EPT[*]Our world is very fragile and can not take too much destruction. There is a threshold of death (ToD) that will end the game for all sides if reached. If too many nukes land throughout the course of the game, it will be instant game over and EVERYONE loses. Be careful! The ToD is a hidden count, but a warning level of radiation levels will be present.
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Qatol
United States3165 Posts
[*]Our world is very fragile and can not take too much destruction. There is a threshold of death (ToD) that will end the game for all sides if reached. If too many nukes land throughout the course of the game, it will be instant game over and EVERYONE loses. Be careful! The ToD is a hidden count, but a warning level of radiation levels will be present. | ||
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Zona
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Elemenope
Burkina Faso1704 Posts
On April 11 2010 02:57 Zona wrote: The town could have fired a nuke and drawn the game...why did you close it so early? Because win condition states when we reach majority at *any* time during the day, we win. | ||
flamewheel
FREEAGLELAND26781 Posts
On April 11 2010 02:54 Qatol wrote: Ummm nobody wins if you hit ToD. [*]Our world is very fragile and can not take too much destruction. There is a threshold of death (ToD) that will end the game for all sides if reached. If too many nukes land throughout the course of the game, it will be instant game over and EVERYONE loses. Be careful! The ToD is a hidden count, but a warning level of radiation levels will be present. As soon as Elemenope's nuke lands, the game would be over since the mafia would control a majority of the town during the day. "The Town wins if they eliminate all anti-town roles. Mafia win if they control majority of the town at any point during the day. If any 3rd party factions exist, they will have their own win conditions." With ToD being 9, if 9 nukes were to land then it would be a draw, yes. But since it's 6 right now and will be 7 after Elemenope's nuke lands, it still won't force a draw. | ||
Ver
United States2186 Posts
Caller's Recipe for Success. What to do if you get caught red-handed: 1) Post immediately out of nowhere after being accused despite having lurked the entire game. 2) Make up a bunch of random and far-fetched claims to mislead them. A cop here, random nation there, weird sanity here, convenient dead person check there...hmm that's not good enough. 3) Add even more bizarre claims to confuse them so much they just ignore you. What's missing? Invent a role! How about a Bus driver switch? Follow it up by sidetracking everyone into debates about how this role that doesn't exist works so they forget about the real issue. 4) When people finally stop getting sidetracked and come back to accusing you, spice it up more! Reveal you are actually an even more suspicious country, supply some random filler, and 'rolecheck' your accusers. 5) Now sidetrack everything onto a long debate about how the accuser's role works according to other rules to make everyone confused and waste time. Accuse said person that they don't understand their role. Mayhem ensues and town misses the lynch. | ||
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Qatol
United States3165 Posts
On April 11 2010 03:04 flamewheel91 wrote: As soon as Elemenope's nuke lands, the game would be over since the mafia would control a majority of the town during the day. "The Town wins if they eliminate all anti-town roles. Mafia win if they control majority of the town at any point during the day. If any 3rd party factions exist, they will have their own win conditions." With ToD being 9, if 9 nukes were to land then it would be a draw, yes. But since it's 6 right now and will be 7 after Elemenope's nuke lands, it still won't force a draw. Oh I thought that they had reached the ToD with those last 2 nukes. I guess I was a bit confused. | ||
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Elemenope
Burkina Faso1704 Posts
