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On October 24 2009 22:10 Ace wrote:
I don't have any serious opinions about anyone right now. I'm just pretty lax, waiting on Night to pass. Pyrr has to tell me who his BGs are and also tell another player before this night is over tho. Once that's over the pain train can get started.
Oh I see, so you aren't really too convinced about the DT check plan, right? Is there any reason why?
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On October 24 2009 22:59 Ace wrote:
you mean the Vet idea? If not what is the outline for the DT check plan again?
I just meant the plan where we select someone to lynch now so that the DTs can check them tonight, and then we'd lynch them tomorrow. Read RoL's post on this page, I guess. Whatever we do, we need to decide it pretty fast so the DTs know what to do.
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On October 25 2009 00:42 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
Alright can someone explain what I should do with the BG names and why? This new bg mechanic is baffling.
Don't give them to mafia, remember that at least one BG is likely to be mafia, and also it might be a good idea to give the names to a person who wasn't elected in the case all the BGs were mafia and you and Ace were killed. Then you give us that player's name(the one you told to). If you and Ace die tonight or any other night the BGs are alive, that person gives us the names of the BGs and we get 2 mafia. If he's mafia and won't give names of the BGs, we kill him and get one mafia even then.
If the person you told to and announced publicly gets killed by mafia, you tell the names of BGs to another person and publicly announce his name as well.
Any complaints?
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On October 25 2009 01:37 Amber[LighT] wrote:
Obviously if you weren't elected mayor or pardoner you can't be mafia because mafia are capable of swaying the votes so they would make sure that non-mafia didn't get elected.
Are you stupid? I didn't say anywhere that they had to have been running. I'm talking about 19 people here.
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On October 25 2009 02:20 Ace wrote:
A 75% chance he's red or blue? Where did you come up with that number :/
You just said outlined the entire reason we don't have to kill motbob - The Vet idea. The Vet steps forward and all the DTs role check him and get confirmation. At this point there's no need to kill motbob as the DTs already have used their check for the night. Killing motbob would accomplish nothing.
Right now there is only one thing we need to focus on - Pyrr telling myself and another player who the bodyguards are. He still hasn't done it and time is running out. We need this information before Night 1 is over. Once we move to Day 2 I'll reveal the second part of my plan.
I'm highly certain he meant red or green, for which case 75% is just about correct. If the DTs check only the vet, they won't know their sanity. Also, what makes you so sure that the DTs have used their checks? That would make the least sense.
Another thing, why would Pyrr have to tell you who the BGs are? As far as I can see, that has no benefit at all.
I believe that now we need to decide who we lynch tomorrow so that DTs can check him tonight. If you have a good point against this, present it. "They have most likely already used their checks" isn't one.
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My habits of normally editing my posts numerous times are really hurt by this no-edit rule, but what's the current plan for medics? The last plan proposed was protecting the members of office, but I'm not really sure if that's worth it. Shouldn't we compose some kind of a medic list? Or should we just let the medic(s) do their job based on their gut feeling?
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On October 25 2009 02:40 Ace wrote:
The only role we have a total for is Reds, so there isn't any way to guess any odds related to Blue or Green.
What I meant with the DTs using their checks statement is that assuming the Vet steps out before the night is over the DTs can check them out. Thats more guaranteed than guessing if motbob will die tomorrow.
If Pyrr, Myself, and a 3rd player all know the Bodyguards the Mafia can't kill all 3 of us in one night. Hence THREE people are needed so the information is never lost.
And once again I'll state if you want to lynch motbob there has to be some better reasoning presented here.
Oh I see, if the vet steps up tonight, then you're entirely correct. I just was under the assumption that the plan was for tomorrow, but it would work for today, too. I still think it'd be a good idea to pre-select someone to lynch. If not today, then tomorrow.
I guess that's a good point, although we could alternatively just medic-protect him. However, since we can't know if we even have a medic at all... yeah I guess that would be the best thing to do. I guess you'd make the most sence to be the third person then. You can't pardon yourself so even if you were mafia it should work out fine.
