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United States959 Posts
January 19 2010 15:43 GMT
#15
On January 19 2010 12:10 Faronel wrote:
That Bill Murray character seems suspicious


Accusations already! Seems equally suspicious.
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United States959 Posts
January 19 2010 22:22 GMT
#27
On January 20 2010 07:05 Fallen_arK wrote:
Red Leader standing by


Break off the attack, the shield is still up! .... It's a trap!
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United States959 Posts
January 20 2010 14:59 GMT
#168
I'm working on getting caught up on reading. I'll throw this out as I haven't seen it yet. The thin knife might be something Bisu related. I believe Bisu translates into assassin's blade or something close to that. I didn't see anything scanning everyone's profiles though.
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United States959 Posts
January 20 2010 15:32 GMT
#172
I think Hobbes is the best fit for #1 so far.
I've got nothing so far for #2.


Also, sorry I didn't have a quote/sig and what not. I'm new to the game, I'll get some stuff up for the next time since it is already too late.
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United States959 Posts
January 20 2010 15:54 GMT
#175
Well if you want to stretch for number 2. IIRC Bisu translates into something equivelent like assassin's blade, which could fit with the thin blade. Bisu has a reputation for complaining about maps (undeserving or not, not trying to stir any of that kind of stuff up). And Jayme's quote is complaing about python. Then there is your vile dirty scum one. It's a MAJOR stretch though lol.
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United States959 Posts
January 20 2010 15:58 GMT
#178
On January 21 2010 00:56 meeple wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 21 2010 00:54 789 wrote:
Well if you want to stretch for number 2. IIRC Bisu translates into something equivelent like assassin's blade, which could fit with the thin blade. Bisu has a reputation for complaining about maps (undeserving or not, not trying to stir any of that kind of stuff up). And Jayme's quote is complaing about python. Then there is your vile dirty scum one. It's a MAJOR stretch though lol.


Ah thats rough... yeah I was just throwing it out there. Definitely not enough to lynch off


For sure.

I thought I was onto something with the Bisu thing though, but I've checked everyone's profile twice and got no connection.
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United States959 Posts
January 20 2010 16:02 GMT
#180
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_daggers

I've just started looking at this list, I'll let you know if I see anything.
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United States959 Posts
January 20 2010 16:14 GMT
#185
I've got nothing for the list of daggers. Though admittedly I was only comparing names. It is possible that I missed a profile connection.

The closest I came was Phrujbaz to a Phurba. They are decently close, but the R and U being switched makes me think that it is unrelated.
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United States959 Posts
January 20 2010 16:28 GMT
#189
If I HAD to pick someone it would be hobbes; the connection seems a bit stronger than keit's, Though I'm not entirely convinced. But if we were voting to lynch today, I'd either abstain or go hobbes.
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United States959 Posts
January 20 2010 16:36 GMT
#191
Yeah. We'll get at least one more day of clues before we have to vote anyway. Only the mayor has to worry about first day lynching. It would also suck to vote without enough evidence and lynch a detective on accident lol.
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United States959 Posts
January 20 2010 16:42 GMT
#194
I think citi.zen is running too. It is really the mayor's choice, he can lynch whoever he wants.
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United States959 Posts
January 20 2010 16:44 GMT
#196
DoctoerHelvetica, you aren't allowed to edit posts in mafia. Just letting you know. I know your edit was harmless, adding cite.zen and candidate platforms, just double post next time :D.
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United States959 Posts
January 20 2010 16:48 GMT
#198
It's no problem, I believe everyone can agree to let than harmless one slide.
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United States959 Posts
January 20 2010 16:53 GMT
#200
But being put in the slammer prevents you from being killed!
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United States959 Posts
January 20 2010 17:06 GMT
#208
Yeah, I believe mafia can get elected to either position.
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United States959 Posts
January 20 2010 17:07 GMT
#209
It is also a good indicator that both the mayor and desired lynch are mafia if he lynches against the towns watches. He wouldn't want to lynch another mafia member.
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Profile Joined October 2009
United States959 Posts
January 20 2010 17:08 GMT
#211
Wishes*. Then again now that I said that, that theory will be thrown out the door, because the theoretical mafia mayor would rather only have 1 mafia member caught and lynched instead of 2.
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United States959 Posts
January 20 2010 17:13 GMT
#213
Well this game was oringinally designed to get some newcomers into the TL mafia scene. When sign ups were happening, it was the intention to pick new players over old. But there were so many, it was just split into 2 mafia games instead of telling experienced players to take a hike. So I don't believe the mods took experience into consideration when picking roles. I think they took potential profile clues into more consideration than experience.
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Profile Joined October 2009
United States959 Posts
January 20 2010 17:23 GMT
#216
Well I wasn't saying that it wasn't correct. I was mostly saying now that we've talked about this, the potential future mafia mayor has read this and likely won't do this. He knows that he'll likely be getting lynched next. I'm all for it though, if we get a mayor that does it, I'll lynch vote him.
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United States959 Posts
January 20 2010 17:24 GMT
#217
Unfortunately I already voted for t_co prematurely. It seemed like with the banner, speech, and experience that he was going to put a lot of work into it.
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United States959 Posts
January 20 2010 17:31 GMT
#221
If we can change your votes I think I'd like too. In his speech he said he wanted to discover the blues and work with them. He could be saying that to try to build some trust with them and figure out who they are. It's possible he could be mafia running for sherrif.
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United States959 Posts
January 20 2010 17:34 GMT
#224
Thanks for the quick response dreamflower.
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United States959 Posts
January 20 2010 17:43 GMT
#227
I'll throw my name into the list for the elections. This is my first mafia game and I'd like to get the most out of it possible. I don't have prior mafia experience, but I'm pretty active. I'll try my best at my position and listen to the will of the townies.
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Profile Joined October 2009
United States959 Posts
January 20 2010 18:12 GMT
#229
Obviously if he ends up lynching a mobster we would take that into consideration. It isn't like we can't change our minds between now and then.
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United States959 Posts
January 20 2010 18:15 GMT
#231
He may not be. His scenario was the mayor goes against the town's wishes and lynches someone out of the blue. Having his own knowledge (possible gained by being a detective or other means) and lynching a mafia would not be out of the blue.
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United States959 Posts
January 20 2010 18:58 GMT
#237
I think we need to go more into outter space. I accuse myself ... let's see uh... there number of victims last night was 3, and there are 3 numbers in my name. That's concrete proof that I'm mafia, lynch me up boys.

But yeah, whoever the mayor ends up being doesn't have much to go on for the first lynching. Hopefully day 2 will have some nice clues for us.
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Profile Joined October 2009
United States959 Posts
January 20 2010 19:06 GMT
#239
Yeah I agree, If i was mayor and nothing new came up, I'd probably go with hobbes.
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Profile Joined October 2009
United States959 Posts
January 20 2010 19:30 GMT
#247
The groups got split in half, we don't have 66 people in our mafia. You're still right about there only a few of us analyzing though.
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Profile Joined October 2009
United States959 Posts
January 20 2010 20:04 GMT
#271
I wouldn't mind going with a no lynch unless something new and concrete comes up. Everything seems too flimsy at this point. Glad it looks like I won't have to make the decision, I have an amazing 0 votes :D.

