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On January 05 2010 16:52 Vivi57 wrote: I say we kill scamp. He'll post so little that his role won't be too transparent and we'll be forced to kill him for inactivity without gaining new information. This also helps to enforce that mafia must post or they'll be killed for inactivity. Just for the record. Can we wait to see who the fuck is actually inactive before deciding who we are going to kill for inactivity? | ||
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On January 06 2010 10:46 Ace wrote: I agree, except how do you know they are town? :/ Also remember we've seen plenty of times where Townies themselves contributed to the deception and cluster fuck of the game (see RoL in any game he plays). THIS IS LIKE THE FOURTH ANTI-ROL POST I HAVE SEEN. GET THE FUCK OFF IT. Holy shit. I am going to go read the entire thread and just start yelling at everyone I feel like yelling at. Especially you, because I hate you for hating me. See you all in 20 minutes! | ||
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On January 05 2010 15:39 L wrote: Dear morans. http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/moran Step one. Learn to spell properly before insulting everyone else. You suck. Also you replaced your 4th and 5th bullets with $ %. On January 05 2010 17:00 vx70GTOJudgexv wrote: Hmm.. No clues, and no majority lynches make for an awkward D1. However, I have a plan. I AM A MEDIC. + Show Spoiler [Bullshit] + Stop. Read. Let it sink in. I just openly claimed to start this game off. Other medics (if you exist), stay in hiding. Why? 1) I can be more effective this way. First, I can be confirmed rather easily with this done. That will come on Day 2, but I can be. Second, it allows me to work in the open and play with mafia's head. I can make my own list towards the end of each day and force mafia to play a guessing game as to who on the list I will protect, if I will actually protect anyone from that list, or if it is worth it to try and kill me and will I protect myself. 2) As stated above, it will throw a major wrench into the mafias night-actions. They will not know if they are safe to try and kill me, or one of my targets. They don't know if there are other medics either who can protect me and/or my targets. 3) Mafia is now going to push to get me killed, either very boldly or subtly, via a lynch. This will give us a pool to work with of potential suspects. This is such a bullshit post its absurd. You are mafia. There is no fucking way to ever confirm you. You are probably just the godfather whose just going to try to dickover a DT. I would say just kill you tonight and save us the drama. There really is NO reason to keep you alive. You are either going to cause confusion in trying to confirm you as a "medic" because it just can't be done. Killing you will either A. Get rid of a mafia who tried playing some dumb ploy that just shouldn't let you live but no one wants to A. Waste a lynch and B. Kill a blue. I am just going to say it, your move was dumb and is very mafia orientated. We can't prove your mafia or a medic, we can't prove shit. Your just going to cause confusion and probably get a DT killed. Losing the GF isn't a big deal either as long as you can trade it off for a "DT" or some town influence for a couple of days. Lets just kill Judge and save ourselves the god damn heartache and pages of arguments. I am not even waiting, I am voting for him as a I write this. Disagree with me or not, hes playing like a retard or a mafia trying a dumb ploy that in most circumstances I could see paying off. But lets not let this become one of those circumstances. On January 05 2010 20:13 Zato-1 wrote: Hm. Scamp doesn't post much, but what he does post is usually telling, in my experience. Since all we have on day 1 for choosing a Lynch target is behavioral analysis, I'd rather go after the people who are 'immune' to behavioral analysis. And by this, I mean Chezinu. Usually, all he posts are random references to 'Ace' and 'Brown', and his comments are completely unrelated to the game, its players, its roles, suggested courses of action, etc. That is, in fact, a valid mafia strategy- say a lot of shit so people don't peg you down for being inactive, but never commit to saying something relevant so that you won't be called out for something you said. As it is, the only way for the Town to ever determine his role directly will be through a DT, which I'd rather use on some other big-name players instead (L, Ace). Leaning: Lynch Chezinu Then, there's the matter of our other night roles: DTs, Medics, Vigis. DTs should definitely check out the big-name players. For me, these are: Ace, L. They're basically a big boon in terms of post quality, behavioral analysis and Town leadership if they're Townies, so it's a good idea to see whether we should be rallying around them early or not. And if they're mafia... we'll want them lynched ASAP. Oh, and do remember the Godfather won't show up as mafia in a RC; if a RC comes up Red, the DT knows with 100% certainty that player's mafia. If it doesn't come up red, the DT does not know with 100% certainty whether that player's mafia or not. CANT WE WAIT UNTIL CHEZ FUCKING POSTS? I mean if he really posts his Brown shit we kill him. Medics should cover blue roles. How do you find out if someone is a blue role? Good question. Hopefully I'll be able to answer it by nighttime. I also think while we are having our medics protect blue roles we should also only lynch reds. I feel like following this solid plan can win us the game. On January 05 2010 20:22 Zato-1 wrote: What evidence are you talking about? If it's, "He accused me so I'll accuse him", that's not valid in my book- it leads to Town infighting most of the time, which benefits none but the mafia. Learn to read sarcasm. He only posted that because Vivi said kill Scamp for dumb reasons before seeing how hes playing at all. If hes quiet we kill him. On January 05 2010 21:24 Ace wrote:I agree that killing useless players is always a sound strategy when there isn't a better idea. Of course with the what, 15 or so mafia games played so far that list isn't exactly hard to populate at the moment: 1.) vivi57 2.) nemy 3.) RebirthofLegend And if any of you remember last game with the huge fuck ups of 3 players in particular the prime candidate for most detrimental to the town is RoL. He doesn't read and is a sheep. He's easily influenced and lets his emotions get to him and rarely if ever helps the town. Last game he didn't even realize he was being manipulated until the very end. Vivi57 and nemy, well you guys already know how terrible both of them are. It's just that RoL is far worse than either of them. Holy shit Ace, this is ridiculous. You have no idea what happened last game to where you can judge me "manipulated" Yeah, I sided with L that Shikyo was probably the GF because 3 DT's seemed improbable. At the same time Shikyo never communicated with me and stopped posting when L told me he was GF. He went from being really active to not posting shit for no reason at all. I also managed to do 2 succesful protects after making contact with L, which he knew I was protecting. I forgot who they were on but one was Midori. Why would the mafia waste their hits when they KNOW who I am protecting? The only time that it was an "OH SHIT" moment was when I saw a second medic die and was really confused. I didn't realize for the sake of game balance their wouldn't be two medics and a Veteran. I died like a day later. So for you to say I played like absolute shit speaks to your ignorance. I predicted three hits which were also the SAME EXACT FUCKING PROTECTS THE OTHER MEDIC DID. So yeah, maybe a saved a mafia with one of them but if I didn't the other medic would have. Just get off my balls please and move on with the game. On January 06 2010 02:14 L wrote: Day 1 roleclaiming medic is beyond ballsy, and your payoff seems to be little more than making a list and then having a dt check you OR telling the vig to hit a target and protecting it. How exactly is this not godfather play? I mean, I've already thought about the relative pros and cons of you doing this as a green, dt, vig, vet, medic, and godfather, but I want to hear what you've got to say about this. If you're trying to absorb a dt check rather than anyone the DT wanted to check; that's interesting. We'd rather have checks on reds rather than on blues. If you're trying to get the vig to hit someone, that's double interesting. It would be triple interesting depending on how you asked him. You're probably not going to get lynched day 1, but then again it was highly unlikely that you would have been the eventual lynch target on the first day anyways. So objectively it seems like you're trying to call attention to yourself, which is the standard play for vets and godfathers. Dunno, give me your take on it, and don't pretend that the list stupidity is a good idea granted that you could have had a mouth produce the list. The timing and activity in the thread indicates that there are very few people who could have gotten you as a mouth as well. Just seems a bit odd that no one's talking about it. So we have 2 topics of interest now: 1) Medic claim 2) Who y'all wanna kill There are better ways to get attention as a vet while not fucking with the town. Lying is generally a bad thing to do, it is mafia behavior. Be as honest as possible and keep plans simple. That is how you behave town orientated. If hes trying to get the DT to check him its dumb, he would probably just be the godfather with this behavior. I want to kill Judge and just save us this problem further down the line. I already posted how this benefits the mafia for more than it could the town. Mafia is NOT risking KP with a move like this and they can get a DT if the DT is foolish enough to role check and call to Judge. They are also getting the town off topic which doesn't help us either. So yeah, 1. Medic is bullshit GF ploy. 2. Kill Judge. Simple enough. | ||
