can't be right". Welcome to WIFOM-town. On April 09 2010 06:28 haster27 wrote: Another specific flaw I found; JeeJee states that four of us created wagon against Nikon when only alternative lynch target was Caller- only for citizen and me to start Caller bandwagon very next day. What? If Caller also is Townie, why wouldn't we have followed the bandwagon suggested by confirmed Townie? Remember you said we are not following the bandwagon that has already formed, but started it. There must be motive for Mafia to start the bandwagon that goes against the argument of confirmed Townie, and therefore draw suspicion later on. If both Nikon and Caller is Townie, it is absolutely illogical for Mafia to continue their bandwagon against Nikon and Caller even when confirmed Townie is strongly arguing for alternative lynch target. A simple cursory look over the history will reveal something obvious about day 3 votes that you bring up 1) there were 4 votes on caller 2) EVERY SINGLE VOTER ABSTAINED, there are now 0 votes on caller. 3) large time extension via nukes 4) misc votes (few on caller again, few on nemy) 5) nuke reflection 6) enter your wagon Let's see, who to wagon on... Caller, for whom the voters weren't committed enough to stay on, nemy who had a few random votes or a lying claimer staring you in the face, asking to get called out on it (much like our dear citi.zen may i add). On April 09 2010 06:28 haster27 wrote: Argument against abilities If Mafia - Caller in this case because he is certainly Mafia if citizen is innocent - intended to start bandwagon against citizen, they might easily could have chosen to keep their nuke-stealer in check to further incriminate him. Absense of nuke steal proves nothing. I cannot even understand what you are arguing here. Citizen had his nuke stolen (because immobile three nukes are perfect nuke-stealer target), but cannot say it publicly because it proves his ability cannot NK the people visiting him? Um... didn't we get that verified when Caller claimed to have checked him? I feel like I did not completely understand your point here, so clarification is welcome. read closer. if citizen is townie (and apparently he gave up on claiming he has anything other than townie powers at this point), his 3 nukes are lying there waiting to be taken. why weren't they? Moreover, if you're going to try and "rip this to shreds", acknowledge the next paragraph: the fact that citi.zen lied about his claim. What is your take on this? On April 09 2010 06:28 haster27 wrote: Argument against setup "all we know is that there isn't five mafia": your entire argument hinges on this argument being true. I can only see you thinking Caller/~OpZ~/Abenson/d3/yourself are Townies, because otherwise I cannot see why you would make such statement with confidence. Let me state this means nothing. If Caller is Mafia he and d3_crescentia are no longer confirmed Townie. If so it is still possible there are five Mafia present in the game. Also, you berate laaan for never "[considering] the point that there might not be four mafia, but less", but did anyone ever express an opinion that there might be less than three Mafia previous to your post? Actually, my entire argument hinges on the fact that citi.zen lied about his roleclaim. Just like Nikon lied about his. 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On April 09 2010 09:11 ~OpZ~ wrote: JeeJee...The argument isn't the point. Ignore my vote for Caller. Ignore Abensons. I'm not discussing them. I've justified my intentions to him. Your claim rests on saying Infund/Citizen lied about their claims. Mine rests on Caller lying again. You say infund/citizen lied multiple times? Caller has lied too. For instance "Oh hai I'm israeli Cop, Meeples scum" "Nah sike, I'm JAPAN" "I don't have anyway of protecting myself from nukes!" Honestly, Caller's lied about everything at least once. Country, Role, Anti-nukes. Role, MAYBE by a slight possibility he only INADVERTENTLY lied. Oh I don't deny caller's claim is a clusterfuck of a situation in and of itself. I have stated this multiple times myself. But here's why I choose citizen over caller: citizen lied about his actual ROLE, whereas caller lied about his country and antinuke arsenal. As far as I know, what country you are has no bearing on anything, and lying about not having antinukes is a typical selfish move you can expect from any player of any alignment on day 1. There's much to be gained and nothing to be lost. On the other hand, saying you're X role, but actually have Y powers, well, that makes sense in very few scenarios. For example claiming triggerhappy when you're actually DT will deter mafia from hitting you. Check. Claiming PGO when you're actually supposed to be a townie makes no sense. But, here's a scenario that does make sense: claiming PGO when you're actually mafia, thus deterring DTs from visiting you. btw you mentioned caller has lied about his role. where was this? if this is actually true (i don't recall this off the top of my head but am ctrl+f'ing the thread right after this post) i may as well reconsider the whole thing because the one thing i held to so far is that at least caller hasn't lied about his actual role. | ||
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On April 09 2010 09:36 ~OpZ~ wrote: God thank you for re-posting this. JeeJee, of COURSE caller would claim AGAINST THE PGO. They can't Kill him AND win in one move. Why not just lynch him, because his role CANT BE VERIFIED. If you're scum, why not attack the one person who has the least evidence supporting him, while still having virtually NO EVIDENCE against him either. Although I did attack infund a while back....maybe someone should resurrect those posts....lol first i'm sad you ignored my post completely. i would advise you to address it pbp style, like I have done with yours. For infundi, actually you and myself have railed against him in the past, you doing your typical thing, and me calling him a possibly lurking mafia given the inactivity he has portrayed. But we can't have debate if you ignore my posts i'm afraid =/ | ||
