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madnessman
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States1581 Posts
February 26 2010 14:55 GMT
#2481
Gahh, sorry all. Voted in thread somewhat blindly; will catch up on here soon and adjust my votes if necessary.
L
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Canada4732 Posts
February 26 2010 15:15 GMT
#2482
On February 26 2010 23:42 Amber[LighT] wrote:
He has jumped on my ass because of this PM session:

Show nested quote +
Your arguments don't really make sense. If you suspect redtooth is mafia, you should be deadly afraid of his 3 votes, and you'd want information on chez/ver/caller. Caller admitted to being mafia. Chez got cluefucked. Ver's probably a GF.

If we don't hit them now, we're going to lose more votes tomorrow, and redtooth is going to have 6 total votes during a double lynch.

I don't personally give a shit regarding the BG list besides to hope that if it IS given out that we protect someone on it because i'm pretty sure I'm in danger of being killed tonight.

But what's more: None of the rest of this PM makes sense: If redtooth isn't mafia, why would we want the mafia hitting bodyguards and missing mafia members? That's incredibly anti-town. Why would we hit someone expendable at all? Why hit Chez when Chez can soak up mafia hits during the night because he's clearly a target?

I just don't get this PM at all.

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Original Message:
Okay here we go, I'll keep it brief:
-I'm against giving the BG list out. If there are townie BG's they still protect you assuming you're a townie.
-By killing redtooth, you've essentially risked the lives of Caller/Ver/Chez assuming redtooth flips red. Seems like an obvious hit for the other mafia family if they're going to act based upon your analytical methods.
-Maybe we can not kill redtooth, but instead kill someone expendable, like Iaan (who I've had a problem with since day 1). He still has a sorta-connection with the redtooth clique from what I'm reading in the thread and it would be better if we kept the mafia family hunting for the bodyguards to take out Redtooth (town still has control over the game if we do this).
-If you don't want to gun for Iaan then go for Chez. He's obviously trying hard to drown your posts and he's aligned with Ver/Redtooth it's too obvious. It would help clear some air too and you wouldn't have to risk yourself in the long run.


So conclusion:
I won't vote for Redtooth, but I'll vote for Chezinu or Iaan, otherwise I will abstain. We can revisit Redtooth later if need be. The votes are still townie-favored. There's plenty of us still alive.

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Original Message:
Hi guys.

A lot of you are busy playing SC2 and couldn't give a rat's ass about mafia at the moment but that's a mistake! Exciting things are happening in that funky forum.

In particular, the game's about to end. Please read pages 96-99 in the thread and see if what I'm saying makes sense. So far I suspect that Chez, Caller, Ver and Redtooth are all mafia and working together.

Chez has a fantastic clue incriminating him and has essentially admitted to being mafia in pms. He's also spamming the thread right now and trying to get people to ignore what I'm saying.

Redtooth has another uncontested clue against him and has been unfaltering in his support of ver. More importantly, he essentially outted himself in public by admitting that he knew which team was responsible for which hits. He was voted in largely on the strength of Caller/Ver/Chez giving him an early boost, which is odd because his campaign didn't have any content in it. Redtooth claimed medic early and then refused to go along with malongo's confirmation plan too.

Caller is quick to admit that he's bad at mafia and busy playing SC2, but he responds instantly to criticism and was protected by Ver's early medic list. That said, he doesn't really produce anything for the town.

Ver, well read the thread.

This isn't assured: That's why I want to kill redtooth tonight to see if he flips red. If he flips green, I'll volunteer myself to get lynched the following day.

If I'm right, mafia have access to all our DTs, all our medics, and what seems to be an almost stalemate is about to explode drastically in one team's favor as they have medics prot their members and use DTs to find members of the other team. On top of that, they have the mayoral votes in a game where inactivity is huge; voting against their bloc is very hard unless town comes out en masse.

At the very least read pages 96-99 and then spend a bit of time thinking about it.

