On January 19 2010 12:10 Faronel wrote:
That Bill Murray character seems suspicious
That Bill Murray character seems suspicious
Accusations already! Seems equally suspicious.
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On January 19 2010 12:10 Faronel wrote: That Bill Murray character seems suspicious Accusations already! Seems equally suspicious. | ||
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On January 20 2010 07:05 Fallen_arK wrote: Red Leader standing by Break off the attack, the shield is still up! .... It's a trap! | ||
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I've got nothing so far for #2. Also, sorry I didn't have a quote/sig and what not. I'm new to the game, I'll get some stuff up for the next time since it is already too late. | ||
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On January 21 2010 00:56 meeple wrote: Show nested quote + On January 21 2010 00:54 789 wrote: Well if you want to stretch for number 2. IIRC Bisu translates into something equivelent like assassin's blade, which could fit with the thin blade. Bisu has a reputation for complaining about maps (undeserving or not, not trying to stir any of that kind of stuff up). And Jayme's quote is complaing about python. Then there is your vile dirty scum one. It's a MAJOR stretch though lol. Ah thats rough... yeah I was just throwing it out there. Definitely not enough to lynch off For sure. I thought I was onto something with the Bisu thing though, but I've checked everyone's profile twice and got no connection. | ||
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I've just started looking at this list, I'll let you know if I see anything. | ||
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The closest I came was Phrujbaz to a Phurba. They are decently close, but the R and U being switched makes me think that it is unrelated. | ||
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But yeah, whoever the mayor ends up being doesn't have much to go on for the first lynching. Hopefully day 2 will have some nice clues for us. | ||
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But yeah, there isn't enough to risk lynching a potential detective or medic or some other blue going fishing for a mafia. | ||
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But if the person he chooses ended up being a mafia that the townies wanted to lynch, it would remove suspicion from himself. Lynching a random person that ends up being mafia would make him look suspicious since the mafia know who eachother are. So unless he has a good reason to suspect that person or the townies want it that way, it would seem that he either got lucky or picked someone he knew was a mafia to make himself look good (but ends up making him look suspicious). | ||
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Yeah, I won't start doing any PM type action until I'm convinced someone isn't mafia. I've already been handing them enough information by talking about how I expect a mafia mayor to act lol. | ||
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If I did give my list it wouldn't mean anything anyway. If I'm wrong the mafia could off me to throw suspicion on others. If I'm right and I live it will throw suspicion off them. But at the same time right or wrong it could mean nothing but reverse psychology. | ||
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At this point I'm actually expecting to get hit on night 1. The mafia does have nothing to lose from killing me, and they will probably see it that way. Attention Mafia Members: I'm most likely wrong, please spare me :D | ||
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DoctorHelvetica Meeple Bill Murray Citi.zen I noticed a voting pattern between the four of them. First Doctor and Meeple voted for eachother and seem to support eachother for no apparent reason. Bill Murray originally voted for citi.zen, but changed his vote to meeple when it was apparent meeple was receiving other votes and citi.zen was not. Citi.zen originally voted for doctor, but changed his vote to meeple when it appeared doctor was getting a lot of votes. It started to seem like they were trying to get both meeple and doctor elected. Bill Murray also did what might have been a slip up posting "we need to get meeple out here hitting the campaign trail" Anyway, that's my flimsy list that's probably wrong and going to get me killed for announcing. | ||
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The thin knife. The only thing I can comp up with is DoctorH if the writer is taking the Doctor part literally (surgical knife). But that's way too little to go on, and stabbing someone wouldn't be a very doctor like thing to do. I guess we're left with the closet stuffing/cleaning up the blood then. There might be some sort of connection I am missing there. Or it is possible we weren't meant to find anything out about #2 and should concentrate one #1's behavior. | ||