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On January 06 2010 09:00 L wrote: Given you were the one that noted this 2 games ago, WIFOM is a pretty bad move as justification. AND BE WORSE OFF THAN NOW? HO HO HO. MERRY CHRISTMAS. Your reasoning is pretty bad, bromigo Very simply if you wanted to use a mouth here is all you had to do. Wait a day or a little bit, just PM someone completely fucking random and just say "Hey the way you were posting makes me think your a *TOWN ROLE* tonight I just want to start up town circle seems like a good way to start it. and yeah tonight I am protecting L. Then just protect your fucking self. If there is no hit at all that night, chances are you PMed a mafia who is like "lol ez kill" then hit you thinking you were just sitting there for fun. They probably also would of overlooked that you could protect yourself. But you decided to do some dumbshit move. | ||
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On January 06 2010 10:43 Ace wrote: First of all one thing I need to make clear: I've seen medics openly claim Day 1 before in similar formats and almost every single time they end in disaster and the town loses. Now before I go into specifics of why, Judge I know you've played on Mafiascum. Assuming they are pretty good over there you've probably seen a lot of possibilities for broken cop/medic claims that is doable in this game. That's the ONLY thing that makes me even remotely think you can be a legit medic. If that wasn't possible I'd just call for your lynch. The reasoning that Mafia wouldn't fake claim a medic because it offers little gain is moot - everyone would come to the same reasoning you just did (logically) and agree the medic is obviously real because no mafia would sac himself. Which is wrong. Mafia KP is always 1. If we all come to that logical conclusion we in fact now have a Mafia who gained something for nothing because everyone thinks it's so stupid why would they do it. Now the other reason Medic role claims end in disaster is that if you're lying the real medic doesn't know if you're a Vet false claiming or a Mafia in disguise. Regardless they won't talk to you, the cop can't do anything once he RCs you if you aren't a Medic and you will most certainly be dead soon. I think Scamp said it pretty well earlier: This is a guessing game, but now it's no longer a blind guessing game from the Mafia side but a potential shot of information they shouldn't have this early. If you're gambit fails and you are really the medic and you die tonight, the game is going to be ridiculously hard for the town. You've got experience. You SHOULD know that with you not being able to be confirmed through medic protections we have no incentive to believe you at all. I'm inclined to say you're move is very anti-town at the moment. I also agree with this 100%. See Ace we can agree if we really try! Oh and here's to my inactivity going away. I just didn't have time/patience to read the entire thread at that moment. I will post tons don't worry. | ||
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On January 07 2010 00:45 Zato-1 wrote: Get a hold of yourself, man. Trying to vindicate your actions in a previous game, fighting back at random insults and posting 6 times consecutively while sounding really passionate at the same time just makes it look like you're lashing out. Not conducive to a smart, organized Town at all. So, yeah- less talk-back and discussing other games, more discussing what we should be doing this game please. Read more please, 90% of what I wrote was about this game and Judge's actions. The other 10% was about talking about past games. I just simply said that Ace can't continue being a dick because hes mad I fucked him over when I was a VI like 2 years ago. This grudge shit is annoying and not productive. Ace assumes he knows everything about everything when in reality most people in my situation would of done the same shit most likely including himself. Can we please just focus on Judge? and i was posting as I was reading and knowing that a lot of people just skip text blocks I repeated a few things as I was reading. | ||
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I honestly just think hes being a dumb townie. However that post is also from when I had not really said anything and Scamp hadn't really either. If we believe in lynching inactives to make mafia post or die then he chose two decent candidates, me having not posted anything and scamp having not really posted much. The only thing I posted was kind of in scamp's defense. I am sure Malongo would change his mind now when he rereads the thread. That post is from at least one page ago and kind of just looks like you are trying to save Judge from having made a bad move. | ||
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Who do you want to kill? | ||
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It will go great with my plan to lynch only reds and have our medics protect only blues. | ||
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On January 07 2010 09:52 L wrote: The convincing argument is pretty obvious; He's a poor player as you've already accepted, his 6 consecutive posts are emotive and generally content poor. If you prefer him dying to malongo, then you'll switch. Just to respond to this shit which I have seen mentioned like 8 times. Where the hell does emotion come up in my post at all? I will be as aggressive as I want because I am trying to play devil's advocate in games. Also L, your right. Lynch me I am a bad player. Way worse than Malongo, you or the other 9 people in this game at the moment. | ||
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HOW DO WE CONFIRM JUDGE? Me, Ace and a few others have said how it is literally impossible. You say it is, please. Give me a reason to believe he CAN be confirmed and I will change my vote. | ||
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On January 07 2010 10:18 HeavOnEarth wrote: Now, assuming Judge is blue, i made this little list. Obviously this is just to offer up my thoughts/and summarize the thread, moreso, then actual concrete accusations, because , at least to me, there aren't any. 1. RebirthOfLeGend - obv. against judge , posts a lot of irrelevant info. about previous games. red 2. Ace - likewise, find it funny they agree with each other for once(not like, omg fish funny, just funny in general ) red 3. L green 4. vx70GTOJudgexv blue 5. Scamp - usually quiet when mafia, probably quiet if given a blue role as well. green 6. Zato-1 green 7. Chezinu - i dont see why he wouldn't keep up with his masquerade-ish style of posting if given a blue/red role therefore green 8. nemY - makes a case against judge red [spoiler] 9. HeavOnEarth - seems to be the general consensus- green 10. Vivi57 - points out inactivity and gives some information in past games referring to scamp, also used the term +EV so <3 green 12. Mikeymoo - seems to be genuinely busy green 13. Malongo - reason im making this post, seems green to me green This is just dumb. I referenced last game because I was attacked about it. Literally EVERYTHING else I wrote refers to Judge role claiming. Me and Ace have agreed on previous occasions, it just usually breaks up somewhere down the line. I am sure it will happen again when we disagree on something. Killing Judge is in the best interest of the town because of what I said before. Any claimer hopes the town is just indecisive enough to not kill him because he just might be blue. This is the shit that will just drag us down with the same argument until we eventually kill Judge. I am too lazy to point out most of your list, but I generally disagree with almost the entire thing. At this point I would say L, Zato-1, and Judge look the most likely mafia to me. | ||