Thanks for your time

-L


He's defending Chezinu. The second I didn't want to lynch Ver/Redtooh he was NOT having my contribution. Everyone should vote for L AND JohnnySpazz tonight. Can we finally follow Malongo's plan for once this game? This is the only way we can obtain some god damned clarity in this game. If L flips red I'd have a hard time believing Chez or Iaan are pro-townie.


1) You voted to kill redtooth.

2) Look at what you're actually saying in that pm. You're asking townies to get hit over mafia members. That's pretty fucked.

3) I'm not trying to kill you because of that set of PMs. I found a really good clue link to you. That said there are even better links to scamp and tree.hugger, but I'm still persuadable on that.

The fact that tree.hugger has 2 votes when Ver's been trying to kill him since day 2 is pretty hilarious. You guys are getting bussssssssssssssed.
The number you have dialed is out of porkchops.
XeliN
Profile Joined June 2009
United Kingdom1755 Posts
February 26 2010 15:54 GMT
#2483
I'm going to vote for Amber and Chezinu, Amber seems to be acting in a very mafia fashion contributing little yet trying to accuse people, L seems townie to me after speaking with him although i am still uncomfortable with the way he managed to manipulate everyone, myself included, into voting for redtooth. Chezinu if you would please provide some reason to not vote for you I would really appreciate it but currently the way you are acting means I feel like i don't have a choice.
Adonai bless
XeliN
Profile Joined June 2009
United Kingdom1755 Posts
February 26 2010 15:57 GMT
#2484
And if Johnny is not dead by the start of next voting session I think we have to vote for him
Adonai bless
Chezinu
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7448 Posts
February 26 2010 19:54 GMT
#2485
Hey guys I'm back. Was afk doing a lot of work...

Lol@mafia trying to kill me. Why can't you kill me at night? Don't want to go boom?

I've already proven myself.. I help catch two mafia and I helped form town circles. Rolechecking townie > rolechecking mafia. We want the mafia to kill themselves obv.. Plus, I have confirmed so many townies that they can't kill us all in one night. So if one mafia decides to kill our Circle it would take them 3 days... The Circle owns and the ones who are in it know it.

/sleep maybe I'll see how long I can last on here.
lol, clueless in The Prism!
Chezinu
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7448 Posts
February 26 2010 19:55 GMT
#2486
On February 27 2010 00:57 XeliN wrote:
And if Johnny is not dead by the start of next voting session I think we have to vote for him

you shouldn't procrastinate...
lol, clueless in The Prism!
XeliN
Profile Joined June 2009
United Kingdom1755 Posts
February 26 2010 22:22 GMT
#2487
Who, who are the mafia you helped catch, what was your role in helping catch them? The other is abit more difficult as it could potentially help the mafia if you reveal but just saying "i have confirmed so many townies that they can't...." ammounts to nothing. You can give no evidence of this just simply say it, there seems to be no-one here who is putting forward a strong argument against lynching you and if people can i would like them to as well.

Everything in that post, so far ammounts to, "ive done this and that honest trust me, lols!"
Adonai bless
XeliN
Profile Joined June 2009
United Kingdom1755 Posts
February 26 2010 22:26 GMT
#2488
If you look in the voting section he is even voting for people simply in order to save himself, seriously lynch chezinu this is getting ridiculous. If he's innocent then i would consider it his fault for continuously refusing to actually back up what he is saying.
Adonai bless
L
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Canada4732 Posts
February 26 2010 22:34 GMT
#2489
On February 27 2010 07:22 XeliN wrote:
Who, who are the mafia you helped catch, what was your role in helping catch them? The other is abit more difficult as it could potentially help the mafia if you reveal but just saying "i have confirmed so many townies that they can't...." ammounts to nothing. You can give no evidence of this just simply say it, there seems to be no-one here who is putting forward a strong argument against lynching you and if people can i would like them to as well.