On April 11 2010 03:08 Ver wrote: I loved Caller's strategy. Hosting his games must've paid off. Caller's Recipe for Success. What to do if you get caught red-handed: 1) Post immediately out of nowhere after being accused despite having lurked the entire game. 2) Make up a bunch of random and far-fetched claims to mislead them. A cop here, random nation there, weird sanity here, convenient dead person check there...hmm that's not good enough. 3) Add even more bizarre claims to confuse them so much they just ignore you. What's missing? Invent a role! How about a Bus driver switch? Follow it up by sidetracking everyone into debates about how this role that doesn't exist works so they forget about the real issue. 4) When people finally stop getting sidetracked and come back to accusing you, spice it up more! Reveal you are actually an even more suspicious country, supply some random filler, and 'rolecheck' your accusers. 5) Now sidetrack everything onto a long debate about how the accuser's role works according to other rules to make everyone confused and waste time. Accuse said person that they don't understand their role. Mayhem ensues and town misses the lynch. In Caller's defense, shinbichan and caller wanted to just leave it at the paranoid/insane DT. I told Caller to use the bus driver too. + Show Spoiler [AIM Conversation we had about this] + (8:47:32 PM) Shinbichan: whats ur plan that we dont want to do? (8:47:34 PM) Caller: ohi (8:47:34 PM) Shinbichan: claim bus driver? (8:47:35 PM) Shinbichan: lol (8:47:36 PM) Elemenope: yeah (8:47:40 PM) Shinbichan: i have no idea how trackers work with drivers (8:47:41 PM) Elemenope: claim he got bussed (8:47:44 PM) Shinbichan: ace, wanna hlep us out? (8:47:46 PM) Caller: i like bus driver (8:47:47 PM) Ace: no (8:47:47 PM) Elemenope: who cares (8:47:47 PM) Shinbichan: how would it work (8:47:48 PM) Ace: lol (8:47:48 PM) Elemenope: LISTEN (8:47:50 PM) Elemenope: LISTEN (8:47:53 PM) Elemenope: IT DOESN'T MATTER HOW IT WOULD WORK (8:47:56 PM) Ace: figure this one out on your own (8:47:57 PM) Elemenope: WE'RE MAKING SHIT UP and later on, my reasoning for introducing the bus driver (8:49:34 PM) Shinbichan: what's the point? (8:49:35 PM) Elemenope: TO CONFUSE THE TOWN (8:49:37 PM) Elemenope: WHO GIVES A FUCK | ||
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Infundibulum
United States2552 Posts
there's no way caller should have gotten out of being lynched though - it's as though everyone forgot that Caller visited meeple and meeple died. I don't know how the argument got anywhere other than that. But the mafia did do a good job of covering up the important arguments like that with insignificant talking points and long posts with bolded red words. thanks citizen for taking over me, glad you gave it the old college try (though i would have played that... differently, it was interesting to see your different approach). the no lynch really killed the town. If either lmnop or caller got killed town was in a much better spot. I'm sorry but i think from the town's point of view Iaaan really screwed the pooch here by not reading/playing. From the mafia trying to win perspective, d3 not saying shit is understandable, but iaaan just didn't do anything during that final last stand and it was really frustrating to watch from the sidelines, especially when you have actual town like OpZ trying really hard to get people to vote. sooo thumbs down there. took no advantage of the vet role at all - what's the point of having a night life when you tell the mafia about it? all in all a good game, JeeJee you played really well until it didn't matter and then it was clear you were mafia. Town played like retards, end of story. Haster played awesome. I had no idea he was SK until things started seeming off with his big bright red defend citizen post. If we were to play a similar ruleset, something would have to be done about the day extension as it is too easily abused imo. | ||
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Ver
United States2186 Posts
I was complimenting the plan though. He was in such a bad position after fishball's claim but by throwing out so many crazy claims and going on a bunch of tangents he managed to squirm out. It not only got the town to sidetrack itself in a bunch of useless discussions (helped along by you guys too) but kept things ambiguous enough to get out of being lynched twice. The town had all the evidence out there but there was so much nonsense flying around that they couldn't fully organize themselves. | ||
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Zona
40426 Posts
With mafia winning even via simple majority, the SK's needed to play pro-town to start off if either of them wanted a chance to win. I don't think the way the mafia played would have worked anywhere else but here though. TL townies are really a unique brand of suck. TL pro-town vigilantes, even moreso. | ||
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Elemenope
Burkina Faso1704 Posts