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Sorry, I will post like spock from now on. On January 07 2010 09:56 L wrote: The risk/reward for killing you with your activity is pretty favorable compared to killing judge. If judge is telling the truth, he's going to be an active asset to the town. If he isn't, his influence is going to be checked by me and ace at the minimum. This is the exact mentality any role caller goes for. Lets hope they really really worry about killing me IF I am blue. Feeding into that mentality just gets us more confused down the road because we still have that UNCONFIRMED role caller. You still haven't said it though L, How do we confirm Judge? There is no harm in saying it. In fact there is less harm in saying it. Imagine if you die without this confirmation plan being revealed? Everyone else is clearly too dumb to realize he can be confirmed. Killing judge is the best plan so far, and I will stick it through. You guys voting Malongo are most likely about to kill a Townie. | ||
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On January 07 2010 11:33 Malongo wrote: Im inclined to believe L and judge are town. I think theres a gain on lynching RoL because RoL red=> Scamp red (I posted the reasoning clearly). I dont see a bad thing a medic claim because theres gain and no-lose as long as the other blues keep playing smart. Just to add more Milkymoo and Ace can see (or they know) im not really mafia. You can find better candidates to active_lurking boy (and yet again no im not active_lurking i proposed first post to lynch RoL). Given all the post garbage against me im now almost sure all this come from my first post aka lynch RoL. I tried defending you earlier and giving you the benefit of the doubt but this is just retarded. You want to kill me because I simply said we shouldn't kill people based on INACTIVITY in previous games? That is ridiculous. On January 07 2010 11:41 vx70GTOJudgexv wrote: I'm gonna leave for a bit - if I'm not back by deadline and I get lynched, I'll explain everything in postgame. If I do live, I need a DT to investigate me to further carry out this plan. It WILL continue this as long as you play along with it, got it? Good. Peace. How could a DT checking you do anything we wouldn't expect it to do? I mean the only surprise would be if you actually flip red and make the DT out himself by announcing that you came back red. Also there doesn't have to be a DT. Why do you guys keep assuming there is one? Last game i assumed there must bet a Vet and the only vet in the game was L as godfather. | ||
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But whatever that's in the past now. Lets see Judge's plan in action and then L somehow confirming that judge is the medic. Just for fun, the three people I suspected of being mafia voted malongo. Zato-1, L, and Judge. I just want that said for whatever happens in the future. But hey Judge, I guess I am done with the kill you bandwagon. Lets see some results! | ||
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Malongo accused me so we must either lynch me or him? I don't remember ever seeing that logic before. | ||
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Actually guys lets just hit him tonight. Or I can vigi him in the next night phase. | ||
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I just don't get this shit judge, what are you aiming for? Everything you just said seems like its mafia trying to save their own. I have yet to see your plan either. Why do you think Chezinu isn't a DT? | ||
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On January 08 2010 17:21 vx70GTOJudgexv wrote: You guys are too narrow-minded and retarded if you can't see from all of my posts how checking me would confirm me. This has been said like 50 times by you and L. Yet there has been NO DISTINCTION to how the fuck that would work. You are wasting a check since you are probably a GF. We know you are most likely one of three roles. GF, Vet, or Medic like you claimed. In any of those situations you would be seen as blue. I don't see where checking you benefits us here. Can anyone else? My aim is to bring the town together into a situation where we can win this game. I don't know how many more fucking times I have to say it. You have given no ideas or support, only a link to a mafia game from mafiascum that most people probably won't bother reading. Plus the game rules are different the main thing is THERE IS NO GF IN THAT GAME. And I don't believe Chez is a DT because this whole thing is too convenient. Do you really believe that he just happened to check a player and find mafia? Do you really think that Chezinu was able to use the PMs he sent out to people to figure out who is who? You know what he PMed me? "Bye." What kind of read is he going to get off of any response from that. FUCKING. NONE. Believe it or not, Chez is actually a very competent player in his own retarded way. While he is annoying as fuck and doesn't make sense and spams the shit out of the thread for a LOT of the time, behind the scenes he actually gathers good info and stays under the radar regardless of his role. That same thing makes him a very annoying and very deadly player if he is blue/red. When he is green its just annoying. Looking at just statistics there is a 1/4 chance that the DT will check a mafia with his first check. The odds of getting someone are 1/4 thinking you are blind guessing. There are some players who come out obviously town aligned as well as other situations that dumb that number down. MM was already under suspicion for some other reasons from some other people. I guess Chez opted to check him out. I would also like to know how you think this play would benefit the mafia in any way if Chezinu really is mafia. I mean at most we kill MM then kill Chezinu when he flips green. Your plan is thrown off by a day and we kind of lean on trusting you I suppose. Chezinu tried saying MM was mafia covertly but the way he acts make most people not listen to him when he talks. For anyone who can't remember what he does, he role claims basically every role, accuses almost everyone of being mafia and threatens to kill almost everyone while preaching some random shit about being Brown. Right now, mafia are scared shitless. I managed to convince the town that I'm legit and that I have a plan to break them. And they know by my constant insistence on this plan, I ain't bullshitting them, I'm shooting straight. So they're scrambling. Who the fuck have you convinced really? You have never really mentioned this plan except referenced a game WITH A DIFFERENT RULE AND ROLE SET. Yeah, your insisting on some plan that might as well not exist in the way you have verbalized it. They have at least one intelligent player on their squad who realizes sacrificing one mafia for the greater good won't alter their KP. So they take MikeyMoo, a player who people had been slightly suspicious of, and they sacrifice him. He's obviously not the GF. They now have Chezinu, who might be the GF covering himself as a DT, and who has been acting arbitrarily all game long, claim that he is a DT and out of nowhere has a guilty. It fits Chez's profile no matter what he draws - he plays like a jackass. He will get the town to lynch Mikeymoo. Mikey will flip mafia. People will buy into "Woo! Chez is DT." Knowing this site's whole "FOLLOW THE PR LOLZ" mentality in the games, they will either a) manipulate his results to push mislynches and kill their cleared or b) get a town circle "established" and have a full list. BTW, I said my plan would come as soon as I got my confirmed DT check. Without it, my plan is null. Where to start here? Alright got it. Lets start and the whole Chezinu faking DT part. WHY THE FUCK WOULD THEY DO THAT? Here is what would happen 1. Chezinu fakes DT kills one of his own. The real DT which most people agreed HAS to be in the game goes "wtf? 2 DT's? Bullshit." and checks Chezinu. Then probably just role claims in the thread and gets Chezinu killed. Then we have two solid lynches in a row. But yeah you are right. In this entire situation they lost no KP, only 2/3rds of their mafia. This makes perfect sense. The entire concept of chezinu forming town circle and them getting a complete role list is insane. Everything in that last paragraph is the perfect scenario from a mission impossible movie. Because the chances of EVERYTHING fucking happening EXACTLY like that are so absurdly low its not even funny. But hey, way to most likely out yourself as well. This shit just keeps getting dumber and dumber. I feel like we are battling a mafia strait off a short bus. | ||
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And yes I get chez could just be trying to earn trust by killing one of his own, but that seems highly unlikely. Even if that is the case though, if we do indeed have a DT (which apparently is assumed we do?) it will most likely check Chezinu the next possible opportunity and if we see a dead DT pop up the next night we can kill Chezinu to be safe. I don't really see any reason not to go with it. We essentially put ourselves off until day 4 to kill a mafia if Chezinu isn't lying. | ||
