TL Mafia XV

On October 21 2009 12:22 Tricode wrote:


BC? Screw that!

I Announce My Candidacy!

My experience is limited. But I promise you BC will be lynched.

My plan is to kill all the smart players. That means the mafia will eventually lose their smart people too! Trust me!

I will not be much of a leader, but I will try to focus on what the town wants and actually look for logical reasoning that isn't flawed.

This is a promise.

Remember these reasons when voting for me!

1. BloodyC0bbler will be my #1 choice for first lynch. (I do this for no logical reason, other then my own personal interests and promise to kill him someday.Though it is subject to change if a better candidate is found)

2. I will try to listen to the town as much as possible to help guide my decisions.

3. I will do my best to point out logical reasoning and flaws with what is being said. So that the town doesn't just vote with little reasoning.

4. I like the Teenage Mutant ninja turtles and will be watching them as you vote. Donatello rules!

P.S. If I win, I promise to shout Cowabunga!

On October 21 2009 12:41 Tricode wrote:


My candidacy is legit and unflawed, how dare you!

On October 22 2009 04:39 vx70GTOJudgexv wrote:


So you think he's town, but want to lynch him?

My feeble mind betrays me - what do we gain from that?

On October 22 2009 06:47 Amber[LighT] wrote:
Knowing the people that play/set up these games after playing about 7 mafia games they probably randomly assigned roles. It's a terrible idea to assume all the vets get the mafia roles. More than typically there is a pretty even split, and more or less the veterans get the townie-aligned roles.

How do you gauge who's a "veteran" anyway?

On October 22 2009 07:00 redtooth wrote:
well i have to agree with you to a certain extent but i had no suspicions of tricode until that post. that single post had red flags all over and i just found more as i analyzed it deeper.

On October 22 2009 07:09 redtooth wrote:
eh but those are the two reasons why we should lynch?

i propose that our planned Day 2 lynch (for incognito's DT plan) be tricode.

On October 22 2009 07:18 redtooth wrote:
tricode is not one of the "vets". L and BC can afford to goof off and do whatever. look at Ace's platform: it's shit but it's better than tricode's long platform post. there is a chance that BC, L, and Ace are mafia but there is no chance that they are stupid townies. on the other hand, killing tricode is a win-win situation.

On October 22 2009 07:21 dreamflower wrote:


How so? The point of continuing to run these games of Mafia is to have people learn how to play better, and plenty of people do get better and better as they understand the rules and learn to distinguish behavior better. Qatol told me he was "absolutely horrible" in his first game, and now he's considered one of the best players here.

Unless you mean players who are labeled "bad" will always be labeled "bad," in which case I totally agree. It's hard to get rid of a label like that, unless you play spectacularly well in a game or consistently well in multiple games. Especially if a well-known player like Ace or L attaches the "bad player" label to you.

On October 22 2009 07:23 redtooth wrote:
also, this is absolutely wrong. i don't remember tricode's standard behavior but it seems to be the general consensus that he's a very bad player. he also doesn't seem to be taking the game very seriously at the moment so we can't rely on any drastic improvements from him. Ace, L, BC have established their usefulness in whenever they were green.

On October 22 2009 07:39 dreamflower wrote:


I am serious when it comes to people being labeled as "good" and "bad" like that. I apologize if this is frightening for you. "Good" players can play quite badly and "bad" players can play well, so labeling someone like that and sticking by it forever seems ill-advised. And I thought it was ironic that Foolishness made that post, having been labeled a "bad" player by Ace in the past.

I'm neither defending or advocating Tricode's lynch, but I'm puzzled as to why people seem to have latched onto that. Especially since the issue at hand right now should be the Mayor elections. I would definitely like to see a little more from the candidates than "*yawn* *runs for Mayor* *goes back to sleep*".

On October 22 2009 09:04 HeavOnEarth wrote:
note that motbob voted ace and is still inactive in the thread..

On October 22 2009 09:38 SugiuraMidori wrote:
Shikyo isn't acting like his normally green self, he must be mafia.

Now I must eat dinner, I await your responses my dear Shikyo~

On October 22 2009 10:49 Tricode wrote:


what do you mean pick a person? I already gave my suggestion in who should be lynched. Unless you have a different meaning.

Group? what are you talking about?

Why is killing terrible players not a bad suggestion? You have no right to decide that.
You gave your suggestion "me"

and some people decided to bandwagon while stating "Oh i don't remember Tricodes behavior or him much" 'so let's trust 'L' and lynch him cause he must be bad, since L said so'

Don't you find that kinda weird?

On October 22 2009 10:59 Tricode wrote:
Look, it's a bad idea, cause it is hard to judge who is bad. Yeah there are people who can screw up, and misinterpret things. But does that make them bad?