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On April 09 2010 09:41 ~OpZ~ wrote: Having a restriction on when you can launch your nukes isn't being an actual townie. That's having a role that stops you from launching your nukes unless your nuked. Big difference between townies. Caller's logic is flawed on Iaaan's role. Nikon had a role related to nukes. I image our "One Shot Day Doc" had a role that related to nukes. RoL had a role that was related to nukes. And again, WHY WOULD CITIZEN/infund PUBLICLY argue they kill the person who comes to them at night. I wouldn't say that. Actually, our "one shot day doc" was simply a colorful name for a townie who had an antinuke at his disposal. I PMd Ace about this because i was freaked that we lost two doc's (L and BM) in the first day and there is no way there would be a third doc with 1kp mafia. The thing is, they have said it. By claiming PGO, you are claiming you kill people that visit you at night. Likewise, if I were to claim vigi, I claim I can kill a person of my choosing at night. Don't you think if I came out and said "Hey guys, I'm a vigi, my special power is voting during the day" it would look just a wee bit sketchy? A claim like that is lynch-worthy. Every time. Look at Nikon "Hey guys I'm a vet and my power is to.... reflect nukes? oops back to scumville I go" I'm really confused by your underlying motive to argue this. We have a false claimer in our hands and we're ignoring it? When is this ever a good play? | ||
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On April 09 2010 10:18 ~OpZ~ wrote: Sorry. My earlier quote didn't pop up. "Why wouldn't citizens nukes have been stolen? Because the mafia take him to be PGO. Caller claims the only person that mafia can't NK without dying is scum because his team can't NK him. So can we lynch Caller and get on with this game now?" Address this point. Would you tell the mafia you would kill your night visitor, when you have 3 nukes, and a nuke theif? I wouldn't. How about if you wanted to get hit? Go read infunds claim. He actually first comes out and says he has 3 nukes. That would draw a smack wouldn't it. We should of had Infund nuke our australian friend yesterday, (sry nemy). Hi Hi!!! HE CLAIMS!! Sry for that? Yep, that is his first claim. Then you FoS him and he returns the favor by changing his claim to PGO, quite possibly to try and prevent a DT visit to follow up on your FoS. Note that this was during the same day, so if his plan was to draw a nuke steal during the night, he must've abandoned it, n'est pas? Why? You're right, a rational townie wouldn't claim he would kill any night visitor in order to draw a nuke steal. So why did infund? p.s. i do hope you're writing up a reply to my original queries.. | ||
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On April 09 2010 10:29 JeeJee wrote: Yep, that is his first claim. Then you FoS him and he returns the favor by changing his claim to PGO, quite possibly to try and prevent a DT visit to follow up on your FoS. Note that this was during the same day, so if his plan was to draw a nuke steal during the night, he must've abandoned it, n'est pas? Why? You're right, a rational townie wouldn't claim he would kill any night visitor in order to draw a nuke steal. So why did infund? p.s. i do hope you're writing up a reply to my original queries.. also i'm really quite confused why of all people i'm arguing with a confirmed mason. citi.zen and caller are the ones that should be talking here | ||
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On April 09 2010 10:56 ~OpZ~ wrote: I posted my quote explaining WHY citizen would lie about his role. Then pointed out that Infund claimed PGO AFTER explaining he could only fire nukes as retaliation. Well after. Hunted the post down for you. On the hand hand, there was a nuke stealer you are ignoring, that I posted about earlier. Check the nested quote, Haster's post fuck up, made mine stay hidden. I thanked him for posting MY QUOTE. Caller didn't actually lie about his role, if you believe him to be DT. Inadvertently he may have lied is what I meant IF he is INFACT dt, by being Insane. No need to look. (I addressed most of those points in the post I figured, and addressed them in another post) you're not making any sense. your answer to why citi.zen would lie about his ability to kill people at night is to draw a nuke steal, correct? Here's the problem. He claims he has 3 nukes (enticing a nuke steal) but during the same day he claims PGO. If he wanted to entice a nuke steal, he should have waited with this claim until at least after the night, yes? Many other points you are missing by the way.. should i repost them? | ||
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On April 09 2010 11:04 ~OpZ~ wrote: Yes please be my guest. He claims it in the same day. I believe Caller should be posting and d3 damn sure needs to make his vote selection. I don't think he'll be on to change it, and this is a very important vote. ok. before i do though, i want to make sure we're on the same page with this point (can't believe i'm arguing with a mason but anywho..) you agree he claims it in the same day, great. therefore, he did not intend to entice a nuke steal, correct? then, what was the point of changing his claim? recall the circumstances: you FoS citizen, he replies with "I'm PGO". As a response to a FoS to deter DT followup on your FoS, this makes perfect sense. As a way to entice nuke steal it does not. Are we on the same page here? | ||
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On April 09 2010 11:20 ~OpZ~ wrote: Do remember no one has ever used PGO on here. It doesn't sound like a bull shit claim infund would of just made up. Right? But yes. We seem to be on the same page. Our arguments defer with whether or not we believe Caller to have visited the PGO at night. I say no. JeeJee...I really believe you to be confirmed. With the path you are going down is detrimental. I would love it if you nuked me right now JeeJee btw. I still have my retaliation on abenson, and I would love to have another retaliation on you. Abenson will probably be more capable of posting tomorrow, while I will not. This day needs to not end any time soon, and I myself would like two nukes in the air. as far as i recall, nobody has used a roleblocker role as well in TL mafia before this game. i believe zona's setup was the first one to use it (although i did miss quite a few games so i may very well be wrong). However, this isn't important. There's just one version of the roleblocker, and likewise there's just one version of PGO. If it were something else, it would be called something else, plain and simple. Also, that is not where our arguments differ. You explicitly stated you believe