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"I am so hip, even my errors are correct" X_X Hope you win town. | ||
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On March 28 2010 13:43 tree.hugger wrote: And you read all of my arguments so fast! + Show Spoiler + Oh wait, you totally ignored them, and posted anyway. Why am I not surprised? Actually I was probably his biggest supporter because he was so obviously town it was disgusting...Now I've pretty much decided to Nuke you, but I just want to read the rest of the thread, ya dig? | ||
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On March 28 2010 18:16 Zona wrote: (part 4) I really think Versatile really stepped out of line, and tree.hugger/Xelin to a lesser extent, but with recent developments I really don't think we should immediately lynch or revenge-nuke them, simply because of the reality I described in the earlier parts. What happened to my earlier stance on revenge-nuking? Revenge-nuking at this point in the game just opens more opportunities for the original nuker to launch more nukes, which we want to avoid. So at least for now, let's not revenge-nuke. How about lynching our nukers? Actually, I'm rather on board for a Versatile lynch since she's launched more nukes than our other nukers and shows no sign of stopping. But there are so many hours before we can make our the next lynch, we might as well see what develops before we make our decision. Maybe someone else will show even more significant signs of being a mafia member in the hours to come. Our next lynch IS a long time away (real-life time), so I'm not going to commit my vote just yet. (part 5) I don't suggest following L's plan even if he was town. As I stated earlier, the town has the least amount of information early game and the highest chance of picking the wrong suspects, so hold your fire. (Plus L was totally wrong in most of his calls that he made without relying on DT-check last game.) However I do support keeping an eye on the suspects he has indicated, as now that we know he's town, his list of suspects are free of mafia bias. (It doesn't necessarily make his suspect list ACCURATE, though.) Summary: As a town, we have the least amount of information early in the game, so we should be slow to kill. As we gain more information and our suspicions become more solid, then it could possibly (but not necessarily) be useful for the town to kill more quickly. As a town, our lynch for the day is already completed. The only thing we can do now is either: - Wait - Launch more nukes I am against launching more nukes - so let's wait and see what happens. Part 4? Your seriously advocating keeping Xelin and tree.hugger alive? L had a serious point that I whole heartedly agreed with on tree.hugger. And Xelin pretty much guaranteed himself death, and we might as well kill him to see if Elemenope was being nuked by mafia. Why so scummy right there Zona.... | ||
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You don't simply say X or Y is the right choice in a vacuum, you compare all the possible steps the town can take to each other and choose what is best. Leaving them alive sucks - but what is the alternative? Nuke them so they can launch even more nukes? You could put them on a queue to lynch one after another - but we really shouldn't fix in place steps that we will take so far in the future. There's so much that could happen to change our view of the situation between now and then. If you think I'm scummy just for thinking through the situation thoroughly, I'm truly disappointed. | ||
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On March 28 2010 21:21 Zona wrote: we really shouldn't fix in place steps that we will take so far in the future. There's so much that could happen to change our view of the situation between now and then. Just so my post doesn't get misconstrued, let me elaborate on this part. Between now and then, we'll get more cardflips, more discussion, and perhaps some players will gain information during the night as well. We'll have much more to work with before we approach the next lynch, let alone one or two lynches beyond that. | ||
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(I'm NOT saying they're town. I'm saying that their claims that they will not nuke again are not trustworthy.) | ||