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On January 09 2010 05:45 L wrote: Zato, I thought you were Vig from those PMs, hence my reply to RoL's insinuation that he was going to vigi someone. Guess i'm bad at reading. lolol if you read that post I actually say I want to lynch someone, hit someone, and Vigi someone. I was joking around with Chezinu since when you PM with him he is likely to claim every single role while also telling you not to kill him among other shit. | ||
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The reason I could see Chezinu role claiming is this. We all know his play style, half the people won't even read his PM's/posts because of the way he posts shit is annoying sometimes. He says hes a billion roles and accuses everyone he talks to in order to try to get a read. On this same note a DT is supposed to try and tell the town about a check in a very subtle way like pointing at a bunch of other reasons why Mikey could be mafia (which Chezinu did a few pages back but got ignored) then he had no choice and role called. He could of waited a night and tried finding a mouth to speak through but maybe he was afraid of dying for some other reasons or just didn't think to look for a mouth. Either way here we are. Now why I think we should lynch MikeyMoo and not Chezinu is this. We saw Judge's crazy defense of mikey that involved an unrealistic scenario happening. It felt like a mafia trying to save a friend from dying. If we kill Mikeymoo and hes not red we vigi Chezinu since Zato pretty much assured that he has to use his powers tonight. However if Mikey is red (which seems most likely scenario) we should lynch Judge. This is mainly for Zato-1 I know you trust him because you role claimed and didn't die to him, but I think that he might of just chose to hold off on killing you in order to gain town trust and have someone whose not mafia on his side. What you did is an example of that. Simply by not killing you YET he has gotten a powerful blue role to vouch for him which makes him look better. So today we should lynch Mikeymoo and then Vigi either Judge or Chezinu based on our findings. | ||
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On January 09 2010 07:26 L wrote: nemY, sup, you're posting a lot of emotional, rather content poor posts today. what's up with that? lol why do you think everything everyone posts is filled with emotions? You sound like Dr. Phil. Nemy it doesn't make sense to vote for Judge tonight, this lynch is either going to be Mikeymoo or Chezinu. Killing Judge is something you needed to vote for yesterday instead of people voting Malongo like a bunch of retards. | ||
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Oh and I meant to also say that IF Chezinu isn't the real DT, the other one should check him asap. This is once again assuming that we actually have DT's which was said earlier is most likely scenario. | ||
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I swear to god, I really think I have seen you contribute NOTHING for the entire thread. | ||
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On January 09 2010 10:47 L wrote: I said I meant nemy in that post. 10/10 for reading comprehension. As for contribution; I've introduced every relevant topic we've talked about thus far. What have you done, by contrast? Lash out in a 6 post spree? Not even going to bother wasting time on your stupidity. ______________ 10/10 for misquoting and being a prick in general. You didn't make it clear if you meant the post above the one you quoted or the quote inside the quote. Okay, recap time: Recap time: Day 1: Judge claimed. I told him he was retarded for doing so. RoL/Ace led a charge to get Judge killed. I did not agree with killing him, and we ended up killing malongo because we couldn't switch votes to someone else. During day 1, Judge told me what was supposed to happen today and tomorrow, and I'll be honest; the plan doesn't have holes in it beyond the standard "someone didn't listen" which is what happened. We can run it tomorrow, but if chez really is the DT, I don't think he'll listen to it. Worst case scenario, we trade the DT for the godfather, best case scenario, we probably win the game. Granted judge's prior comments about how powerful a dt/medic combo would be in this format without a roleblocker, I can actually see him attempting to make this trade. That said, there's a slight modification of his plan which removes the possibility of a trade, which I would have presented during the day when it was revealed. RoL and Ace vote Judge, others vote malongo to stop judge from getting killed. An option to switch the kill target is given and passed on. Malongo dies, is green as most assumed. I swear to fucking god if I have to ask this one more time I am just going to spam your inbox until I get a response I deem acceptable. How does checking Judge prove anything? There is a godfather in the game. Do I need to say this again? Checking Judge can show us anything, most likely a Vet or Medic yet you insist on wasting our valuable checks on it? We said in thread before night how it wasn't a good idea to check judge for those reasons yet you and Judge kept going on about confirming Judge which just never got explained. GIVE ME FUCKING ANSWERS. Oh and just a quick thing about the hit on HoE. I feel like that was done to draw the least suspicion to anyone. Why would ANYONE hit HoE? He isn't particularly good nor was he really looking like a blue. The only reason I can see to hit HoE is either a misread on a blue or to just try to create as little controversy between players. Imagine if me or Ace died last night the two people who were attacking Judge/L and their plan so much. They would be under scrutiny. But what did HoE really do? Look at his posts above. He didn't really do or say much of anything. | ||
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If you guys could just give me that there would not be an issue. | ||
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On January 09 2010 14:30 Ace wrote: Because Judge can't be confirmed. They've been giving us this runaround for 2 days and get upset when we ask for it and we're the ones being labeled as irrational. I'll try and make a post before I get out of here tonight, but Chez should definitely be lynched first unless we all come to the consensus MM is definitely scum. At this point it's one guy's word against the other and Chez's play before he claimed was scummy. And like I said before if he didn't do that I would have believed him. As for Judge being town I still don't believe that. Zato-1 on the other hand I do believe. I would go with what you said except for one thing. I believe killing mikeymoo gives us a better vigi candidate. While if we lynch Chezinu we only learn to either A. Vigi MM or B. Vigi someone else? If we kill MM first and hes not mafia then we know killing chez gives us scum, if MM is mafia then we should hit either L or Judge. Judge posts how MM probably is mafia but we should kill Chezinu because its some evil plan from mafia to infiltrate using Chezinu as decoy. Summary, Lynch Chez we either don't know who to vigi or we vigi MM. Lynch MM first we either kill Chez or Judge. Doesn't matter either way. Hey judge you can even confirm yourself this way too! If we have Zato hit you and you protect yourself his hit won't go through! | ||
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On January 08 2010 16:44 vx70GTOJudgexv wrote: Chezinu, you are a fucking idiot. WILL THE DT WHO CHECKED ME PLEASE CONFIRM WITH ME VIA PM. CONFIRM WITH YOUR INVESTIGATION RESULT. IF I HAVE NO CONFIRMATION WITHIN 12 HOURS, I WILL ASSUME NO DT CHECKED ME, FUCKING UP THE PLAN. If anyone believes that Chez is a DT, you are a fucking idiot. This is a clean and simple bus by mafia as a ploy to throw my plan off. Mikeymoo is probably going to be mafia. Chez is going to sacc a mafioso to attempt to gain trust. Mafia KP does not go down. Chez will start naming off innocents and just cruize mafia to victory with this. | ||
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On January 10 2010 02:24 L wrote: HEY LOOK YOU FIGURED IT OUT. Nah, the plan was pretty good if you funneled the DT confirmation through someone that was more certain to be green (me for instance, or through zato after his vigi hit goes off, for instance) it essentially pays huge dividends; the only way mafia can fake into it is by risking 2 members. If he's GF, the trade is DT for GF, which is a net plus for mafia because the other two members get off the "dt clock", so to speak, but he never even gets that option if the information is funneled elsewhere: ie through me. Pretty much everything objectively pointed to him not being a medic when he claimed day 1, which is why you should have interpreted the event as someone fake claiming medic for another purpose. Either way, today we lynch mikey unless someone comes up with something better. You forgot the second part of my post. If you can kill the DT and trade for GF you become in good shape T_T I still don't think this plan clears Judge. | ||