But yeah, there isn't enough to risk lynching a potential detective or medic or some other blue going fishing for a mafia.
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Profile Joined October 2009
United States959 Posts
January 20 2010 20:32 GMT
#276
Yeah t_co has a good point. We haven't really lost any greens or blues yet. We probably won't be able to take good guesses at who the mafia might be until we get more clues. We won't get more clues until the mafia gets a chance to make hits. If we lynch someone without more clues, we have a better chance of damaging ourselves on top of the next mafia hit than taking a mafia down.
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Profile Joined October 2009
United States959 Posts
January 20 2010 21:43 GMT
#295
Having the god father as mayor/sherrif would be redundant. The mayor/sherrif can't be role checked, and that would waste the god father's ability to chose the role that shows up when he gets role checked. It would be better served on another mafia member to protect him from a role check.
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Profile Joined October 2009
United States959 Posts
January 20 2010 21:53 GMT
#298
I think a mayor would only purposefully lynch a mafia on the first day if it was the general consensus of the townies. To pick someone seemingly at random and lynching them for them to end up being a mafia it would be suspicious. Putting suspicion on himself + killing another mafia member wouldn't be a very good strategy.
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Profile Joined October 2009
United States959 Posts
January 20 2010 21:55 GMT
#299
I should clarify:

But if the person he chooses ended up being a mafia that the townies wanted to lynch, it would remove suspicion from himself. Lynching a random person that ends up being mafia would make him look suspicious since the mafia know who eachother are. So unless he has a good reason to suspect that person or the townies want it that way, it would seem that he either got lucky or picked someone he knew was a mafia to make himself look good (but ends up making him look suspicious).
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United States959 Posts
January 20 2010 22:03 GMT
#307
Don't forget to include me and my wonderful analysis of why I should be a suspect.
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Profile Joined October 2009
United States959 Posts
January 20 2010 22:08 GMT
#314
Yeah, the mayor needs to keep himself clean the first week at least. The 3 vote power will be huge later as they can end up being the swing factor to keep a mafia from being lynched and have it be someone else. It feel weird to be handing all this sort of strategy out where the mafia can read it, but at the same time it is fun to think and discuss it being my first game.
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United States959 Posts
January 20 2010 22:10 GMT
#315
The inactive people could end up being mod killed anyway.
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United States959 Posts
January 20 2010 22:16 GMT
#319
We're doing good. All of us are ready to start lynching the crap out of eachother.

Yeah, I won't start doing any PM type action until I'm convinced someone isn't mafia. I've already been handing them enough information by talking about how I expect a mafia mayor to act lol.
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Profile Joined October 2009
United States959 Posts
January 20 2010 22:28 GMT
#321
Well work is over for the day. Cya guys later, I might drop in to check how things are going tonight. I also have a whacky theory that i have 4 of the mafia figured out if I'm right. But I'm most likely wrong lol.
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United States959 Posts
January 20 2010 23:07 GMT
#331
Well I got some time to kill before my friends come over ... so more posting! The fact that I've got a theory and whether I get killed or not won't really tell much. The mafia has no idea who I suspect. I could be right and have all 4 of them correct, or all 4 of them wrong, or some sort of mix. I won't give my list until I see some sort of other evidence from at least 1 of the 4. So if I do get killed (which I hope I don't ... dieing day 1 of my first game would suck) it just means the mafia might be paranoid. It wouldn't give anyone any clue as to who it is regardless if my list is right or wrong.

If I did give my list it wouldn't mean anything anyway. If I'm wrong the mafia could off me to throw suspicion on others. If I'm right and I live it will throw suspicion off them. But at the same time right or wrong it could mean nothing but reverse psychology.
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United States959 Posts
January 20 2010 23:26 GMT
#337
Yeah, if the mayor gets lynched right away it would suck to be him. Luckily I'm pulling up the caboose with 0 votes.

At this point I'm actually expecting to get hit on night 1. The mafia does have nothing to lose from killing me, and they will probably see it that way. Attention Mafia Members: I'm most likely wrong, please spare me :D
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Profile Joined October 2009
United States959 Posts
January 21 2010 00:19 GMT
#345
I'd like to reaffirm the fact that I'm running for election too under the platform of "save me from the impending hit coming my way." If you don't vote for me, it's basically murder ... wink.
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United States959 Posts
January 21 2010 03:16 GMT
#376
My list
DoctorHelvetica
Meeple
Bill Murray
Citi.zen

I noticed a voting pattern between the four of them. First Doctor and Meeple voted for eachother and seem to support eachother for no apparent reason.

Bill Murray originally voted for citi.zen, but changed his vote to meeple when it was apparent meeple was receiving other votes and citi.zen was not.

Citi.zen originally voted for doctor, but changed his vote to meeple when it appeared doctor was getting a lot of votes. It started to seem like they were trying to get both meeple and doctor elected.

Bill Murray also did what might have been a slip up posting "we need to get meeple out here hitting the campaign trail"

Anyway, that's my flimsy list that's probably wrong and going to get me killed for announcing.
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United States959 Posts
January 21 2010 03:27 GMT
#381
Yeah I know ... that's why I didn't want to post it and why I wish I didn't mention it, but you can't edit. Doesn't matter though, I'll probably get lynched or hit night 1 anyway.
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United States959 Posts
January 21 2010 05:44 GMT
#446
Well in my defense of playing terrible - it is my first mafia game. I've also played a game sort of like this. When I played this when I was the killer, I liked to make others think one particular person I chose at random was the killer. When I wasn't, I liked to try to get the most killer votes for the hell of it. I kind of reverted back to that style and slipped. Then I commented on the ramifications (or lack thereof) of me being killed by the mafia for mention said list (which wasn't that good anyway). I never advocated that the mafia kill me - I merely was saying that they probably would and I wouldn't be surprised if they didn't.
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United States959 Posts
January 21 2010 14:01 GMT
#507
Well I changed my vote to t_co. With the drama going on having 1 official on each side of the fence is probably preferrable. If he's wrong, we just lynch him.
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United States959 Posts
January 21 2010 14:05 GMT
#509
I already have a reason. I'm not sure who is right, but there seems to be a 2 sided drama (which I'll admit I was a part of early and had a part in starting). I figure it's better odds to have 1 from each side then have 2 from one. The worst that happens if t_co is mayor .. the mayor lynch goes bad. Then we just vote lynch him next like he proposes.
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United States959 Posts
January 21 2010 14:12 GMT
#512
Yeah, I suggest we drop the drama for now and work on the clues while we have a bit of time left. So far the best fit we've come up for #1 is hobbes. Does anyone have any ideas for number 2? Without looking I think the most important clues where "vile dirty scum", thin knife, put the body in the closest/cleaned up the blood.
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United States959 Posts
January 21 2010 14:18 GMT
#513
I don't think he plans to lynch you citi.zen ... I think it was meeple or something. Anyway so the reaction by #2 "vile, dirty scum" and looking at him in disgust might have been due to Qatol being the "legal advisor." Anyone out there hate lawyers real bad?
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United States959 Posts
January 21 2010 16:42 GMT
#516
Yeah, that clue doesn't give us a lot though (if it was even meant to be a clue). That would leave us with the closest possible being Jayme calling python garbage in his profile. That is way too flimsy, and you can't fit him with any of the other clues of #2.

The thin knife. The only thing I can comp up with is DoctorH if the writer is taking the Doctor part literally (surgical knife). But that's way too little to go on, and stabbing someone wouldn't be a very doctor like thing to do.

I guess we're left with the closet stuffing/cleaning up the blood then. There might be some sort of connection I am missing there. Or it is possible we weren't meant to find anything out about #2 and should concentrate one #1's behavior.
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United States959 Posts
January 21 2010 16:43 GMT
#517
Ng5 is trying to kill me. I am allergic to latex
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United States959 Posts
January 21 2010 16:54 GMT
#519
Perhaps, it might be something to keep in mind. DoctorH is more than likely going to become the sherrif anyway so he'll be safe for awhile. No need to start rushing to judgement on something that we could be off base on.
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United States959 Posts
January 21 2010 16:59 GMT
#521
Yeah I still advocate hobbes (no offense man) since he's the best fit we've come up with from the clues. Though keit (the guy with the cookie monster in his profile) fits #1 to a lesser extent as well. But hobbes is probably the best bet.
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United States959 Posts
January 21 2010 17:04 GMT
#523
On January 22 2010 02:01 Ng5 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 22 2010 01:57 citi.zen wrote:
Lynching someone is:

a. mandatory under the rules; and
b. meant to reveal to us information we previously did not have, to help test theories, people and alliances.