So... in the case a vet doesn't claim tonight, what's the plan?
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On October 25 2009 02:47 Ace wrote:
What you think is the role count is irrelevant - you don't know so your estimate is bs.
And if you think I'm fishy for winning pardoner, when you yourself just quoted the post I supposedly used to get it then don't you think it would be smarter to look at EVERYONE that voted for me instead of trying to single out motbob again? hurrrr durrrrrr?
A reason for that is that he took the time to vote for you before he replied to this thread and while he was supposedly busy. This can be because 1. he had the time to read the entire thread to see who were running and found your platform promising or 2. a mafia PMed him to vote. Do you honestly not see how exactly HIS vote is suspicious, and why it would make sense to concentrate on it? You don't see anything suspicious in the way he's acting?
The votes we would be tempted to look at are Vivi's and L's. L doesn't really like Ace at all from what I've seen and they never seem to agree with each other. However, they haven't really argued this game and the vote was right at the end of the day. Still, Ace was far better than tricode so it's not that bad.
Vivi shouldn't like Ace either since Ace thinks that Vivi is a terrible player. Vivi also was entirely convinced that Tricode was a green, and there's only one way you can be 100% certain. Also, he said that Tricode was by far the safest option, but 10 minutes before the end of the vote changes his vote to Ace with "I wanted Tricode as mayor not pardoner", even though it's the most disasterous if a mafia gets the pardoner role. It made no sense at all to change to someone you don't even really like and who you don't think is safe off a lot safer option.
Caller hasn't been doing nothing except trolling lightly the entire game, so I don't know about his role but he sure hasn't been helping the town. I guess his vote was all right, though. Normally mafia wouldn't like to be the ones to give the first vote to a person, though, especially if it's someone who'd get voted anyway.
Infundibulum acted pretty reasonably and had some good points early in the game, although after that he really hasn't said more than one-liners and such. I guess there's not much suspicious about him voting for you, though. On the other side of the coin, though, would someone who's been posting as reasonably vote for someone without a platform? Well, Tricode was at the time the other choice, so that's quite understandable.
Even though the emphasis is on motbob, here you go. Every person who voted for you. At least some votes were quite suspicious, especially the late swing.
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hasn't been doing anything* damn
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On October 25 2009 03:16 L wrote:
First off: the vet might not claim because if there are 2 vets in the game, both of them die and we're basically fast forwarded to day 4 with no kills. This isn't a 'small' concern. Its a huge hole in the plan. If we gamble and come up short, we're in big trouble.
Second: The flip side to that is if both bodyguards are non-replacements, telling 2 additional people raises the chances that mafia learns about the bodyguards by 50%.
If you're mafia, that's perfect, because you can eliminate the bodyguards, try to say one of the other information holders was the leak and then demand medic protection like you... already did. That essentially frees you up to kill whatever other office holder there is while claiming medic protection while getting the town to waste a lynch.
Oh but wait, there's more. If you go through with doing so and drop a pardon onto whomever you decided to pin as the leak, now we're back 3 days, since we just wasted a day on the pardoned hit, the next day would be your death, and the day after that chances are we'd be forced to kill the pardoned person who might very well be innocent. 3 days is 6 mafia hits, putting us to a 7-1 trade for the play; not bad at all. If we're dumb and decide to hit the pardoned player before you, you might even get away scott free as you point towards the innocent corpse and state that you were trying to help town.
Out of everyone in the town, telling you, or you telling pyrr when you get information is the worst possible idea; Neither of you can be DT checked when they confirm their sanity state, and neither of you can be mad hattered or vig'd once exposed.
I hate to always be the negative nancy, but I'd rather not have us assume a bunch of information we don't have, then essentially get raped before even being able to play the game because of it.
Awesome =) So with this, isn't the best plan to decide who to lynch and then dt check -> lynch him?