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On January 22 2010 02:01 Ng5 wrote: Show nested quote + On January 22 2010 01:57 citi.zen wrote: Lynching someone is: a. mandatory under the rules; and b. meant to reveal to us information we previously did not have, to help test theories, people and alliances. Don't waste it with random killings. More air for the rest of us. ![]() Are you implying that Liquidia has an air shortage? Is this game going to turn out like the movie Space Balls? If so, I suggest we figure out who Lone Starr is right away and ride him to victory. | ||
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On January 21 2010 14:07 t_co wrote: On the flip side, I request this--if meeples and DrH are both elected to mayor/sheriff, I want the town to lynch me as soon as possible to clear up the questions surrounding meeples and DrH. The sooner the blues can start linking up with sheriff or know to avoid him the better. T_co seems to advocate his own lynching for some reason. | ||
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Blue: we biff ourselves on our collective heads, then move on as normal Red: rejoice about taking a mafia down on our day 1 lynch. a) either go after anyone we perceive as a follower (I realize some might feel I belong in this category) b) proceed as normal with clues. | ||
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I think my reasoning there is decently sound. I could be wrong. At this point if I changed my vote off t_co it would be suspicious anyway. | ||
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Since we need to vote a day ahead for a double lynch, if we happen to figure out 2 mafia from 1 days worth of clues. Lynch one and incarcerate the other. Then we can vote for a double lynch and hope the next set of clues gives us another mafia so we can take 2 out at once. As for blue coordinating, for right now the announcing should be fine. It should give the blues a decent idea of what to do with their powers combined with the regular discussion. The worst possible thing we can do at this point is have our blue's too loose with announcing who they are and get killed off early. | ||
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My suggestion to the medics : pick those who are active. Losing an active person who ends up being a townie would be damaging. We need all the people analyzing clues we can get. | ||
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As for medics. I'm going to restate my suggestion to protect active posters for this first night. True we won't know which are townies and mafia, but it would be damaging to lose an active townie early. We have less to lose by losing some of the people who have posted only a couple or 0 times. I've got a list of 4 names I think would be good to protect. DoctorH and Meeples are the most active members, but they are also protected by elected positions. So off the post number list Zona posted a few pages ago: Bill Murray 789 (me) citi.zen Zona These are the next 4 in line in activity list excluding t_co who got lynched. Zona also brought us a script to extract post numbers. I think any of the 4 would be a good bet for medics, of couse bias says protect me! protect me! | ||
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Though I guess it wouldn't hurt to talk about the election and candidates until then. It is possible at least one of the candidates was mafia. But we can't be certain, because it is also possible the mafia sat back and laughed at the drama we created on our own. Personally, I can't single out any candidate at this point that I think is more likely to be mafia than any others. | ||
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Well I have a really out there suggestion, that would be pretty hard to implement. The only connection I can fathom off #2 from the day 1 clues would be thin knife = surgical knife, involving DoctorH. A detective could do a "does clue x point to y" check on it. The problem is we have no reliable way to relay this information. This could also backfire and lead to lynching a green/blue sherrif. It's an idea ... probably not a very good one. | ||
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A mafia could say DoctorH is red to get him lynched. If he flips green/blue the person who relayed the information becomes a lynch target. He could be mafia or innocent, duped by the mafia. A detective could follow through on this, send his PM to a mafia. This could potenially cost us a detective AND sherrif. If DoctorH ends up being lynched and flips red, the person who relays the information is a target to be hit. Whether the detective himself or the person he sent a PM too. | ||
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On January 23 2010 02:33 StimiLant wrote: i thought sheriff, mayor, godfather cant be role checked? maybe i am mistaken I'm suggesting a "does clue x point to y" check not a role check. I'm not sure about my suggestion really. It is high risk - high reward. I'm not sure the risk is worth it. And if I were in the shoes of the detective or person who receives a PM from a "detective" I'm not sure how I would act. | ||
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On January 23 2010 02:40 StimiLant wrote: yeah high risk is that if u find out reds how do u relay good info to the town without mafia killing u in the night phase You would have to know who the medics are too. Get some protection for the person who relays the information. This would imply that there is no deceipt in the relay, which obviously can't be gauranteed. And it would be impossible to know who the medics are at this point. | ||
