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Scamp
United States1086 Posts
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Versatile
United States396 Posts
since dumb ass #9540239432 outted me as BG however long ago, let's get on with it. i think i may be more useful to the town dead. | ||
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L
Canada4732 Posts
On February 26 2010 14:07 Versatile wrote: oh, and lastly, if you guys are not going to lynch L, i would really like to be lynched so the other mafia can kill him. since dumb ass #9540239432 outted me as BG however long ago, let's get on with it. i think i may be more useful to the town dead. So do you do anything other than PMS and admit you don't give a shit if the town loses? Because I'm pretty sure the idea here with a double lynch would be to net 2 mafia kills, not settle grudges. I mean, why aren't you asking one of the mafia teams to kill you; wouldn't them wasting a hit be better than us not hitting a mafia? Besides you, the only people bothering to vote for me are inactive lurkers or 100% candidates. So yeah, way to be a part of an obvious train. | ||
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Versatile
United States396 Posts
anyway. you're playing like shyt. i've said you're mafia for ages. i've been advocating you should die for ages. don't act like this is brand new. but since i have your attention, why would you have a medic protect me if you think i'm such a bad player? and if a medic told you they were protecting me why would you put it in the thread if you're really helping the town? as far as your comment about only inactives and candidates voting for you, i'll point you to fishball's last few posts where he was advocating for your death and miraculous ended up dead himself. clearly it's more than a girl "PMSing" (btw, nice chauvinist dig, that must have taken quite a few brain cells on your part, good job!) and inactives. i mean, even you offered yourself up. time to follow through on your word. | ||
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Canada4732 Posts
On February 26 2010 15:07 Versatile wrote: wtf is this trash? are you crying? i'm sorry if i struck a nerve, didn't mean to hurt your itty bitty feelings. no need to get personal. stop bitching. anyway. you're playing like shyt. i've said you're mafia for ages. i've been advocating you should die for ages. don't act like this is brand new. but since i have your attention, why would you have a medic protect me if you think i'm such a bad player? and if a medic told you they were protecting me why would you put it in the thread if you're really helping the town? as far as your comment about only inactives and candidates voting for you, i'll point you to fishball's last few posts where he was advocating for your death and miraculous ended up dead himself. clearly it's more than a girl "PMSing" (btw, nice chauvinist dig, that must have taken quite a few brain cells on your part, good job!) and inactives. i mean, even you offered yourself up. time to follow through on your word. Because I would rather that you didn't die, because I think you're an emotional townie who is terrible at this game, but a townie nonetheless. Fishball and I were in PMs for the vast majority of the end of the last day, and a lot of the posts that were setup were attempts on both of our parts to get mafia to hit certain non-town players, but they completely avoided all of the bait and hit 4 fucking townies instead of other mafia members. Sumiyoshi missed three hits in a row: why? Do you think that was a mistake given that johnny was roleclaiming straight to their face and that we purposely said that medic protection would not be on him? Think a bit about it. Regarding the PMS; get over it. You took some shots at me; Am I supposed to sit there and listen to your self destructive rants and your "i want to die" spiel without thinking "emotional green townie :/" like last game wherein RoL went batshit insane for like 2 days on me? As for offering myself up, I did. However, then the game took a swing to the point wherein we can't waste lynches or miss hits. I'm not going to fuck over the town twice, in an effort to assuage my own guilt. But yeah, obvious train voting behavior. Way to go. Now: Onto more important matters like killing red people. If anyone can write scripts, can we get a full list of posts that caller's made? | ||
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Scamp
United States1086 Posts
On February 26 2010 14:24 L wrote: Besides you, the only people bothering to vote for me are inactive lurkers or 100% candidates. You're so fortunate. I've got a bunch of inactive lurkers on me as well as you and Foolishness. There's a lot I really don't understand right now. One are the people who are voting for both L and myself. What could be the possible motivation for that? Maybe they think L is mafia but has hunted me down because I'm in the opposite family? Well that would mean that L is Gambino, since he's accusing me of being Sumi. I challenge anyone to make that argument, because it doesn't make any sense. But what also doesn't make any sense is that people think I'm a higher priority over Chezinu. Maybe I missed all the help that he's been since according to Foolishness I have to read his posts very carefully.....but no. Why would anyone read any of his posts? I also find it hard to believe that any detective with four days can't find a mafia to kill. I also find it hard to believe that any detective who outs himself early in the game can't clear any townies or provide any kind of helpful insight throughout the game. So if either Foolishness or L (especially Foolishness, though) want to provide evidence that Chezinu is town and can convince me of such, I'll vote for myself. | ||
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Canada4732 Posts