citi.zen lied about his role to entice a nuke steal. And the fact that his nukes weren't stolen you attribute to the fact that he claimed PGO. You can't have it both ways, pick one. THIS is where our arguments differ. To specify even further, my main argument for picking citizen over caller is that citizen lied about his role whereas caller did not (he did lie about a variety of other things however, which, as i've said, would make him my lynch target in an instant until citizen appeared). Moreover, citizen's lie fits right in with a mafia reaction to a FoS to deter DT checks. It does NOT at all fit in with a townie lie to entice a nuke steal. This is what I'm trying oh so desperately to convey to you, and you seem to be missing it. and yeah i'm ready to nuke whenever, although i believe we still have a fair amount of time I don't believe my judgment is wrong here. We have two people, quite likely but not necessarily on different teams, one of which is a lying roleclaimer, the other one is just confusing as fuck. In a lylo situation (unless it is 6-3 but i doubt it) i can't believe we are not lynching the confirmed lying roleclaimer. It does not get more scummy than this. Nikon demonstrated this much too accurately. please tell me you understand my position now and understand how yours is not correct wrt nuke stealing and citizen's excuse for lying. then we can move on to the other points. This is the most important though as citizen's lie is my whole basis for lynching him and if it is not fully understood, we're in trouble. | ||
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On April 09 2010 11:35 citi.zen wrote: For the sake of clarity, these are the posts Infund made about our ability: And finally: Nothing about not being DT check-able or able to kill any night-time visitor. There was no "second" role claim and no attempt to deter anyone from checking us. read the second quote. He says "my ability, called PGO btw, <random irrelevant stuff here>" In that very quote he changes his claim to PGO. and a PGO as is widely known, kills any night visitor anyway this is pointless now. if d3 gets modkilled, if he flips innocent, do we agree to lynch citizen? obviously if he flips mafia, caller's next, and it should be a cakewalk from there but i seriously doubt this is going to happen unless there are some serious mindgames going on that are way beyond my understanding. | ||
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we have confirmation that citizen lied. we do NOT have confirmation that caller lied (at least not yet). This is what boggles me the most here, that we are voting for a 'maybe' over a 'for sure'. let me elaborate -- citizen claims his ability is to counter nukes. Then he claims his ability is PGO. One of these is a lie. We know this. You bring up the point that he may have left out the piece about killing@night because he wanted to entice a nuke steal. I pointed out how this cannot be the case because he did not wait for night post before he changed his claim. also True...Citizen would of done better claiming his nukes were stolen. Smart boy, smart boy.... actually i believe this would paint him in an even worse light if it were possible -- after his claim of PGO, someone presumably visits him at night and does not die. This would just mean another lie. Townies have no reason to do the lies that citizen has made. The ONLY reason that I can see, you have outlined: enticing a nuke steal. However, the events that transpired after rule out this possibility completely. In fact, they actually fit in very well with a mafia choosing to claim PGO in order to stop your FoS from becoming a reality. maybe you actually nabbed a mafia there and caused him to panic? oh and finally, one nuke was stolen from me also, re: this latest replacement, i guess this means waiting for a d3 modkill isn't an option, so we are back to discussing citizen vs caller. i'm trying my hardest to explain my position, and i'm pretty sure my judgment is correct here. | ||
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to be honest i am not sure why the main person i'm mainly talking with is a confirmed mason of all people. you'd think citizen or caller would chime in and say something. after all, THIS LYNCH DECIDES THE GAME. i'm going to go to sleep, we have more than 9 hours until nuke right? if not i can nuke right now | ||
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On April 09 2010 12:58 citi.zen wrote: No - you do not know I lied. You assume it, based on what you think the definition of the paranoid gun owner is in some other game. Read every post myself or Inf made - we never claimed to have the ability to hit any night checker. Ever. Had we intended the role claim to be a deterrent for a DT you think we might have mentioned that part, no? Also, you claim you do not know Caller lied yet? So you think he is both Israel and Japan? And you find it rational for him to claim DT to "stay low and not be a mafia target"? Please explain to me how this laying low business works - I thought the mafia wants to kill DTs, no? The longer this is going on the more I think you are red. A rational person would not miss these simple facts and constantly try to distort them. reading the thread will prevent posts like these i'm afraid but as long as we're absolutely clear, i will adress this too, although I really shouldn't have to. However, at this time, nobody can afford being misinformed so I will lay this out too. first of all, understand the context in which this post was made. me and opz were debating about caller, and i had fully addressed my suspicions of his lies about his anti nuke arsenal as well as his country. would you like me to pull up the post? after this was taken into account, i stated, as I am stating here again, that the main reason I suspect you over caller is because you lied about your role whereas caller did not. (at this point actually opz brought up that caller may have in fact lied about his role too, but upon further inspection this was not the case -- if it were, my entire position would have to be rethought. I have already said many times caller's claim is sketchy and I would lynch him in an instant UNTIL you showed up. This is very important which is why I'm stating it for the umpteenth time so we're all on the same page here) The other bit about the PGO -- it is an assumption, and a perfectly valid one. Just as a vigi kills at night, so