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But yeah, let's stop editing people. | ||
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On January 23 2010 05:36 meeple wrote: Yeah, incarciration might be better saved as perhaps a saving measure... since the person who's incarcirated can't be killed Also a good point. Incarceration could be used at some point as sort of an extra medic. We'd have to have the hit targets correctly identified though. I think that task is a little more difficult then having mafia identified. But if we should run into such a situation, we shouldn't hesitate to use it. | ||
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As for now, I'm leaving work and will be busy for awhile. I'll try to hop back on as soon as possible, but it probably won't be until after the clues hit. So cya guys later, good luck to the blues to using their powers wisely. | ||
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I agree with a lot of people that the olympian reference and the profile picture of flamewheel is a solid connection. That would be my lynch vote for the time being. I'll have to take a closer look at the clues though. | ||
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On January 23 2010 13:07 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Show nested quote + On January 23 2010 13:04 citi.zen wrote: Jayme has a cat, Hobbes the tiger, Hyperbola a squid (?) Could kane]deth[ by a suspect for Bill killing too? kane = sledge-hammer, used to kill Bill? kane]deth[ = death by sledgehammer? that fits a little bit. I still think we should lynch flamewheel91 today and then hold off on a double lynch until it can reduce mafia kp I thought about the kane]deth[ thing. What I found could actually be interesting. A meaning of kane It is apparently a musical instrument that is vaguely bucket shaped, though not very deep. So I looked at a few more pictures just doing a google image search and it appears they can be made deeper than the one shown on the wikipedia page. Additionally, a kane is played with mallets. While admittedly not exactly sledge hammers, I think it is close enough for consideration. I also like the flamewheel/olympian reference still. | ||
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As for now, I've got about an hour drive back home to embark on. I may hop back on when I get home. | ||
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If he was mafia he would know if meeple is mafia or not. It would be odd to push for a day 1 lynch of another mafia. If meeple flips green and he is mafia - then he gets lynched. It wouldn't make much sense for a mafia to set himself up to get lynched after gaining the mayor position. That was just my opinion really. I probably should have brought it up, but I was tired of reading page after page of drivel lol. | ||
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Well we still have over a day to make up our minds. | ||
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On January 23 2010 14:31 flamewheel91 wrote: And this is not as strong of a correlation? | ||
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On January 24 2010 06:59 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Show nested quote + On January 24 2010 06:33 789 wrote: This + Show Spoiler + On January 23 2010 14:31 flamewheel91 wrote: And this is not as strong of a correlation? The mafia could stage a disagreement to throw suspicion off of one or both of them, but it seems unlikely. Right now I feel, barely, that the clues are a bit stronger toward kane but I'm still pretty torn. For the time being, my vote is on kane. I'm going to hold out on voting until sometime tommorow. I don't want to end up flip flopping my vote as I change my mind like I did for the election lol. Yeah, right now I'm leaning on kane unless something changes. I think I'm out of ideas myself, but will still be open to ideas from others. I've got one question though. Why are people pushing so hard for a double lynch on day 3? I'm not sure we have enough to be sure that we'll have 2 worthy suspects tomorrow as things stand now. I'm probably going to abstain from that vote for the time being. I'm not going to vote against that if it ends up what most people want to do. I'm not going to vote for it for now - unless someone manages to persuade me. | ||
