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kitaman27
United States9245 Posts
Here is my two cents. Not trying to spark an argument or anything, just giving my opinion ^_^
In regards to spamming, I think there is a difference between "spamming" and "posting a lot". I would consider spamming to be content-less posts or posts that were not game relevant. I'm not sure that was necessarily the case this game, at least in my opinion. While BM certainly did have his fair share of one liners, I felt that the majority of his posts were game related and served a purpose. I would much rather try to analyze a player who has provided tons of content, than a lurker who has hardly committed to a single viewpoint. As for the problem with consecutive posting, I'm not sure there is a huge difference between that and making one big post. I don't think someone should be discouraged from posting a lot, just because its more than the average person posts. People expect to have to do a lot of reading when they sign up and its not like a 150 page thread would be unreasonably more than the average game. Was the game worse off because of his high post count? I don't think so. Compare it to a game like XXV where the game was plagued with inactivity. I think not caring at all is a far worse offense than caring too much.
When it comes to personal conduct, I doubt anyone would disagree that BM is one of the more aggressive players. He is very good at getting an emotional response out of people with his unorthodox play. I question if he ever crossed the line to getting personal, however. The worst I saw was him calling people bad or an idiot, which is pretty common for a game of mafia. I understand wanting to keep him on a tighter leash because of past misconduct though.
The reaction to the modkill was completely unreasonable. Providing constructive criticism post game is fine, but the attack on RoL's hosting came off as mean spirited. Posting in the thread after death was probably his worst offense, especially because its the exact same thing that happened in Haunted. As the hosts have stated, the modkill was a result of a bunch of little things rather than a single outburst. I understand why many people think this should be his last chance and he blew it. One thing to consider is that his actions didn't necessarily ruin the game. While he played, he was probably one of the better town, but his actions certainly deserve punishment. Do you give a life sentence in prison to someone who is on probation and lights a trashcan on fire? Maybe not, but of course the decision is up to Qatol and the hosts.
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USA5860 Posts
Kitaman, if you read what I actually wrote to bill and my initial reply in this thread. I acknowledge it was a bunch of minor shit and even though he was on probation I was not going to seek a perm ban. When I told that to him he responded "I will definitely be attacking your credibility, good day sir." which was completely uncalled for. His proceeding behavior just compounds that.
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Foolishness
United States3044 Posts
RoL said that many people through the game sent him a PM complaining about gryffindor. If you ask me, that in itself is enough to warrant the ban. Even if the fight with jackal never happened, the game still showed that people don't like his attitude and don't want to play with him.
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Please talk for yourself Foolishness i think the way he played was fine and i enjoyed playing with him because he put a lot of effort into playing.
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On March 10 2011 08:29 kevconsim wrote:
Please talk for yourself Foolishness i think the way he played was fine and i enjoyed playing with him because he put a lot of effort into playing.
He wasn't talking for anyone....he said that many people complained about him. Just cause you weren't one of them doesn't mean foolishness' statement isn't true. lets keep a civil tone please -_-
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RoL said that many people through the game sent him a PM complaining about gryffindor. If you ask me, that in itself is enough to warrant the ban. Even if the fight with jackal never happened, the game still showed that people don't like his attitude and don't want to play with him.
I feel like you didnt understand what he was saying chaoser.
If this is true then if i get 4 people to message the host saying i dont like the way you say stuff.
an example+ Show Spoiler +lets keep a civil tone please -_-
then you should be modkilled
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Except I don't have a history of constantly pissing people off and so there's no weight behind people saying I'm being annoying/disruptive/abrasive. BM has a long history of it and his recent actions of
1) bad mouthing the host
2) posting about the game AFTER he is dead and modkilled
show that he hasn't changed one bit (he did similar things which led to his last ban)
Here's an example. Let's say there's a party and some guy comes in and acts an ass. But people kept letting him into the parties. But one day it got too much so they finally kicked him out. After a while he asked to come back again and they let him but told him he had to be on his best behavior. Some people at the new party still didn't like him and he acts in weird ways so they goad him to start some trouble. At this point two things could have happened. One, he gets goaded and gets into a fight. Two, he shows some restraint and doesn't fight back, reports it to the mods/powers that be that people were griefing him and they sort it out.
He decides to choose the first one and continues even though he is warned multiple times (2 I think?). Then when they take him outside of the house he makes a big scene and continues to yell and scream. I thought the modkill-->perm ban was a little over the top when it happened but seeing his response to the whole situation makes me reconsider that it's the best decision after all. Up to the hosts of the games I guess though.