How do you clarify a bad player?

My definition would be : A person who never tries. Goofs off no matter what happens. Doesn't really play, and is normally inactive for many games.'

If you agree with my definition, can you honestly say I fit any of those descriptions to the 'T'. Also how many people would agree with you if you do believe i fit those descriptions?

This is a waste of time.

On October 22 2009 11:06 Tricode wrote:
Going by your definition, anyone who has been involved in this stupid argument with me and L, would fit your definition.

So thus i suggest we drop L's stupid idea and look at the tards who tried to bandwagon with it with out proof or reasoning.

On October 22 2009 11:07 Incognito wrote:
DT Medic Lists:

Some people are suggesting a single DT medic list. This way, the DTs could check the prime players while at the same time the Medics deterred hits on them. The DTs would also deter the hits somewhat because dead RCed people = more info for town, as I've said. However, the point of the original medic list was that the people on the list would be under heavy scrutiny and that DT checks on them would be wasteful in the long run (correct me if I'm wrong?).

Which leads us to the two separate lists idea. We could cover more people since the mafia would not want to hit either the medic list or the potentially RCed people list. For this list though, we would rotate the people on the list to cover more people. Perhaps beginning with a 2-3 person list and replacing one member with a new player every day. This way, the mafia don't know if the person who was removed from the list was checked the night before, giving us a growing list of dangerous players to hit. Obviously the mafia would eventually either have to hit the potentially RCed players or the DTs if they get lucky/can blue snipe. But I think that overall this increases our early game chances for both survival and organization, both of which are key.

Thoughts?

On October 22 2009 11:52 vx70GTOJudgexv wrote:


I'm gonna explain a concept here that needs to be addressed.

Wine In Front of Me (hereon out referred to as "WIFOM").

It's a bad, garbage defense that you should not use, because it's really scummy. It's basically saying "I can't be mafia now, because if I was mafia, I would do the opposite." It's a terrible defense because it's real easy to say one thing and do another. Thus this defense has as many holes as swiss cheese.

On October 22 2009 12:17 Qatol wrote:

Yep here you go:
LTT, Chuiu, Shikyo, Fakesteve

On October 22 2009 12:20 Tricode wrote:
L, can we consider people who have very minimal post like 3 and under to be near inactive range?

On October 22 2009 18:13 Ace wrote:
As for those of you thinking mafia usually just sit back and let shit happen - lol. That only works when the town is doing enough to kill themselves for you. Last time I was on the Mafia side I was actively planning out scenarios with Pyrr so we could stay a step ahead.

Don't kill active, contributing players. Even if you think Tricode is worthless right now with no clues to go on killing actives will hurt even more at this point.

Foolishness really is bad, and so is Shikyo based on that other game with JeeJee (lol). No one in their right mind would count the smurf game as credible to someone playing well since that entire game was a big cluster fuck of nonsense and half the people not even really trying.

On October 22 2009 23:27 Ace wrote:


huh? whats that? pulling random games I don't even remember out of your ass to try and sound credible? It's ok, you're bad. You'll get better eventually when you stop doing things like reading posts by guys named Foolishness and especially anyone named Vivi57.

On October 23 2009 01:27 L wrote:
So, does anyone remember a game in which Scamp played the silent clueless newbie part and had a role other than mafia?

On October 23 2009 02:23 redtooth wrote:
i don't know if doing incognito's plan for two nights is a good idea. mafia games don't last too long and wasting 2 nights so DT can just figure out his sanity is not an efficient use of time. if you look back at one of my previous posts, i outline the three scenarios DT faces after the first lynch. DT should then check suspicious people and base their judgment on their present scenario (they can either correctly identify a person or determine that a person is one of the two other colors). otherwise, we waste 2+ (remember the lynches HAVE to flip two different colors for the DT to perfectly identify their sanity) nights just to have DT find out their sanity but they do not get any information because all the people they checked are now dead. DTs aren't invincible and have a high chance of dying before they can be of any use at all.

On October 23 2009 03:42 Amber[LighT] wrote:


Where's this wine you speak of and why do I not have a glass or box of?

On October 23 2009 03:46 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
Yeah L, I noticed most of the time I come up with ideas in the shower. I had this one just a little while ago. I am surprised I didn't think of it earlier, this plan is also more or less godfather proof.

So today we go ahead and mayoral kill Motbob hes an inactive and we need to do something with our lynch, it might as well be that.

The next step is for the Day 2 lynch we kill Tricode. As of now I think Tricode is either a Red or a Green. Either way this works out (However if hes a blue, hes a moron and this doesn't work so well) But I think that is a relatively low chance.