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You were also the one who pointed to lynching RoL. I understand he was inactive Versatile...I know Iaaan's made some super scummy ass posts...Consistently advocated letting the nukes on L land. I think I'ma go see if he commented on Caller's nuke... On March 25 2010 09:58 Iaaan wrote: @haster27 I think we should let his nuke hit Caller. There isn't really any reason not to, its not like losing him is a big loss, we shouldn't waste our anti nukes, and we get more information. I doubt RoL is mafia (of course he still has to be lynched), so I think that it is better to let the nuke hit. And big lol at Abenson for coming to vote for RoL and not saying anything about opz. How stupid can you get? If you are masons you need to confirm it. If you aren't, we need to know to. Saying nothing just makes us think your even stupider, you have an easy opportunity to be useful, and you just ignore it. Okay...Well...This tells me that if Caller is mafia, Iaaan isn't (unless he knew Japan would save). I think believing the first part of that is more likely.... Xelin also supported Caller being Nuked On March 25 2010 10:41 XeliN wrote: I say let it fly. Also on page 27 they both advocate letting the nuke fall again, within a very short amount of time of each other. Infun hasn't posted too much. On March 25 2010 15:36 meeple wrote: Well... as this game goes on, that much is becoming more clear. It took some desperation to get a majority vote, so getting everyone to agree on a nuke is tough in any case. I'd like to urge people to rethink their votes. For me... I'm going to change my vote to ##vote tree.hugger He has very few posts in the thread, and they center around lynching L because he'll be inactive. More than anything, I want him to step up and post more and defend himself. Before L was unbanned, Meeple noticed tree.hugger voted for L and fought for it because L would be inactive. Funny isn't it? I think Meeple is town aligned. On March 25 2010 15:54 Zona wrote: Thank you for that response to the latter part of my post, meeple. Please respond to the middle portion which I will repost here. I see no good reason for you to delay naming your "obviously better targets" based on criteria other than being inactive, so perhaps you could kindly name them now? The biggest strike against tree.hugger seems to be that he hasn't posted much, along with the vote for L without a post to back it up. It will give the town the benefit of your analysis and show how I was mistaken to focus on inactives. Please do recall that I pointed out RoL when he only had 3 posts, all of them content-free. Huh? HI AMBER!!!! On March 23 2010 23:08 Amber[LighT] wrote: ^^ All this bio-chemical warfare. We should go for the ez kill then and go for L if he's going to be inactive anyway. Any other target would be foolish at this point, unless someone thinks there's any reason to suspect anyone else. ##vote L Elem supports keeping L alive, note this On March 23 2010 19:01 Elemenope wrote: He still has time to contribute or cast a vote. It'll require a nuke to go off though. Which kind of contradicts what the few of us who are up have been saying though =\ JeeJee too! On March 23 2010 23:25 JeeJee wrote: also why the fuck are you voting for L? sure he will be afk for 2 days, but when has L's activity ever been a problem in mafia? as soon as he's unbanned, he'll hop right back in. Let me point this post out, as my position on Caller, he came up with the idea to prolong days, and give L a chance to get into the game, without getting bussed originally. On March 24 2010 00:55 Caller wrote: Well guys, in case nobody noticed, before we can lynch anybody, a nuke has to be launched, or day won’t end. Seeing as how nobody else has been an obvious target, I propose that we "nuke" L this turn around. As town, we need more information, and the best way of getting information is by killing a few people. For instance, we don’t have any idea what possible roles there are, aside from our own. More importantly, he won’t be able to contribute to town for a good 40 or so hours. By which, of course, the day would have ended, timewise, unless we nuke somebody to postpone it another 24 hours. And if necessary, we can always delay the day by nuking someone that’s already being nuked, or somebody without any nukes can launch a “nuke” to prolong the day. In fact, the best way to go about this is for somebody without any actual nukes to nuke L. This will postpone the day and give us a lynch without raising ToD or killing L in the event he is town. Since a nuke has to go off to progress the day at all, a fake nuke at this point would be the best. We should save our real nukes for when we need them. Nikon says he doesn't think killing L too quickly would be a good thing. And points his FoS at Caller....