does a PGO kill his visitors. It is what the role is about. It's not just mafia scum. Every single mafia site agrees. ECNet: http://wiki.ecnet.org/wiki/Mafia Paranoid gun owner – If the paranoid gun owner is targeted at night for anything, whether it's a kill, investigation, or even protection, the paranoid gun owner must kill whomever targeted him Neoseeker http://wikiguides.neoseeker.com/wiki/The_Mafia_Game/Army_Veteran Perhaps a role used more frequently than the Army Veteran role, a Paranoid Gun Owner will automatically kill anyone that targets them at night for any reason, whether positive or negative. Mafiascum http://www.mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?title=Paranoid_Gun_Owner The Paranoid Gun Owner, similar to the Army Veteran, involuntarily kills anyone who targets him during the night, regardless of alignment. He can be a liability to the Town for this reason, as he indiscriminately kills Cops, Doctors, etc. Would you like me to keep going? This isn't a matter of opinion. You lied about your role. | ||
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Re: your latest post If infund indeed have been paranoid gun owner (Townie), you (Townie Detective) would have been killed. Thus your took unnecessary action that would have placed the Town in worse position. I don't claim to know what caller was thinking (this is why I'm urging him to post more, just like you), but he has already replied to this as well. His argument was something along the lines of "there could be no worse scenario because we are already in LyLo. the only worse thing that could happen at this point is a loss" whether you think that's a valid reason is up to you. he went into more detail a couple of pages back. please read the thread I shouldn't have to say this to a townie. | ||
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On April 09 2010 22:22 citi.zen wrote: Your entire argument is based on the belief that Infund lied when he mentioned the name Ace gave to his ability. It's impossible for me to justify something Ace did - he defined people's roles as he saw fit in this game. At the very least admit that neither me nor Infund explicitly claimed to have the ability to kill any night visitors. All we claimed, consistently, was to have the ability to retaliate. There was no explicit attempt to deter any DT from role-checking. I disagree. if I were to claim vigilante, I don't have to specifically claim that my role is killing people at night. There may be game-specific restrictions like I cannot kill on the first night, or can only kill twice or whatever, but either way I can kill people at night. Likewise for PGO -- by stating you are PGO, you are explicitly claiming your ability to kill any night visitor indiscriminately. maybe the restriction is you can only do it once then revert to townie (a popular variation) but the underlying mechanics is always there. as a sidenote to opz -- i have only been skimming you versus lmnop for the reason that if my judgment is correct here, there is at least one mafia between lmnop/iaaan, and very likely both of them are. am i reading this correctly, did he accuse you of being mafia? | ||
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actually lmnop does bring up an interesting point that not all masons need be townie aligned. i haven't considered this possibility at all based on behavior but will still see for completeness' sake how it affects the math, if at all (although tbh i don't think it will) | ||
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On April 10 2010 00:03 ~OpZ~ wrote: That's it? No opinion? No response to haster's post? Nothing?! Abenson has a mind of his own. Hence mine and his different votes. He followed my against JohnnySpazz, but every point he made was his own. Completely and totally. Are you honestly suggesting I am the mafia in the group or Abenson is? Let me remind you, I was about to die. I breadcrumbed HIS name. So if there is a mafia between me and him, it is HIM. But I don't feel that is the case. He saved Zona. I didn't urge this. I suggested to him Zona might be DT and he agreed. He even messaged it to Ace early, and said he tried to "un-antinuke" at one point because he wanted to save it. I just told him, Zona and Haster27 were the first to defend us when we claimed Mason. I figured we owed Zona one for this, but I didn't say that to him. I'm glad he did anti-nuke it though. And we both were betting he was the cop. Oops, he was Vigi...Guess we were wrong there... We also haven't been very far from each others opinions. We just haven't voted for the same targets. I'm against bandwagoning for the most part. So. Basically. If one of us is an EVIL MASON, it is him. But I don't feel that is the case. I feel we only were granted a tracker. No DT. No Bus Driver has stepped forward. So please. Please gosh jolly green fucking giant, PLEASE explain how Caller makes sense? i don't understand the hostile tone here, i have been polite. what haster's post? his explanation for the last minute nuke switch and extension? this is irrelevant to me, my position is clear and was explained well in advance of any of this. opinion of what? how does the bus driver fill into this? if i am right, bus driver is mafia, hence why would s/he step forward? I am really confused by this post here. . . I have explained my position as clearly as I can. ANY queries on my position that you have, I have answered. If anything else is unclear, feel free to ask. Unless someone wants to give me a rational townie explanation for why citizen lied about his roleclaim, I feel he is the better target here. Again, i'm quite confused.. I just stated I hadn't considered the possibility that a mason pair could have a mafia that's all, why did you get so hostile and defensive? I wasn't even accusing you of anything | ||
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On April 10 2010 00:24 citi.zen wrote: The vigilante comparison is not entirely fair, but yes, in the end I wish Ace would have chosen a different name for my ability. In the end it would be quite unfortunate it the town lost because of it. On another note - you continue to say Caller is being consistent. Please explain how his his claim that he was trying not to be a mafia target and lay low squares with claiming to be a cop, twice. Why did he think that would make him less of a target? to be fair, i'm not saying caller is being consistent. I'm saying he's the lesser of the 2 evils because at least he hasn't provably lied about his role in a way that doesn't make sense for a townie but does make sense for a mafia trying to dodge a FoS placed by opz or, would you like to pull up my relevant posts so that i may have a clearer idea of what you mean by saying "you keep saying caller is being consistent"? like i said, nobody can afford being misinformed here | ||