Now the DT's have checked Tricode and have gotten a result lets pretend he is Green for all intensive purposes.

Now we have the Vet's role call, I think in this game there is probably 1-2 Vet's, I can't see anymore than that. Since the mafia KP is only two, it wouldn't be worthwhile to try to kill one, especially with medics around. Lets say we get 2 Veteran's who role call and we have 2 DT's now, the next check that the DT's get they use on these role called Veteran's, with that we now know that the DT's have checked 1 Green/red in Tricode and now a Blue in the RC'd Veteran. They now have their sanity determined theoretically if it all goes well.

The Veteran's will ANNOUNCE when the DT has role called to them (since they should be more or less confirmed now) with this if a DT dies we know who to look at, so if the mafia tries pulling some fast shit they lose a member which they can't afford to do. If a DT role calls to the "Vet" and he doesn't go public before night, you tell us what you did. Chances are he is a mafia if he didn't announce that he had you role claimed.

From there we now have the Vet's and the DT's working together with sanity secured hopefully, and very little that the mafia can actually do about it except killing the DT's before any of this even happens. In the case that there is only a single Veteran the medics can be used to scare off/save that Vet. If only 1 Veteran role calls we can be almost 100% sure they are legit.

With that we can coordinate well and identify who is NOT mafia and then narrow down suspect lists.

On October 23 2009 04:02 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:

If two vet's claim we kill them both and trade off for GF. Who cares? 2 actual Vet's would be broken with 2 KP.

On October 23 2009 04:26 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:

I think if you shift medic/Vet numbers at ALL it would be imbalanced. So we can be SURE the one Vet that claims is sincere. If there are two Vets that claim we call it off and kill the Two claiming vets.

On October 23 2009 04:35 L wrote:
Not really. They would all need to claim rather early, not get lynched, not get hit prior to claiming, etc.

I really don't think we should assume that we have a certain number of a role given that they have been hidden from us on purpose. It could very well be that we have 0 vets and 2 medics as far as i can tell.

On October 23 2009 08:32 HeavOnEarth wrote:
lol i googled orange and it has no rhyme. lucky me ._.

On October 23 2009 09:59 SugiuraMidori wrote:
1. Dreamflower
2. Foolishness
3. Ace <-- Acting like a non-red Ace
4. vx70GTOJudgexv <-- Acting like the blue Judge we know from before
5. RebirthofLegend <-- Small chance of being red, however, due to the poor plan to out all the Veterans and DT's.
6. Bloodyc0bbler <-- he's being an annoying senseless post-rhymer because he has nothing else useful to do for the town and just wants to be lynched out of here.
7. Incognito
8. Amber[Light] <-- Not too bright, rare posts, not massively interested in the game?
9. Pyrrhuloxia <-- too much goofing around compared to when he's red
10. L <-- Trying to rule the world, evil man, useless arguments, mafia.
11. Tricode <-- Trying to keep himself alive because he's useful, but can't be mafia cuz they'd be slapping him around for being a douche.
12. Vivi57 <-- knew far too soon that tricode was non-red
13. Infundibulum <-- acting reasonably smart.
14. Sugiuramidori <-- Me
15. Scamp
16. Shikyo <-- Not acting anything like his previous games were he wasn't red, and also it's perhaps his turn to try being red.
17. Caller
18. Motbob <-- dead man walking
19. Redtooth
20. Heavonearth
21. Chezinu <-- On and on about his stupid brown stuff, vibe I get is he's red. (no useful posts either)

This is my first list of suspects that I have gathered from reading all the posts up till now (except for the lamers and their poetry which I refuse to read from how poor it is).
List is of course incomplete.. and blue and green are potentially swappable.

Did my best at picking out the four reds, the other people would fall as either blue or green, and I'll refine the list later.[Note]: This is what I've gathered just from reading the grammar and methods of peoples speech patterns.

On October 23 2009 16:23 SugiuraMidori wrote:


¡ɹəɥʇəƃoʇ ʞɔɐq ɯəɥʇ ʎouuɐ uɐɔ əʍ 'pooƃ sı ɥɔıɥʍ 'sdoʇs ʎɹʇəod pıdnʇs əɥʇ ‎ן‎‎ן‎ıʇ doʇs ʇ,uoʍ noʎ ʎxoɹd ʎq suɐəɯ ʇɐɥʇ 'səpısəq puɐ px sɹnoʎ dn ədʎʇ oʇ sɹɐəʎ noʎ səʞɐʇ ʇı ʇəq ı 'sıɥʇ ədʎʇ oʇ ‎ן‎‎ן‎ɐ ʇɐ əɯıʇ ou əɯ səʞɐʇ ʇı 'puıɯ ʇ,uop ı