(he quoted Caller's above post in this post) On March 24 2010 01:07 Nikon wrote: Let's not nuke anyone just yet, shall we? While I disagree with L's general plan of nuke retaliation, killing him quickly may prove to be hurtful in the long run, ESPECIALLY if we use nukes. Going towards the ToD so fast isn't good. Your post is pretty suspicious. And having a player without nukes nuke him? That's not going to accomplish anything, since nuking anyone isn't required to end the day in the first place. P.s. Zona keeps suspicion going at caller on pages 10 and 11. Tree.Huggers vote for L On March 24 2010 03:04 tree.hugger wrote: As per the typical Mayor decision to lynch the most inactive person, I say we should just lynch L, and avoid the eventual abrasive spam that will descend on this thread in two days time. ##vote L Versatile (jack ass) Abenson(mason) are the next to vote for L...I shoulda whopped him for that -_- Then JohnnySpazz...(green) Hi Hi Iaaan!! He might be a townie afterall!! Honestly, my suspicions of Iaaan occur later, in pages numbered 40- 55 I think. It's just how his posts are speaking I think. On March 24 2010 08:27 Iaaan wrote: Bullshit, your just hopping on the bandwagon because L called to get you lynched. Revenge voting is stupid. Everyone bandwagoning on L needs to stop, he will be back before day 2, and by killing someone without any posts, what information do we get as town? none. We can lynch L after he comes back if he is action scummy/stupid, it is a waste to do it before. He has contributed with a plan and will be active when he is back. If you think that the day 1 lynch is a crapshoot, your right, but voting for someone just because they are banned for a little bit, especially when they have been actively posting content is retarded, there are plenty of other people who haven't contributed, and who obviously wont bring in any content to the game. Therefor, I am voting for Abenson. Its between him and johnnyspazz who are hopping on the bandwagon. Bandwagonning is scummy, Mafia would love to get someone else killed asap to protect themselves an be able to pass the blame for it, that is the only reason I can think of for voting L without posting any real reasons of, other than just being bad. Think for yourselves, and if your going to follow someone elses ideas, at least choose good ones. ##vote: Abenson I'm just going to leave Fishball's post up to someone else...I can't even see his intentions at all. Lol. He didn't wanna argue with L, but it's obvious by this point L's getting quite the amount of votes. On March 24 2010 09:13 Fishball wrote: ##Vote: L Ironically, I don't like retaliation. Or do I? So Iaaan starts defending L rather swiftly...and BAM here comes, you guessed it, the all knowing tree.hugger...Rather scummy. On March 24 2010 09:43 tree.hugger wrote: Don't let L's reputation for being frightening and wrong discourage you. His guesses haven't gotten better over time, and I doubt a two day break will help his logic sober up. That man should never be let near a blinking red button, take him out. Also the 'or worse' clearly means a kind of 'Dr. Strangelove' doomsday device. Purity of Essence, remember, PoE, PoE, Purity of Essence.... + Show Spoiler + On March 24 2010 11:49 Iaaan wrote: Going back a few pages... Sup, North Korea, I hope you aren't still hoping to throw all those nukes around, or maybe you will be the one to lynch day 1. I like your posts, but make sure you are clear. I can see why people are voting for you, need to be less ambiguous. ^_^ Haha...N.K. comment... Another confirmed townie votes for L On March 24 2010 21:41 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: I will be later tonight and can read everything, but at the moment I don't have time. I have class 10-6 EST but can read after that. I will vote for L just in case I don't get back in time. ##I vote for L Now...this post comes at what I'd like to consider a more crucial time...and D3 hasn't said much so this is a little out of place...Abenson and me were gaining votes, and now would be a good time for the mafia to start voting L. He was still, or was almost, the vote leader at the point. On March 25 2010 01:06 d3_crescentia wrote: Lunchtiem. Don't really feel too strongly for anyone right now, though I'd rather vote L than Abenson, because L could dick over the town way harder. Abenson, well, doesn't really *do* anything so we can lynch him anytime. ##vote L I role claimed around this time, and then Zona jumps to my aid...LMNOP was trying to still get Abenson lynched or atleast considers it an option still...so its kinda weird here...