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On April 10 2010 00:50 citi.zen wrote: Is this in relation to Caller's cop claim? What are you replying to? apologies, should have quoted the post it was from opz, his last line: Do you also keep ignoring my calls for your role claim on purpose? | ||
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On April 09 2010 23:55 JeeJee wrote: to be fair i haven't gotten your clear stance on citizen's roleclaim lie. what do you make of it? at least answer this; i have done my best to explain my position as clearnly as possible. this still stands unanswered by opz, which irks me the most because this is what i base my whole argument on citizen's lynch about. it has been standing unanswered this entire time, even after i started ignoring all of my other points/queries in an effort to get your official stance on this one so there is no confusion with other points, yet somehow this still remains unanswered. please please PLEASE answer this. give me your official statement here. I have done my best to answer every single thing about my position and i believe i have done so. please return the favor by answering this one thing | ||
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if we're in lylo, lmnop has to be mafia, and if we're not, it's okay if we fuck up since it's not lylo? my question is, why do you ignore a lying roleclaimer in favor of someone who may not be mafia at all, just because if he isn't, we can make a mistake? do you realize this means this time next day will be the same except we will have one less townie arguing? and instead of 1/3 town being mafia, it will be almost half? @citizen i have all the answers to that post; i am surprised you misinterpretted my position yet again, but i have to run to a meeting. i will be back in 1hr10min +/-10min, well before any nuke deadline. so BE HERE | ||
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On April 10 2010 03:36 haster27 wrote: Where did lylo come from? I thought ~OpZ~ said LMNOP was Mafia no matter either citizen or Caller was lying, which makes him a perfect compromise. Hell, you even agreed he has to be Mafia if Caller is correct: Currently there are 4 Mafia 5 Townie. (44.4%) Next day there will be 3 Mafia 4 Townie. (42.9%) Where did 1/3 and half the Town argument come from? (unless I am failing at numbers again.) Moreover, the fact that Town has to vote together does not change, and getting four Townies to agree with each other will definitely be easier than getting five Townies to agree with each other. However, I agree with your statement that it is beneficial to get Caller/citizen issue resolved now- and I am eagerly waiting how laaan and d3_cresentia will place his vote. Hopefully it will be enough to break this stalemate. ok, again, you are not reading within the context. it is a useful skill to have, but not when you're trying to ensure nobody is misinfored, especially not in this situation. Read that whole post again. You will notice that those 4 have to be mafia under TWO conditions: 1) caller is telling the truth 2) we're in lylo if we are in 5-4 split, we have those 4 mafia, and we are in lylo if we are in 6-3 split, we are not in lylo, and two of iaaan/lmnop/haster is mafia the argument that opz put forward is regardless of the situation (and regardless of whether caller is a liar or not), lmnop has to be mafia and if he's not, we are not in lylo so we can afford to make a mistake. that means if we can afford to make a mistake we are in 6-3 situation, (here is where the 1/3 town comes from) and after that we would be in 4-3 lylo. make sense? i say the argument is silly because we have a lying claimer staring us straight in the face and you seem to be ignoring it! in favor of what? someone who may be mafia or may not (however if not, we can presumably afford to make the mistake) note: well, the above you is a you as in a general you, not a specific you. I'm expecting you (a specific you) to ignore it because you are on his team if my jugment is correct. the general 'you' refers to our shield re next: i believe d3 is the last non-voter writing up a post to address your original queries now.. | ||
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On April 10 2010 01:28 citi.zen wrote: Well, your argument is actually two pronged: you point out my role seems inconsistent with your view of the PGO. You also say this is more inconsistent than Caller's play, and that my claim only makes sense for a red, not a townies, as opposed to Caller's claims. You thus want to vote for me instead of him. Keeping this in mind, please answer this bit: first of all, one of the 'prongs' of my argument isn't that your role seems inconsistent with my view of PGO. no. again wrong. let me be perfectly clear. You claim ability X. then you claim role Y with ability Z. There isn't a matter of opinion or assumption here. I have outlined many times, google f'ing PGO if you so desire, i am tired of explaining this point for the umpteenth time. citizen has lied on his role, provably lied, and you don't give a damn. this isn't my view on PGO, this is definition of PGO. now, this lie (this provable lie) does not make sense if you are a townie. Period. it does make sense otoh if you are a mafia. this is why i am voting for you. and am upset i have only been able to convince iaaan of this fact. now onto caller's claims. again, i am distraught he isn't posting but that seems to be irrelevant now. his lies so far included lying about his country name and lying about his antinuke arsenal. both of these i have addressed and did state they look sketchy. however townies can lie with appropriate motive -- look at opz, he has lied several times and he's as good a townie as any, but this works because he had the right motive. however, citizen's lies DO NOT HAVE THE APPROPRIATE MOTIVE FOR IT from a townie point of view. moreover they are more severe and confirmed in the sense that he lied about his role. our track record indicates the only anti town player we caught was because he lied about his role! god damn i can't make it any f'ing clearer than this. and the worst part? opz has not addressed the very simple fact that citizen has provably lied about his role. this is what irks me and at this point this is the only thing i want him to answer. again i re-state: ##vote:citizen | ||