There's a lot I really don't understand right now. One are the people who are voting for both L and myself. I don't get that either, tbh :./But what also doesn't make any sense is that people think I'm a higher priority over Chezinu. I don't see how a useless non-posting mafia player with multiple solid clue links should be a lower priority than a DT. | ||
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johnnyspazz
Taiwan1470 Posts
Ver, I'm not entirely sure lynching BC is a very good idea. While I agree with you on the election post, consider the thing about BC is that he's very good at identifying people's roles and the like. We ideally should keep him alive as long as possible. Even if he is scum, you'd consider that he would likely focus on the other mafia, and this gives us two things: a) dead mafia on the other family b) a free kill for a vig or lynch on his family. More importantly, we can trace some of his support if he is indeed scum, which may give us more information. It all depends on what he can do for us. Of course, if he's town affiliated, he can only benefit us. I submit that we lynch random people for the first lynch like we usually do. You never know, we may get lucky. Lynching strong players right now could really hurt the town, especially without any information. Of course, it may also cripple mafia as well, but I'm not sure we should take such a risk right now. + Show Spoiler + okay, i've taken a nap and am now refreshed slightly. So let's go over the intricacies of this game. One thing that everybody seems to mention but nobody ever seems to truly appreciate is how exactly we should go about getting the mafia to swing each other. However, back in Ace's mafia world, which was the last game to feature two mafias (albeit with much higher kill numbers) I had concocted a plan which could abuse the fact that there were two mafias through information. Of course a certain somebody that shall not be named did something that destabilized the whole game (and therefore my plan) but that's not important. Those who have access to that plan can probably look it up but because it may still prove to be useful I will not post it in public just yet. As it stands right now, mafia is in a similar position to town. Unlike in most games, where mafia knows all their opponents, and just needs to worry about taking down special roles and good players, in this case mafia has to be careful . They need to not over extend themselves and weaken town and opposing mafia simultaneously, as too much attacking on one side could expose them to an attack by the other. At the same time, town needs to be wary of a mafia attacking another mafia and inflicting severe amounts of damage. However, don't forget that if this is the case it is very possible that the other mafia and town could come together to "team up" against the original mafia. Thus, we know that mafia will need to play cautiously. However, it is also possible that mafia will team up like they did in the last one, and just rape town senseless. We need to be careful for signs that this is the case (i.e. no or one/two mafia get hit) A good way to counter this, I suppose, would be to simply start grouping players together. It doesn't matter how, just group them together. I highly suspect mafia will be careful not to over extend themselves in each group and may have only one or two people infiltrate. But that gives us an idea of how to start-namely, that each group undoubtedly has a few mafia present, and thus we could potentially use our role checks there to begin whittling down the numbers. Once we clear out the infiltrators we can likely vet the group as a whole to be innocent. The other thing we should do, however, is use mafia's kp against each other. If we manage to find out a few mafia, we shouldn't immediately kill them or have vigs hits on them, but rather force each mafia to devote hits to killing those other mafia. In fact, if the numbers are getting lopsided, it may be in town's interest to protect those mafia. These are just some rambling thoughts about what we should do first. + Show Spoiler + I guess I have to be the voice of reason again... First of all, why are we voting for citi.zen? Just because he did a good job "last" game doesn't mean he's going to be a good candidate this game. Ace and Qatol, for instance, fell into this exact same mentality, and look what happened? They both turned out scum. Anybody that asks you to vote for them solely on past experience is clearly trying to abuse that factor or doesn't have any other redeeming qualities. We should instead concentrate on voting for people who have a defined idea of what they're going to do. Remember: in this game, the mayor doesn't play the role that he does usually. I was the head of the town in the last game that featured two mafia (Ace's Mafia World) and I can assure you that having to deal with two mafias radically changes the game. The mayor's role here is solely going to be the ability to know all the bodyguards and to get town circles rolling. It is obvious that no matter who wins that there will be at least some mafia posing as bodyguards, purely because of simple game theory: If the mayor isn't affiliated with mafia a, then it must be a townie or mafia b, in which case the mafia will place bodyguards to expose them to night attack, etc. The very fact that mafia will definitely have at least some bodyguards present-even if town realizes this it is unlikely that mafia would be so willing to forego a chance at taking out an opposing mayor. Thus, the mayor's role, assuming a townie gets in, is to try and organize town so as to search the bodyguards. Mafia don't have as strong of an incentive to kill DTs right now because DTs are a great way to get the roles of the opposing mafia. Thus, DTs can feel safe to check