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On January 10 2010 14:16 L wrote: I'm not so much 'okay' with chez's thoughts, so much as I think that regardless of if he's bullshitting or not, mikey should be killed first. If mikey is mafia, we don't vig chez. If mikey is innocent, we vig chez. Even if mikey flips mafia, I don't think that clears chez. I think another DT would role claim within the next night phase if Chezinu isn't really a DT. That is why its a gambit, they can lose 2/3 mafia if there is a DT and they bull that shit. That is why I am not too worried about it in this game as I would be in other mafia games with more mafia members. | ||
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On January 11 2010 06:05 Zato-1 wrote: Okay, so. Tonight, I'm hitting Ace. Why? Here's a list of Ace's posts from the last mafia game I played, in which he was mafia: + Show Spoiler + + Show Spoiler [1] + On August 20 2009 10:54 Ace wrote: o shit wtf 5 hours passed fast + Show Spoiler [2] + On August 20 2009 10:58 Ace wrote: can someone update me on everything that happened? I skimmed and saw people suggesting to lynch me? + Show Spoiler [3] + On August 20 2009 11:03 Ace wrote: ok so Sato snitched on himself lulz Medics aren't informed of prots? :/ That sucks. Vigi shouldn't hit anyone until they are solid the person is red. + Show Spoiler [4] + On August 20 2009 11:10 Ace wrote: :/ Well enough about me, what are we doing right now? + Show Spoiler [5] + On August 20 2009 11:23 Ace wrote: That pretty much ups Zeto's innocence. If he was really anti-town I doubt he'd want to cast a spotlight on his own Mafia ally. Especially in a game this small. Other than this there aren't even any patterns yet are there? Day 1 votes don't seem too telling. + Show Spoiler [6] + On August 20 2009 11:28 Ace wrote: Why not? Just because you accused someone doesn't hold weight. It would be one thing if you accused Chezinu and the town rallied behind you but you didn't have time to lynch. Then it would have been dumb to kill him. However that didn't happen. You accused him, but no one really went with it. By killing Chezinu you lose nothing since you didn't have any support in the first place. + Show Spoiler [7] + On August 20 2009 11:33 Ace wrote: I understand what you're saying but it just doesn't seem like a big deal to me. Chezinu seemed normal :/ Either way I guess the good news is no one super valuable has been killed yet (lol sorry Chez) + Show Spoiler [8] + On August 20 2009 11:36 Ace wrote: hold on a sec. Three of you voted for Inf out of no where with barely any reasoning except that he's throwing names out. That happens every mafia game. And Foolishness voted for Inf out of no where first with no reasoning. + Show Spoiler [9] + On August 20 2009 11:39 Ace wrote: well between you, Qatol and Pyrr something isn't right 1.) You voted for Inf 2.) Qatol votes for Inf and THEN posts a reason for it 3.) Pyrr votes for inf and also posts a reason Seems odd doesn't it? Especially since you're vote came in first before any reasonings. + Show Spoiler [10] + On August 20 2009 11:47 Ace wrote: no, that was more for Foolishness. As in 2 of you had reasons, he didn't. And he voted first of all 3 of you. + Show Spoiler [11] + On August 20 2009 11:53 Ace wrote: actually no, I've been watching. I always try to play in a way that avoids innocent deaths. You guys bandwagoned Inf to death. Switching around votes randomly just makes it easier for Mafia to bandwagon. Right now you, Qatol, Pyrr, and Zato are all suspects. Wouldn't you agree? + Show Spoiler [12] + On August 20 2009 11:56 Ace wrote: also Midori too, I didn't even realize he voted. + Show Spoiler [13] + On August 20 2009 12:02 Ace wrote: The Sato thing is over and done with but it does look good for you. I'm just saying you can't go around starting bandwagons, and when they turn out wrong act like it's just an oops moment. One of you guys has to pay. @Midori: Ok be suspicious of me but I didnt get a medic killed did I. + Show Spoiler [14] + On August 20 2009 12:06 Ace wrote: Which would actually be a good Mafia defense don't you think? "I can't be Mafia, my vote didn't even change anything!" + Show Spoiler [15] + On August 20 2009 12:12 Ace wrote: Qatol if Infundibulum was a Medic how could he safely make that claim to you? He'd never know your role + Show Spoiler [16] + On August 20 2009 12:18 Ace wrote: @Vivi: How has he sacrificed his own? You guys all said Sato pretty much told on himself so how is that relevant? + Show Spoiler [17] + On August 20 2009 12:21 Ace wrote: Your kidding right? You mean I haven't just started accusing everyone of being mafia all willy nilly is more like it. I've only focused on the mistakes that I've seen this game and the fact that some of you except Foolishness won't even embrace is it is suspicious. Pyrr had a so-so defense. But you and Qatol have pretty much ignored me. + Show Spoiler [18] + On August 20 2009 12:22 Ace wrote: we've only found 1, what do you want me to do magically pull one out my hat? + Show Spoiler [19] + On August 20 2009 12:26 Ace wrote: just because you did that doesn't mean he's town aligned. + Show Spoiler [20] + On August 20 2009 12:28 Ace wrote: Ok Foolishness, you see the wagon right? Seriously man. Just look at the voting thread. + Show Spoiler [21] + On August 20 2009 12:31 Ace wrote: Yea because it's the SAME people that got it wrong the first time. You mean to tell me you guys shouldn't be looking at your little group for the answers as to where the suspicions should go? + Show Spoiler [22] + On August 20 2009 12:32 Ace wrote: and look at the shit you did now + Show Spoiler [23] + You can easily categorize all of his posts in two categories: Chaff: He talks but essentially says nothing. Posts # 1 through 6, 8, 9, 10, 14, 15, 16, 19 and 20 are of this kind. Guilt Trips: Since he's basically committed to nothing all game, he weighs down on those who have done something whenever they were wrong. Posts #7, 11, 13, 17, 18, 21, 22 and 23 are of this kind. Ace's strategy was to sit back, feign activity, and pounce on Town members whenever they made a mistake. Now, take a look at Ace's posts in the current game: + Show Spoiler + + Show Spoiler [1] + On January 05 2010 21:24 Ace wrote: I agree that killing useless players is always a sound strategy when there isn't a better idea. Of course with the what, 15 or so mafia games played so far that list isn't exactly hard to populate at the moment: 1.) vivi57 2.) nemy 3.) RebirthofLegend And if any of you remember last game with the huge fuck ups of 3 players in particular the prime candidate for most detrimental to the town is RoL. He doesn't read and is a sheep. He's easily influenced and lets his emotions get to him and rarely if ever helps the town. Last game he didn't even realize he was being manipulated until the very end. Vivi57 and nemy, well you guys already know how terrible both of them are. It's just that RoL is far worse than either of them. + Show Spoiler [2] + On January 06 2010 02:25 Ace wrote: I actually think it was a rather bad move. It's an 11 player game with 3 Mafia that have a grand total of 1 KP: why in the world would there be 2 medics? This pretty much means judge is if innocent going to die Night 1 as there is 0 protection available if he really is a Medic. The only other circumstances come down to him being Mafia false role claiming Day 1, or he's the Vet hoping to absorb a hit. Either way I don't believe he's truly a medic because any real medic wouldn't have role claimed Day 1 in this format. + Show Spoiler [3] + On January 06 2010 10:43 Ace wrote: First of all one thing I need to make clear: I've seen medics openly claim Day 1 before in similar formats and almost every single time they end in disaster and the town loses. Now before I go into specifics of why, Judge I know you've played on Mafiascum. Assuming they are pretty good over there you've probably seen a lot of possibilities for broken cop/medic claims that is doable in this game. That's the ONLY thing that makes me even remotely think you can be a legit medic. If that wasn't possible I'd just call for your lynch. The reasoning that Mafia wouldn't fake claim a medic because it offers little gain is moot - everyone would come to the same reasoning you just did (logically) and agree the medic is obviously real because no mafia would sac himself. Which is wrong. Mafia KP is always 1. If we all come to that logical conclusion we in fact now have a Mafia who gained something for nothing because everyone thinks it's so stupid why would they do it. Now the other reason Medic role claims end in disaster is that if you're lying the real medic doesn't know if you're a Vet false claiming or