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On October 25 2009 03:20 L wrote:
Raped.
Also I like Ace, but think Tricode's a fucking moron. My intense hatred of his gigantic buffonery should have come through rather clear. If you want, I can probably dredge up plenty of PMs between Ace and I making fun of both him and Vivi for horrendous play in prior games if you want.
No need, vivi's is the vote I'm most concerned about since it sealed it. Motbob's as well. But Ace was implying the other people weren't suspicious at all but there's plenty of reason to be suspicious.
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On October 25 2009 03:26 Ace wrote:
I'm gonna read both your posts after I finish watching this anime porn
Saying that implies that you've already read them. No need to say that at all, you could just reply when done. I don't understand this placeholder post.
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Well, it depends on how actively you want to play as mafia. Some mafias are actively in the discussion with at least one player, some mafias just sit back. I think that the double red BG would be quite an interesting thing to do for a mafia, especially if they have some kind of an active/aggressive player as a leader/vet.
I really don't know though, all the choices and possibilities are making my head ache.
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On October 25 2009 06:03 Qatol wrote:
We are going to day in 4 hours (assuming Ver shows up). If you have a night action, send it in soon.
Translates to: Pyrr hurry up
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On October 25 2009 07:07 Ace wrote:
Pyrr stop stalling. Send the BG names to myself and someone who has been posting a lot in the thread.
Doesn't have to be you... can be 2 people he suspects aren't mafia, if you're that concerned about both pyrr and the guy getting killed. However, the mafia most likely doesnt even have the time to send in a new hitlist with all this delaying.
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Seems like Pyrrhuloxia never sent the BG info to a third party or at least didn't announce it.
What is your explanation for this course of action?
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On October 25 2009 10:55 Amber[LighT] wrote:
how is he supposed to trust any of you morons anyway. You guys thought foolishness was mafia oh about 20 pages ago.
It's funny how you say "you guys" as a reply to a post of mine when I definitely didn't think Foolishness was mafia, at all.
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On October 25 2009 11:59 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
Oh and summary
VOTE FOR MOTBOB
Holy shit.
Edit: Or Ace, at this point I am sure either is a good choice.
I'm almost certain Ace is mafia if he keeps up with his motbob pardoning. Also, there really wasn't a bandwagon started against it. I actually was most likely the first one to take note of his post count at the time he voted for Ace, and it kept increasing even though he didn't talk in the thread, until he said something about his grandpa, and didn't reply to my doubts after that. It WAS highly suspicious, if you disagree you just are completely blind or totally wrong.
Now Ace is going to set us back two days in this game where we really need to lower the mafia numbers asap and he also wanted the BG roles to be sent to him for no proper reason, since it could just as well be anyone other than him.
I say that it's useless to vote for motbob since he'll just get pardoned. If we want to actually lynch someone and make progress, we need to vote to lynch Ace. If Ace really still doesn't see the benefit of that DT plan that now is impossible, and if he still would pardon motbob it's certain that Ace is either a mafia or that he should stop calling himself a vet, since this is some of the most shitty play I've ever seen from a townie pardoner.
In other news, what the hell is this?
"From: RebirthOfLeGenD [ Profile | Buddy ]
Subject: yo
Date: 10/25/09 11:33
Sup"
Fishing is forbidden in these waters.
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On October 25 2009 12:39 Tricode wrote:
Should we take a risk of doing a double lynch in hopes to catch up on what we missed?
no
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RoL has been making quite a bit of sense here.
Ace still is fishy. It's nowhere near guaranteed you're a DT, not even likely. RCing Judge was a pretty bad move for a player like you. Why wouldn't you RC someone more likely to die, someone who's been contributing a lot or has annoyed a lot of people? This RC makes no sense at all. I already addressed the pardoning issue as well, that's just bad play. Really, the pardon thing and "a suspicious bandwagon against the most useless player who has been acting suspicious and hasn't contributed at all" is just a load of crap.
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