the bodyguards and the mayor should allow the DTs to get the bodyguard list. The problem is finding a way to get the DTs to contact the mayor while avoiding infiltrators posing as DTs to do role checks. But I think the risks for infiltration are too high-at best they will get one enemy mafia, and at worse will lose the infiltrator-a trade that I think will not be worth it. While I'm not saying it's not possible, I'm saying the incentives are too strong against it to make it worthwhile. Once the BGs have been cleared of scum, a town circle could be created solely among the BGs, and other secured townies. If BGs start dying like flies the mayor instantly becomes suspect and so we can remove him that way and get a kill. At that point, the remaining BGs lose their role usefulness, so it will not hurt town significantly. This is I think a rough start of what the mayor should do to set up a town circle and prevent mafiasos from trying to turn us too much from one side to the other. + Show Spoiler + On February 15 2010 09:37 Caller wrote: That's just it though: in this game the DT doesn't have to worry about dying as much purely because Mafia has a fixed, low KP, and we have medics. Suppose a DT roleclaims publicly that he is a DT. The mafias can't afford to hit him in the event that he is an actual DT because they will lose a KP that would be better served hitting an opposing mafia. More importantly, since mafia don't have to kill town to win, they don't need to hunt down all the blue roles immediately-in fact, they would like to have a DT to give them role checks to narrow down their search for the opposing mafia. So there's no real need for the DT to fear, especially because we have enough medics to negate any deaths. I already explained why its unlikely for mafia to pose as a DT purely because there's too much risk and not enough reward for the mafia team because there are two mafias. The game changes completely in this scenario so a lot more can be done than in a normal town vs. one mafia game. + Show Spoiler + On February 16 2010 05:10 Caller wrote: Seriously, what is the point of updating those things? Who cares about numbers, people can post as much or as little as they like. Obviously the mafia won't be stupid and have all their members be constantly active in case they slip up, nor would they all pretend to be inactive. They would likely be distributed throughout the activity spectrum, so just making lists of how many posts people made is ludicrous. You could just summarize it as this: Active posters - DoctorHelvetica BillMurray Chezinu Redtooth Meeple Ace L Iaaan BC I dunno some of the newer players very well so I can't pass judgement on their actions. Of course we would expect some of the "veteran" players to say lots of shit cuz that's how they roll. People with wise things to say Zato-1, Redtooth (just a lil') Foolishness (especially the part about people spamming shit),~Opz~ I think ~Opz~ always has valid points. I remember when I was running Red Army Mafia that he nailed a lot of people on clues, even if nobody listened to anything he had to say. everyone else seems to be talking random shit if you ask me ~~~ + Show Spoiler + On February 16 2010 06:13 Caller wrote: i'm pissed that nobody's listening to me as usual and it seems that everybody else in the game has adopted the "troll the fuck out of the mafia thread until someone slips up" strategy. Not that the strategy doesn't work, but when everybody does it just causes useful posts like Zato's to get buried underneath steaming piles of shit. i mean what else is there to say right now. no dts have come forth, despite me saying that it's unlikely dts will die even if they rc. Similarly, the mayor hasn't even been elected yet and we don't even know the identity of the BGs. I have a plan for that but I don't want to reveal it just yet until after the election. We've had a few roleclaims from PMs, apparently, but most of those appear to be phishing. DoctorHelvetica and Bill Murray are spamming the thread full of shit, which, while I'm not sure if they're mafia or not, in the event that they're not makes them stupid townies. this game is just really frustrating for me. I'm surprised that Ver, my second-in-command in ur mafia game, hasn't had any real insights on how to abuse the two mafias against each other, especially when he helped pipe in on the plan (that ultimately fell through thanks to a certain somebody). You also haven't had any real insights either, other than trolling the fuck out of the thread. I can't really blame anyone else to be honest, especially since MTF, Camlito, and all the other experienced players in that game aren't in this one. Instead, we're relying on the mafia game equivalent of trench warfare to deal with the two mafia blitzkrieg. Unless there's some townie circle that I'm not privy to, I really don't see much else that I can contribute at this point in time. rageeeeeeeeeee /end rant + Show Spoiler + On February 16 2010 06:20 Caller wrote: I know chezinu made some pretense at roleclaiming DT. But I have no idea if he was kidding or not, nor did he make any effort at trying to rally people around him, nor did he offer to have someone checked. He just pointed some fingers and put some fancy colors on his postingz. you gotta walk the walk if you gonna talk the talk + Show Spoiler + On February 16 2010 06:26 Caller wrote: Did you even read my post? I already stated very clearly that there is absolutely no incentive for mafia to kill DTs right now, or as long as the balance of power between the two mafias is maintained. None at all. Mafia have no method of identifying other mafia at this stage this early in the game. They want DTs to clear up suspects on their lists. Mafia don't have to kill a single townie this game in order to win, either. And I doubt a godfather would expose themselves