On October 24 2009 00:20 SugiuraMidori wrote:
pəɹ sı oʎʞıɥs əıp ı ɟı ʇɐɥʇ sɐʍ 'sıuuəʇ ʎɐ‎ן‎d oʇ sɯɐəɹp ʎɯ pəpɐʌuı ɹəʌ puɐ ‎ן‎oʇɐb ɹəʇɟɐ 'ƃuıʞɐʍ ɟo əʇɐʇs snoıɔuoɔnıɯəs ɐ uı ƃuıuɹoɯ sıɥʇ pɐɥ ı uoıʇɐzı‎ן‎ɐəɹ ɐ

On October 24 2009 03:16 SugiuraMidori wrote:
Shikyo has been caught
now he is getting pissed off
that he might get lynched



(haiku's > *)

On October 24 2009 07:08 SugiuraMidori wrote:
Shikyo needs to learn
that there was a game to play
to find out his side

Shikyo I know best
so I made Shikyo my test
a circle can start

On October 24 2009 08:25 Caller wrote:

lololololol

On October 24 2009 13:31 L wrote:

Why would motbob flipping townie confirm Ace as town?

On October 24 2009 17:27 Ace wrote:
1st of all I already posted no matter who was going up for insta lynch I was going to pardon them so motbob living or dying has no bearing on me as it doesn't hold a motive for me.

2nd if the town tries to lynch motbob tomorrow I'll pardon him because I find this "bandwagon" against him really suspect. No one has any credible motive for lynching him except "lol he hasn't posted much". The same can be said about a number of players but it seems like a few of you are trying to force it. How about instead of that, we look at the people trying to force Motbob's death and check them out instead?

On October 24 2009 21:59 Ace wrote:
Not at all. Like I said I'm not in the business of killing someone just for the sake of information especially when that someone was bandwagonned into it, ie they are most likely innocent anyway. If you guys want to find lynch motbob someone will have to come up with a more convincing argument. Call me suspect if you want but I'm sure you know I really dont care as it won't go any ways towards painting me guilty or suspicious.

As for your second post I don't care if the person is blue. As long as they are more likely innocent than guilty I'd pardon them. The whole point of the Vet idea is to avoid having to lynch a player to verify our DTs.

On October 24 2009 22:10 Ace wrote:
I don't have any serious opinions about anyone right now. I'm just pretty lax, waiting on Night to pass. Pyrr has to tell me who his BGs are and also tell another player before this night is over tho. Once that's over the pain train can get started.

On October 24 2009 22:59 Ace wrote:
you mean the Vet idea? If not what is the outline for the DT check plan again?

On October 25 2009 00:42 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
Alright can someone explain what I should do with the BG names and why? This new bg mechanic is baffling.

On October 25 2009 01:37 Amber[LighT] wrote:
Obviously if you weren't elected mayor or pardoner you can't be mafia because mafia are capable of swaying the votes so they would make sure that non-mafia didn't get elected.

On October 25 2009 02:20 Ace wrote:
A 75% chance he's red or blue? Where did you come up with that number :/

You just said outlined the entire reason we don't have to kill motbob - The Vet idea. The Vet steps forward and all the DTs role check him and get confirmation. At this point there's no need to kill motbob as the DTs already have used their check for the night. Killing motbob would accomplish nothing.

Right now there is only one thing we need to focus on - Pyrr telling myself and another player who the bodyguards are. He still hasn't done it and time is running out. We need this information before Night 1 is over. Once we move to Day 2 I'll reveal the second part of my plan.

On October 25 2009 02:40 Ace wrote:
The only role we have a total for is Reds, so there isn't any way to guess any odds related to Blue or Green.

What I meant with the DTs using their checks statement is that assuming the Vet steps out before the night is over the DTs can check them out. Thats more guaranteed than guessing if motbob will die tomorrow.

If Pyrr, Myself, and a 3rd player all know the Bodyguards the Mafia can't kill all 3 of us in one night. Hence THREE people are needed so the information is never lost.

And once again I'll state if you want to lynch motbob there has to be some better reasoning presented here.

On October 25 2009 02:47 Ace wrote:
What you think is the role count is irrelevant - you don't know so your estimate is bs.

And if you think I'm fishy for winning pardoner, when you yourself just quoted the post I supposedly used to get it then don't you think it would be smarter to look at EVERYONE that voted for me instead of trying to single out motbob again? hurrrr durrrrrr?

On October 25 2009 03:16 L wrote:
First off: the vet might not claim because if there are 2 vets in the game, both of them die and we're basically fast forwarded to day 4 with no kills. This isn't a 'small' concern. Its a huge hole in the plan. If we gamble and come up short, we're in big trouble.