Everything in that post, so far ammounts to, "ive done this and that honest trust me, lols!"

You realize pretty much every post today amounts to either "I'm honest, trust me" or "He's untrustworthy, kill him". There's been almost zero work done besides that.

Pretty standard mafia mudslinging going on here. I was out all day so I'm going to post my team lists early tomorrow after they're complete. When I die and you guys realize how stupid you were to kill me, maybe you can salvage the game using the information I give you.

Also; if there's another legit detective out there, you should probably claim to town asap because a certain someone's credibility rests solidly on the fact that you haven't claimed.
The number you have dialed is out of porkchops.
Malongo
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Chile3472 Posts
February 26 2010 22:35 GMT
#2490
pffff 26 hours to lynch... way to delay the drama.
Help me! im still improving my English. An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind. M. G.
XeliN
Profile Joined June 2009
United Kingdom1755 Posts
February 26 2010 22:37 GMT
#2491
Yes but L there is a difference, he is actually claiming things. That he is the DT, that he has been active in bringing down 2 mafia already, that he has organised a group of proven town members e.t.c so for him to post in a way that ammounts to nothing seems far worse than someone doing so who hasn't actually claimed anything.

Thats how i see it anyway...
Adonai bless
XeliN
Profile Joined June 2009
United Kingdom1755 Posts
February 26 2010 22:45 GMT
#2492
Also it's a shame your going to get voted, seems pretty clear to me now that your not mafia, although str8 after red's death i wanted you lynched as well...
Adonai bless
L
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Canada4732 Posts
February 26 2010 22:56 GMT
#2493
On February 27 2010 07:45 XeliN wrote:
Also it's a shame your going to get voted, seems pretty clear to me now that your not mafia, although str8 after red's death i wanted you lynched as well...

Well, if i die and it helps the town out, so be it. The only real question for me is how much can I figure out before I die and how can I post it so that we pull ahead. I felt really shit after killing redtooth because I honestly thought he was mafia. I was right about caller being on sumiyoshi, and I might still be right about chez, but for now I think we have better targets than him.

Chez claims he's checked like 3-4 people who've flipped green, and that's cool. Maybe he's lying. Maybe he isn't. Regardless, the easiest way to see if he's lying is to kill scamp, but for some reason scamp/him are tied.

Additionally, targets like amber and tree.hugger, who have been playing incredibly obvious as mafia, or players like OhN, who have a ton of clues pointing to them but don't fucking post aren't being looked at.

This is pretty much what the mafia tried to do to us in mini-mafia 2, but it blew up in their face because we went after them for it. This game has essentially been a huge amount of town pointing fingers at each other and mafia not even bothering to post because no one is looking their way.

Its as if people haven't even bothered to look at the game's win condition or think about how we're going to get from here to 8 dead on both teams without having one team fully dead.
The number you have dialed is out of porkchops.
Malongo
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Chile3472 Posts
February 26 2010 23:00 GMT
#2494
On February 27 2010 07:34 L wrote: responding to xelin
Everything in that post, so far ammounts to, "ive done this and that honest trust me, lols!"
You realize pretty much every post today amounts to either "I'm honest, trust me" or "He's untrustworthy, kill him". There's been almost zero work done besides that.

Wrong. I have posted clues, may be bad as they look but they are something, at least scamps and sidesprangs look pretty decent to me. I also posted that there are several clues pointing to plumbing, guess who has a plumber in his profile. Even better, i posted a list of guys that look very mafia from the voting pattern (6 of them abstained first two days and both mafia have consistently killed the other guys on that list). From there CYNANMACHAE is very likely to be mafia.

Pretty standard mafia mudslinging going on here. I was out all day so I'm going to post my team lists early tomorrow after they're complete. When I die and you guys realize how stupid you were to kill me, maybe you can salvage the game using the information I give you.