this early. Why would they care about townie circles? Again, I stated multiple times that all mafia has to do is kill the other mafia. Infiltrating townie circles is a lot less useful than it is in games with just one mafia. + Show Spoiler + On February 16 2010 06:34 Caller wrote: a) lies b) truths, but still it'd be nice to have them along. Now that I think about isn't Fishball here? Or is he afk troll again? c) I see malongo is playing, hmm d) While this statement surely is true, if you're putting KP against DTs, that's KP that can't be used against potential mafia suspects. I'm not sure if Mafia would be willing to forego that KP when the other mafia can just as easily put all their hits and possibly do more damage to the first mafia. KP is too important in this game to be wasted on town players (even DTs) when the other side can take advantage of this fact and hit them. + Show Spoiler + On February 16 2010 06:37 Caller wrote: First of all, why would we posts lists of confirmed mafia? This isn't Ver's "medics stay away" list, and we don't have listchecks either. More importantly, if we find out that they are all the same members of the same family, we can very easily turn all our efforts into hunting down the other family to restore the balance of power. It's very easy to adapt to a change in circumstance like this. + Show Spoiler + On February 16 2010 07:11 Caller wrote: your many traps that you lay appear to be just subtle trolls to provoke responses. I'm not saying that they're not valid sources of information, I'm just saying they're trolls designed to trip people up. It doesn't really help establish order in the town is my concern. + Show Spoiler + On February 17 2010 10:16 Caller wrote: Time for Caller's shitty clue analysis: I think the most interesting things here are the fact that this is likely the same mafiaso that was really "bright" in the day 1 post. Since Empyrean was dead and green, this clue must point to somebody else. Now before anyone mentions it, I'm going to immediately say that if this clue points to Amber[Light], I'm going to cut myself. This intruder I would guess to be some kind of a ninja, considering that a) the mafiaso was able to get there quickly, killed Zato with sharp objects (shurikens, anyone?) and was nowhere to be seen, although there was a hole behind the door, which could have been something else. I'm honestly a little bit confused about this clue. I'm guessing that the clue here is the miniature sphinx, but I have absolutely no idea whose profile this points to. This mafia appears to be killing with the white particles, of course. I would guess that the particles are anthrax or something like that, or it could be some kind of pollen or allergies? I would guess that this mafiaso isn't necessarily a team person or someone that has multiple people in their profile, but has more to deal with the pan that was flung into the face. What kind of person tends to throw pans, however, I do not know. I would say a This is the most interesting part, I think. Why would BC's death be mentioned twice when none of the others are? The fact that there is a metal pike involved as opposed to the sphinx suggests that maybe BC was hit by both mafia. This would also likely account for the missing hit. As for whom the pike clue points too, I thought of Mystlord's profile picture, but I'm pretty sure that's a red herring as well. In any case, the best use of early round clues is to check back with dead mafia. I.e. if we find a dead mafia, we could hopefully track him to some of these clues to get an idea of Incognito's style. + Show Spoiler + On February 17 2010 23:55 Caller wrote: Citi.zen, to be fair, Ver is known for mass PM style along with big informative posts intermittently. I can vouch for him in this regard as I have played with him when he used this style in Ace's Mafia World. As for LucasWoJ, he hasn't really committed anything important to town, which might be a scumtell, but I also know that he tends to let things roll for a bit before he does anything. Although, this could be an instance of chainsaw defense... + Show Spoiler + On February 19 2010 10:26 Caller wrote: is this the first time you've been bragging about this? also, since Mystlord was confirmed scum, that puts Madnessman's chainsaw defense into the realm of scumtell... As for the mod kill, I'm guessing that Phujakawas /w/e his name is might be the person we're looking for in relation to the meadow/white powder clue. If that clue doesn't pop up again, we can be sure that it was the one that linked to him. The fact that we also got Mystlord now gives us an avenue to look for clues. But there's one more thing that we should go over, and that's Mystlord's interesting post, where he states how we should be careful for: I'm looking at the list, and I am curious as to why a significant amount of other veteran players are not on the list. There are many other players that we should definitely keep an eye on, such as Chezinu, Opz, Lucas, Shikyo, Foolishness, nemy, and SugiraMidori, to name a few. But I'm not entirely sure why Zona is on the list. It may be that I just haven't really seem him play at all, but as far as I know he died night 2 in Incognito's game and that was about it. He also really hasn't contributed that much (although with SC2 activity has probably been killed, mostly). In any case, we should be highly suspect of this list since Mystlord put it out when his death was all but certain. I would personally suspect that at least one person on here is mafia. The other alternative for the list might be that these are suspects of Mystlord's family. In which case, we should knowingly keep this list in the back of our heads in the event that one mafia side appears to have an advantage over the other. If the Gambino side is winning, we can "remove" this list from our