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The best ways I can think to confirm an innocent right now are a medic save and a clue analysis hitting hom. Both players involved in a medic will now know eachother are innocent. If a clue analysis hits home - the person who first proposed it is probably innocent. Your point about mafia doing fake clue analysis is certainly valid, but I don't think they would go to the point of incriminating a fellow mafia to appear cooperative. Then again, I could be wrong - the mafia could be being very tricky. That person who did the clue analysis would look clean for a very long time, perhaps indefinitely. It could be wroth sacrificing 1 mafia to ensure longevity of another. As for trapping a mafia, I don't have any surefire ways in mind yet. I'm hoping it ends up being sort of a "know a slip up when I see it" type of thing. Any PMs I have done have been pretty mild and unrevealing. There isn't anything I've said in a PM that I wouldn't have minded sharing openly - and it would appear like the same from the PMs I have received. I agree we should spend sometime giving suggestions to the blues on how to use their abilities. I believe this should be done in the open until we start getting a network of people that know eachother are innocents, like we tried to do in night 1. We can save these sort of discussions for the night phases, as when these are when those abilities are put into action. And finally, I agree with holding off on the double lynch for now. Unless something changes - which is impossible to know at this point, since we don't know what will happen with night 2 and day 3 clues- I don't think we have enough viable suspect to justify one. | ||
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On January 24 2010 07:36 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Someone did this in BC's thread and I thought it worked well. I'm going to bold everything that jumps out to me as a possible clue: Walking home from the post-election celebration, a slightly tipsy blue_arrow was whistling tunelessly to himself in the violet dusk. After a block or two, he noticed the sound of someone shuffling behind him. Though unnerved, he tried to shrug it off and started walking faster. The shuffling did not speed up in response, and blue_arrow felt safer the further he walked from his follower. As the streetlamps flickered on one by one, he took a quick peek behind him. One glimpse of his follower's frightening appearance was enough to clear his mind and convince him the Mafia was after him. Blue_arrow took off running. Sweat dripped off his forehead and fear spurred him to achieve near-Olympian speed as he sprinted for his life. He flew past several blocks in a few minutes, but always he could hear his attacker plodding relentlessly after him. Finally, the exhausted blue_arrow slumped against a lamppost, so worn out by his headlong dash that he couldn't move another step. All he could do was watch with mounting dread as his entirely unperturbed attacker caught up to blue_arrow and strangled him to death Instead of walking, Bill Murray drove home after the celebrations. When he arrived at his driveway, he was initially startled to see that his garage door had been forced open and didn't find any comfort when he looked within. It appeared as if a wild animal had been let loose inside his garage. Noticing that all the guns on his weapon rack were broken, Bill Murray started to panic. He turned around in a hurry, only to notice a broken rafter fall from the ceiling, landing right next to him. A high-pitched snicker immediately attracted his attention. He anxiously scanned the area, looking for a weapon. From the darkness, a figure appeared just outside the garage, advancing on him with what looked like a sledgehammer. The figure moved quickly, wearing a large helmet resembling an old rusty pail. The figure drew closer, and Bill Murray panicked and ran toward the door. Bill Murray tugged on the door, but it was locked. Bill Murray met his doom as the sledgehammer came down on his skull, ending his life. nothing really stands out to me in the third death scenario :o I agree with these. A few I might add: From the first: "violet dusk" and "plodding relentlessly" From the second: "all the guns on his weapon rack were broken" This one could imply that the killer knew Bill Murray was a detective. This could point to some of the people he divulged his role to via PM - though we don't have a complete list and I doubt people are going to admit to it now. | ||
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Meanwhile, long after his fellow townspeople had left, Abenson lingered at the site of the lynching to ponder the unsettling recent events affecting Liquidia. He was so deep in his reflections that it took him a while to become aware of a presence beside him, also contemplating the empty gallows. He turned to face his fellow observer and cleared his throat. "Sad, isn't it?" he ventured. "Yes," the man responded. "Many men will die here, before all this is done. One of them will be you." As the words filtered through Abenson's brain, he blinked in sudden, terrible comprehension and turned to run. But the other man was unfazed; he simply reached out and grabbed a handful of Abenson's shirt with a powerful grip, preventing him from getting anywhere. Before the thwarted Abenson could break free or lash out, his attacker drove his knee hard into Abenson's groin, causing him to double over in agony. With a few quick punches and kicks, Abenson was left mangled before his attacker left the lynch site as quietly as he had come. The main things that jump out at me are the physical nature of the attack (no weapons) and the quiet manner he approached and left. The quote could also end up being significant in someway later. | ||