Second: The flip side to that is if both bodyguards are non-replacements, telling 2 additional people raises the chances that mafia learns about the bodyguards by 50%.

If you're mafia, that's perfect, because you can eliminate the bodyguards, try to say one of the other information holders was the leak and then demand medic protection like you... already did. That essentially frees you up to kill whatever other office holder there is while claiming medic protection while getting the town to waste a lynch.

Oh but wait, there's more. If you go through with doing so and drop a pardon onto whomever you decided to pin as the leak, now we're back 3 days, since we just wasted a day on the pardoned hit, the next day would be your death, and the day after that chances are we'd be forced to kill the pardoned person who might very well be innocent. 3 days is 6 mafia hits, putting us to a 7-1 trade for the play; not bad at all. If we're dumb and decide to hit the pardoned player before you, you might even get away scott free as you point towards the innocent corpse and state that you were trying to help town.

Out of everyone in the town, telling you, or you telling pyrr when you get information is the worst possible idea; Neither of you can be DT checked when they confirm their sanity state, and neither of you can be mad hattered or vig'd once exposed.

I hate to always be the negative nancy, but I'd rather not have us assume a bunch of information we don't have, then essentially get raped before even being able to play the game because of it.

On October 25 2009 03:20 L wrote:
Raped.

Also I like Ace, but think Tricode's a fucking moron. My intense hatred of his gigantic buffonery should have come through rather clear. If you want, I can probably dredge up plenty of PMs between Ace and I making fun of both him and Vivi for horrendous play in prior games if you want.

On October 25 2009 03:26 Ace wrote:
I'm gonna read both your posts after I finish watching this anime porn

On October 25 2009 07:07 Ace wrote:
Pyrr stop stalling. Send the BG names to myself and someone who has been posting a lot in the thread.

On October 25 2009 10:55 Amber[LighT] wrote:
how is he supposed to trust any of you morons anyway. You guys thought foolishness was mafia oh about 20 pages ago.

On October 25 2009 11:59 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
Oh and summary

VOTE FOR MOTBOB

Holy shit.

Edit: Or Ace, at this point I am sure either is a good choice.

On October 25 2009 12:39 Tricode wrote:
Should we take a risk of doing a double lynch in hopes to catch up on what we missed?

On October 26 2009 02:13 L wrote:
Ace keeps saying that he needs to know the bodyguards names so that he can check them. He says he needs to do so in order to find out what blue is. He points someone to the bodyguard role to chastise them, yet ignores this:
as was pointed out by RoL. If he had read the text he pointed to, he would know this.

But here's the problem. Ace wasn't told the bodyguard names by pyrr as far as we can tell, so how would he know that they're both blue?

The answer is fairly obvious: he knows how many people were subbed in. How? Well, that's pretty obvious, isn't it?

His check is on someone random and he is preventing us from going ahead with our day 1 plan to have a confirmed check, which he follows up by asking for bodyguard protection despite stating that the bodyguards are innocent.

What have we learned here: ace is mafia, and both bodyguards are innocent.

Alternate version: Ace doesn't FUCKING READ THE GODDAM RULES AND IS PLAYING LIKE A BUCKET OF ASSBALLS. :3

On October 26 2009 02:20 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:

They appear as blue unless they are red, the bodyguard role itself is a "blue" role.

On October 26 2009 04:38 L wrote:
Short version: He kills them.

On October 26 2009 05:36 redtooth wrote:
i already talked about this. this is too obvious a connection in my opinion.

First of all I already explained why the Mafia can't kill Judge assuming he's innocent. It would confirm myself and Judge's role. I'd be confirmed DT on Day 3 without the possibility of being killed.

Second of all I would check both BGs to make sure they both flip the same color. If they flip differently one is Mafia. Really simple. Both should appear "blue". As If Judge dies, whatever color he flips/role I compare it to the BGs and I know whats what. Any RC I do from then in I already know what's what.

Lastly this is no mind trick. This is a really simple plan that just means the Mafia will be dead in a few days. But your just more worried about me pulling some elaborate ruse over your eyes than reading the posts.

So Motbob must be mafia. I pardoned him for no reason? You mean the reason other than...you guys didn't have a legit reason for lynching him? I'd honestly pardon any player that you guys vote for with no good reasoning as the Mafia KP isn't high, they lose in time due to confirmed DTs and their are only 21 players in the game. I'm 100% certain I'm smarter than you and this proves it. We've killed because of inactivity on the first day because - they were inactive. Motbob was accused of being inactive, then he posted. He's no longer inactive. But then someone says "o he posted after that in another forum!" - why does it matter? Other players have BARELY posted and yet you're all still set on lynching him. That looks more suspicious than anything else.