Don't waste it with random killings.


More air for the rest of us.


Are you implying that Liquidia has an air shortage? Is this game going to turn out like the movie Space Balls? If so, I suggest we figure out who Lone Starr is right away and ride him to victory.
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United States959 Posts
January 21 2010 17:12 GMT
#528
Well ultimately, it appears who we lynch will be meeple's decision. I still advocate hobbes off the strength of clues, but ending the drama would also be a nice outcome. Also :
On January 21 2010 14:07 t_co wrote:
On the flip side, I request this--if meeples and DrH are both elected to mayor/sheriff, I want the town to lynch me as soon as possible to clear up the questions surrounding meeples and DrH. The sooner the blues can start linking up with sheriff or know to avoid him the better.


T_co seems to advocate his own lynching for some reason.
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United States959 Posts
January 21 2010 17:18 GMT
#534
I sort of did the same thing to a lesser extent though. With the whole "list" fiasco I wish didn't happen. Though I guess I came off wrong to everyone. I meant it as a "I noticed some pattern in voting, take it as you may" not a "amg these guys are mafia." Though some may say "you said if you were right you figured out who 4 mafia were." To that I say, I never thought my list was right and certainly not the whole thing.
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United States959 Posts
January 21 2010 17:19 GMT
#535
It depends on if there is anyone else worth lynching on day 2. That assumes we figure someone else out from our day 2 clues.
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United States959 Posts
January 21 2010 17:22 GMT
#541
I wouldn't be against it, I just hope he doesn't turn out blue, but we sort of run that same risk with anyone.
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United States959 Posts
January 21 2010 17:26 GMT
#547
Green: we proceed as normal, move on to using our next set of clues for our next lynch.

Blue: we biff ourselves on our collective heads, then move on as normal

Red: rejoice about taking a mafia down on our day 1 lynch.
a) either go after anyone we perceive as a follower (I realize some might feel I belong in this category)
b) proceed as normal with clues.
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#553
Well, I will explain my reasoning on my vote, take it as you may, believe me or not. I'm trying to consider worse case scenarios for mafia getting elected to positions. Keep in mind, I'm not accusing anyone of being mafia through this. At this point I can pretty confidently say I don't think t_co and doctorH are both mafia. If t_co is elected the worst case is the mafia gets 1 of the positions. I consider it more likely doctorH and meeple are on the same side (either townies or mafia) compared to t_co and doctorH. So if doctorH and meeple are both elected any of the 3 combinations is possible, 2 townies, 1 of each, and 2 mafia. I'm trying to ride the fence and get at least 1 townie into one of the elected positions. So I went with t_co as I believe it gives the best chance of getting at least 1.

I think my reasoning there is decently sound. I could be wrong. At this point if I changed my vote off t_co it would be suspicious anyway.
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January 21 2010 17:51 GMT
#555
And I didn't claim I wanted both sides in office. I claimed I wanted at least 1 townie in office. I would prefer 2. What do you want me to do? No matter what I do with my vote now would be suspicious. It matters not anyway, at this point I'm pretty confident doctorH/meeple are going to be elected.
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January 21 2010 17:57 GMT
#559
I never said anyone was mafia. I just said I found it unlikely that both t_co and DoctorH are mafia. DoctorH winning sherrif is pretty much a forgone conclusion at this point. Whatever it doesn't matter, I'm not voting for anyone since I'm too "stupid" too use my vote correctly.
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January 22 2010 04:06 GMT
#784
Seems like i missed a lot lol. Anyway, I suggest we just sit tight and wait for our next set of clues coming tomorrow night. There is really nothing we can do until then. I also suggest if the blue's are trying to get organized not to announce your roles in the forum. Mafia will just take that free information and wipe our blue's out. I'm not entirely sure using PMs is safe to do so yet. We still have no idea who any of the mafia are yet. So if you decide to go that way, use caution.
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January 22 2010 04:15 GMT
#788
Well, your incarceration power can come in handy in at least one situation I can think of:

Since we need to vote a day ahead for a double lynch, if we happen to figure out 2 mafia from 1 days worth of clues. Lynch one and incarcerate the other. Then we can vote for a double lynch and hope the next set of clues gives us another mafia so we can take 2 out at once.

As for blue coordinating, for right now the announcing should be fine. It should give the blues a decent idea of what to do with their powers combined with the regular discussion. The worst possible thing we can do at this point is have our blue's too loose with announcing who they are and get killed off early.
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January 22 2010 04:17 GMT
#790
Well it should be returning to normal after a drama filled day 1, hopefully at least. How did your lynching end up (sorry I'm not really following your game).
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January 22 2010 04:20 GMT
#794
Wouldn't lynching 1 and incarcerating 1 (2 mafia) reduce their KP by 1? Unless I'm confused as to when the lynching occurs.
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January 22 2010 04:24 GMT
#797
Well, I'm not talking necessarily now, but later in the game (depending on the numbers) we could reduce KP.
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January 22 2010 04:32 GMT
#802
Yes. That's the whole problem with trying to coordinate this early. We should be cautious until later in the game when things start to become clearer.
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January 22 2010 04:43 GMT
#803
Well I'm going to be heading to bed here soon. I probably won't be posting much tomorrow - not really sure what can be done until more clues come in.
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January 22 2010 05:04 GMT
#807
I thought of one thing as I was getting into bed. Something we can do during the night phase to help the medics. We could compile a list of people likely to be hit by the mafia. This will be hard since we don't know who the mafia are as of yet. But we can do something. Anyone know how many medics there actually are?

My suggestion to the medics : pick those who are active. Losing an active person who ends up being a townie would be damaging. We need all the people analyzing clues we can get.
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January 22 2010 05:08 GMT
#808
"? of ? Medics remain" that answers that.
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January 22 2010 05:19 GMT
#815
Remember the Godfather chooses what role he'll show up as on a role check. Hitting that 1/33 chance of role checking the godfather and it coming back clean and telling him you are a detective would be unfortunate.
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January 22 2010 05:23 GMT
#816
Well I see you addressed that point. I guess it depends on how lucky the detectives are feeling. I'm sort of seeing your point about having 3 role checks total and parting with 1 wouldn't be too costly. The real price to pay would be losing a detective.
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January 22 2010 05:45 GMT
#819
Obligatory "I'm going to bed for real this time" post. See you guys later.
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January 22 2010 15:11 GMT
#831
Well this is sort of redundant, but they could ask if the whole apple thing points to hobbes. It's going to be hard for the detectives in this night, there isn't a lot of clues to check against suspects. I like Zona's idea of using role checks for this first night.

As for medics. I'm going to restate my suggestion to protect active posters for this first night. True we won't know which are townies and mafia, but it would be damaging to lose an active townie early. We have less to lose by losing some of the people who have posted only a couple or 0 times. I've got a list of 4 names I think would be good to protect.

DoctorH and Meeples are the most active members, but they are also protected by elected positions. So off the post number list Zona posted a few pages ago:

Bill Murray
789 (me)
citi.zen
Zona

These are the next 4 in line in activity list excluding t_co who got lynched. Zona also brought us a script to extract post numbers. I think any of the 4 would be a good bet for medics, of couse bias says protect me! protect me!
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January 22 2010 16:36 GMT
#834
Well we sort of are. Right now we're helping our blues figure out what they should do with their abilities during night 1. Since it is too dangerous too openly coordinate at this point, it is the best we can do. With t_co turning up green, I think that is a dead end, unless someone else has some ideas there? So for now, its trying to help the blue's decide what to do to weather the storm until our next set of clues.
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January 22 2010 16:37 GMT
#835
Lol, I just reread my post and am laughing at the numerous grammatical errors I made. Must resist urge to edit.
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January 22 2010 16:51 GMT
#837
Yeah I agree with all of those. There isn't much we can do about it now though, and we got some clues coming our way before we have to make any decisions. In my opinion we should analyze day 2 clues first. Then compare these with any possible connection to day 1 clues. If we get nothing from there, then focus on what happened on the election.