On April 11 2010 03:17 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote: If we were to play a similar ruleset, something would have to be done about the day extension as it is too easily abused imo. This. We talked to Ace about it because the first day, my interest in the game just went down hill at the end, and then the extensions during the previous day or two was also annoying as well. Basically for our action list: RoL launched nuke on Caller, we saved Caller like a few hours before it hit; I know it was before L nuked himself. Xelin launches nuke on me, d3 anti's it in similar fashion. So we're down 2 antis, and we're like "fuck, oh well, we can always go back to our pre-game plan of just nuking everybody", then we don't get nuked ever again. We hit meeple as he was posting just enough to seem active, and with some good points, but trying to also hide it seemed. So we figured he had a blue role. Luckily he was DT. D3's prot went on me. We elected to not use roleblock so that Shinbichan can claim he was roleblocked. Shinbichan also had nukes stolen from him at this time and was raging that he no longer had a nuke I believe. I forget if he started with a nuke or not. Day 2 comes around: Fishball comes out with his claim. Caller is asking just to nuke fishball on aim. Then we have the DT claim, with caller claiming to check meeple. But that wasn't enough. I wanted the bus driver to go through too in an effort to confuse the town. Hoping that town would think "This claim is so ridiculous that nobody would fake this." So then that happened. Then more nukes from townies to other townies. We hit Versatile that night because she said that she had nukes for days. Which we didn't particularly like. We thought she was the nuke stealer at first or the SK. Then we saw that she was Russia and said "oh". Prot went on me again. Roleblock went on Fishball. This was because we thought Versatile was more of a threat since we could just roleblock a blue. This was also, in my mind, a test to see if he was PGO and trying to draw a hit. Since L, the medic, was dead along with meeple, the DT, and since shinbichan had no nukes, I figured why not see. I don't think I told my fellow dota fgts this though. Day 3: We decide that we want to kill Fishball since we can't RB the same person twice in a row. I believe this was the day that Nikon and Iaaan claim veteran also, and we knew at that point that Nikon was the SK, hence none of us shooting a nuke at him when he was begging for it. Thanks to Nemy for stepping up and getting killed. We killed Fishball, protect Caller [since SK had to start killing mafia to win, and Caller was the most obvious choice], and roleblocked Haster since we figured he was the nuke stealer because most of the countries were big time countries while Portugal seemed out of place. Along with the fact that he was also a townie with no other ability; we thought that iaaan was telling the truth, Opz and Abenson are obviously masons, and since fishball was dying, who cares. Didn't want to hit infund/citizen due to PGO possibility that he would neglect to mention to draw a hit. Day 4: The epitome of nonsense in my opinion. I really don't know where to begin with this day. Night actions were kill Opz, roleblock nobody again [since we didn't really have a good choice], and save Caller again. Little did we know: Shinbichan, the one went to such great lengths to try to get a flawless victory, died to haster. Day 5: We just launch nukes obviously. Who cares at this point? Overall: Mafia MVP=Town definitely. I have no idea why you guys would shoot nukes at each other because "I have a feeling." What's more amazing is the fact that RoL would launch a nuke at Caller, then when caller gets saved and RoL gets lynched, he nukes johnny. Equally amazing is the fact that Xelin launches a nuke at me because he's sure I'm mafia, then when he launches his second nuke, he does it towards Zona because of stuff unrelated to the game really. Also, the ability of the town to get sidetracked so easily by nonsense is quite good. Oh, and initially: our pregame plan was just to get L killed. We're glad town did that for us without our help. Edit 2: This is how we felt about the town, summed up: + Show Spoiler [Another conversation] + (9:16:03 PM) Caller: what kind of an idiot will believe me (9:16:03 PM) Shinbichan: i will make sure xelin dies (9:16:08 PM) Shinbichan: HAVE U SEEN THSI TOWN ? (9:16:11 PM) Shinbichan: DO YOU HAVE TO ASK THAT QUESTION? Edit 3: And Ace's feelings about the bus driver claim: + Show Spoiler + (10:13:59 PM) Ace: lol (10:14:05 PM) Ace: this is definitely (10:14:13 PM) Caller: BALLS OUT (10:14:14 PM) Ace: going down as one of the most epic mafia moments I've ever seen (10:14:16 PM) Ace: a guy survives (10:14:18 PM) Ace: a nuke (10:14:22 PM) Ace: almsot a lynch (10:14:25 PM) Ace: massive accusations (10:14:33 PM) Ace: busts out a bus driver fucked me over insane cop role claim (10:14:37 PM) Ace: and everyone nods their heads (10:14:40 PM) Ace: this is bs lol | ||