-_-...I dunno...And Xelin comes to my aid...weird... On March 25 2010 07:28 XeliN wrote: I'm going to ##vote Elemenope . He has contributed alot and from what I have read I don't see how it is possible that he would argue for lynching one of OpZ and Abenson, now we know they are confirmed, from a pro-town perspective. Other than that I would switch to voting for the least active poster if it means getting a majority. I'll post a little more on the importance of most of this. Versatile (? Jack ass?) JohnnySpazz (Green)) Abenson (blue) ~OpZ~ (Blue RoL (Blue/Green) Tree.Hugger (Nuked L (medic) without agreement) Fishball ( -_- ) Might be missing a few, very tired....2 hours of sleep. And hung over. This is my composition of notes for you all to see...Lots of posts sifted through to find out what about this L situation went down....and now I'm mildly disappointed... I propose Fishball be DT checked tonight, if their is a role with night role checks. | ||
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On March 28 2010 21:30 Zona wrote: Also - as for believing that they have no more nukes left or will hold back from nuking any further...if you're going to believe that, why not believe they're town? (I'm NOT saying they're town. I'm saying that their claims that they will not nuke again are not trustworthy.) No...more the fact you were one of the people willing to let someone I confirmed die by lynch...And the stance as in putting Caller back at the top of suspects. Believe me, I'm sure no ones forgotten Caller hasn't posted in probably 25 pages. But look how many of our suspects supported letting Caller get merc'd by the nuke? Sure that coulda been a scum ploy to pretend it and then knock it out at the last minute, but I think the mafia woulda anti-nuked it a little later than that. | ||
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On March 28 2010 22:41 ~OpZ~ wrote: No...more the fact you were one of the people willing to let someone I confirmed die by lynch... Wat. Who did you confirm that I voted to lynch? Plus interesting you rage at tree.hugger and Xelin but not Versatile - why this discrepancy? | ||
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iNfuNdiBuLuM: 31 JeeJee: 30 Iaaan: 29 meeple: 28 Fishball: 26 Amber[LighT]: 26 Nikon: 18 d3_crescentia: 14 nemY: 13 Abenson: 12 Caller: 12 Phrujbaz: 2 A summary of posts from three of them...I'll go through more later: d3_crescentia - agrees with part 1/4 of plan, but not 2/3: has a problem with nuking those who nuke first, as they can nuke back, posts a guess at the math behind the game setup votes L - "don't feel too strongly for anyone" "rather vote L than Abenson because L could dick over the town way harder" votes RoL post-nuke surprised that Zona isn't posting more, Xelin claimed to be NKorea supports the idea that anti-nukes are more valuable in the endgame nemY - asks for a summary of what's gone on so far calls out infundi for "feigned ignorance", against votes for L voted for BM "for the same reason as caller" - caller's reason was that he doesn't trust BM with nukes calls out those voting for L voted RoL because "he broke the rules" why not nuke tree.hugger because of "personal vendetta against L" Nikon - agrees with lynch the nuker plan, disagrees with L's plan to retaliate with nukes votes OpZ after calling out Zona and OpZ for voting to lynch Phrujbaz when he was most likely to get modkilled for inactivity votes Abenson saying Abenson voted L "without having much of a reason" and OpZ unlikely to be lynched states that 3 masons makes sense in a 22-player game votes RoL after OpZ claims mason for Abenson points out the rules indicate something worse might happen beyond anti-nukes a one-sentence argument against L's idea that the anti-nuker (for caller) should claim acuses BM of being the third mason None of the three I've looked at so far have really brought any significant ideas to the table. Something for future reference. | ||
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proposes fake nuking L retracts his statement as people point out he interpreted the rules incorrectly replies to a long chain of quotes saying something isn't WIFOM, but is a scumtell (as far as I can tell he's referring to Fishball's post, but it's ambiguious to me) votes OpZ "because his quotes are pissing me off" votes BM because he doesn't trust BM with nukes asks that someone anti-nuke the nuke headed towards him Caller has brought zero original ideas to the table, and of his dozen posts, half of them are fluff. | ||