a Mafia in disguise. Regardless they won't talk to you, the cop can't do anything once he RCs you if you aren't a Medic and you will most certainly be dead soon. I think Scamp said it pretty well earlier: This is a guessing game, but now it's no longer a blind guessing game from the Mafia side but a potential shot of information they shouldn't have this early. If you're gambit fails and you are really the medic and you die tonight, the game is going to be ridiculously hard for the town. You've got experience. You SHOULD know that with you not being able to be confirmed through medic protections we have no incentive to believe you at all. I'm inclined to say you're move is very anti-town at the moment. + Show Spoiler [4] + On January 06 2010 10:46 Ace wrote: I agree, except how do you know they are town? :/ Also remember we've seen plenty of times where Townies themselves contributed to the deception and cluster fuck of the game (see RoL in any game he plays). + Show Spoiler [5] + On January 07 2010 04:15 Ace wrote: I actually forgot about the VI thing. You really just sucked last game ^_^ + Show Spoiler [6] + On January 07 2010 04:25 Ace wrote: I understand what you're trying to do it but it's not concrete enough. Judge is far more suspicious than Malongo posting about how he randomly thinks RoL is scummy. + Show Spoiler [7] + On January 07 2010 04:35 Ace wrote: BTW - Judge is mafia, calling it now. + Show Spoiler [8] + On January 07 2010 05:55 Ace wrote: Well I'm going to keep my vote on him because my standard policy for standard games still applies here: lynch Day 1 roleclaimers unless they have some serious proof or compelling argument. Look at what Judge has just done. Hey I'm a Medic! this can't be proven or disproved by anyone I have a plan, trust me! why are we putting blind faith in him? So because he MIGHT be a blue we shouldn't lynch him? That argument happens every game and I'm pretty sure we can all agree it's a useless platform to go on. I said at the end of last mini mafia that anyone role claiming medic is destined to die. The Medic role generally wants to avoid getting hit even if he can protect himself. However he/she does it is whatever, but trying to attract fire would be unwise. Hence, Judge definitely is NOT a medic. No one has ever gotten a free pass for role claiming on Day 1 and those were almost always Detective claims. So why are we letting a Medic claim go? + Show Spoiler [9] + On January 07 2010 06:25 Ace wrote: what exceptional information? I really want to know this. + Show Spoiler [10] + On January 07 2010 06:31 Ace wrote: I actually don't even care what his plan is. The fact that he has a plan and hasn't said a word about it speaks volumes. This is an 11 player game - what plan does he really have that's so fragile but powerful that it needs to be stated on Day 2 instead of Day 1? How does that help the town? Secondly Townies shouldn't lie. Which means that if Judge is town he HAS TO BE A MEDIC. But in my last post I outlined that there is no possible way Judge can be a medic. Which means HE IS LYING. I'm not going through this "he might be blue" shit again. I've said in countless games I really don't give a shit about not lynching someone solely because they might have a power role. If you make a big gamble and you make a mistake you deserve to be at the center of the lynch discussion. + Show Spoiler [11] + On January 07 2010 07:07 Ace wrote: Zato that would be a really odd mistake wouldn't it? Judge has experience playing Mafia on this site and another. If he never made that post I would have been fine with a no lynch for today. + Show Spoiler [12] + On January 07 2010 07:35 Ace wrote: If he does have a plan there isn't any reason to wait an entire Day to tell us. This is really one of the big signs painting him as Mafia to me. There is no reason to hold back. Secondly we do not know if he's telling the truth because we can't confirm it. This is the same thing we go through every game where for some reason people assume someone must be telling the truth IF they have a plan. When? In most of our games townies that lied have led to great disasters. Townies shouldn't be trying to lie to deceive anyone because hey - thats exactly what the Mafia are doing! And using your last sentences if Judge is a Medic then WHY WOULD HE BE WANTING TO GET HIT. Because he isn't a Medic. Did the last game have this rule set? I don't think so. When I claimed DT last game I was essentially invulnerable except for the Mafia having the option of switching BGs. This game has no Mayor/Pardoners so that's out of the window. There is nothing to be gained from anyone claiming to be a Medic on Day 1. Ever. Chances are he's Vet or Mafia. That's it. Doesn't even matter if he's plain red or GF. If he's red and he gets checked by the DT that means by Day 2 the DT is immediately outed in a game where the Mafia KP doesn't change based on Judge dying. As for any other candidates no one else is even near as suspicious as Judge. Somehow Malongo is being talked about based on 1 post he threw out there when Judge has several and SHOULD be talked about even more. Where the hell is everyone else playing this game? + Show Spoiler [13] + On January 07 2010 07:37 Ace wrote: no I'm lynching him because I think he is Mafia. I was using the way he was playing as an argument for why I think he indeed is Mafia ^_^ And yes I'm strongly opposed to Day 1 role claims in most formats. + Show Spoiler [14] + On January 07 2010 08:59 Ace wrote: Last game I could be invincible. What are you talking about? lol have you forgotten already? It doesn't matter if you think he's a GF. The point is no one claims medic on Day 1. It's seriously a dumb move. It's like 4 pooling on an island map. There is nothing to gain. And this hey let's wait and see his plan along with this I can't tell you guys what my plan is mentality is screaming Mafia. And to top it all off now we want to lynch Malongo based on nothing? lol right. You guys are making PERFECT sense here. Answer me on how we are going to confirm judge is a medic. + Show Spoiler [15] + On January 07 2010 09:17 Ace wrote: Interesting. So Malongo who was fucking randomly plucked out of no where for doing nothing wrong is all of a sudden about to die? Really smart guys. Just look at that wagon go. + Show Spoiler [16] + On January 07 2010 09:23 Ace wrote: you must be a salesman in real life + Show Spoiler [17] + On January 07 2010 09:43 Ace wrote: Judge I always try to stop the town from killing people with random bandwagons. That's not a scum tell that's an ACE tell. That's probably the one trait that you can find I do consistently every game. Oh and argue with RoL too. + Show Spoiler [18] + On January 07 2010 09:45 Ace wrote: Does him being blue even matter? He hasn't done anything suspicious at all. And I don't have an argument for anyone else. Seriously Judge is the only person that seems suspect to me. + Show Spoiler [19] + On January 07 2010 09:46 Ace wrote: why would I want RoL killed again? How is him echoing me even relevant? :/ + Show Spoiler [20] + On January 07 2010 09:49 Ace wrote: how is stopping a bandwagon anti-town? You'll have to explain that one to me. I've done it every game regardless of what role I've had so you can't call it a tell. The second part was sarcasm. L I'm not switching to RoL unless there's a really convincing argument. + Show Spoiler [21] + On January 07 2010 09:52 Ace wrote: I can see just fine. Someone claims to be a Medic Day 1 and I'm supposed to just sit back and be like omg fine! Right Judge. Right ^_^ + Show Spoiler [22] + On January 07 2010 09:55 Ace wrote: @L: The only person I'd want to see die is Judge. @Judge: You forgot the other part: Is a townie trying to stop the town from lynching a player with no cause. You can read the game where I think BC almost got MikeyMoo lynched and I stuck my neck out to save him. Both of us were innocent. + Show Spoiler [23] + On January 07 2010 10:01 Ace wrote: indeed L. Except I didn't pick because neither of them seem more fishy to me than Judge. + Show Spoiler [24] + On January 07 2010 10:02 Ace wrote: I've done it more than once. I do it ALL THE TIME. If you want we can pause the discussion and make a poll. You can also PM everyone that has played past Mafia games. They'll all tell you I stop town bandwagons from killing innocents regardless of my role. + Show Spoiler [25] + On January 07 2010 10:08 Ace wrote: But you made it sound earlier that defending innocents is a Mafia trait when I just proved to you that it is not. Hence why I called you out on it. You can't say me defending Malongo makes one or both of us scummy. There is no hole in my logic because I already admitted I do it regardless of my role. + Show Spoiler [26] + On January 07 2010 10:14 Ace wrote: thats nice Judge. But like I've said before you shouldn't be surprised I'm not going for fake Medic claims. + Show Spoiler [27] + On January 07 2010 10:22 Ace wrote: L if you're concerned about