Though I guess it wouldn't hurt to talk about the election and candidates until then. It is possible at least one of the candidates was mafia. But we can't be certain, because it is also possible the mafia sat back and laughed at the drama we created on our own. Personally, I can't single out any candidate at this point that I think is more likely to be mafia than any others.
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January 22 2010 17:17 GMT
#839
We can think about it, but it would not be wise to start lynching up elected officials until we have something concrete to go off of. If we lynch them and they flip green/blue we've put ourselves in a bad spot.
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January 22 2010 17:23 GMT
#843
Yeah I am at work right now as well.
Well I have a really out there suggestion, that would be pretty hard to implement. The only connection I can fathom off #2 from the day 1 clues would be thin knife = surgical knife, involving DoctorH. A detective could do a "does clue x point to y" check on it. The problem is we have no reliable way to relay this information. This could also backfire and lead to lynching a green/blue sherrif.

It's an idea ... probably not a very good one.
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January 22 2010 17:27 GMT
#845
Also as the sherrif, DoctorH cannot be role checked.
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January 22 2010 17:32 GMT
#847
Also the problem with my idea is the relay of information.

A mafia could say DoctorH is red to get him lynched. If he flips green/blue the person who relayed the information becomes a lynch target. He could be mafia or innocent, duped by the mafia.
A detective could follow through on this, send his PM to a mafia. This could potenially cost us a detective AND sherrif.
If DoctorH ends up being lynched and flips red, the person who relays the information is a target to be hit. Whether the detective himself or the person he sent a PM too.
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January 22 2010 17:38 GMT
#851
On January 23 2010 02:33 StimiLant wrote:
i thought sheriff, mayor, godfather cant be role checked? maybe i am mistaken


I'm suggesting a "does clue x point to y" check not a role check.

I'm not sure about my suggestion really. It is high risk - high reward. I'm not sure the risk is worth it. And if I were in the shoes of the detective or person who receives a PM from a "detective" I'm not sure how I would act.
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January 22 2010 17:41 GMT
#854
I guess, but at this point who can the detective be sure to trust. I'm not sure there is anyone who is definitely trust worthy at this point.
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January 22 2010 17:42 GMT
#855
On January 23 2010 02:40 StimiLant wrote:
yeah high risk is that if u find out reds how do u relay good info to the town without mafia killing u in the night phase


You would have to know who the medics are too. Get some protection for the person who relays the information. This would imply that there is no deceipt in the relay, which obviously can't be gauranteed. And it would be impossible to know who the medics are at this point.
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January 22 2010 17:46 GMT
#857
Yeah, it is all so volatile at this point. A critical mistake this early could cost us the game in the long run. That is why I'm a big advocate of sitting tight and weathering the night 1 hits and hoping the day 2 clues are of value.
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January 22 2010 17:46 GMT
#858
Though I do suggest the blues read all of this and take it into consideration on how best to use their powers during night 1. Be careful what you do with the information you learn though.
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January 22 2010 17:52 GMT
#860
Best case scenario would be the medics choosing who to protect wisely. I estimate there is 2 medics. So if massive amounts of luck is on our side they can stop 2 hits. Though I think this would only afford us 1 clue. I think the exchange of only 1 dead member and 2 sets of 2 people who can definitely trust eachother is fair for only 1 clue though.
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January 22 2010 17:55 GMT
#865
If only 1 medic comes through it can still be a good help. I know the odds aren't good, but the payoff is enticing.
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January 22 2010 17:59 GMT
#867
Yeah, a clutch performance by the blue's would be awesome. I just hope they are at least lurking.
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January 22 2010 18:00 GMT
#868
Lol, I just said blue's instead of blues again. I feel retarded today.
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January 22 2010 18:17 GMT
#874
That sounds good, for at the very least night 1. Anyone got anything else for the medics besides what I've suggested before?
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January 22 2010 20:32 GMT
#884
Yeah, it does cap at 3. Meaning that we won't see any reduction in mafia KP until we take 3 of them out. After that it will only take 2 to reduce their KP. This will be when lynch/incarceration and double lynch combinations will start to be really useful if we have 2 mafia figured out.
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January 22 2010 20:37 GMT
#889
I'd lean on the side of forgiving a new person for their first offense. But I'm really hoping people will start following the rules. I've read them a couple of times myself to make sure to not break any. I'd be up for enforcing the rule from here on out. If we decide to enforce retroactively, we'd have to decide on where to start.

But yeah, let's stop editing people.
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January 22 2010 20:39 GMT
#891
On January 23 2010 05:36 meeple wrote:
Yeah, incarciration might be better saved as perhaps a saving measure... since the person who's incarcirated can't be killed


Also a good point. Incarceration could be used at some point as sort of an extra medic. We'd have to have the hit targets correctly identified though. I think that task is a little more difficult then having mafia identified. But if we should run into such a situation, we shouldn't hesitate to use it.
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January 22 2010 20:42 GMT
#892
I've seen a few, for instance DoctorH edited once really early in the game. He was adding to a list of election candidates and their platforms in one post. I can vouch that was a harmless edit though, as I read the post before and after the edit; I was just using it as an example.

As for now, I'm leaving work and will be busy for awhile. I'll try to hop back on as soon as possible, but it probably won't be until after the clues hit. So cya guys later, good luck to the blues to using their powers wisely.
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January 23 2010 04:50 GMT
#1003
Wow. That was quite a bad night for us... 2 Blues. The Billy Murray loss is understandable if he was telling a few people his role, but losing blue_arrow as a body guard seems so random. I browsed the clues and caught up on in reading in general.

I agree with a lot of people that the olympian reference and the profile picture of flamewheel is a solid connection. That would be my lynch vote for the time being. I'll have to take a closer look at the clues though.
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January 23 2010 05:20 GMT
#1004
On January 23 2010 13:07 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 23 2010 13:04 citi.zen wrote:
Jayme has a cat, Hobbes the tiger, Hyperbola a squid (?)

Could kane]deth[ by a suspect for Bill killing too? kane = sledge-hammer, used to kill Bill?


kane]deth[ = death by sledgehammer?

that fits a little bit. I still think we should lynch flamewheel91 today and then hold off on a double lynch until it can reduce mafia kp


I thought about the kane]deth[ thing. What I found could actually be interesting.
A meaning of kane
It is apparently a musical instrument that is vaguely bucket shaped, though not very deep. So I looked at a few more pictures just doing a google image search and it appears they can be made deeper than the one shown on the wikipedia page. Additionally, a kane is played with mallets. While admittedly not exactly sledge hammers, I think it is close enough for consideration.

I also like the flamewheel/olympian reference still.
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January 23 2010 05:35 GMT
#1013
I'm going to have to agree with flamewheel at least on one account, we still have almost 48 hours left before the voting is finished. We should still give full effort on analyzing everything else. The more possible connections we find the better.

As for now, I've got about an hour drive back home to embark on. I may hop back on when I get home.
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January 23 2010 08:13 GMT
#1033
To be honest, I was pretty sure t_co was going to flip green. I just finally caved in and joined the "lynch t_co" crowd to quiet down the drama. The thing that made me think he was green is that he said if he was mayor he would lynch meeple. If meeple turned green we should lynch him the next day.