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On January 24 2010 07:52 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Show nested quote + On January 24 2010 07:47 789 wrote: On January 24 2010 07:36 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Someone did this in BC's thread and I thought it worked well. I'm going to bold everything that jumps out to me as a possible clue: Walking home from the post-election celebration, a slightly tipsy blue_arrow was whistling tunelessly to himself in the violet dusk. After a block or two, he noticed the sound of someone shuffling behind him. Though unnerved, he tried to shrug it off and started walking faster. The shuffling did not speed up in response, and blue_arrow felt safer the further he walked from his follower. As the streetlamps flickered on one by one, he took a quick peek behind him. One glimpse of his follower's frightening appearance was enough to clear his mind and convince him the Mafia was after him. Blue_arrow took off running. Sweat dripped off his forehead and fear spurred him to achieve near-Olympian speed as he sprinted for his life. He flew past several blocks in a few minutes, but always he could hear his attacker plodding relentlessly after him. Finally, the exhausted blue_arrow slumped against a lamppost, so worn out by his headlong dash that he couldn't move another step. All he could do was watch with mounting dread as his entirely unperturbed attacker caught up to blue_arrow and strangled him to death Instead of walking, Bill Murray drove home after the celebrations. When he arrived at his driveway, he was initially startled to see that his garage door had been forced open and didn't find any comfort when he looked within. It appeared as if a wild animal had been let loose inside his garage. Noticing that all the guns on his weapon rack were broken, Bill Murray started to panic. He turned around in a hurry, only to notice a broken rafter fall from the ceiling, landing right next to him. A high-pitched snicker immediately attracted his attention. He anxiously scanned the area, looking for a weapon. From the darkness, a figure appeared just outside the garage, advancing on him with what looked like a sledgehammer. The figure moved quickly, wearing a large helmet resembling an old rusty pail. The figure drew closer, and Bill Murray panicked and ran toward the door. Bill Murray tugged on the door, but it was locked. Bill Murray met his doom as the sledgehammer came down on his skull, ending his life. nothing really stands out to me in the third death scenario :o I agree with these. A few I might add: From the first: "violet dusk" and "plodding relentlessly" From the second: "all the guns on his weapon rack were broken" This one could imply that the killer knew Bill Murray was a detective. This could point to some of the people he divulged his role to via PM - though we don't have a complete list and I doubt people are going to admit to it now. The moderator would have no way of knowing who Bill Murray was PMing with, and it's already been 100% confirmed clues point only toward names, signatures, and profiles. Nothing else. Good point - my bad. | ||
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"Medic You have the ability to prevent one hit on a player of your choice during the night. Each paramedic can only stop one hit and as such if the number of mafia is greater than the number of paramedics on a player then that player will die. You will know if you saved the person. The person will know if he was saved. If you are protecting a veteran, and they are hit, your ability supercedes theirs. You cannot protect yourself. A medic can protect someone the night she/he gets killed. They won't be notified of their save though, since they are dead." Though is doesn't explicitly state it, I was assuming this meant the person who was saved would know the identity of the person who saved him. I'll PM a mod for clarification. You also have a good point about protecting a mafia from a vigilante hit - let's just hope that doesn't happen. | ||
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On January 24 2010 08:39 Qatol wrote: Show nested quote + On January 24 2010 07:58 789 wrote: I probably shoulda combined this with my last point. "Medic You have the ability to prevent one hit on a player of your choice during the night. Each paramedic can only stop one hit and as such if the number of mafia is greater than the number of paramedics on a player then that player will die. You will know if you saved the person. The person will know if he was saved. If you are protecting a veteran, and they are hit, your ability supercedes theirs. You cannot protect yourself. A medic can protect someone the night she/he gets killed. They won't be notified of their save though, since they are dead." Though is doesn't explicitly state it, I was assuming this meant the person who was saved would know the identity of the person who saved him. I'll PM a mod for clarification. You also have a good point about protecting a mafia from a vigilante hit - let's just hope that doesn't happen. If you are saved, you know that SOMEONE saved you (the PM is something like "You have taken a hit, but have been saved!"), but you are not told who saved you. The medic is also told that they have made a save (and obviously know who they protected in the first place). Alright man, thanks for the clarification. Guess I was wrong. | ||