On October 23 2009 03:55 motbob wrote:
My grandpa died and I'm helping make preparations for his funeral so I'll be super inactive until Sunday. Sorry

The Pardoner ability is never used because honestly most players that get the role have no idea how powerful it is. Like I said there's one thing in every Mafia game that is always consistent - I've never been wrong. Not once has my judgment led the town in the wrong direction. Ever. Plenty of times I've stuck my neck out to say someone is most likely innocent or there isn't enough proof based on bandwagoning and every single time I've been right. Motbob may be Mafia but we aren't going to start killing people off of hunches.

I did not decide Judge was Paramedic. That's what I got back when I role checked him. Stop making stuff up. I haven't even talked to judge privately as I rarely PM players unless I have a reason. I don't know if Judge is innocent or not. If I was playing fishy I'd have easily kept the information to myself. By making it public I put a consequence on myself or Judge dying if the Mafia kill either of us.

At this point it looks like you are trying to force my lynch by any means necessary. Looking at the posts I skimmed past it looks like a few knuckleheads are trying to go the same route. But the voting thread hasn't changed at all which means one of you is probably mafia waiting for someone else to vote so you can jump on the train. But I'll address that too. Hold on the rape train doesn't stop here.

I checked Judge on Night 1 because I didn't have any BG names and the Vet never stepped forward. Duh? Why does it matter who I checked then? You're bringing attention to something that has no bearing on my motives. If any of the 3 prime choices for checking aren't there I had to pick someone instead of you know, not using my unlimited role checks.

I've already shown no one needs to die for me to figure out their sanity. Think a little. Tonight the rest of the Detectives can all check Judge and see for themselves what color he is. I can check the BGs Nights 2 and 3. Doesn't matter what color they flip. I'll be damn near sure what sanity I am. If Judge dies thats it - game over. I know my sanity. I'll publicly post this. The other DTs will also known their sanity. Hence, Judge is protected from death. Medics can choose to save another target. We move on to the next day and the cycle repeats. No one needs to be lynched off of shitty hunches. If a DT already checked motbob fine, let them keep checking other people. If motbob is mafia we'll find out eventually. But you won't be lynching him off of non-credible hunches because some random guy said "o he's inactive!" when Scamp hasn't even posted much either.

Now as for your misreading of the rules and my plan, let me explain (I'm going to have to do this more than once). A color in quotes represents what they show up to me as, a color in CAPS represents what they really are game wise.

Judge shows up as "blue". I don't know his real role.

Bodyguards are a BLUE role.

If the bodyguards both don't flip the same color one of them is Mafia. Point blank.

I rolecheck the Bodyguards. It does not matter what color they flip. If they flip "blue" that means them and Judge all have the same role. This means either all 3 are Mafia or all 3 are legit blues.

If they flip any other color but blue and match I know it's highly possible Judge is plain green.

If they appear any color and I never see that color again in a future RC I know that both of them are Mafia. If any of the bodyguards die I know they are legit and I now know my sanity. Remember the rules say Mafia bodyguards appear as RED not BLUE. So I automatically know by not seeing what RED appears as to me ever again if they'd be legit. This isn't hard to understand.

There's no hope for you. Believe whatever you want.

Motbob wasn't inactive, stop trying that shit.

Now you're making stuff up. I never downplayed the importance of DTs figuring out their sanity. I made it very well known you won't be lynching motbob because of random accusations. So once again, you're wrong.

Durr because it was? Before Night 1 he doesn't have any idea what role I can be. Day 2 I roleclaim and publicly let everyone know who I rolechecked. This gives the possibility to know my role on 2 fronts and allows you to know if I was really Mafia I'd be an idiot for letting you know about the BG switch AND putting myself up to the magnifying glass. It was common sense that at that point you could trust me with the BG names because if both BGs are legit and ended up dying the next night then obviously who's the only person that could be Mafia? Me. Think ahead silly.

Stop your bullshit. We are right on schedule. I have no Vets and no BGs yet. Doesn't matter who I checked. There is no Vet plan as the Vet hasn't claimed. Judge isn't going to be killed either as I'll just pardon him unless someone shows some real good analysis on him.

Oh that's extremely simple really. In past games I've never revealed my role unless I had to. This game I can easily reveal my role because look at the ruleset and the circumstances:

KP of 2, I'm in office, and I can prove my sanity quickly. With the possibilty of a BG switch I had to hope to survive Night 1 so I could roleclaim Day 2. Now we're at Day 2. I roleclaim DT right? Right. Now pay attention.