If he was mafia he would know if meeple is mafia or not. It would be odd to push for a day 1 lynch of another mafia. If meeple flips green and he is mafia - then he gets lynched. It wouldn't make much sense for a mafia to set himself up to get lynched after gaining the mayor position. That was just my opinion really. I probably should have brought it up, but I was tired of reading page after page of drivel lol.
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January 23 2010 19:01 GMT
#1047
The only thing I can come up with for blue_arrow is the mafia was like "hur hur he has blue in his name; he might be a blue." But yeah, it is far more likely it was a random choice that ended up being a good one.
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January 23 2010 20:06 GMT
#1049
Bodyguard would be one of the more foolish things to reveal in a PM. Their ability is passive, not active. The only reason to reveal it that I can guess is he thought he was talking to a medic?
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January 23 2010 20:32 GMT
#1053
Yeah I like the kane]deth[ one myself. But I may be biased towards that one since I'm the one who brought up the whole possible connection to the musical instrument. I don't know if I can objectively say that one is the strongest. I think the flamewheel-olympian one is decently strong too.

Well we still have over a day to make up our minds.
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January 23 2010 21:33 GMT
#1054
This + Show Spoiler +
On January 23 2010 14:31 flamewheel91 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 23 2010 14:25 meeple wrote:
Kane:
[image loading]


And this is not as strong of a correlation?
makes me think it is unlikely that both flamewheel and kane are both mafia. Why would flamewheel seemingly throw another mafia under the bus (assuming he is mafia for this point, not accusing) to attempt to save himself. I also read through the clues again, unfortunately I got nothing. I think it would be wise for everyone to take at least one more crack at the clues to spur some more discussion before decisions are made.
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#1058
On January 24 2010 06:59 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 24 2010 06:33 789 wrote:
This + Show Spoiler +
On January 23 2010 14:31 flamewheel91 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 23 2010 14:25 meeple wrote:
Kane:
[image loading]


And this is not as strong of a correlation?
makes me think it is unlikely that both flamewheel and kane are both mafia. Why would flamewheel seemingly throw another mafia under the bus (assuming he is mafia for this point, not accusing) to attempt to save himself. I also read through the clues again, unfortunately I got nothing. I think it would be wise for everyone to take at least one more crack at the clues to spur some more discussion before decisions are made.


The mafia could stage a disagreement to throw suspicion off of one or both of them, but it seems unlikely. Right now I feel, barely, that the clues are a bit stronger toward kane but I'm still pretty torn.

For the time being, my vote is on kane.


I'm going to hold out on voting until sometime tommorow. I don't want to end up flip flopping my vote as I change my mind like I did for the election lol. Yeah, right now I'm leaning on kane unless something changes. I think I'm out of ideas myself, but will still be open to ideas from others.

I've got one question though. Why are people pushing so hard for a double lynch on day 3? I'm not sure we have enough to be sure that we'll have 2 worthy suspects tomorrow as things stand now. I'm probably going to abstain from that vote for the time being. I'm not going to vote against that if it ends up what most people want to do. I'm not going to vote for it for now - unless someone manages to persuade me.
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January 23 2010 22:11 GMT
#1059
I'm aware of the reverse psychology aspect, but it seems like a risky play for the mafia facing a possible double lynch day tomorrow. Eventhough I threw that out, I would not be opposed to lynching the 2 of them on consecutive days if that is where the strongest clue connections are.
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January 23 2010 22:44 GMT
#1065
Well, the main reason I'm advocating clues right now is that I'm not sure if we have anyone worth lynching based on something other than clues. If I am wrong, I'd like to hear what people think - who to lynch and why.

The best ways I can think to confirm an innocent right now are a medic save and a clue analysis hitting hom. Both players involved in a medic will now know eachother are innocent. If a clue analysis hits home - the person who first proposed it is probably innocent. Your point about mafia doing fake clue analysis is certainly valid, but I don't think they would go to the point of incriminating a fellow mafia to appear cooperative. Then again, I could be wrong - the mafia could be being very tricky. That person who did the clue analysis would look clean for a very long time, perhaps indefinitely. It could be wroth sacrificing 1 mafia to ensure longevity of another.

As for trapping a mafia, I don't have any surefire ways in mind yet. I'm hoping it ends up being sort of a "know a slip up when I see it" type of thing. Any PMs I have done have been pretty mild and unrevealing. There isn't anything I've said in a PM that I wouldn't have minded sharing openly - and it would appear like the same from the PMs I have received.

I agree we should spend sometime giving suggestions to the blues on how to use their abilities. I believe this should be done in the open until we start getting a network of people that know eachother are innocents, like we tried to do in night 1. We can save these sort of discussions for the night phases, as when these are when those abilities are put into action.

And finally, I agree with holding off on the double lynch for now. Unless something changes - which is impossible to know at this point, since we don't know what will happen with night 2 and day 3 clues- I don't think we have enough viable suspect to justify one.
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January 23 2010 22:47 GMT
#1066
On January 24 2010 07:36 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Someone did this in BC's thread and I thought it worked well. I'm going to bold everything that jumps out to me as a possible clue:

Walking home from the post-election celebration, a slightly tipsy blue_arrow was whistling tunelessly to himself in the violet dusk. After a block or two, he noticed the sound of someone shuffling behind him. Though unnerved, he tried to shrug it off and started walking faster. The shuffling did not speed up in response, and blue_arrow felt safer the further he walked from his follower. As the streetlamps flickered on one by one, he took a quick peek behind him. One glimpse of his follower's frightening appearance was enough to clear his mind and convince him the Mafia was after him. Blue_arrow took off running. Sweat dripped off his forehead and fear spurred him to achieve near-Olympian speed as he sprinted for his life. He flew past several blocks in a few minutes, but always he could hear his attacker plodding relentlessly after him. Finally, the exhausted blue_arrow slumped against a lamppost, so worn out by his headlong dash that he couldn't move another step. All he could do was watch with mounting dread as his entirely unperturbed attacker caught up to blue_arrow and strangled him to death

Instead of walking, Bill Murray drove home after the celebrations. When he arrived at his driveway, he was initially startled to see that his garage door had been forced open and didn't find any comfort when he looked within. It appeared as if a wild animal had been let loose inside his garage. Noticing that all the guns on his weapon rack were broken, Bill Murray started to panic. He turned around in a hurry, only to notice a broken rafter fall from the ceiling, landing right next to him. A high-pitched snicker immediately attracted his attention. He anxiously scanned the area, looking for a weapon. From the darkness, a figure appeared just outside the garage, advancing on him with what looked like a sledgehammer. The figure moved quickly, wearing a large helmet resembling an old rusty pail. The figure drew closer, and Bill Murray panicked and ran toward the door. Bill Murray tugged on the door, but it was locked. Bill Murray met his doom as the sledgehammer came down on his skull, ending his life.


nothing really stands out to me in the third death scenario :o


I agree with these. A few I might add:

From the first: "violet dusk" and "plodding relentlessly"
From the second: "all the guns on his weapon rack were broken" This one could imply that the killer knew Bill Murray was a detective. This could point to some of the people he divulged his role to via PM - though we don't have a complete list and I doubt people are going to admit to it now.
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January 23 2010 22:51 GMT
#1067
I'll do #3:

Meanwhile, long after his fellow townspeople had left, Abenson lingered at the site of the lynching to ponder the unsettling recent events affecting Liquidia. He was so deep in his reflections that it took him a while to become aware of a presence beside him, also contemplating the empty gallows. He turned to face his fellow observer and cleared his throat. "Sad, isn't it?" he ventured.

"Yes," the man responded. "Many men will die here, before all this is done. One of them will be you."

As the words filtered through Abenson's brain, he blinked in sudden, terrible comprehension and turned to run. But the other man was unfazed; he simply reached out and grabbed a handful of Abenson's shirt with a powerful grip, preventing him from getting anywhere. Before the thwarted Abenson could break free or lash out, his attacker drove his knee hard into Abenson's groin, causing him to double over in agony. With a few quick punches and kicks, Abenson was left mangled before his attacker left the lynch site as quietly as he had come.