suspects. If the Sumiyoshi side is winning, we should definitely pay more attention to potential clues that we can connect to people on this list. + Show Spoiler + On February 20 2010 10:17 Caller wrote: So here are the mayoral candidates: BloodyC0bbler dead townie citi.zen l10f meeple dead townie Ver Ace dead townie redtooth Bill Murray dead townie DoctorHelvetica dead sumiyoshi So now we're down to citi.zen, l10f, Ver, and redtooth. I'm betting at least one of these guys is scummy. I doubt it's Ver, redtooth's been afk, citi.zen's still been contributing, and l10f has been afk. meh I would contribute more but watching people play SC2 is just too big of a priority right now -_- maybe more thinking later + Show Spoiler + On February 21 2010 03:20 Caller wrote: ~Opz always has good clue analysis. This is something that people should really, really pay attention too -_- + Show Spoiler + + Show Spoiler + On February 21 2010 12:34 Caller wrote: afaik, me, Ace, and Ver, all got this PM from redtooth: that's the only reason i voted for him. As for my activity, I've already stated that SC2 has just been dragging my activity down (and as I'm sure, many other peoples'). More importantly, I am not a good player. We've gone over this multiple times. I can't clue analyze for shit, I can't behavior analyze for shit, I just make plans that apparently nobody listens to. I'm still curious as to why redtooth didn't release the bodyguard list. It would help us a LOT. Even if the BGs just came forward and RCd it would help us a lot. Consider that one of them is mafia (SM) at least, and one wonders why they would put a godfather in the BG position. Does nobody think this odd? Why would a godfather be in the BG position? The way I see it, there are three scenarios (obviously) and their implications are as follows: A) redtooth is Sumiyoshi. Thus, Gambinos put in SM to take away from his BG protection. B) redtooth is town. Gambinos put in SM because they think he might be Sumiyoshi. C) redtooth is Gambino. Gambinos put in SM to give him full protection/mindfuck us. The way I see it, if we lynch redtooth, or even threaten to, we can pressure him into giving us information like who the bodyguards are. If the bodyguards die off, we will be able to get a better idea of what side is killing the bodyguards. Who knows, if redtooth is indeed town and both mafia suspect that he is scum, we might see hits overlap, resulting in wasted KP for the mafia. I highly doubt either mafia put in more than one BG poser, because mafiasos will always take the safe, cautious route, instead of the more risky route. It's a scumtell when players tend to play too cautiously because it implies that they fear getting implicated and dying, when in fact an ordinary townie does not have this fear, especially in a scenario where mafia do not want to kill town vs. the other mafia. In summary, I conclude that redtooth, you should tell trusted members of town (at least) the members of your bodyguard list. If you are town, you have nothing to fear from giving this information out, as long as mafia hit town they aren't hitting each other, which gives us more time to figure out who's who. Even if you are a medic, losing you at this point isn't a huge loss. Given that we have three mad hatters so far, there's probably going to be about as many medics, which is enough to deal with the reduced mafia KP that I expect shortly. Lynching redtooth right now, however, without this information, is just a bad idea. + Show Spoiler + On February 22 2010 02:28 Caller wrote: okay, all the SC2 streams are off. Time to do something. And that something is this: L, I'm almost 100% sure that you are town. Even if redtooth flips town I don't think there's any reason to lynch you. That lynch would rather be focused on the Sumiyoshi. Here's what we know so far and what we are speculating (in no particular order): a) SugiariaMidori was the Gambino GF and was substituted in as a bodyguard. b) redtooth may or may not be Sumiyoshi because he was a mayoral candidate that got a lot of votes for some reason. c) Ver is working with redtooth, therefore guilt by association suggests that Ver is also Sumiyoshi. d) DoctorHelvetica was also Sumiyoshi. Your argument implies that three Sumiyoshi members are actively taking control of the town, and that they all ran for mayor, knowingly putting themselves in the spotlight. Does that seem likely or reasonable, especially when only two of them at most are guaranteed protection from night hits that will almost assuredly hit this of candidates? Already one Sumiyoshi is dead that was a mayoral candidate. It has been emphasized over and over again that the mayoral candidates have a high chance of having mafia, and in the case where there are two mafia there should be at least two candidates, one from each side. However, the fact that SugiaraMidori was found as a GF suggests either a) redtooth is Sumiyoshi b) redtooth is town c) redtooth is Gambino and it was a mindfuck I suggest just exposing the bodyguard list, as I have said multiple times. If redtooth is town he has nothing to fear from doing so. If he truly is mafia we should see that one side would hit the bodyguard list, because if they don't there's no way to kill him. And depending on whether or not we see a Sumiyoshi as a bodyguard, that may tell us whether or not redtooth is truly town affiliated or scum. Remember, it's not a bad thing for town members to die in this game from night hits, even if redtooth is a medic. The primary job for town is to preserve the balance of power that exists between the two mafia, and whittle each side down until town wins. I understand that L is afraid that the Sumiyoshi are in control here. But lynching redtooth right off the bat here I feel is too aggressive of a move off a rather sketchy clue (although behavior is certainly