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gryffindor was just banned by IntoTheWow.
That account was created on 2009-11-05 12:41:46 and had 524 posts.
Reason: Your account has a bad history of behaviour in the Mafia Forums. You were warned multiple times and you didn't listen.
Well I guess that's that then.
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On March 10 2011 09:59 chaoser wrote:Show nested quote +gryffindor was just banned by IntoTheWow.
That account was created on 2009-11-05 12:41:46 and had 524 posts.
Reason: Your account has a bad history of behaviour in the Mafia Forums. You were warned multiple times and you didn't listen. Well I guess that's that then.
The mods come to this forum? *Runs and hides*.
Not being entirely familiar with him, like others, I don't think BM's in-game actions we really perm worthy, but his actions after being mod killed were deplorable. I guess that's the end we'll see of gryff?
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USA5860 Posts
Sigh, one more time for the record. I agree his in game actions weren't worthy of a perm, which is why that is what probably wasn't going to happen. But even when he was TOLD that he acted completely out of line which led to it becoming a perm.
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On March 10 2011 10:18 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
Sigh, one more time for the record. I agree his in game actions weren't worthy of a perm, which is why that is what probably wasn't going to happen. But even when he was TOLD that he acted completely out of line which led to it becoming a perm.
I really do wish I had known his history. I would not have engaged him if I had.
I feel responsible for his ban. 
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Nah, if he'd been contrite/apologetic after the modkill, none of this shit would have happened. He's got nobody to blame but himself.
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On March 10 2011 10:22 Jackal58 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2011 10:18 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
Sigh, one more time for the record. I agree his in game actions weren't worthy of a perm, which is why that is what probably wasn't going to happen. But even when he was TOLD that he acted completely out of line which led to it becoming a perm. I really do wish I had known his history. I would not have engaged him if I had. I feel responsible for his ban.
The whole point was supposed to be that nobody knew his history so nobody would treat him differently than anyone else. And if he misbehaved under those circumstances, then it's on his head.
Anyways, if anyone suspects an account of being Bill Murray in the future, please let me know so I can talk about it with ITW.
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FREEAGLELAND26781 Posts
On March 10 2011 10:12 Mr. Wiggles wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2011 09:59 chaoser wrote:gryffindor was just banned by IntoTheWow.
That account was created on 2009-11-05 12:41:46 and had 524 posts.
Reason: Your account has a bad history of behaviour in the Mafia Forums. You were warned multiple times and you didn't listen. Well I guess that's that then. The mods come to this forum? *Runs and hides*. Not being entirely familiar with him, like others, I don't think BM's in-game actions we really perm worthy, but his actions after being mod killed were deplorable. I guess that's the end we'll see of gryff?
Mostly they visit now when there's heads to be chopped. Can't convince them to join games these days.
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On March 10 2011 10:22 Jackal58 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2011 10:18 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
Sigh, one more time for the record. I agree his in game actions weren't worthy of a perm, which is why that is what probably wasn't going to happen. But even when he was TOLD that he acted completely out of line which led to it becoming a perm. I really do wish I had known his history. I would not have engaged him if I had. I feel responsible for his ban.
Don't feel bad, his other account isn't banned.
It's just that ITW killed his smurf. And TL usually bans smurfs unless they are playing mafia, which clearly BM won't be doing here anymore.
Btw
On March 09 2011 13:48 Bill Murray wrote:I would like permission to view the thread, as I am contesting a ban. Thanks! Accidentally posted in the wrong thread at first 
I say no
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On March 10 2011 11:33 LSB wrote:Btw Show nested quote +On March 09 2011 13:48 Bill Murray wrote:I would like permission to view the thread, as I am contesting a ban. Thanks! Accidentally posted in the wrong thread at first I say no
He posted that yesterday. He was referring to his mafia ban, not the ban of gryffindor.
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USA5860 Posts
So ends another saga in mafia history.
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And it was about BM again.
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Foolishness
United States3044 Posts
On March 10 2011 08:29 kevconsim wrote:
Please talk for yourself Foolishness i think the way he played was fine and i enjoyed playing with him because he put a lot of effort into playing.
That's cool, I've always been a Bill Murray supporter as well, and I'll admit I never complained to RoL about his attitude. But lots of other people did, and this isn't the first game where multiple people have complained about his attitude. In my opinion that's enough to warrant a discussion and solution to the problem, because clearly a lot of people do not like his attitude.
If only you put this much effort into your mafia posts...how long have you been friends with Bill Murray by the way?
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