The main things that jump out at me are the physical nature of the attack (no weapons) and the quiet manner he approached and left. The quote could also end up being significant in someway later.
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#1071
On January 24 2010 07:52 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
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On January 24 2010 07:47 789 wrote:
On January 24 2010 07:36 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Someone did this in BC's thread and I thought it worked well. I'm going to bold everything that jumps out to me as a possible clue:

Walking home from the post-election celebration, a slightly tipsy blue_arrow was whistling tunelessly to himself in the violet dusk. After a block or two, he noticed the sound of someone shuffling behind him. Though unnerved, he tried to shrug it off and started walking faster. The shuffling did not speed up in response, and blue_arrow felt safer the further he walked from his follower. As the streetlamps flickered on one by one, he took a quick peek behind him. One glimpse of his follower's frightening appearance was enough to clear his mind and convince him the Mafia was after him. Blue_arrow took off running. Sweat dripped off his forehead and fear spurred him to achieve near-Olympian speed as he sprinted for his life. He flew past several blocks in a few minutes, but always he could hear his attacker plodding relentlessly after him. Finally, the exhausted blue_arrow slumped against a lamppost, so worn out by his headlong dash that he couldn't move another step. All he could do was watch with mounting dread as his entirely unperturbed attacker caught up to blue_arrow and strangled him to death

Instead of walking, Bill Murray drove home after the celebrations. When he arrived at his driveway, he was initially startled to see that his garage door had been forced open and didn't find any comfort when he looked within. It appeared as if a wild animal had been let loose inside his garage. Noticing that all the guns on his weapon rack were broken, Bill Murray started to panic. He turned around in a hurry, only to notice a broken rafter fall from the ceiling, landing right next to him. A high-pitched snicker immediately attracted his attention. He anxiously scanned the area, looking for a weapon. From the darkness, a figure appeared just outside the garage, advancing on him with what looked like a sledgehammer. The figure moved quickly, wearing a large helmet resembling an old rusty pail. The figure drew closer, and Bill Murray panicked and ran toward the door. Bill Murray tugged on the door, but it was locked. Bill Murray met his doom as the sledgehammer came down on his skull, ending his life.


nothing really stands out to me in the third death scenario :o


I agree with these. A few I might add:

From the first: "violet dusk" and "plodding relentlessly"
From the second: "all the guns on his weapon rack were broken" This one could imply that the killer knew Bill Murray was a detective. This could point to some of the people he divulged his role to via PM - though we don't have a complete list and I doubt people are going to admit to it now.


The moderator would have no way of knowing who Bill Murray was PMing with, and it's already been 100% confirmed clues point only toward names, signatures, and profiles. Nothing else.


Good point - my bad.
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#1072
I probably shoulda combined this with my last point.
"Medic
You have the ability to prevent one hit on a player of your choice during the night. Each paramedic can only stop one hit and as such if the number of mafia is greater than the number of paramedics on a player then that player will die. You will know if you saved the person. The person will know if he was saved. If you are protecting a veteran, and they are hit, your ability supercedes theirs. You cannot protect yourself. A medic can protect someone the night she/he gets killed. They won't be notified of their save though, since they are dead."

Though is doesn't explicitly state it, I was assuming this meant the person who was saved would know the identity of the person who saved him. I'll PM a mod for clarification. You also have a good point about protecting a mafia from a vigilante hit - let's just hope that doesn't happen.
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#1075
On January 24 2010 08:39 Qatol wrote:
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On January 24 2010 07:58 789 wrote:
I probably shoulda combined this with my last point.
"Medic
You have the ability to prevent one hit on a player of your choice during the night. Each paramedic can only stop one hit and as such if the number of mafia is greater than the number of paramedics on a player then that player will die. You will know if you saved the person. The person will know if he was saved. If you are protecting a veteran, and they are hit, your ability supercedes theirs. You cannot protect yourself. A medic can protect someone the night she/he gets killed. They won't be notified of their save though, since they are dead."

Though is doesn't explicitly state it, I was assuming this meant the person who was saved would know the identity of the person who saved him. I'll PM a mod for clarification. You also have a good point about protecting a mafia from a vigilante hit - let's just hope that doesn't happen.

If you are saved, you know that SOMEONE saved you (the PM is something like "You have taken a hit, but have been saved!"), but you are not told who saved you. The medic is also told that they have made a save (and obviously know who they protected in the first place).


Alright man, thanks for the clarification. Guess I was wrong.
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#1082
Abenson, please stop lol. If you keep posting after your dead, they may ban you from participating in further mafias.
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#1095
Yeah, I don't like the decision we have this day cycle at all. There are really no candidates I feel comfortable and confident with. Every time I consider a candidate I like to consider the possibility if we're wrong they will flip blue. When I think like that, there are none I feel confident in.
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#1098
I know Ser Aspi brought up the point that we probably don't know enough from the clues to pick a good lynching candidate, but I think it is our best bet for now. I don't think there is anyone worth lynching based on behavior. The only other thing I can think of is posting activity. We could lynch someone that is inactive, losing an inactive green won't hurt much. This can be risky, as we could lynch a blue who is laying low. This chance is probably about equal to getting a lurking mafia. I don't know if that is worth the risk either.
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#1100
Yeah, I was just throwing out alternatives to following the clues. Mostly to suggest that it isn't a good idea. If we screw up on clues, at least we knew we gave it a good honest try then a random choice.
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#1103
Well we have three categories.

1) Clues and active, but not defending themselves. Hobbes from day 1 killer 1 would fit into this category. He's posted some, but never tried to defend himself in any real way. I would say the clues aren't that strong on him though. I'm not sure I think about his behavior. He may be playing it safe and to not incriminate himself or just knows there is nothing he can really say. He hasn't really contributed much or defended himself which is a bit odd.

2) Clues and defended self. Flamewheel falls into this category. He hasn't really been that active until he was brought up as a possible suspect. I think that is a little bit suspicious myself. There is still the possibility that he is just trying to honestly defense himself.

3) Clues and inactive. Treadmasta(spelling?) and kane fall into this category. Hard to gauge these. They could be lurking mafia or green/blues. Or just simply not participating.
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#1105
Ah yes, I had a feeling I was forgetting someone.
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#1107
I'm not quite sure yet. Flamewheel's olympic link is pretty decent and his behavior is at least a little suspicious. I think him and Kane have the strongest clue links. The problem with the Kane clue ... maybe I went fishing and found something completely unrelated that the writer didn't know about by luck. Then again I can't think of anything that remotely fits that. They both hurt equally bad if they flip blue, but I think flamewheel will hurt more if he flips green. He's at least proven that he does participate by defending himself. I am still leaning towards kane, but I feel less confident about the decision as time goes by.
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January 24 2010 05:21 GMT
#1110
Actually now that I think about it, Hobbes did make one post in his defense. I'm too lazy to go find it, but I remember his point being hobbes isn't barbaric like killer 1 day 1; he's laid back. That's a decent point, but we can't assume that writer knows that.
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January 24 2010 05:29 GMT
#1113
While I said your behavior might be a little suspicious, I still have kane #1 on my list for what it's worth. Also I agee with your second point, which is why I said it would hurt more if you flipped green.
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#1115
Yeah I said I thought I remembered a small defense post from him in another of my posts. I'm too lazy to go searching for it as I don't have any idea what page it is on.
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#1116
On January 21 2010 01:55 [NyC]HoBbes wrote:
Wow, I log back on and suddenly I'm top suspect... fun. Only thing I'll say in my defense is that out of Calvin and Hobbes in the cartoon, Hobbes comes off at least 90% of the time as the exact opposite of Calvin's Loud/barbaric. Even though he's the tiger, he's usually the laid-back, philosophical one.