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but just to be complete, his stuff includes: votes L because he's temp-banned suspects xelin and haster27 for voting him unvotes L "since his ban is almost up" votes RoL post-nuke well, he does finally "confirm" that he's masons with opz and suggests lynching johnnyspazz | ||
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On March 28 2010 23:01 Nikon wrote: I just love it how everyone points me out as a not very active poster. What do you want me to do on the first day? Post your plans, comments on plans, who you're suspicious of, what actions seem anti-town, etc. Plus posting isn't just to add to the discussion, but to allow the town to get a read on YOU. If you don't give us anything to work with, lurker scum can use you as someone to hide among. If you're town, that is. On March 28 2010 23:01 Nikon wrote: It's not like we had any info up to now, thanks to you high post count guys going apeshit insane and leveling a good portion of the population. Excuse me if I don't spam up the thread because I don't want to get nuked by you crazy sobs. One, we do have information we can work with, even though day 1 information isn't solid. We have 4 cardflips, we have one votelist, and we have a substantial amount of discussion, including plans and discussion about upcoming lynches (and some players have proposed revenge-nukes). And of course the launched nukes. Feel free to comment on it. Two, way to generalize about us and attribute nuking to the many of us who are posting a lot yet NOT nuking. And about not wanting to get nuked...play to help your team win, not necessarily to survive the longest. | ||
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On March 28 2010 22:41 ~OpZ~ wrote: And the stance as in putting Caller back at the top of suspects. Just so that no one actually considers this version of events as the correct interpretation - note that my posts have me stating that Versatile is my top candidate for the next lynch, if no new information surfaces. On March 28 2010 22:41 ~OpZ~ wrote: But look how many of our suspects supported letting Caller get merc'd by the nuke? Sure that coulda been a scum ploy to pretend it and then knock it out at the last minute, but I think the mafia woulda anti-nuked it a little later than that. Are you saying that just because the "suspects" (who we do not currently know the alignment of) were against anti-nuking the nuke towards Caller that he's town? Now note that I haven't declared that he surely is mafia - I've just pointed out his behavior is incredibly unusual - but two things to note: One, there's no reason to heavily consider the "suspects" actions in relation to Caller until we're sure about the alignment of the "suspects". If we do find out they're scum, or town, then we can use this information. Also, if the mafia did have anti-nukes and if Caller was mafia, fellow mafia could say anything to the town about not saving Caller and there would be no problem for them. Right now you probably have the most town credibility now since you went out of your way to claim masons to save Abenson. Since this move has very little benefit if you were really scum and lying (why associate yourself with Abenson), but has some benefit if you are telling the truth (prevent a townie from being lynched), I would say that it paints you in a more townie light. Try not to spread bad ideas with your position. | ||
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Sigh. Well that's not under my control. | ||
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And shit, my list was wrong, I forgot to put Amber on it. Amber -argued ostensibly for lynching L almost solely on inactivity, with meeple and Iaaan arguing consistently for his being saved. My talking about the connections with Caller...Well the whole point is, if caller flips, then we get to see a much bigger piece of the puzzle. I would, if that were the case, instantly believe you were a townie. I would have much more faith in Iaaan. I'm not saying I want to lynch Caller, but we got about four days to figure it out. How nice. Also, Versatile should not be at the top of our lynch list imo. Since BM's nuke was a fake, its pretty solid to assume that since near her death she posted and repeated her content. This is an extremely pro-town move. Oh, one more thing...Wtf nikon just comes outta no where? God damn, anyone got a comsat? -_- Oh, and seriously, Abenson...he's kinda new. I didn't say anything about haster, because he screams pro-town. Down to every idea. So does JeeJee. If they are mafia, they are very convincing. | ||
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