fishy). The bodyguard list would do the exact same thing, except we would also get a better idea of the composition of the bodyguard list, and we may or may not prevent a medic from getting lynched when the balance of power is this fragile. That said, until redtooth agrees to release this list, which I have advocated since like the beginning of the game, I'm going to vote for him. Plain and simple. + Show Spoiler + On February 22 2010 09:23 Caller wrote: see L, I told you that he had nothing to do with me -_- This also means for you townies that Ver is basically innocent and now we're down to 2 KP and down 2 members. Awesome. Not to mention I gave myself away, which is going to bring us down even more -_-. When I was talking about balance of power the entire game, it wasn't a bad idea for town to listen to what I had to say -_- Although you guys should probably get the bodyguards to roleclaim, seeing as how the mayor was townie. If we get all the bodyguards you might find a Sumiyoshi there. If not then you have confirmed townies. + Show Spoiler + On February 25 2010 07:18 Caller wrote: ohi guys im back sc2's starting to bore me anyways i hears people wanna kill me have fun with that but lemme ask you this suppose i am really sumiyoshi. Why didn't I die last night? If I was sumiyoshi and false claimed, the Gambinos can see that as an obvious hit. The answer is, of course, the fact that my mafia is a bunch of lazy uncoordinated crackheads that are completely incapable of reading the thread, doing character analysis, or paying any attention at all. In any case I happen to have a filtered list of roles (aka, people who aren't dead) that I accumulated from random people. Feel free to make of it what you will. obviously i hid the members of my mafia among both scum and town but let's see who the sumiyoshi hit tonight. 5. johnnyspazz green 8. Vivi57 green 11. XeliN mad hatter 12. Amber[Light] green 13. Fishball veteran 14. QuickStriker scum 16. dozko green 17. Nikon scum 18. tree.hugger medic 19. ShoCkeyy scum 22. meeple scum 23. Chezinu DT 24. Scamp green 26. L (Pardoner) green 28. Iaaan green 29. ~OpZ~ green 30. sidesprang scum 32. Caller scum 33. ohN green 34. Abenson veteran 38. CynanMachae scum 40. tredmasta green 44. [NyC]HoBbes green 45. Versatile green 47. Malongo DT 48. decafchicken veteran 50. Foolishness green 51. madnessman green and now back to SC2, not going to really reply too much here, this game got boring since somebody hit Ace without me knowing -_- use this info to find more sushiyomi scum plz | ||
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Scamp
United States1086 Posts
On February 26 2010 15:46 L wrote: I don't see how a useless non-posting mafia player with multiple solid clue links should be a lower priority than a DT. You exaggerate the truth with "multiple solid clue links" and I say that if he is a DT, and a very public one, he should prove it. Also I'm not mafia. I can sort of prove it with voting records. I'm curious about this list of people who voted for me on day 3 and then left. Scamp Votes: 1 Chezinu L Caller johnnyspazz tree.hugger Nikoner There should be lines through everyone but Nikoner. This could be a nice collection of mafia....and also Nikoner. It should be fairly obvious through the context of the thread that the probability of me being bussed is very low. Thus, confirmed mafia Caller and Johnnyspazz agree on something here, along with mafia suspects L, Chezinu, and tree.hugger. Both mafia families know that I'm not with them, and they should also know by now that I'm not with the other side either. | ||
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Malongo
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There is plenty of clues relating to plumber-> luigi. and L has definetively played NOT pro-town. johnnyspazz is selfclaimed mafia. And i think we should use another double lynch because this is just too tight for us. Right now we are 11 against 11. For tomorrow lynch i found some good clue analysis but, lets go with the lynch first. | ||
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Malongo
Chile3472 Posts
On February 26 2010 16:00 Scamp wrote: I'd also appreciate it if Sidesprang and Tredmasta would speak up. Especially Sidesprang in order to explain his last vote. Sidesprang is smafia. + Show Spoiler + Seeing that his partner had succeeded, the last Mafioso decided that luck was on his side. He lurched through the shadows, eager to finish his last kill. After all, his target was the lowly decafchicken. Upon reaching the house, Caller knocked on the door. For some reason, decafchicken’s friend opened the door, and was slightly suspicious of Caller, and accused him of his unwanted behaviors: rigging the market, sabotaging the financial system, and supporting the aristocracy of money. Caller however, was not disturbed by the accusations, smashed the door in, knocking decafchicken’s friend to the floor. He soon found decafchicken in the kitchen. Unfortunately, decafchicken had time to prepare due to his friend’s attempt to stall, and thrust a kitchen knife at Caller’s chest. But Caller was well prepared, and began to taunt decafchicken, who quickly became angry. In a matter of moments, Caller’s had decafchicken decapitated by his own knife. Content, Caller thought he should finish the job completely, and walked toward the front door, ready to finish decafchicken’s friend off. Unfortunately, the man was gone. Frantic, Caller ran out into the street, looking for any signs of the missing man. But he did not see his doom approaching or hear the voices of warning coming from the bridge above. In a matter of seconds, Caller was turned into a pincushion as he was hit from the side. The only traces of any action came from the dust cloud that was disappearing in the distance. See sidesprang picture. | ||