RoL why isn't anyone else voting for him? (besides me of course) + Show Spoiler [28] + On January 07 2010 10:32 Ace wrote: That voting thread sure is something else. + Show Spoiler [29] + On January 07 2010 10:48 Ace wrote: I know L is laughing very hard right now + Show Spoiler [30] + On January 07 2010 11:45 Ace wrote: stop grasping at straws. I haven't even spoken to Chezinu all game. + Show Spoiler [31] + On January 07 2010 12:48 Ace wrote: ? are you serious? so you just flip flop voted multiple times, and now if Malongo dies and flips innocent you can say he had a chance to "save himself". lol interesting really. + Show Spoiler [32] + + Show Spoiler [33] + On January 07 2010 13:09 Ace wrote: I said this a few pages back. DT/Medic is also somewhat busted by GF roles, but only somewhat. And the reason you need DT/Medic is because without both Mafia is just going to run wild killing everyone and people will be scared to post knowing they have no protection. + Show Spoiler [34] + + Show Spoiler [35] + On January 07 2010 13:18 Ace wrote: Not at all. More like the random out of the blue bandwagon that you guys put on Malongo was the wrong call. + Show Spoiler [36] + On January 07 2010 13:25 Ace wrote: I don't. 5 out of 12 possible votes and not one of them Mafia? I highly doubt it. Either way I'm going to start going back through this whole debacle. But right now my top suspects: Judge, obviously ^_^ Scamp and Chezinu because of the last minute voting and flip flopping Zato-1 because he was the one who proposed lynching Malongo in the midst of the Judge debacle + Show Spoiler [37] + On January 07 2010 13:37 Ace wrote: I'd actually rather we have had a no lynch. I was already against the Malongo band wagon from jump and since he didn't really do much his death wasn't going to reveal anything major. Well now that he's dead everyone that voted for him is rightfully going to be questioned. + Show Spoiler [38] + On January 08 2010 09:40 Ace wrote: I like how a long time before that I said killing malongo was a bandwagon move and we should have just killed Judge instead. It's ok though, if I survive tonight there's going to be hell on Day 2. + Show Spoiler [39] + On January 08 2010 10:14 Ace wrote: The bandwagon at Judge was very justified: A guy claiming medic on day with a "wait and let me live" approach vs a guy who got one of his posts randomly plucked out of no where and accused. Yes, the votes against Judge were so unjustified. Either way Day 2 someone is going to have to answer some tough questions. + Show Spoiler [40] + On January 08 2010 10:28 Ace wrote: I didn't want to lynch you. L said because you're a bad player you should be lynched. I said because Judge was lying and because he made a bad play he should be lynched. They both kept their votes on Malongo. L said I should switch my votes to you and I flat out told him that wasn't going to happen. The game I claimed DT L said it was a terrible play. Judge claims Medic Day 1 and L says no, no way a Mafia would do that. Seriously L, why the double standard? + Show Spoiler [41] + On January 08 2010 11:31 Ace wrote: What town plan? You mean the one after I died that everyone conveniently decided not to follow? There wasn't a town plan unless you mean the stupidity you tried to sell the town on. And I didn't want everyone to claim to me. I asked for BG information which when I died made sense. Judge's request of don't kill him shouldn't be held in higher regards than anyone else begging not to die (see Malongo). So you're wrong on what I did last game and you still haven't even given good reasoning as to why Judge should have been blindly trusted in the first place. But it's ok, all this pales in comparison to what Zato-1 is going to go through. + Show Spoiler [42] + On January 08 2010 12:04 Ace wrote: more leadership? lol nice I didn't even know I was a leader yet. The 5 of you that voted malongo off are all top suspects. Especially when ya know, you were the one who started the bs bandwagon and the others hopped on to it with lame excuses. + Show Spoiler [43] + On January 08 2010 20:51 Ace wrote: this is all interesting. I guess tomorrow I'll have to make a long post about Zato-1, Judge, MM and Chezinu. However at this point Chez I'm pretty sure you know you're like, almost guaranteed a lynch (seriously after seeing judge RC the first day and take shit, you'd have to AT LEAST be able to find a way to convince people). Also the other reason I don't really believe you is because on the Day 1 vote you flip flopped so many times that you came off as Mafia. Seriously, why would you flip flop if you wanted to save Malongo or Judge? Just abstain if that's the case. And yea I read your PM Chezinu, but I'm not helping you get MikeyMoo killed unless you really flip DT. Either way it's really funny how every single time someone is "on the radar" ANOTHER person comes from left field with some new info and knocks shit out of whack. After the Chezinu/MM debacle is cleared up we'll move on to past transgressions. + Show Spoiler [44] + On January 08 2010 21:21 Ace wrote: WHY DID YOU ROLECLAIM!? + Show Spoiler [45] + On January 08 2010 22:04 Ace wrote: Yea I was (still am) outraged at you. But there was no need to role claim. I mean seriously, is everyone going to roleclaim now when we have a GF in the game? Come on man, you just saw Chez and his nonsense. I don't even think you would have gotten put on the chopping block today since chez just pulled that stunt and that path gives us a faster way to finding Mafia. + Show Spoiler [46] + On January 08 2010 22:06 Ace wrote: how many times do I have to tell you if you didn't pull that stupid voting stunt on Day 1 I would have been more inclined to believe you? You said you didn't want to kill Judge or Malongo, told them to save themselves yet kept your vote flip flopping instead of simply abstaining. If you saw someone do that do you honestly think you'd believe they were legit? + Show Spoiler [47] + On January 09 2010 05:07 Ace wrote: Vigi isn't exactly easy to confirm, check the rules ^_^ But either way it only looks bad because Chezinu DT claimed first. No point in mass roleclaims on the Second Day of the game when there isn't even anything to panic about. + Show Spoiler [48] + On January 09 2010 14:30 Ace wrote: Because Judge can't be confirmed. They've been giving us this runaround for 2 days and get upset when we ask for it and we're the ones being labeled as irrational. I'll try and make a post before I get out of here tonight, but Chez should definitely be lynched first unless we all come to the consensus MM is definitely scum. At this point it's one guy's word against the other and Chez's play before he claimed was scummy. And like I said before if he didn't do that I would have believed him. As for Judge being town I still don't believe that. Zato-1 on the other hand I do believe. + Show Spoiler [49] + On January 09 2010 14:35 Ace wrote: I'm active enough? Seriously though I've been in meetings and shit. And tomorrow from 12-9 ET (cringe) I'll be tutoring kids. Hopefully they let me use the internet. + Show Spoiler [50] + On January 09 2010 14:40 Ace wrote: You've told me I'm Mafia about 7 times already. But you can keep screaming it for your own pleasure ^_^ + Show Spoiler [51] + On January 09 2010 15:53 Ace wrote: Ok I understand why you're for killing MM...but how does that confirm Judge or even L? + Show Spoiler [52] + On January 09 2010 20:30 Ace wrote: Oh...oh my god! Brilliant! Surely the DT wouldn't think that the fact you purposely claimed Medic to draw an investigation to yourself and a GF isn't in the game you'd never even attempt to pull a stunt! So basically like I said the instant you "came up with such a brilliant plan" you were just lying and wasting everyone's time. Yeah, that's a lot of posts alright. But, I've done some work and categorized them for you again: Chaff posts where he makes comments and maybe triest to set a mood or give an idea of his thoughts: Posts #1 through 7, 9, 10, 11, 12, 14, 16, 17, 19, 20, 21, 22, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 35, 40, 41, 44, 45, 46, 47, 49, 50, 51 and 52. Posts with content: Posts #34, 36, 37, 38, 42 and 43 are essentially guilt trips; someone did a mistake, and he's calling them out on it. Posts #8, 13, 15, 18, 23 and 39 are posts in which he justifies attempts to lynch Judge for his day 1 roleclaiming. Now for the analysis: - There's nothing suspicious about making Chaff posts. Everyone makes them, some more than others. - Guilt Trip posts are of a different kind; when the Town makes a mistake, instead of trying to pick up the broken pieces and move on to the next course of action, Ace focuses on kicking the parties responsible for the mistake while they're down. This is done to lower Town morale and attempt to make Town players bitter, and recriminate themselves about who's responsible for what- while he sits back and watches. - His posts against Judge are probably just the fact that his dislike for day 1 roleclaiming happened to coincide with a daring Town initiative for getting organized. Two birds with one stone there (personal satisfaction & lynching a potential Town organizer), and he can just blame his zeal against day 1 roleclaiming for persecuting Judge. - What seems to be the connecting trend between Ace's posts? The only thing he's actually committed to, was persecuting Judge, and for a pretty bad reason at that ("I think he's lying about being a Medic, so he has to be mafia"). Other than that, he's content to sit back, make a lot of posts with little substance, and punish Town members when they make a wrong call. Does this seem like a game-winning plan for Town to you? 'cause it looks a lot more like a mafia trying to sow dissent among the Town while appearing to be active, to me. For this reason, tonight I am going to kill Ace. I have actually thought this for a while. I hope you are right. I thought the GF was either L, Ace, or Judge. Which is why I thought Judge was a good target for Day 1, it made things a lot less confusing down the road. | ||