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On April 10 2010 01:28 citi.zen wrote: Well, your argument is actually two pronged: you point out my role seems inconsistent with your view of the PGO. You also say this is more inconsistent than Caller's play, and that my claim only makes sense for a red, not a townies, as opposed to Caller's claims. You thus want to vote for me instead of him. Keeping this in mind, please answer this bit: first of all, one of the 'prongs' of my argument isn't that your role seems inconsistent with my view of PGO. no. again wrong. let me be perfectly clear. You claim ability X. then you claim role Y with ability Z. There isn't a matter of opinion or assumption here. I have outlined many times, google f'ing PGO if you so desire, i am tired of explaining this point for the umpteenth time. citizen has lied on his role, provably lied, and you don't give a damn. this isn't my view on PGO, this is definition of PGO. now, this lie (this provable lie) does not make sense if you are a townie. Period. it does make sense otoh if you are a mafia. this is why i am voting for you. and am upset i have only been able to convince iaaan of this fact. now onto caller's claims. again, i am distraught he isn't posting but that seems to be irrelevant now. his lies so far included lying about his country name and lying about his antinuke arsenal. both of these i have addressed and did state they look sketchy. however townies can lie with appropriate motive -- look at opz, he has lied several times and he's as good a townie as any, but this works because he had the right motive. however, citizen's lies DO NOT HAVE THE APPROPRIATE MOTIVE FOR IT from a townie point of view. moreover they are more severe and confirmed in the sense that he lied about his role. our track record indicates the only anti town player we caught was because he lied about his role! god damn i can't make it any f'ing clearer than this. and the worst part? opz has not addressed the very simple fact that citizen has provably lied about his role. this is what irks me and at this point this is the only thing i want him to answer. again i re-state: ##vote:citizen | ||
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@citizen that doesnt make sense, whats stopping you from having nukes even if you're PGO? the only way we can prove that part of your ability is if you launch a nuke at someone, it turns out to be fake, then u retaliate vs someone and it turns out to be real either way opz asked me to target him so he has 2 retals to play with (vs me and vs abenson) its a real pain to post right now, pages take forever to load.. ima be back in ~2hr or so and address everything on non shitty internet. | ||
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On April 10 2010 06:33 citi.zen wrote: This is just to call you bull-shit. Since you are certain I am lying, you should have no fear to retaliate. Are we finally on the same page JeeJee? you seem so blind-sided by trying to prove me wrong, you have officially stopped making sense. first tell me what your nuking abilities have to do with your PGO role? second, what are you trying to do here? sure, ##nuke:citizen what do you think this is going to prove? | ||
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On April 10 2010 09:12 haster27 wrote: Oh shit. JeeJee, why in the world did you nuke citizen? Now he can throw another - but very real - retaliation nuke against you. I am not impressed at how nukes are suddenly messing up the entire discussion. no he can't, he's full of shit. | ||
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On April 10 2010 09:20 haster27 wrote: does it mean he literally can't, or he won't? I am fairly confident about the chance of lynching Caller, so citizen going kamikaze is the least thing I want. take it to mean whatever you want, the end result is the same. | ||
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On April 10 2010 09:21 ~OpZ~ wrote: IF we LYNCH LMNOP AND HE IS MAFIA, like I've proved, THEN THERE WE GO. We know Citizens color. Lynching LMNOP PROVIDES JUST AS MUCH INFORMATION as Caller, Citizen. do you understand why i've finally snapped some minutes ago? i am convinced, convinced you're a fucking townie, i have asked you this one question among many others, it wasn't answered. i have eliminated all the "many others" and focused on this one question, you haven't answered. i brought it up again, saying "please please PLEASE answer this" you reply. AND DON'T ANSWER IT!!! dude what the fuck? | ||
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On April 10 2010 09:44 ~OpZ~ wrote: JeeJee no has bold. Can not be real nuke. Do not, I repeat do NOT hit him Citizen. GOD FUCKING DAMN YOU GUYS. he's a fucking lying cunt, he can't do shit you want me to bold it? ##Nuke:citi.zen | ||
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On April 10 2010 09:48 haster27 wrote: The fact that he has launched fake nukes before, and toward ~OpZ~ today is another proof that nuke JeeJee launched is obviously fake. pop quiz: when did i ever launch a fake nuke? | ||
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On April 10 2010 09:49 ~OpZ~ wrote: As I've said before JeeJee. I DON'T CARE if Citizen is lying. Holy fuck. I've done explained it before too. Citizen has explained the same thing (although after my posts) that Ace could have just used it as FLAVOR. If he is telling the truth, FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU UUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU ACE. But....I've done explained LMNOP is lying. His death, opens up the world to us. Do you not understand that. I'm literally crying right now because you can't see that. I don't care about confirmed/unconfirmed role claims. You haven't even claimed. I just want LMNOP to die. LMNOP who has seemed like town most of the game, THROUGH HIS SUPPORT BEHIND CALLER. If LMNOP is mafia, CALLER is MOST LIKELY mafia. -_- you don't care that we have a confirmed roleclaimer of a liar? i'm done with logic. | ||
