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On June 23 2021 22:46 chipmonklord17 wrote:
Well they have two supports on the Challengers team to try. This is NA tier benching, from the outside at least. But this is embarrassing. I still don't believe that the "real" roster in whatever slump they're in would actually lose to Fredit
Then nvm, idk what they're planning with this roster. Hard to believe their supports are worse than current Beryl, he made multiple benchable mistakes in game 3 alone.
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On June 23 2021 22:25 chipmonklord17 wrote:
but is it better than showmaker ghost? (assuming you intentionally put [adc] [support]) You already have a supportive adc in ghost so I don't think its that far of a stretch play style wise.
Also no matter what disaster the coaching staff thinks their regular roster was it can't possibly be so bad to lose to Fredit Brion
Don't forget that Fredit Brion was one of 2 teams that beat them last split
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GEN.G with the biggest damn heist in the universe, getting away with freakin' murder
holy shiit this T1 vs NS game 1
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How long until T1 swaps players around again
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Even though T1 made some comebacks in both games, NS looked like the better team overall. Deokdam didn't play his best today, but the rest of the roster was on fire. Plus better drafting...
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t1s drafts have been so bad lately its just mind boggling.
they go so hard on "win lane win game" mentality but fail to realise that the chances of the game being over because they stomped their lanes is slim.
and because they went so hard on drafting for the laning phase they dont have a good composition to fall back on without an early lead.
both games their teamfight/macro comp was just dogshit
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Today is the fated day, we get to see mental boom HLE vs floundering DK. I wonder if DK will play their current lineup, would be interesting to see if Canyon can hold up to Chovy (although last series it looked like his back completely broke) or if ShowMaker needs to step in.
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I don't really watch a lot of HLE but I thought Morgan was pretty sick on WE. Surprised to see Dubu get so much starting time
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EDIT: I was in the wrong thread. I blame lack of coffee, mods have mercy.
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That game 2 from T1 was so depressing, no wonder they're in the bottom half of LCK. Dom was guest on LPL today, and brazenly predicted LPL to win Worlds this year, and honestly I don't think he's wrong, every top team in LCK except GenG is floundering, and their super boring, standard playstyle doesn't seem to hold against top tier flexible teams.
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ever since kkoma left t1 has been in a slump tbh.
faker recently gave an interview about differences in opinion about how the game should be played between him and the team/head coach.
i think its pretty clear that its an issue of faker not wanting to adapt to a playstyle that he feels is incorrect, and head coaches after kkoma dont understand fakers style at all. it explains why both head coaches tried to drop faker (they cant control him) but have no choice to put him back into the lineup because hes still faker.
i feel t1's drafts this split is also indicative of the above issue. quite frankly t1's drafts have been shit in almost every single game theyve played. daeny is obssessed with lane priority and frequently drafts teams that dont scale well or are weaker in 5v5 fights in favour of lane dominance. its a pretty all or nothing strategy because you absolutely must win the laning phase. going even or worse just puts you behind for the rest of the game. this isnt how faker and kkoma liked to draft throughout all their years of success; in fact they were notorious for doing the opposite. often drafting poor lanes in favour of scaling compositions and good teamfight potential.
and if you just look at the movement of the players right now its so passive and timid. the players dont split deep enough and dont stretch the map out which just forces them to group more with compositions that suck at grouping anyway. its been the same recipe this whole season tbh. for me this season highlighted how overrated daeny is and how poor his understanding of macro is. his success with damwon came because he had 3 of the best solo laners in the world (nuguri, canyon, showmaker) and they could actually just snowball off a lane advantage to win games. he doesnt have that at t1 and hes been unable to adapt his style to what would be the safer yet effective "safe and methodical" style of traditional skt, which faker and teddy can very competently pull off.
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T1 in Game 3 is a typical 'Win draft but can't do anything with it' T1.
LS and Fudge calling it massive draft diff and it did not matter one single bit because Cuzz is sinning out of his mind with unnecessary ganks. Just so sad to see. Faker was also invisible in the last game on Karma.
*sigh* so hard to be a T1 fan now. Lost draft, they lose; won draft, they still lose lol
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Game 3 DRX vs LSB. Wouldn't Poppy top have been bonkers against the revealed Viego, Diana, Kalista and Nautilus?
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On July 03 2021 20:49 AzAlexZ wrote:
T1 in Game 3 is a typical 'Win draft but can't do anything with it' T1.
LS and Fudge calling it massive draft diff and it did not matter one single bit because Cuzz is sinning out of his mind with unnecessary ganks. Just so sad to see. Faker was also invisible in the last game on Karma.
*sigh* so hard to be a T1 fan now. Lost draft, they lose; won draft, they still lose lol
how did t1 win game 3's draft? they got outdrafted hard.
no way of taking back vision, no way to initiate fights, heavily reliant on jinx as sole dps especially because rumble didnt get fed. they were destined to lose. obviously it didnt make things better that t1 dont have any idea wtf they should be doing macro wise now, but the comp was terrible.
the korean commentary accurately pointed out that t1's draft cant do shit because they have to facecheck everything and if jinx has no spells they cant engage because theyd just lose. its why t1 gave up all the objectives and grouped as 4 at mid for like half the game. they cant get vision by themselves and thresh alone cant save jinx if afreeca decides to just jump on them with free leona ults.
i say it again but for me daeny is out of his depth. t1's winning formula this entire season has been snowball off a strong laning phase with zero mistakes. if the laning phase goes even or if a player makes a mistake (game 2 faker), they have no idea how to climb back into the game. they actually struggle to close games out with leads as well.
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On July 04 2021 02:29 evilfatsh1t wrote:Show nested quote +On July 03 2021 20:49 AzAlexZ wrote:
T1 in Game 3 is a typical 'Win draft but can't do anything with it' T1.