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On January 11 2010 06:06 L wrote: I'm not posting 'just enough' to be active and town-aligned, I'm the most prolific poster in this game, and I'm driving a huge amount of content. When Chez was originally set up as the fall guy for the claims, I drove to push his target to get killed. I kept judge alive day one because I knew what he was doing. I called out Ace, did most of the analysis on the judge claim, asked questions NO ONE asked prior to me; Why was no one talking about judge's claim prior to my 'why are you guys not talking about it?!' Why was no one talking about Heavonerth's selection for the mafia hit? Why was no one talking about lynch targets day 1. I'll tell you why no one was talking about it; because there are a few consistent posters that posted prior to me opening up the discussions that simply didn't want to talk about said subjects. If there's an active godfather this game, he's likely in that group. I mean, what exactly has anyone else done that puts them above that threshold? I can see a case being made for putting chez on the list given mikey's death, and no one else, really. Get the fuck off yourself, holy shit. You are not that fucking important. | ||
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On January 11 2010 12:34 vx70GTOJudgexv wrote: Lol, just because you suck as much as Ace, doesn't mean you have to get in a hissy fit. Judge, it has nothing to do with that. L is just so arrogant and never really does anything significant. He acts like no one was going to talk about Judge claiming until he mentioned it, it was obviously going to be a topic of conversation on day one. The day one lynch was discussed you guys ended up killing malongo for some retarded reason instead of you Judge which would of made shit a lot less confusing. | ||
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If Ace is GF games most likely over in a day. | ||
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On January 11 2010 14:44 Chezinu wrote: So do you guys want to guess my role? Village Idiot? | ||
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On January 11 2010 15:38 L wrote: Well, that does indeed explain everything. RoL I'm surprised you didn't realize we were going to kill him given that you knew he wasn't a medic because of your role. I figured you would aim for Chezinu until he found NemY then it seemed less of a priority. He still could of been GF although I was leaving towards Ace. I knew he wasn't medic and I generally associate lying to mafia. His plan also seemed stupid with a GF role. | ||
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On January 11 2010 15:39 L wrote: Ace, I gave you the opportunity to wagon the medic. Don't say I don't love you. haha that made me think you were mafia when you pulled that shit. Because I told Judge to see how he would respond then you started attacking me randomly and I figured that was you and Judge working together which seemed mafiaish. | ||
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Why did you guys hit HoE night one? That seemed like a really strange decision. You had plenty more good hits in you. But Judge the main reason your plan didn't work was because of the GF. There is literally no reason to check you as the DT, whatever he gets back won't be mafia no matter what. It could be argued that you could hide a normal mafia by doing this plan (since he won't get checked anyway) which would be an epic move. I was not only against your plan because I was the medic, but it was because your plan hinged on the DT checking you which just wasn't going to happen. Even if he sees green it doesn't matter, you could still be the GF. But yes you could suicide and prove your true allegiance but what would that really accomplish? Oh and Ace, I think lynching Judge would of actually benefited the town more. A lot of people were still very skeptical about Judge and his plan could not take effect because the DT wouldn't do as he wanted because the GF mechanic made it seem pointless. If Judge died it would of made me suspect either you or L as the GF. The way you were posting was suspicious because I saw the same thing Zato did (I didn't research it nearly as well as he did. Amazing job.) and L was just being abrasive again and is hard to read because he always plays the same. Judge being alive left too many possibilities and if he died instead of Malongo it would of cleared a lot up for me at least. The plan ended up not working though, just as Ace said. We won because of Chez's checks and behavior analysis and Zato's amazing GF analysis. I don't think Malongo not killing himself was a big deal. The only reason Malongo's play MAY have fucked you is simply because you all ended up on the same list which wasn't even that suspicious considering we thought that Judge might of been mafia which meant the people on the Malongo list were more suspect then those on the Judge list. Except obviously to Judge who knew who he was looking at. | ||
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On January 11 2010 18:59 Incognito wrote: I don't think you need to ask that after protecting YOURSELF twice in a row :D Fuck that, self preservation. You gave me an immortal role. The fact I didn't role claim and laugh at everyone is impressive to myself. But yeah, no more self protection I didn't even bother to think about who to protect. I figure if I keep posting they will think I am blue or catching on to them and hit me. I didn't feel like guessing at who was going to die. I can also assure you I would of missed both protects both days. If I wasn't going to protect myself Night 1 I would of protected Ace maybe? Dunno. At that time he was being arguing to lynch Judge and wasn't attacking as many townies. Night two I would of protected Chezinu. So I figure rather then guess where the mafia were, try to trick them into hitting me. I also thought Judge was a mafia so I told him my role and taunted him figuring it would fuck with his head on whether or not to hit me or not. | ||
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Day 1 RC's are just really really fucking annoying. Especially with a GF. The plan Judge had was pretty simple, but he kept it a secret, used a role claim that was undoubtedly a lie and asked for a DT to check him. The DT had no reason to check him since GF was in the game, so it just kind of stalled the town for no reason at all. The other thing is any plan should remain simple. Simple plans that are easily understood benefit the town. Overly complex plans that hinge on too many things happening leave more room for error and make it so the mafia is able to mess with a plan more than should be possible. That's kind of about it. I think I need to do more behavioral analysis in games though when it comes to role claims and stuff and stop getting caught up so much on the move itself as how the person is acting. | ||
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On January 13 2010 04:23 L wrote: You don't gain any additional information by killing someone who's asking to be killed. You can be excused because you were the medic and obviously went a bit batshit insane early game, but Ace is a strong enough player to see why we wouldn't kill someone like that on day 1. That expectation of Ace is why a bunch of us were talking behind the scenes about killing him from midway through day 1. We never knew his plan, thus we could never know he wanted death. Plus his death would be by like Day 3 or something anyway. In Judge's case, I wanted the confusion and doubt out of the way. As I say, I view lying as a mafia ploy 99% of the time, Judge was the 1% exception. | ||
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IE GF coverage on you and Pyrr having been elected. lol@game | ||
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