Yep, everything looks mafia in this game. Sorry but you look mafia the most and you have the pardon ability that is more likely to hurt the town more than to help it. And for the last time: if you were actually townie you would be the first to agree that lynching you is not stupid at all. I mean lets put it plain clear: mass pm calling to lynch redtooth against a checked mafia¿ SERIOUSLY¿¿¿

Also; if there's another legit detective out there, you should probably claim to town asap because a certain someone's credibility rests solidly on the fact that you haven't claimed.

If there is a DT out there keep your shit for you until you do in fact find mafia in wich case choose your mouth as you please.
Help me! im still improving my English. An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind. M. G.
Scamp
Profile Joined October 2008
United States1086 Posts
February 26 2010 23:08 GMT
#2495
I was starting to think that L and I might be two sides of the same coin, but his continual insistence to doing nothing (at least publicly) has doomed him in my eyes. If he's scumhunting in PMs then someone needs to step up and defend him.

He keeps mentioning me as a solid cluelink, even though there's only one clue that's actually solid toward me and even then he admitted that it's more likely to point toward Chezinu. Continually pointing the finger at me is not scumhunting.

I asked Foolishness and L to defend Chezinu over a day ago. Neither has stepped up to offer anything. So let me ask the seven people who are voting for me: why? What makes me the most likely candidate? Is it because L said that some clues point to me?

I've noted how I've been targeted, SERIOUSLY targeted by both mafia families. That claim simply hasn't been countered. I simply ask: where is the suspicion coming from? I am simply a green townie, and my history/actions should prove that.
Cheese is good for you!
Iaaan
Profile Joined June 2009
Canada578 Posts
February 26 2010 23:12 GMT
#2496
To justify my vote:
The people I think that are most likely mafia at this point are sidesprang, Johnnyspazz, opz, Tree.hugger, and maybe shocckey.
The reason to vote to lynch Chezinu is because the way I see it he is a little suspicious, but it is also very possible that he is the DT. Him flipping DT proves the innocence of vivi and hobbes, the people that he claimed to rolecheck, and him flipping red kills a red, lol. At this point when there are so few town aligned people left, if we can be sure of who are townies, then that narrows down the possibility of finding mafia members by alot. Plus at this point I think the DT is less useful then before, since they will have used all their rolechecks.
Malongo
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Chile3472 Posts
February 26 2010 23:13 GMT
#2497
On February 27 2010 08:08 Scamp wrote:
I was starting to think that L and I might be two sides of the same coin, but his continual insistence to doing nothing (at least publicly) has doomed him in my eyes. If he's scumhunting in PMs then someone needs to step up and defend him.

He keeps mentioning me as a solid cluelink, even though there's only one clue that's actually solid toward me and even then he admitted that it's more likely to point toward Chezinu. Continually pointing the finger at me is not scumhunting.

I asked Foolishness and L to defend Chezinu over a day ago. Neither has stepped up to offer anything. So let me ask the seven people who are voting for me: why? What makes me the most likely candidate? Is it because L said that some clues point to me?

I've noted how I've been targeted, SERIOUSLY targeted by both mafia families. That claim simply hasn't been countered. I simply ask: where is the suspicion coming from? I am simply a green townie, and my history/actions should prove that.

Dont come here to defend yourself like that now.
Help me! im still improving my English. An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind. M. G.
Scamp
Profile Joined October 2008
United States1086 Posts
February 26 2010 23:15 GMT
#2498
On February 27 2010 07:56 L wrote:
Chez claims he's checked like 3-4 people who've flipped green, and that's cool. Maybe he's lying. Maybe he isn't. Regardless, the easiest way to see if he's lying is to kill scamp, but for some reason scamp/him are tied.

Additionally, targets like amber and tree.hugger, who have been playing incredibly obvious as mafia, or players like OhN, who have a ton of clues pointing to them but don't fucking post aren't being looked at.


I still don't know why you insist that killing me sheds light on Chez. Did Chez check me and say I was anything? No he did not. All you have is one clue that could possibly point to either me or Chez, and that's it. So killing me doesn't exactly shed a great amount of light on him.