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On April 10 2010 10:01 ~OpZ~ wrote: no...you haven't launched one. I mean, truth, all mafia has to do is launch nukes at one townie...I guess I'll have to find a way to force a draw. I will launch another nuke right before I get hit. If I die and pop mason, haster, launch a nuke at citizen, and I Implore all other townies, if I die, nuke citizen, EVEN IF YOU DON'T HAVE NUKES. Citizen, retaliate one EVERYTHING, again, if I die. so you're telling me you think i might have real nukes? but i thought it was confirmed that my nukes were stolen. how else would i know about colombia? hell, how can i possibly know what hints ace leaves in his PMs, even if i was colombia? (i'm not btw) bada-bing, way to make sense. i'm done with you, you are definitely LVP. a fucking confirmed mason alive after so many nights? welcome to frown-town | ||
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On April 10 2010 10:08 haster27 wrote: Yes, I know your nukes are fake, and you are probably trying to muck up the debate by trying to get citizen to launch nukes. It will not work. However, it is important to set up contingency plans for all possibilites, right? That is pro-town. i repeatedly said citi.zen can't launch a fucking nuke if he wasn't so blindsided by the fact that i nabbed his red ass, he would see that nobody can retaliate on a retaliation nuke. and my nuke on him is just that. his backup plan of wanting to nuke someone else, and have me nuke him so he can retal doesn't make any fucking sense either because i already launched my daily dose of nuke at opz he's full of shit, and just scared because i've finally exposed him for the fraud that he is | ||
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On April 10 2010 10:09 flamewheel91 wrote: By the way guys, in case you didn't know JeeJee's nuke didn't go through... Ace said so through PMs. wait what? | ||
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props to haster you played really well imo. looks like we protted caller last night as well, since we thought if sk is gonna hit anyone, it would be him, but tbh i think we didn't even think there was an SK anymore? we knew haster was probably nuke thief though which was our reasoning for RB'ing you iirc (so u don't steal from say lmnop or caller) so so so disappointed in me dying though ... if i knew we weren't gonna get a flawless i might as well have sacrificed caller and had prot thrown at me, and not acted like an idiot through pretty much all of day 4. | ||
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actually, i was at work at the time I got the PM, and one of my co-workers is this geography savant or something, he just knows everything about everything wrt countries and stuff. I just asked him hey, which country is famous for cocaine and coffee? he told me colombia. didn't even have to google it xD | ||
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i got like none, aside from a few "wtf you're mafia? wp" after deaths oh yeah, this was my first game as mafia (well i was in tracil's but that one doesn't count) and i am quite happy with how it went ^_^ also god damn opz arguing with you was so annoying at some point i convinced myself there was a second mafia family and you had to be in it. seriously, you have some talent for directly replying to posts but not actually answering anything i ask oh and... so masons don't actually have any nuke switching ability do they? i forget exactly what happened but did opz just launch a real nuke early on and they had no more left? and last question@haster.. why of all people target me instead of caller? caller was pretty much duh-mafia, and if he flips, town will lynch d3 for you obviously, then all's candy. | ||
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epic quotes (filler text usually cut out) **initial plans** + Show Spoiler + [22 Mar 10 22:25] * ace * all im saying is [22 Mar 10 22:25] * ace * look at the power of your roles [22 Mar 10 22:26] * elemenope * what, we have nukes [22 Mar 10 22:26] * elemenope * that's all we need [22 Mar 10 22:26] * ace * and how hard it is for you to just straight out get raped by nukes [22 Mar 10 22:26] * shinbi * ace i think ur problem is [22 Mar 10 22:26] * caller * wtf i wanna nuke L [22 Mar 10 22:26] * shinbi * u think we're good at mafia [22 Mar 10 22:26] * shinbi * but we just wanna nuke shit [22 Mar 10 22:26] * caller * i agree [22 Mar 10 22:26] * ace * I know  **discussing night kills and random roletalk -- night 1** oh and meeple snipe reasoning is in here. at least my take on it, lmnop had a different reason iirc + Show Spoiler + [14:32] elemenope: anyway, what I'm thinking of is prot-me, kill-meeple, rb-whoever [14:32] shinbi: no [14:32] shinbi: we have a problem [14:32] elemenope: what [14:32] shinbi: or rather [14:32] shinbi: an issue worth discussing [14:32] shinbi: i talked to ace-- it matters WHO sends in the kill [14:32] shinbi: becaus that person is doing hte killing [14:33] shinbi: this leads me to believe there is like a triggerhappy or a tracker role in the game [14:33] elemenope: so we'll have caller do it [14:33] elemenope: easy pz [14:33] shinbi: tbh i think meeple is DT, but if he's not [14:33] shinbi: why not have you do it? [14:33] shinbi: if you hit a triggerhappy, you have medic prot [14:33] elemenope: wouldn't that bypass medic prot? [14:34] shinbi: i dunno [14:34] shinbi: i don think it should [14:34] shinbi: otoh if it uses up a medic prot and like SK hits u then u'll still die [14:34] shinbi: so maybe we're just better off using caller [14:34] elemenope: yeah [14:34] elemenope: we'll just have caller do it [14:35] shinbi: ok [14:35] shinbi: btw the reason i think meeple is dt is cos [14:35] shinbi: before L died he had like 35 posts [14:35] shinbi: after L died he had like 2 [14:35] shinbi: maybe he's thinking " o shit no more medix for me" [14:35] shinbi: [14:35] elemenope: yeah **during discussing of the insane-dt-bussed-onto-dead-guy plans** + Show Spoiler + [31 Mar 10 21:53] * caller * i should totally claim tracker [31 Mar 10 21:53] * caller * and claim i tracked fishball [31 Mar 10 21:53] * caller * and saw him hit meeple [31 Mar 10 21:53] * shinbi * SO MAFIA HAS A ROLEBLOCKER AND A BUS? [31 Mar 10 21:53] * ace * lmao [31 Mar 10 21:53] * shinbi * i find that hard to believe [31 Mar 10 21:53] * shinbi * that's fucking imba as fuck [31 Mar 10 21:53] * elemenope * FUCK WHAT YOU FIND HARD TO BELIEVE [31 Mar 10 