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L
Canada4732 Posts
On February 26 2010 15:58 Scamp wrote: You exaggerate the truth with "multiple solid clue links" and I say that if he is a DT, and a very public one, he should prove it. Also I'm not mafia. I can sort of prove it with voting records. I'm curious about this list of people who voted for me on day 3 and then left. Scamp Votes: 1 Chezinu L Caller johnnyspazz tree.hugger Nikoner There should be lines through everyone but Nikoner. This could be a nice collection of mafia....and also Nikoner. It should be fairly obvious through the context of the thread that the probability of me being bussed is very low. Thus, confirmed mafia Caller and Johnnyspazz agree on something here, along with mafia suspects L, Chezinu, and tree.hugger. Both mafia families know that I'm not with them, and they should also know by now that I'm not with the other side either. You probably remember the context of that vote better than I do; I linked you to the shitter clue and said "feel free to disprove me", you came up with another possibility for the clue, so we killed redtooth instead like morons. If caller, spazz and hugger wanted to try and bus you, I sure as fuck stopped it when I said you were right and injected enough doubt with your rebuttal. But how exactly does that make you innocent? Right now the votes on me: L: (5) Scamp Amber[LighT] tree.hugger Versatile sidesprang Scamp, amber, tree.hugger and sidesprang all are likely mafia members. 4/5 Pretty damning. I guess by your logic I'm innocent too. | ||
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Scamp
United States1086 Posts
On February 26 2010 16:11 L wrote: I linked you to the shitter clue and said "feel free to disprove me", you came up with another possibility for the clue, so we killed redtooth instead like morons. If caller, spazz and hugger wanted to try and bus you, I sure as fuck stopped it when I said you were right and injected enough doubt with your rebuttal. But how exactly does that make you innocent? Right now the votes on me: L: (5) Scamp Amber[LighT] tree.hugger Versatile sidesprang Scamp, amber, tree.hugger and sidesprang all are likely mafia members. 4/5 Pretty damning. I guess by your logic I'm innocent too. Killing Redtooth had nothing to do with me providing another possibility. Also saying you stopped a bus goes against everything I said since my claim was that the probability of me being bussed was very low. And no, the votes on you now is not the same thing. There are no confirmed mafia in that list, just some probables. On my list are confirmed mafia from (most likely) both families as well as likely mafia. The confirmed part makes all the difference. I also asked for some evidence that Chez provided help to the town as a DT. What happened to that? Stop twisting/ignoring my words and start looking for reds like you said you were going to. Also do not ignore Malongo's posts. That goes for everyone. | ||
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L
Canada4732 Posts
On February 26 2010 16:22 Scamp wrote: Killing Redtooth had nothing to do with me providing another possibility. Also saying you stopped a bus goes against everything I said since my claim was that the probability of me being bussed was very low. And no, the votes on you now is not the same thing. There are no confirmed mafia in that list, just some probables. On my list are confirmed mafia from (most likely) both families as well as likely mafia. The confirmed part makes all the difference. I also asked for some evidence that Chez provided help to the town as a DT. What happened to that? Stop twisting/ignoring my words and start looking for reds like you said you were going to. Also do not ignore Malongo's posts. That goes for everyone. Had plenty to do with it. You were the best candidate for that lynch until you suggested chez for the same clue. I'm not going to fault you on trying to protect yourself; that's natural, but it was a part of the cause. The confirmed part really doesn't make a difference because the same people who are highly suspicious are the ones trying to counter bus to save themselves, and the votes against you were all happily retracted. Those people did not keep their votes on you in a tightly contested race to the death (which seems to actually be the case here, so which is more compelling?). Behaviorally you still haven't even bothered to produce anything when not threatened with the gallows, despite being called out twice. Either way, if you die and flip anything other than red, chez and foolishness look really bad. And I am looking for reds. Its 3 am, but I plan on posting pretty much full lists of both families as far as I can tell tomorrow with clues on everyone. That's what I was telling people to wait for, but it seems some antsy mafia can't wait to try and bus me to death so they can coast to victory. | ||
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sidesprang
Norway1033 Posts
On February 26 2010 16:00 Scamp wrote: I'd also appreciate it if Sidesprang and Tredmasta would speak up. Especially Sidesprang in order to explain his last vote. First, my votes are not set in stone. If so i would not have voted so early. But its the weekend coming up and i know im definatly going out on saturday(and the voting closes 1AM(or something like that) in norway. So i had to vote something in case i wont have the time later, ofc i could have abstained but i think scamp is mafia and that L might be and he voting scamp, because of the cluelink towards you. voting L, because he has lead this town on so many wrong turns. And i don't see any real proof of him beeing non mafia, and if he is mafia he has gotten away with far to much allready. reasons for not voting johnnyspaz who i think is definatly mafia, let the other mafia team kill him. And to the clue link from malongo, im not really sure what aristocracy of money means but for the rest of the first bold sentence i feel that is a huge strech. And im not decafchickens friend  And the bold part number two. That has to be a clue to johhnyspaz, i mean he gets turn into a pincushion. And he has a picture of sonic the hedgehog. | ||