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1) Clues and active, but not defending themselves. Hobbes from day 1 killer 1 would fit into this category. He's posted some, but never tried to defend himself in any real way. I would say the clues aren't that strong on him though. I'm not sure I think about his behavior. He may be playing it safe and to not incriminate himself or just knows there is nothing he can really say. He hasn't really contributed much or defended himself which is a bit odd. 2) Clues and defended self. Flamewheel falls into this category. He hasn't really been that active until he was brought up as a possible suspect. I think that is a little bit suspicious myself. There is still the possibility that he is just trying to honestly defense himself. 3) Clues and inactive. Treadmasta(spelling?) and kane fall into this category. Hard to gauge these. They could be lurking mafia or green/blues. Or just simply not participating. | ||
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On January 21 2010 01:55 [NyC]HoBbes wrote: Wow, I log back on and suddenly I'm top suspect... fun. Only thing I'll say in my defense is that out of Calvin and Hobbes in the cartoon, Hobbes comes off at least 90% of the time as the exact opposite of Calvin's Loud/barbaric. Even though he's the tiger, he's usually the laid-back, philosophical one. Found it on page 11. Decided to put a little bit of effort into it, and I picked a lucky place to start at page 10. I scanned the next 5 pages or so and that is all he really had to say about it. | ||
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On January 24 2010 14:44 flamewheel91 wrote: Show nested quote + On January 24 2010 14:29 789 wrote: While I said your behavior might be a little suspicious, I still have kane #1 on my list for what it's worth. Also I agee with your second point, which is why I said it would hurt more if you flipped green. And if you're accused, 789, by the same token it will seem suspicious if your posting activity rises in order to save your own life. But I thank you for your logical follow through--I am still strongly protesting my lynching by the rest of the bandwagoners out there. I would expect as much, but I don't think my activity level would rise that much ... I'm already in the top 3 probably. Which leads me to the real reason I am making this post... Zona, can we get another one of your post count extractions run. I'm still using the one you made back on the high 30's haha. | ||
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On January 22 2010 03:05 Bill Murray wrote: to be honest, after speaking with someone in private, i realize now that i hope t_co isn't red (for my own sake). If t_co is red, i hope a medic out there will protect me On January 23 2010 12:53 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Another PM from Bill Murray, choose to believe it or not. "honestly, i trust you 3rd of the players (behind citi.zen and someone else), and i trust you more than meeple. i trust him 4th or 5th. that being said, there is no way for me to rolecheck you. if you or meeple are red, i expect you both to be, and the game is already essentially lost. if you're both red, you will probably not kill me, as i trust you all more than the opposition. " So there was someone else he was talking to in pm besides me and citi.zen it seems. Although I have no idea who. I would guess Zona if I had to since BM asked me what I thought of Zona, but that's not for sure. Ok where I am going with this is, maybe Bill started acting weird because he had already PM'd people and told them he was a detective. If he told DoctorH, he may have told #1 and #2 on his trust list. We shouldn't ignore the possibility that the mafia figured him out from his odd behavior. We should also consider the possibility that he started acting odd because he thought he had PM'd a mafia his role. Does anyone know who #2 is? | ||
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On January 25 2010 07:06 DoctorHelvetica wrote: I think it should be noted that the "olympic runner" in the first scenario is describing Blue_Arrow not the mafia who killed him. At the same time, if blue_arrow ran at near olympic speeds and still wasn't able to get away... | ||
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On January 25 2010 07:47 Mystlord wrote: I honestly don't find any of the connections convincing now. There's just always something that doesn't seem right... I really don't see where the keit connection is coming from :/ Maybe my lack of Sesame Street knowledge makes the apple clue not all that convincing. I suggest we sit down as a group and watch an episode of sesame street. | ||
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Anyway I just read Zona's post and I think he may be on to something. For instance the second killer from 2 day 2 clues ... with the bucket looking helmet. Say Incognito is writing in the second style Zona proposed. He could have made Ser Aspi a knight persona (Ser is used as a substitute for Sir in some writings ... and sir is a common way to address a knight.) Bucket like helmet could fit a knight. I'm just throwing this out as an example, not suggesting we should lynch Ser Aspi next. | ||