21:53] * elemenope * THIS IS WORLD AT WAR [31 Mar 10 21:53] * ace * somehow [31 Mar 10 21:53] * ace * I see this ending very badly [31 Mar 10 21:56] * caller * so what did i do [31 Mar 10 21:56] * shinbi * go claim you got bussed [31 Mar 10 21:56] * shinbi * from nikon [31 Mar 10 21:56] * shinbi * to meeple [31 Mar 10 21:56] * caller * as a dt [31 Mar 10 21:56] * shinbi * yes [31 Mar 10 21:56] * elemenope * Yes [31 Mar 10 21:56] * caller * and on top of that im paranoid/insane [31 Mar 10 21:56] * shinbi * as a, you've found out, insane dt [31 Mar 10 21:56] * caller * lol ok [31 Mar 10 21:56] * caller * this seems highly implausible [31 Mar 10 21:56] * caller * and is going to get me killed [31 Mar 10 21:57] * d3_crescentia * yes. [31 Mar 10 21:57] * caller * but i like it [31 Mar 10 21:58] * shinbi * for the record, i think the bus claim is fucking stupid as fuck-all. and is going to get caller killed after the bus claim worked, it all kind of generated into random lulz and shit so i don't really have much to post aside from elemenope making fun of my bottles oh and one final excerpt for flamewheel commenting on elemenope's wall of text posts.. this was our take + Show Spoiler + [25 Mar 10 23:23] * shinbi * you realize i hope [25 Mar 10 23:23] * shinbi * nobody reads them [25 Mar 10 23:23] * shinbi * even i didn't [25 Mar 10 23:23] * elemenope * yeah I know [25 Mar 10 23:23] * elemenope * but when somebody says something [25 Mar 10 23:23] * elemenope * I'm just like [25 Mar 10 23:23] * elemenope * hey douche bag [25 Mar 10 23:23] * elemenope * I addressed this here [25 Mar 10 23:23] * elemenope * fucking read next time [25 Mar 10 23:23] * shinbi * LOL [25 Mar 10 23:23] * ace * lmao again thanks for the game ace, was lulz ^^. based on M.A.D. from MS i guess? edit @haster oh right. cuz i knew my nuke didn't go through, i was just screwing with the town during pages 115-116. i forgot that kind of revealed that i'm mafia and should've requested prot.. oh well | ||
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On April 11 2010 12:14 Elemenope wrote: If the bus claim wasn't thrown in, admit it: we would've lost. Just admit it right here 6 bottle shinbichan. stfu no it was only 2 bottles also after this game i have no idea how to do post analysis for mafia anymore at least for the first 2 days i was just posting whatever pro-town shit i would post normally just a bit more active cos i had a role. it doesnt really affect mafia unless a mafia's a target of popular opinion which given the odds they probably aren't. so i have no friggin' clue how people like mbh are so damn good at it. | ||
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On April 11 2010 13:38 ~OpZ~ wrote: No....Iaaan afk'd our way to loss...Even switching to LMNOP we coulda won if Iaaan was on and trusting me -_- tbh, there was no way you would have lynched any mafia that day. if lmnop/caller were actually in danger of getting lynched, we were gonna have d3 play the "lol im too busy but lets make it fun ##nuke:opz" card, drawing out an anti-nuke if there is one, and have caller/lmnop throw down real nukes after cuz we needed 2 to land for victory. i guess if we had done that during day4 we would've had that flawless which i oh so wanted, but decided to go with nolynch and do the nuke plan after as then we would only need 1 of the nukes to hit, so less risk in that sense. of course i ended up dying so both would've had to land anyway.... oh well come to think of it, did u guys even consider this when launching the nukes? were u so certain both were gonna land due to some new info or were you under the impression that we still needed only one? i was sleeping so i wasn't part of the decision making process there i mean i think flamewheel wasnt aware as he said it's gonna be gg as soon as one of the nukes lands which wasn't true actually, needed both. but yeah, fill me in? durr nvm im stupid ignore the above | ||
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cuz they knew there was sk so there were only 3 townies yes. makes sense actually coulda been vigi whatev | ||
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On April 11 2010 15:38 Elemenope wrote: I had asked Flamewheel what his definition of majority was, and he said if we had 3-3, then we would win. I had waited until Caller was online before sending in our night actions anyway to ensure that we had 2-3 regardless. And since no anti-nukes were used previously, I was sure both were going to hit unless some townie decided that saving nemy would be an awful idea. aka You're dumb, 6 bottle more on Tiny fgt. if you were so sure both were gonna hit why didnt u agree to do this on day4 u fagling you just wanted me to die didn't you? edit: On April 11 2010 13:58 L wrote: He gets leaked lists of all the roles, for starters. hmm? maybe you are referring to another game, maybe not, but the one i remember, i afk'd out like the townie everyone hates, and instead decided to spectate, knowing who the mafia were, so when mbh posted his "Furious Five" or whatever, getting 5/5 iirc, i was just rofling and shaking my head wondering how he did it.. it was a clue-based game and i remember scooter was one of the mafia if it helps narrow it down apparently it was TLM5 seriously i'm re-reading TLM5 and i just don't get it. halp? | ||
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On April 11 2010 23:55 haster27 wrote: JeeJee// actually, if d3 launched his nuke, I would have immediately nuked you also before 24 hours were up. Then situation would be 4-5 to 3-4, but ToD raised up to 8. Since ToD was 9, all the nukes would have been frozen at that point. ~OpZ~// I just didn't want to give a speck of suggestion that tipped Mafia off of my ability lol. Also, you kept blasting me about being Mafia while you kept JeeJee, obvious scum, sliding, so I just decided to NK him and agreed with your points in order to mollify you. depends how the timing would've worked out of course, if caller/lmnop nuked before you then it's irrelevant, if you nuked before them, then everyone would have lost (stop calling it a tie btw, a tie implies not losing )@ver, i forget exactly, i think i just asked someone and agreed not to ruin the game if they told me. iirc i wanted to see what the mafia side was all about as i'd never been mafia before at the time and its hard to learn playing one side all the time | ||
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