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On February 26 2010 16:11 L wrote:
I linked you to the shitter clue and said "feel free to disprove me", you came up with another possibility for the clue, so we killed redtooth instead like morons. If caller, spazz and hugger wanted to try and bus you, I sure as fuck stopped it when I said you were right and injected enough doubt with your rebuttal.
But how exactly does that make you innocent?
Right now the votes on me:
L: (5)
Scamp
Amber[LighT]
tree.hugger
Versatile
sidesprang
Scamp, amber, tree.hugger and sidesprang all are likely mafia members. 4/5 Pretty damning.
I guess by your logic I'm innocent too.
Killing Redtooth had nothing to do with me providing another possibility. Also saying you stopped a bus goes against everything I said since my claim was that the probability of me being bussed was very low.
And no, the votes on you now is not the same thing. There are no confirmed mafia in that list, just some probables. On my list are confirmed mafia from (most likely) both families as well as likely mafia. The confirmed part makes all the difference.
I also asked for some evidence that Chez provided help to the town as a DT. What happened to that?
Stop twisting/ignoring my words and start looking for reds like you said you were going to. Also do not ignore Malongo's posts. That goes for everyone.
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On February 26 2010 16:59 sidesprang wrote:
voting scamp, because of the cluelink towards you.
Opinions on Chezinu, please.
Behavior-wise you've either got to be the biggest "don't step on any toes" mafia ever or just a scared townie. The only reason why I'm not going to try to push anything on you right now is because if you're mafia, you're probably Gambino.
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I was starting to think that L and I might be two sides of the same coin, but his continual insistence to doing nothing (at least publicly) has doomed him in my eyes. If he's scumhunting in PMs then someone needs to step up and defend him.
He keeps mentioning me as a solid cluelink, even though there's only one clue that's actually solid toward me and even then he admitted that it's more likely to point toward Chezinu. Continually pointing the finger at me is not scumhunting.
I asked Foolishness and L to defend Chezinu over a day ago. Neither has stepped up to offer anything. So let me ask the seven people who are voting for me: why? What makes me the most likely candidate? Is it because L said that some clues point to me?
I've noted how I've been targeted, SERIOUSLY targeted by both mafia families. That claim simply hasn't been countered. I simply ask: where is the suspicion coming from? I am simply a green townie, and my history/actions should prove that.
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On February 27 2010 07:56 L wrote:
Chez claims he's checked like 3-4 people who've flipped green, and that's cool. Maybe he's lying. Maybe he isn't. Regardless, the easiest way to see if he's lying is to kill scamp, but for some reason scamp/him are tied.
Additionally, targets like amber and tree.hugger, who have been playing incredibly obvious as mafia, or players like OhN, who have a ton of clues pointing to them but don't fucking post aren't being looked at.
I still don't know why you insist that killing me sheds light on Chez. Did Chez check me and say I was anything? No he did not. All you have is one clue that could possibly point to either me or Chez, and that's it. So killing me doesn't exactly shed a great amount of light on him.
I also find it difficult to believe that a DT with 4 checks can't find a mafia in this game.
On the other hand, if a bandwagon starts to go after OhN I'd be in support of that. I'd also support one against Tredmasta and Cynanmachae.
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On February 27 2010 08:19 Malongo wrote:
Thats the most stupid thing you may have said all game long and proves you have no fucking clue about how to play townie. In the most basic sense it says hey! i support virtually any last second badwagon so i dont get killed.
We have over a day left, I'd hardly call that last-second.
We have a number of coasters who barely post anything, and in some cases they literally don't post anything. We know they're active in the game because they vote.
It's good for the town to get people talking. The only way we might possibly get these people talking is to vote for them.
So before you assess my ability to play townie, you might want to think about the situation we have just a little bit harder.
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Foolishness your defense of Chez is "read the thread carefully." Instead, how about you provide anything to defend him, because I'm very confident he's not a DT.
I am, however, less confident about L being mafia. But I really don't see the case against tree.hugger. I don't see any solid clue links to him. Yes occasionally part of a tree appears but that's about it, I'd hardly consider that solid. And yes a bunch of innocent people voted for him on day 3....but how does that prove anything?
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Wow Malongo. Just wow.
I agree strongly that tree.hugger needs to post.
Also who the hell is Tredmasta?
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Hey laaan. How come you don't mention me in that comment of yours in the voting thread?
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On February 27 2010 14:37 dozko wrote:
The lack of content does indeed generally hint red, however as I stated previously lets go after the people we have already discussed and have seemingly solid leads on first. Strategies conditionally based on current information, I believe, are more valuable in comparison to the "general mafia theory red tell" that they are exhibiting.
First, to address something you said earlier, Chezinu was not the DT that checked Quickstriker. The only thing he's done to prove himself at all is post a list of four townies and himself that he supposedly checked.
Now, the problem we have right now is that there are several people who are not talking and have no reason to because we put no pressure on them to say anything. If we just go on what we have right now then no matter what the results are we'll have nothing to go on after the fact.
Case in point: ShoCkeyy. The guy voted for myself and L, an action to which I believe is incredibly puzzling. What is the point of voting both L and me? The only people that've offered up an explanation are Vivi and Sidesprang, and both of their reasons are awful.
We need to understand more of why people are playing the way they are. We need to force people to start participating or else we're always just going to be guessing and hoping.
Also who the hell is Tredmasta?