Found it on page 11. Decided to put a little bit of effort into it, and I picked a lucky place to start at page 10. I scanned the next 5 pages or so and that is all he really had to say about it.
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#1121
On January 24 2010 14:44 flamewheel91 wrote:
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On January 24 2010 14:29 789 wrote:
While I said your behavior might be a little suspicious, I still have kane #1 on my list for what it's worth. Also I agee with your second point, which is why I said it would hurt more if you flipped green.


And if you're accused, 789, by the same token it will seem suspicious if your posting activity rises in order to save your own life. But I thank you for your logical follow through--I am still strongly protesting my lynching by the rest of the bandwagoners out there.


I would expect as much, but I don't think my activity level would rise that much ... I'm already in the top 3 probably. Which leads me to the real reason I am making this post...

Zona, can we get another one of your post count extractions run. I'm still using the one you made back on the high 30's haha.
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#1162
Bill said this as his first post of being weird:
On January 22 2010 03:05 Bill Murray wrote:
to be honest, after speaking with someone in private, i realize now that i hope t_co isn't red (for my own sake). If t_co is red, i hope a medic out there will protect me


On January 23 2010 12:53 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Another PM from Bill Murray, choose to believe it or not.

"honestly, i trust you 3rd of the players (behind citi.zen and someone else), and i trust you more than meeple. i trust him 4th or 5th. that being said, there is no way for me to rolecheck you. if you or meeple are red, i expect you both to be, and the game is already essentially lost. if you're both red, you will probably not kill me, as i trust you all more than the opposition. "

So there was someone else he was talking to in pm besides me and citi.zen it seems. Although I have no idea who. I would guess Zona if I had to since BM asked me what I thought of Zona, but that's not for sure.


Ok where I am going with this is, maybe Bill started acting weird because he had already PM'd people and told them he was a detective. If he told DoctorH, he may have told #1 and #2 on his trust list. We shouldn't ignore the possibility that the mafia figured him out from his odd behavior. We should also consider the possibility that he started acting odd because he thought he had PM'd a mafia his role.

Does anyone know who #2 is?
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#1168
Well it seems we have a lot of ways to go... Thoughts?
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#1186
Things are starting to get juicy as we near the dead line lol. I really need to make up my mind....
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#1191
On January 25 2010 07:06 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
I think it should be noted that the "olympic runner" in the first scenario is describing Blue_Arrow not the mafia who killed him.


At the same time, if blue_arrow ran at near olympic speeds and still wasn't able to get away...
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#1195
I'm well aware of the plodded on relentlessly phrase. Plodding doesn't necessarily imply slow - though it can. "3. to work with constant and monotonous perseverance; drudge." Also if blue_arrow could still hear him - he wasn't that far behind. I'm not saying we should lynch flamewheel, I'm just trying to keep the connection from slipping in between the cracks.
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#1200
On January 25 2010 07:47 Mystlord wrote:
I honestly don't find any of the connections convincing now. There's just always something that doesn't seem right... I really don't see where the keit connection is coming from :/ Maybe my lack of Sesame Street knowledge makes the apple clue not all that convincing.


I suggest we sit down as a group and watch an episode of sesame street.
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#1214
Crap...
Anyway I just read Zona's post and I think he may be on to something. For instance the second killer from 2 day 2 clues ... with the bucket looking helmet. Say Incognito is writing in the second style Zona proposed. He could have made Ser Aspi a knight persona (Ser is used as a substitute for Sir in some writings ... and sir is a common way to address a knight.) Bucket like helmet could fit a knight. I'm just throwing this out as an example, not suggesting we should lynch Ser Aspi next.
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#1223
I voted for kane because of the link I found between the bucket helmet/sledge hammer and the musical instrument kane. I ended up being wrong. I thought he was low risk since he had only posted once. A non participating green isn't a huge loss - although I wish we would have been able to lynch a mafia. We don't have much time left, we need to get one on day 3.
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January 25 2010 03:15 GMT
#1227
Tredmasta was as much of a stretch as kane was. I was considering voting for flamewheel, but at the time I voted it wouldn't have mattered.

It is all a moot point if Zona is right about us reading the clues wrong.
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January 25 2010 03:32 GMT
#1230
I didn't say the flamewheel one was a stretch. But I don't feel like arguing this right now. For some reason nobody else seems to want to talk about Zona's suggestion. I think we should.
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#1237
On January 25 2010 12:51 JohannesH wrote:
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On January 25 2010 12:09 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
On January 25 2010 11:43 Zona wrote:
Man, one thing I really want is for all voters to post why they voted the way they did. If we're going to focus away from clue-based mafia hunting (since it hasn't done us much good so far), this kind of reasoning is the minimum required.

Town members, even those with blue powers, need to post more (and never lie, although it's fine to deny knowledge and post suspicions even when you're not sure), so that mafia can't get by without posting. Then mafia who do post might eventually slip up by posting contradictions or lies that they had to make to keep their identity secret.


Since I've asked for people to explain their votes, I might as well start.

I came to the thread pretty close to the deadline as I was working all afternoon on other things so it was too late to really be influencing outcomes. But since this is something that's a good ploy for mafia members to use, I'll do my best to get in early in the next discussion. I ended up stacking an unnecessary extra vote on kane just to see if the olympic clue really was that straightforward, but it wasn't. I do think we should focus away from clue-based mafia hunting for now.


Why I voted the way I did:

I voted for kane]deth[ initially because of the evidence meeple posted. However, keits clues from Day 1 and his finger pointing behavior/inactivity convinced me he is more likely mafia than kane.

Aggressive finger pointing isnt something a mafia would do too much I think.


It could be a useful tactic for the mafia to send one to do that. If the mafia can cause chaos amongst the townies it makes it much harder for them to work together and take out the mafia.
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#1243
Anyway, at some point this night cycle we're going to need to give the blues advice on how to use their abilities. If the detectives (I hope we have 1 left at least) didn't use the role check to find a person to trust tactic ... they could do that. It would also be nice if they could use their clue checking abilities to find out incognito's clue writing style.
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#1251
On January 25 2010 13:10 Mystlord wrote:
I think at this point we can definitely trust citi.zen. And I'm almost certain that citi.zen is being protected by medics. We might be able to structure a town leadership through him. meeple is probably also trustworthy, I'm just a bit less sure about that.


I say Zona is pretty trustworthy right now.
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#1289
Yeah, while things aren't going good for us; we still have time to get it turned around. We just need to get things figured out in a hurry. Figuring out the clue writing style could be a help, but maybe we should lynch on suspicious behavior next. Unless day 3 clues afford us some sort of revelation.
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#1290
On January 26 2010 00:04 citi.zen wrote:
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On January 26 2010 00:00 flamewheel91 wrote:
On January 25 2010 22:20 citi.zen wrote:
A couple of random observations, which will not help anyone at this point: the mafia killed the first three people if you list naes alphabetically, ignoring punctuation marks; we complain about clues, but in the end we did not really use the strongest ones for lynching either night. Hobbes and freewheel are still with us, and t_co and kane turned out to be green.


flamewheel
I agree though: until we get the next set of clues, it would be prudent for us to look based on players' actions and interactions.

Seeing as how I cannot actually dissuade people from logic since clues are there, I invite persons who have suspicions about me to interrogate me further.


I don't see how we are saying the same thing: you are suggesting looking at people's actions instead of clues, I am stating that we tried tha with t_co and kane, and it has not worked out very well.


This is a good point though.
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#1296
On January 26 2010 01:26 meeple wrote:
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On January 26 2010 00:28 JohannesH wrote:
On January 26 2010 00:08 citi.zen wrote:
Just keep in mind that t_co was lynched solely on suspicious behavior. I am not saying it is always the wrong approach, just that it can easily backfire.