If I die before any bodyguards show up dead, both BGs are Mafia. Pyrr releases the name, if he doesn't he's Mafia. Simple really. 2 Mafia or 1 Mafia dead.

I also post my Rcs publicly. If I die or they die I'm further along on my sanity and/or the town gets more information on who's really what.

So now I've put pressure on the Mafia to kill me before I find out my sanity and just have a role list and turn this into Mafia 2. They only have a KP of 2 so there isn't much damage they can do fast enough to stop me. Of course this also assumes the town is paying attention and not arguing with me and that's why we have the situation we do now.

We aren't voting just to fucking kill people for the sake of killing them. Get this through your dumb skull.

1.)Ace is Mafia. Why would he bring attention to the fact that bodyguards can be subbed in? If he was was Mafia he would have kept that aspect quiet, hoping no one believed it. He also wouldn't have run for a role and just killed 2 possible innocents in office on Night 1. Of course he didn't do this so ok his possibility of being guilty aren't as high but he's still fishy.

2.) He roleclaims DT on Day 2. He said he had a plan on Day 1 and wanted some critical information. He also supported the Vet idea. Why? If he was Mafia surely he'd want to kill the bodyguards if Pyrr gave him the info...however he publicly roleclaimed on Day 2 and posted the result of his check. Damn. No Mafia fake claiming a DT would ever do that because now he is accountable on multiple fronts. Sure it also gives him multiple ways to prove he is a legit DT via behavior but he's gotta be lying right?

3.) Shit, Ace can't be Mafia. I just realized that his rolecheck plan when I pull my head outta my ass makes perfect sense. It does add up! Also if Ace was Mafia why hasn't he tried to accuse anyone by now, or lead the town to lynch an innocent? He's playing defensive trying to preserve lives rather than kill just anyone.

4.) Ace has to be legit. Dang, lemme stop being an idiot and actually listen to him. We've ignored his advice in games before and got fucked over when he was actually innocent and gave us the keys to winning.

On October 26 2009 11:01 dreamflower wrote:
In the interest of lynching someone who isn't an elected official and has been acting suspiciously, I'd like to mention Vivi57 and Chezinu as people we could possibly agree to lynch. Both have been fairly quiet this game and, as far as I know, haven't contributed much in their posts. I specifically remember Vivi saying he wanted to vote Tricode for the first lynch, only to vote for Tricode as mayor. Then he switches at the last minute to Ace, because "he wanted Tricode as mayor, not pardoner," even though Tricode was demonstrating he was pretty clearly town-aligned at that point and a townie pardoner seems like a valuable thing to have. Instead, he joined a late vote swing to push someone else into office.

Chezinu also hasn't posted much of value, as far as I can tell. Mostly some rhymes in response to Bloodycobbler's (in which the pupil seems to have surpassed his master in terms of quality). He also made an early post stating how he was "brown" (a mix of red and green, I assume?), yet also insinuating he was the mad hatter. It seemed like he was trying to justify not posting much in the game by trying to emulate a blue or green role.

I mention this whole thing partly because I'm very hesitant to lynch any elected office so early, or even active players like Amber[light], which seems the likely outcome if everyone joins in the finger-pointing. Now that everyone's accounted for and has had time to post, I think it's better if we all agree to lynch someone acting suspicious and unhelpful (like Vivi or Chezinu) and get the detectives to rolecheck them to find out their sanity.

On October 26 2009 11:26 Ace wrote:
RoL you're an idiot. I already I would have went along with a Vet plan IF THE VET STEPPED UP. There's no need to lynch anyone just to confirm DTs. The Mafia has a shitty KP of TWO. Anyone proclaiming we need to lynch townies so the DTs can be claimed in two days is a fucking fool. Just be patient and let the Mafia bleed to death. This is exactly why you're always mentioned in the bottom rung of player tiers because you are so fucking slow. My entire plan gives ALL the DTs credibility because everytime I check someone and announce it they can check them too. Once I figure out my sanity and let everyone know, they by tuen are just about guaranteed their sanity else.

Durrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.

On October 26 2009 11:33 L wrote:

We were never lynching people just to confirm DTs. The Idea was we'd choose during the night so that the DT could check prior to the day we lynch so we save a day/night cycle.

Do you even read shit?

On October 26 2009 11:36 Ace wrote:
That idea was not chosen. The idea was Vet confirmation. RoL has been bitching because I won't allow Motbob to die. I checked Judge and reveal it and now all of a sudden it's well why didn't you say to kil Judge?

DURR. How many times do I have to tell you - no one is dying for confirmations. None. Unless there's a good argument for why someone should be lynched I'll pardon them. The Mafia have a measly KP of 2 and you're all hell bent on rolling people just because. Not happening.