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Going to sleep now, but I have to say the fact that I am tied for the most votes right now shows that the players in this game aren't thinking. There isn't a clear reason to lynch me at all. Not if you're Gambino, not if you're Sumiyoshi, and especially not if you're town.
Here's the case against me...
One possible clue link.
L's assertiveness.
I've already noted how both mafia families are voting for me. No matter who among the top suspects you think are mafia, the fact remains that both families have put me up for consideration throughout the game. Seriously, take a good look at the voting record.
If I'm still one of your top two mafia candidates after this, I don't know what else to say.
Finally, do not use clues as your main argument. Use the clues to support an argument you can get through more solid means. If your main and/or only argument is that a clue points to someone, you're playing poorly.
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Three hours until my possible doom and the activity has spiked in the wrong direction.
I again simply ask people to seriously think about why they are voting me.
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Recent PMs between myself and Chezinu.
+ Show Spoiler +From: Chezinu [ Profile | Buddy ]
Subject: Re: You way out
Date: 2/28/10 06:10
Will do.
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Original Message:
Yeah, I think it's a fear of everyone (including the mods and maybe excluding the other team) that a mafia family may quit when they get down to two. But if people did that then they'll be banned from future games. Plus there is technically a way to win still, difficult as it may be. You can still win if you eliminate the other family and the town has equal/less people than you. This means reducing the town to two before you kill the other family. Difficult but possible.
I am not really above saving myself just for the sake of saving myself. I'm not going to just save myself in order to kill someone I think is innocent. Technically L is still being killed in front of me, so I don't need to vote for both. There's probably going to be a last-second flurry of activity, so I'm worried.
So while Ver was innocent that doesn't mean his analysis is correct. I'm still slightly skeptical of tree.hugger being scum, but his recent activity of popping in once then disappearing again isn't doing him any favors. Cyan I suspect more because of his behavior and voting record. I just wish I could find some kind of clue link to support my analysis. Do you know who that guy is in his profile?
So yeah, let your supporters know that I will change my vote to tree.hugger and Cyan if the support to lynch them increases. But please let them also know that it is not to save my own ass but because I genuinely suspect that they are mafia.
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Original Message:
If you vote tree.hugger and Cyan I think you might be able to save yourself. I know a lot of people suspect Cyan and I'm willing to take my vote off of you and on to him if it doesn't kill me. I wouldn't want you to die if that means you are taking L with you. Plus, some of people I've been talking to think you are innocent and out of them some are voting for you just to save me.
Our best hope is that the town will be active enough to change votes and the mafia that is against Cyan. But if your townie and not a blue role, your going to die already unless the other mafia has better targets... I think I'm the only blue left so if your town switching to Cyan can't hurt. Even if your mafia and cyan is on your team, he will probably die tonight soon... Well, I guess this lynch isn't about lynching mafia so much.. It's about saving me and L. With L, town has a hostage. With me, they gain one more rolecheck before I die. But if I live I also benefit the mafia...so would they even hit me? With two mafia teams, lynches really aren't all or nothing except when it comes to medics, DT, and elected roles. Well, so far that went bad... now it's just me and L left... Even if L is mafia, killing him would be dumb for town. town can let two members of each mafia team live and still win. with L protected it will make mafia wonder if they can win without lynching him. Uh oh.. I just thought of something.. What if a mafia team gets down to two members? Will those members not vote and modkill themselves thus ending the game before town could win? Does that mean there is no hope for town unless both mafia teams kill themselves all in one night?
-this has been the thoughts of Chezinu as he reflects what is the best move for town, if it even exists and if there is more than one route to reach the town's goal. Town success depends on the mafia's success. May the mafia kill well tonight. By that I mean not kill me since that would be dumb because the other mafia might kill me... maybe one mafia is smarter than the other... but I don't have that hope anymore for two medics are down. Meeple the clue analyzer and Redtooth our Great mayor, the protector of the unprotected who detected the detective, the one who made the town go round and round. The one who took a tangent path at the site of the BcraftstarII bomb.
Let the matters guide you. for had matters, especially when letters in front of 2 and 3 switch their places.
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Abenson I know you're there. Explain why you're voting me.
Also would you guys read my last post and take a good look at Chezinu? He has absolutely no authority over his "town circle" and those players haven't coordinated once over the course of the entire game.
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Why am I most likely mafia?
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OpZ: Don't discount the possibility that JSpazz is actually Sumiyoshi.
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Abenson if I ever play mafia with you again you'd better show really early that you're paying attention and will contribute to the game or I'm going to push to have you killed ASAP.
There are no vigilantes, BTW.
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Ah, that's a good point. L did list Johnny as Gambino, and he would know. There is the possibility that he did know that he was Sumi and listed him as Gambino in order to make himself look innocent (how could he know unless he was Gambino too?) but if you assume he thought he was going to die when he made the list then that possibility makes less sense.
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Okay I guess it's officially Gambino + Town vs. Sumiyoshi at this point, which is probably a good thing for the town as it's also official that the Gambino suck at killing Sumiyoshi.
Laaan and Amber were both on L's Sumi circle, I think that's one of the reasons they were targeted. At this point, I really want to hear from Abenson and oHn and their reasons why we shouldn't kill them. I also want Abenson to answer what he did not last night and explain why I was most likely to be mafia yesterday.
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Also: Chez who did you check last night, and what result did you get?
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