Aggressive behaviour shouldnt be considered suspicious most of the time. Thats the stance we should take collectively. Inactivity is whats suspicious.

And in the end, it isnt right now so crucial as who we lynch right now since lets face it - it far more likely to hit a townie at this point. What matters is getting discussion with substance, to pile clues for later.


I would mostly agree with this. Some people would argue that we lynched kane]deth[ off clues, but I think it was mainly because he didn't protest at all.

Regardless, what are people's ideas concerning the double lynches? Should we only use it if we're absolutely sure of two mafia?


I'd have to agree with your kane]deth[ point. I ended up voting for him in the end not because I thought the clues on him were the strongest - but because I thought he was the lowest risk to lose. He was hardly participating in the game at all, and I considered him to be a small loss if he flipped green like he did. Probably not the best of reasons - but it was my reason.

The double lynch is a double edged sword. It can help us get back into the game by clearing out 2 mafia in one day. But it can hurt us badly - if we use 2 lynches and end up with 0 mafia, we're basically doing their job for them. I don't know if we have to be absolutely sure of 2 - but at least a solid conviction. If we double lynch we NEED to get at least 1 mafia with it.
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#1297
And yes, we get 2 double lynches per game.
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#1300
On January 26 2010 02:59 Ng5 wrote:
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On January 26 2010 02:22 Phrujbaz wrote:
I remember somebody arguing (ng5?) that it doesn't matter if we could reduce kill power with double lynch or not. If we need to kill three Mafia, it doesn't matter if we first kill two and then one or if we kill one first and then two. I think that logic is wrong.

First you have to remember that our double lynches are limited. That alone means we should only use one if we really think we can lynch two Mafia. Furthermore, there is always the risk of lynching two innocents. If we cannot reduce kill power right away it doesn't make sense to use double lynch already. We don't lose anything by waiting a day in that case. And we gain more information, leading to better informed lynches.

We NEVER gain anything by using double lynch on a day where even killing two Mafia wouldn't reduce kill power.

What does complicate things is that we cannot vote double lynch into place for today's lynch. It's always for the day after. So we have to think ahead a little. If we have a 100% confirmed Mafia, then we know that tomorrow there will be one less Mafia. That means we might want to use double lynch tomorrow, which means we have to vote for it today.

When would we have such a situation? I think we need three Mafia suspects, at least one of which is very solid. We lynch the solid Mafia today, vote for double lynch, and have the potential to kill two more Mafia the next day (we'd even have more clues than we do today).

I don't think we should use double lynch yet. I don't know how you guys are feeling but I'm not very confident in anyone being Mafia. AT ALL


I also said that if maths and logic doesn't rub off on you I won't explain again, nor in more detail.


I agree with you in the fact that it doesn't matter which order we take the mafia down, if we have 2 suspects to take down we do it - even if it doesn't reduce their KP. It seems that you, now correct me if I'm wrong, are ignoring the possibility that we won't have 2 mafia to lynch. You are one of the biggest supporters of using the double lynches asap, but you even abstained from voting in this last lynch. It seems that you don't think there are mafia we have figured out to lynch either, but still push for the double lynch. So, who would be the 2 people you would have suggested double lynching tomorrow (I know we don't have day 3 clues yet). You should have at least 1 in mind if you're going to push for it so hard.
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January 25 2010 21:50 GMT
#1303
I have a feeling we're going to lose a lot of townies to mod killing.
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January 25 2010 22:05 GMT
#1306
Lol irony.
I'm not saying you don't help - I'd have to review your posts first. But I find it funny 10 minutes after you were accused of popping out only when accused you popped out. The timing is hilarious.
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January 25 2010 22:35 GMT
#1315
Ok, so what I just did was compare postcounts vs post on the site in the last week in general. The high post count on the site in general gets rid of the "don't have time" issue.

Mystlord
JohannesH
skronch

These are the three names that stood out on that cross check. Skronch especially ... with almost 100 posts in the last week and only 1 here.
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#1319
It is too far out to say, the deadline for the next lynch vote is a little over 2 days away still. A lot can still happen. I was just throwing the facts out for now.
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January 26 2010 02:24 GMT
#1334
"1. Posting after death. One polite goodbye post is acceptable but please do not post anything which could POSSIBLY affect the game."

Well here is my polite good bye. It was fun playing with yall, good luck to the remaining townies; I think you might need it at this point. Why didn't Zona and Faronel come with me! lol.

And yes I did just turn into a body guard, Incognito edited it to reflect that I was a bodyguard, not just green.
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#1641
EDIT: Eh, I'm not supposed to post when I'm dead, it wouldn't have affected anything but I deleted it anyway.
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February 01 2010 06:25 GMT
#1762
Oh it's over ... GG everyone. Hope to see yall in future mafia games.
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February 01 2010 17:42 GMT
#1788
The only problem would be if the mafia start hitting eachother haha.
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United States959 Posts
February 01 2010 18:13 GMT
#1791
Yeah i had my suspicions about DrH early on - but I didn't really do anything with them because I thought if I did no one would side with me, and I would just get killed one way or another. Glad it worked out for the rest of the town, things ended up busting wide open - unfortunately after I had died lol.
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United States959 Posts
February 01 2010 20:50 GMT
#1799
I only really had 2 mafia pegged (DrH and Keit) at the time I was killed. I suspected a couple others that ended up being right - but I certainly wasn't sure. There is also some townies that I had pegged wrong - ghote as an example. I wasn't sure what to think of him and he ended up being a medic lol.
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United States959 Posts
February 01 2010 22:06 GMT
#1811
On February 02 2010 06:29 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
We communicated via mIRC at #eggsalad

mostly myself/mystlord/keit, but keit eventually tilted and started acting very strangely. He told Jugan in a PM that I was an asshole and told everyone to lynch him and that this game is hella gay after painting me as mafia for no reason

phrujbaz/hyperbola occasionally dropped in, but there was zero communication with derfboy

it was mostly me and mystlord conversing over irc


Oh so that whole arguments and voting for eachother was real. I assumed it was staged to throw suspicion off the other if one of you got found out lol. It was when I decided that I thought Keit was definitely mafia.
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February 01 2010 22:11 GMT
#1813
It makes sense now lol. At the time after reading it all I was like ... ok they are both mafia, but why the heck would they be doing this? Is it staged? So why did Keit flip out like that?
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United States959 Posts
February 01 2010 22:14 GMT
#1815
Yeah citi.zen ... I thought it was the same kind of deal.
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United States959 Posts
February 03 2010 00:15 GMT
#1835
On February 03 2010 09:03 citi.zen wrote:
I don't know if a "rematch " per se is possible, it would have all new "teams".


It would work out extremely well for the town lol.
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February 03 2010 19:50 GMT
#1846
I updated my profile for the next time I'm involved in a mafia game.
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United States959 Posts
February 04 2010 03:38 GMT
#1855
On February 04 2010 12:14 citi.zen wrote:
In this particular game we caught 6/7 mafia yet we misinterpreted clues all the way to the end. Just ask poor Hobbes. + Show Spoiler +
On January 29 2010 13:07 [NyC]HoBbes wrote:
all I know is finally the clues dont suggest me... considering the last few nights I was expecting tonight to be "his orange, stripy attacker left a great deal of fur and tuna fish behind..."
Sorry. Could not resist.

Well I was right about the knife pointing to DrH from killer 2 on the first batch of clues. That's the only one I got right b4 I died though.
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February 09 2010 17:46 GMT
#1892
Guess he's considering BCs number 17, eventhough they were both numbered 16. You playing in 18?
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United States959 Posts
February 09 2010 18:01 GMT
#1894
Oh din see you when I glanced at it lol. I'll be playing too.
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United States959 Posts
February 09 2010 18:58 GMT
#1896
Oh snap! But which family .......... DEN DUN DEN
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