World at War Mafia - Page 15

On April 08 2010 14:31 Elemenope wrote:
All I can say is:




rage much?

I don't know who to put my vote on. On one hand, we have Caller who has been relatively inactive and seemingly full of scum. Yet with this claim and the night kills up until now, his action does seem to make sense. If he seemed like a viable lynch target, why would mafia bother to hit him if they can get the town to waste a lynch by lynching him? Unless someone wants to directly counter his claim with a Japan claim.

Then we have Citi.zen/infund who claimed Paranoid Gun Owner, but then says that the role consists solely of nuke-retaliation, which means the main point around the PGO ability has been taken out - hence, it shouldn't even be called PGO anymore.

I'm more leaning that citizen/infund were lying because of that role point. Nikon claimed Veteran, was caught in a lie, and he ended up anti-town. China's ability to launch only retaliation nukes doesn't even seem like a PGO claim at all, I don't see why infund/citizen would claim as such unless it was to avoid night checks which can make sense. The whole nuking thing just seems more of like a nuke restriction, similar to a post restrictions in other games: just to be a hindrance for the person.

I'll see what happens though for a bit since a nuke is in the air and we have a bit of time to mull things over.

On April 09 2010 04:05 citi.zen wrote:
Caller is mafia. You I think are just playing poorly but very likely town. The rest I don't not know with any certainty.

On April 09 2010 04:05 citi.zen wrote:
Caller is mafia. You I think are just playing poorly but very likely town. The rest I don't not know with any certainty.

On April 09 2010 06:28 haster27 wrote:
With ~OpZ~ and Abenson changing his opinion, JeeJee seems to be most detailed post arguing for citizen lynch. Let me rip his arguments to shreds.

Argument about vote counts
This argument also assumes that entire Mafia players chose to vote for one person three consecutive days. Seriously? I thought the most basic assumption about Mafia voting pattern was that they would try to avoid suspicion by spreading their votes as much as possible. Yes, they were all bandwagon votes, but RoL and Xelin bandwagon had so much steam going into it there was little reason for Mafia to all-in every time. Overall his repeated statement that four of us voted for same person over and over again is WIFOM.

Another specific flaw I found; JeeJee states that four of us created wagon against Nikon when only alternative lynch target was Caller- only for citizen and me to start Caller bandwagon very next day. What? If Caller also is Townie, why wouldn't we have followed the bandwagon suggested by confirmed Townie? Remember you said we are not following the bandwagon that has already formed, but started it. There must be motive for Mafia to start the bandwagon that goes against the argument of confirmed Townie, and therefore draw suspicion later on. If both Nikon and Caller is Townie, it is absolutely illogical for Mafia to continue their bandwagon against Nikon and Caller even when confirmed Townie is strongly arguing for alternative lynch target.

Argument against abilities
If Mafia - Caller in this case because he is certainly Mafia if citizen is innocent - intended to start bandwagon against citizen, they might easily could have chosen to keep their nuke-stealer in check to further incriminate him. Absense of nuke steal proves nothing.

I cannot even understand what you are arguing here. Citizen had his nuke stolen (because immobile three nukes are perfect nuke-stealer target), but cannot say it publicly because it proves his ability cannot NK the people visiting him? Um... didn't we get that verified when Caller claimed to have checked him? I feel like I did not completely understand your point here, so clarification is welcome.

Argument against setup
"all we know is that there isn't five mafia": your entire argument hinges on this argument being true. I can only see you thinking Caller/~OpZ~/Abenson/d3/yourself are Townies, because otherwise I cannot see why you would make such statement with confidence. Let me state this means nothing. If Caller is Mafia he and d3_crescentia are no longer confirmed Townie. If so it is still possible there are five Mafia present in the game. Also, you berate laaan for never "[considering] the point that there might not be four mafia, but less", but did anyone ever express an opinion that there might be less than three Mafia previous to your post?

I have to go momentarily for now, so I'll post my thought about JeeJee's remaining arguments later.

On April 09 2010 06:46 Elemenope wrote:


Before going any further: I'd like to hear your mafia suspect list.

On April 09 2010 07:37 ~OpZ~ wrote:
...LMNOP...

You were perfectly fine with Citizens death at 5:03.

Had I not nuked, we would not be having this discussion. Don't act like my change to Caller even matters at this point. The fact that you were perfectly fine not voting, DESPITE THE DAY WOULD HAVE ENDED TWO AND A HALF HOURS AGO. Did you notice Citizen didn't change his vote? Oh, and if you would of voted, guess what? MY VOTE CHANGE WOULDN'T OF MATTERED.

So, let me get this straight...you were perfectly fine in this lylo situation to be over with a citizen lynch earlier. but once I change my vote to Caller you need to think about it?

Hi Mafia.