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johnnyspazz
Taiwan1470 Posts
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Scamp
United States1086 Posts
On February 26 2010 16:59 sidesprang wrote: voting scamp, because of the cluelink towards you. Opinions on Chezinu, please. Behavior-wise you've either got to be the biggest "don't step on any toes" mafia ever or just a scared townie. The only reason why I'm not going to try to push anything on you right now is because if you're mafia, you're probably Gambino. | ||
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Amber[LighT]
United States5078 Posts
He continues to apply clues to players forcing their meaning to represent certain players he would like to see dead. He has proven that he cannot do any sort of clue analysis that's beneficial to the town. DO NOT LISTEN TO HIM. | ||
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Amber[LighT]
United States5078 Posts
Your arguments don't really make sense. If you suspect redtooth is mafia, you should be deadly afraid of his 3 votes, and you'd want information on chez/ver/caller. Caller admitted to being mafia. Chez got cluefucked. Ver's probably a GF. If we don't hit them now, we're going to lose more votes tomorrow, and redtooth is going to have 6 total votes during a double lynch. I don't personally give a shit regarding the BG list besides to hope that if it IS given out that we protect someone on it because i'm pretty sure I'm in danger of being killed tonight. But what's more: None of the rest of this PM makes sense: If redtooth isn't mafia, why would we want the mafia hitting bodyguards and missing mafia members? That's incredibly anti-town. Why would we hit someone expendable at all? Why hit Chez when Chez can soak up mafia hits during the night because he's clearly a target? I just don't get this PM at all. ----------------------------------------- Original Message: Okay here we go, I'll keep it brief: -I'm against giving the BG list out. If there are townie BG's they still protect you assuming you're a townie. -By killing redtooth, you've essentially risked the lives of Caller/Ver/Chez assuming redtooth flips red. Seems like an obvious hit for the other mafia family if they're going to act based upon your analytical methods. -Maybe we can not kill redtooth, but instead kill someone expendable, like Iaan (who I've had a problem with since day 1). He still has a sorta-connection with the redtooth clique from what I'm reading in the thread and it would be better if we kept the mafia family hunting for the bodyguards to take out Redtooth (town still has control over the game if we do this). -If you don't want to gun for Iaan then go for Chez. He's obviously trying hard to drown your posts and he's aligned with Ver/Redtooth it's too obvious. It would help clear some air too and you wouldn't have to risk yourself in the long run. So conclusion: I won't vote for Redtooth, but I'll vote for Chezinu or Iaan, otherwise I will abstain. We can revisit Redtooth later if need be. The votes are still townie-favored. There's plenty of us still alive. ----------------------------------------- Original Message: Hi guys. A lot of you are busy playing SC2 and couldn't give a rat's ass about mafia at the moment but that's a mistake! Exciting things are happening in that funky forum. In particular, the game's about to end. Please read pages 96-99 in the thread and see if what I'm saying makes sense. So far I suspect that Chez, Caller, Ver and Redtooth are all mafia and working together. Chez has a fantastic clue incriminating him and has essentially admitted to being mafia in pms. He's also spamming the thread right now and trying to get people to ignore what I'm saying. Redtooth has another uncontested clue against him and has been unfaltering in his support of ver. More importantly, he essentially outted himself in public by admitting that he knew which team was responsible for which hits. He was voted in largely on the strength of Caller/Ver/Chez giving him an early boost, which is odd because his campaign didn't have any content in it. Redtooth claimed medic early and then refused to go along with malongo's confirmation plan too. Caller is quick to admit that he's bad at mafia and busy playing SC2, but he responds instantly to criticism and was protected by Ver's early medic list. That said, he doesn't really produce anything for the town. Ver, well read the thread. This isn't assured: That's why I want to kill redtooth tonight to see if he flips red. If he flips green, I'll volunteer myself to get lynched the following day. If I'm right, mafia have access to all our DTs, all our medics, and what seems to be an almost stalemate is about to explode drastically in one team's favor as they have medics prot their members and use DTs to find members of the other team. On top of that, they have the mayoral votes in a game where inactivity is huge; voting against their bloc is very hard unless town comes out en masse. At the very least read pages 96-99 and then spend a bit of time thinking about it. Thanks for your time -L He's defending Chezinu. The second I didn't want to lynch Ver/Redtooh he was NOT having my contribution. Everyone should vote for L AND JohnnySpazz tonight. Can we finally follow Malongo's plan for once this game? This is the only way we can obtain some god damned clarity in this game. If L flips red I'd have a hard time believing Chez or Iaan are pro-townie. | ||
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