On October 26 2009 09:10 motbob wrote:

You're wrong. If a team sends out a zerg, it's a 33% chance the match will be mirror if the other team sends out a random player. Thus, mirror matches "should" occur 33% of the time.

On October 27 2009 08:09 Ace wrote:
and I find it funny Shikyo is so stupid to think I'd fake Dt, so we can lynch Judge who could be mafia so I could "trick the town". Yes, I'd kill 1 of only 4 people on my team for that. Brilliant Shikyo. Epic really.

On October 27 2009 18:28 motbob wrote:
The whole rhyming thing is making this thread really hard to read TT

Wow Shikyo, you were so wrong it's ridiculous :\ thanks for accusing me of using my grandpa's death to help me in my mafia game. I won't bring this up again... let's put this shit behind us, I dunno if you have a problem with me for some reason but whatever.

Tomorrow we HAVE to lynch Chezinu. 100% we have to. I'm dead serious. He's acting exactly like last game, where he was my team's GF. I don't think he's GF (I doubt any mafia team would elect him such) but I am super super convinced that he's mafia.

Also, last game I pushed the idea that Foolishness was the town MVP pretty hard in the secret mafia forum. For this reason I am positive that one of the following is mafia: Chezinu, Pyrr, RoL. Foolishness has not done anything special enough in this game to merit a night kill and the only reason that he would be killed would be because of a good reputation from previous games. I'm convinced that only those 3 people would have the feeling that Foolishness is dangerous to mafia.

Also, I'm fairly sure SugiuraMidori is town simply on the merit of his first ordering of suspects.

On October 28 2009 11:46 Scamp wrote:


This isn't good logic at all. You need more reasoning that just that. Also, you're mafia.

More news at 5:30.

On October 28 2009 12:19 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
OMG. Why can no one follow a fucking plan. All we have as a town are a few isolated pockets of sanity like Dreamflower and myself. Then we have a bunch of cocksure loners and this game we must have five people fighting over village idiot sorry town crier is more politically correct perhaps.

On October 28 2009 12:22 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
Please, regale me with these brilliant reasons, o enlightened one.

On October 28 2009 12:22 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
Please, regale me with these brilliant reasons, o enlightened one.

On October 28 2009 12:27 Vivi57 wrote:


ruh roh

Cheating:
Cheating includes (but is not limited to) the following and will get you banned from future games:
1. Posting after death. One polite goodbye post is acceptable but please do not post anything which could POSSIBLY affect the game.
2. Betraying your role and ruining the game for everyone by doing something like hand out your mafia's member list to the town.
3. Logging on to someone else's account / checking their PMs / looking over someone's shoulder to get their role.
4. Comparing role PM times to determine roles.
5. Posting screenshots of your inbox. This is not a photoshop competition.
6. Posting any PM you receive from a host.

On October 28 2009 12:52 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
Oh i thought the vet plan was to protect the vet with medics and pass info on and organize or whatever.

On October 28 2009 13:22 SugiuraMidori wrote:
Not to spam.. but I guess I should update my list....

1. Dreamflower <-- I was right, sad though..
2. Foolishness
3. Ace
4. vx70GTOJudgexv <-- Well, I was wrong on one.. so maybe Ace knew what he was doing after all ;P
5. RebirthofLegend
6. Bloodyc0bbler
7. Incognito
8. Amber[Light]
9. Pyrrhuloxia
10. L <-- just claimed as Vet role
11. Tricode
12. Vivi57 <-- same as redtooth
13. Infundibulum
14. Sugiuramidori <-- not red (Shikyo and Chez know my role)
15. Scamp
16. Shikyo <--10% red
17. Caller
18. Motbob <-- mostly based on what others have pointed out as a probability
19. Redtooth <-- same as vivi
20. Heavonearth <-- not red
21. Chezinu

On October 28 2009 18:42 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote:


Yeah but what motbob is wondering is WHY they are both mafia. how did you arrive at such a conclusion? I don't really see it either.

On October 29 2009 11:25 SugiuraMidori wrote:


My dear Tricode, it is a well known fact, and one Qatol forgot to observe till now, that the Mayor counts for two votes.

I'm sorry Shikyo, I guess I just see you as a good player, on my level, pardon the overestimation.

On October 30 2009 01:56 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Want to live, Make more compelling arguments because well shikyo has been using chez as a mouthpiece most of the game(he rolled with it because shikyo took advantage of knowing no one would talk to the guy all game).

On October 30 2009 04:50 BloodyC0bbler wrote:


Thats typically how this game works.

On October 31 2009 12:42 BloodyC0bbler wrote:


Or i guess you can just admit your red