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It is all a moot point if Zona is right about us reading the clues wrong. | ||
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On January 25 2010 12:51 JohannesH wrote: Show nested quote + On January 25 2010 12:09 DoctorHelvetica wrote: On January 25 2010 11:43 Zona wrote: Man, one thing I really want is for all voters to post why they voted the way they did. If we're going to focus away from clue-based mafia hunting (since it hasn't done us much good so far), this kind of reasoning is the minimum required. Town members, even those with blue powers, need to post more (and never lie, although it's fine to deny knowledge and post suspicions even when you're not sure), so that mafia can't get by without posting. Then mafia who do post might eventually slip up by posting contradictions or lies that they had to make to keep their identity secret. Since I've asked for people to explain their votes, I might as well start. I came to the thread pretty close to the deadline as I was working all afternoon on other things so it was too late to really be influencing outcomes. But since this is something that's a good ploy for mafia members to use, I'll do my best to get in early in the next discussion. I ended up stacking an unnecessary extra vote on kane just to see if the olympic clue really was that straightforward, but it wasn't. I do think we should focus away from clue-based mafia hunting for now. Why I voted the way I did: I voted for kane]deth[ initially because of the evidence meeple posted. However, keits clues from Day 1 and his finger pointing behavior/inactivity convinced me he is more likely mafia than kane. Aggressive finger pointing isnt something a mafia would do too much I think. It could be a useful tactic for the mafia to send one to do that. If the mafia can cause chaos amongst the townies it makes it much harder for them to work together and take out the mafia. | ||
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On January 25 2010 13:10 Mystlord wrote: I think at this point we can definitely trust citi.zen. And I'm almost certain that citi.zen is being protected by medics. We might be able to structure a town leadership through him. meeple is probably also trustworthy, I'm just a bit less sure about that. I say Zona is pretty trustworthy right now. | ||
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On January 26 2010 00:04 citi.zen wrote: Show nested quote + On January 26 2010 00:00 flamewheel91 wrote: On January 25 2010 22:20 citi.zen wrote: A couple of random observations, which will not help anyone at this point: the mafia killed the first three people if you list naes alphabetically, ignoring punctuation marks; we complain about clues, but in the end we did not really use the strongest ones for lynching either night. Hobbes and freewheel are still with us, and t_co and kane turned out to be green. flamewheel ![]() I agree though: until we get the next set of clues, it would be prudent for us to look based on players' actions and interactions. Seeing as how I cannot actually dissuade people from logic since clues are there, I invite persons who have suspicions about me to interrogate me further. I don't see how we are saying the same thing: you are suggesting looking at people's actions instead of clues, I am stating that we tried tha with t_co and kane, and it has not worked out very well. This is a good point though. | ||
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On January 26 2010 01:26 meeple wrote: Show nested quote + On January 26 2010 00:28 JohannesH wrote: On January 26 2010 00:08 citi.zen wrote: Just keep in mind that t_co was lynched solely on suspicious behavior. I am not saying it is always the wrong approach, just that it can easily backfire. Aggressive behaviour shouldnt be considered suspicious most of the time. Thats the stance we should take collectively. Inactivity is whats suspicious. And in the end, it isnt right now so crucial as who we lynch right now since lets face it - it far more likely to hit a townie at this point. What matters is getting discussion with substance, to pile clues for later. I would mostly agree with this. Some people would argue that we lynched kane]deth[ off clues, but I think it was mainly because he didn't protest at all. Regardless, what are people's ideas concerning the double lynches? Should we only use it if we're absolutely sure of two mafia? I'd have to agree with your kane]deth[ point. I ended up voting for him in the end not because I thought the clues on him were the strongest - but because I thought he was the lowest risk to lose. He was hardly participating in the game at all, and I considered him to be a small loss if he flipped green like he did. Probably not the best of reasons - but it was my reason. The double lynch is a double edged sword. It can help us get back into the game by clearing out 2 mafia in one day. But it can hurt us badly - if we use 2 lynches and end up with 0 mafia, we're basically doing their job for them. I don't know if we have to be absolutely sure of 2 - but at least a solid conviction. If we double lynch we NEED to get at least 1 mafia with it. | ||