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haster27
Taiwan809 Posts
 I had entire plan for victory ready too, rofl. Personally I found it hilarious that I had to play fucking pro-town entire game because Town was so stupid. I was literally playing as how I would play Townie -_- My post-game thoughts to come later. Props to Mafia for preventing JeeJee death by roleblocking me night 3. | ||
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d3_crescentia
United States4054 Posts
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citi.zen
2509 Posts
(10:14:22 PM) Ace: almsot a lynch (10:14:25 PM) Ace: massive accusations (10:14:33 PM) Ace: busts out a bus driver fucked me over insane cop role claim (10:14:37 PM) Ace: and everyone nods their heads (10:14:40 PM) Ace: this is bs lol Pretty much, as I've said at least a dozen times since I started playing. No idea how anyone can believe such a tall pile of shit, yet they did, for days on end! The funny thing is, with him confirmed red, most mafia were going to fall pretty easily. So this was a very risky strategy in many ways, yet it paid off. GG reds, JeeJee MVP in my book. LVP - everyone on town who didn't vote for Caller. Seriously. | ||
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JeeJee
Canada5652 Posts
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JeeJee
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JeeJee
Canada5652 Posts
fuck. gg wp | ||
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citi.zen
2509 Posts
On April 10 2010 03:40 citi.zen wrote: I can't believe you guys are still not seeing that Caller is red. It's beyond me how he can have you believe one lie after another after another simply by changing his story after any new suspicion is shed on him. Look at micro-mafia 1. I was in the same situation with Ace there. I was right there too. Of course, being right doesn't matter if you can't persuade others, so I guess I fail and Caller wins. Too bad for the town. Sorry, I am out of patience. On this note I am taking a break from playing mafia for a while. I'll help host if needed, but will not play for a while. | ||
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L
Canada4732 Posts
On April 11 2010 03:08 Ver wrote: This should not have worked, but people are terrible. I loved Caller's strategy. Hosting his games must've paid off. Caller's Recipe for Success. What to do if you get caught red-handed: 1) Post immediately out of nowhere after being accused despite having lurked the entire game. 2) Make up a bunch of random and far-fetched claims to mislead them. A cop here, random nation there, weird sanity here, convenient dead person check there...hmm that's not good enough. 3) Add even more bizarre claims to confuse them so much they just ignore you. What's missing? Invent a role! How about a Bus driver switch? Follow it up by sidetracking everyone into debates about how this role that doesn't exist works so they forget about the real issue. 4) When people finally stop getting sidetracked and come back to accusing you, spice it up more! Reveal you are actually an even more suspicious country, supply some random filler, and 'rolecheck' your accusers. 5) Now sidetrack everything onto a long debate about how the accuser's role works according to other rules to make everyone confused and waste time. Accuse said person that they don't understand their role. Mayhem ensues and town misses the lynch. | ||
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JeeJee
Canada5652 Posts
props to haster you played really well imo. looks like we protted caller last night as well, since we thought if sk is gonna hit anyone, it would be him, but tbh i think we didn't even think there was an SK anymore? we knew haster was probably nuke thief though which was our reasoning for RB'ing you iirc (so u don't steal from say lmnop or caller) so so so disappointed in me dying though ... if i knew we weren't gonna get a flawless i might as well have sacrificed caller and had prot thrown at me, and not acted like an idiot through pretty much all of day 4. | ||
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