I also find it difficult to believe that a DT with 4 checks can't find a mafia in this game.


On the other hand, if a bandwagon starts to go after OhN I'd be in support of that. I'd also support one against Tredmasta and Cynanmachae.
Cheese is good for you!
Malongo
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Chile3472 Posts
February 26 2010 23:19 GMT
#2499
On February 27 2010 08:15 Scamp wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 27 2010 07:56 L wrote:
Chez claims he's checked like 3-4 people who've flipped green, and that's cool. Maybe he's lying. Maybe he isn't. Regardless, the easiest way to see if he's lying is to kill scamp, but for some reason scamp/him are tied.

Additionally, targets like amber and tree.hugger, who have been playing incredibly obvious as mafia, or players like OhN, who have a ton of clues pointing to them but don't fucking post aren't being looked at.


I still don't know why you insist that killing me sheds light on Chez. Did Chez check me and say I was anything? No he did not. All you have is one clue that could possibly point to either me or Chez, and that's it. So killing me doesn't exactly shed a great amount of light on him.

I also find it difficult to believe that a DT with 4 checks can't find a mafia in this game.


On the other hand, if a bandwagon starts to go after OhN I'd be in support of that. I'd also support one against Tredmasta and Cynanmachae.

Thats the most stupid thing you may have said all game long and proves you have no fucking clue about how to play townie. In the most basic sense it says hey! i support virtually any last second badwagon so i dont get killed.
Help me! im still improving my English. An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind. M. G.
Foolishness *
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States3044 Posts
February 26 2010 23:23 GMT
#2500
On February 27 2010 08:08 Scamp wrote:
I was starting to think that L and I might be two sides of the same coin, but his continual insistence to doing nothing (at least publicly) has doomed him in my eyes. If he's scumhunting in PMs then someone needs to step up and defend him.

He keeps mentioning me as a solid cluelink, even though there's only one clue that's actually solid toward me and even then he admitted that it's more likely to point toward Chezinu. Continually pointing the finger at me is not scumhunting.

I asked Foolishness and L to defend Chezinu over a day ago. Neither has stepped up to offer anything. So let me ask the seven people who are voting for me: why? What makes me the most likely candidate? Is it because L said that some clues point to me?

I've noted how I've been targeted, SERIOUSLY targeted by both mafia families. That claim simply hasn't been countered. I simply ask: where is the suspicion coming from? I am simply a green townie, and my history/actions should prove that.


I have defended Chezinu.

You're only being targeted because there's nobody else to kill right now. Chezinu, L, and myself are honestly trying to figure out who's mafia but the rest of the town is bandwagoning our only DT left (probably) and our clearly innocent Pardoner. From my perspective, I have to weed out the mafia from the rest of the inactive town, and they are all voting together (basically, it's nearly impossible to figure out anything).

I voted for you because L claimed you dying would prove Chezinu innocent. That doesn't hold true anymore. To be honest I don't want to kill you because there are definitely much better targets to go after. However, the entire town mafia included is killing the two most innocent people. I have a choice to vote between you, a DT, and a clearly innocent L. Who do you think I'm going to vote for?

I would gladly like to kill off someone else (amber, tree.hugger, malongo) but that doesn't seem possible. Truth is, there is absolutely no reason to not vote tree.hugger right now. He is the most clear cut mafia member in this town (minus johnnyspazz) and he's been targeted nearly the entire game by lots of innocent people. If you really weren't mafia you should be voting for tree.hugger at the very least. The fact that you haven't makes you much much much more suspicious (along with nearly every other person in this game).

If you want to defend yourself, start by finding mafia for us to kill and stop accusing innocents (Chez and L).
geript: "Foolishness's cases are persuasive and reasonable but leave you feeling dirty afterwards. Kinda like a whore." ---- Manager of the TL Mafia forum, come play!
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