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On January 26 2010 02:59 Ng5 wrote: Show nested quote + On January 26 2010 02:22 Phrujbaz wrote: I remember somebody arguing (ng5?) that it doesn't matter if we could reduce kill power with double lynch or not. If we need to kill three Mafia, it doesn't matter if we first kill two and then one or if we kill one first and then two. I think that logic is wrong. First you have to remember that our double lynches are limited. That alone means we should only use one if we really think we can lynch two Mafia. Furthermore, there is always the risk of lynching two innocents. If we cannot reduce kill power right away it doesn't make sense to use double lynch already. We don't lose anything by waiting a day in that case. And we gain more information, leading to better informed lynches. We NEVER gain anything by using double lynch on a day where even killing two Mafia wouldn't reduce kill power. What does complicate things is that we cannot vote double lynch into place for today's lynch. It's always for the day after. So we have to think ahead a little. If we have a 100% confirmed Mafia, then we know that tomorrow there will be one less Mafia. That means we might want to use double lynch tomorrow, which means we have to vote for it today. When would we have such a situation? I think we need three Mafia suspects, at least one of which is very solid. We lynch the solid Mafia today, vote for double lynch, and have the potential to kill two more Mafia the next day (we'd even have more clues than we do today). I don't think we should use double lynch yet. I don't know how you guys are feeling but I'm not very confident in anyone being Mafia. AT ALL I also said that if maths and logic doesn't rub off on you I won't explain again, nor in more detail. I agree with you in the fact that it doesn't matter which order we take the mafia down, if we have 2 suspects to take down we do it - even if it doesn't reduce their KP. It seems that you, now correct me if I'm wrong, are ignoring the possibility that we won't have 2 mafia to lynch. You are one of the biggest supporters of using the double lynches asap, but you even abstained from voting in this last lynch. It seems that you don't think there are mafia we have figured out to lynch either, but still push for the double lynch. So, who would be the 2 people you would have suggested double lynching tomorrow (I know we don't have day 3 clues yet). You should have at least 1 in mind if you're going to push for it so hard. | ||
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I'm not saying you don't help - I'd have to review your posts first. But I find it funny 10 minutes after you were accused of popping out only when accused you popped out. The timing is hilarious. | ||
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Mystlord JohannesH skronch These are the three names that stood out on that cross check. Skronch especially ... with almost 100 posts in the last week and only 1 here. | ||
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Well here is my polite good bye. It was fun playing with yall, good luck to the remaining townies; I think you might need it at this point. Why didn't Zona and Faronel come with me! lol. And yes I did just turn into a body guard, Incognito edited it to reflect that I was a bodyguard, not just green. | ||
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On February 02 2010 06:29 DoctorHelvetica wrote: We communicated via mIRC at #eggsalad mostly myself/mystlord/keit, but keit eventually tilted and started acting very strangely. He told Jugan in a PM that I was an asshole and told everyone to lynch him and that this game is hella gay after painting me as mafia for no reason phrujbaz/hyperbola occasionally dropped in, but there was zero communication with derfboy it was mostly me and mystlord conversing over irc Oh so that whole arguments and voting for eachother was real. I assumed it was staged to throw suspicion off the other if one of you got found out lol. It was when I decided that I thought Keit was definitely mafia. | ||
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On February 03 2010 09:03 citi.zen wrote: I don't know if a "rematch " per se is possible, it would have all new "teams". It would work out extremely well for the town lol. | ||
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On February 04 2010 12:14 citi.zen wrote: In this particular game we caught 6/7 mafia yet we misinterpreted clues all the way to the end. Just ask poor Hobbes. + Show Spoiler + On January 29 2010 13:07 [NyC]HoBbes wrote: Sorry. Could not resist.all I know is finally the clues dont suggest me... considering the last few nights I was expecting tonight to be "his orange, stripy attacker left a great deal of fur and tuna fish behind..." Well I was right about the knife pointing to DrH from killer 2 on the first batch of clues. That's the only one I got right b4 I died though. | ||
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