LS and Fudge calling it massive draft diff and it did not matter one single bit because Cuzz is sinning out of his mind with unnecessary ganks. Just so sad to see. Faker was also invisible in the last game on Karma.
*sigh* so hard to be a T1 fan now. Lost draft, they lose; won draft, they still lose lol how did t1 win game 3's draft? they got outdrafted hard. no way of taking back vision, no way to initiate fights, heavily reliant on jinx as sole dps especially because rumble didnt get fed. they were destined to lose. obviously it didnt make things better that t1 dont have any idea wtf they should be doing macro wise now, but the comp was terrible. the korean commentary accurately pointed out that t1's draft cant do shit because they have to facecheck everything and if jinx has no spells they cant engage because theyd just lose. its why t1 gave up all the objectives and grouped as 4 at mid for like half the game. they cant get vision by themselves and thresh alone cant save jinx if afreeca decides to just jump on them with free leona ults. i say it again but for me daeny is out of his depth. t1's winning formula this entire season has been snowball off a strong laning phase with zero mistakes. if the laning phase goes even or if a player makes a mistake (game 2 faker), they have no idea how to climb back into the game. they actually struggle to close games out with leads as well.
well according to LS they won draft
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so hard to be a T1 fan now
Easy solution, just stop being one. For me the org kind of died after rebranding, they have only had moderate domestic success in the last 2 years and there are very clear reasons why they haven't represented KR at Worlds. Considering that on paper T1 has all the tools to be the best (funding, history, coaching, players, prestige) and yet their problems persist every season regardless of roster changes (unable to push advantages intelligently, Faker trying to force plays, poor drafts), it's just sad.
Also,, I agree with the Reddit hivemind that T1 hoarding all this talent is just not good for the scene. The T1 B team is LCK worthy, and we have seen the players that escaped do quite well: Gori is shining with his new roster, Effort looks better than he did on T1. Wouldn't be surprised if Gumi or Zeus joined another team they would be star players after a year.
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HLE vs NS game 3 had a pretty hilarious and messy ending, I thought Ezreal was actually going to clean it up. Big win for HLE, they actually have a good chance for playoffs if they beat KT and perform well in the second half of the season.
DK and HLE did well this week, top of the league should be sweating right now.
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On July 04 2021 15:38 AzAlexZ wrote:Show nested quote +On July 04 2021 02:29 evilfatsh1t wrote:On July 03 2021 20:49 AzAlexZ wrote:
T1 in Game 3 is a typical 'Win draft but can't do anything with it' T1.
LS and Fudge calling it massive draft diff and it did not matter one single bit because Cuzz is sinning out of his mind with unnecessary ganks. Just so sad to see. Faker was also invisible in the last game on Karma.
*sigh* so hard to be a T1 fan now. Lost draft, they lose; won draft, they still lose lol how did t1 win game 3's draft? they got outdrafted hard. no way of taking back vision, no way to initiate fights, heavily reliant on jinx as sole dps especially because rumble didnt get fed. they were destined to lose. obviously it didnt make things better that t1 dont have any idea wtf they should be doing macro wise now, but the comp was terrible. the korean commentary accurately pointed out that t1's draft cant do shit because they have to facecheck everything and if jinx has no spells they cant engage because theyd just lose. its why t1 gave up all the objectives and grouped as 4 at mid for like half the game. they cant get vision by themselves and thresh alone cant save jinx if afreeca decides to just jump on them with free leona ults. i say it again but for me daeny is out of his depth. t1's winning formula this entire season has been snowball off a strong laning phase with zero mistakes. if the laning phase goes even or if a player makes a mistake (game 2 faker), they have no idea how to climb back into the game. they actually struggle to close games out with leads as well. well according to LS they won draft
well that says it all
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On July 04 2021 17:53 DarkCore wrote:Easy solution, just stop being one. For me the org kind of died after rebranding, they have only had moderate domestic success in the last 2 years and there are very clear reasons why they haven't represented KR at Worlds. Considering that on paper T1 has all the tools to be the best (funding, history, coaching, players, prestige) and yet their problems persist every season regardless of roster changes (unable to push advantages intelligently, Faker trying to force plays, poor drafts), it's just sad. Also,, I agree with the Reddit hivemind that T1 hoarding all this talent is just not good for the scene. The T1 B team is LCK worthy, and we have seen the players that escaped do quite well: Gori is shining with his new roster, Effort looks better than he did on T1. Wouldn't be surprised if Gumi or Zeus joined another team they would be star players after a year.
Eh,,,as long as Faker is there I'll still support. I agree that hoarding talent is fkn stupid and at this point I feel like regardless of how good Faker is or isn't (at the very least everyone can agree he's of the level of an LCK starter) T1 can't move on with a new identity until he (and Teddy to a lesser extent) leaves,.
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On July 05 2021 15:54 AdsMoFro wrote:Show nested quote +On July 04 2021 17:53 DarkCore wrote:so hard to be a T1 fan now Easy solution, just stop being one. For me the org kind of died after rebranding, they have only had moderate domestic success in the last 2 years and there are very clear reasons why they haven't represented KR at Worlds. Considering that on paper T1 has all the tools to be the best (funding, history, coaching, players, prestige) and yet their problems persist every season regardless of roster changes (unable to push advantages intelligently, Faker trying to force plays, poor drafts), it's just sad. Also, I agree with the Reddit hivemind that T1 hoarding all this talent is just not good for the scene. The T1 B team is LCK worthy, and we have seen the players that escaped do quite well: Gori is shining with his new roster, Effort looks better than he did on T1. Wouldn't be surprised if Gumi or Zeus joined another team they would be star players after a year. Eh,,,as long as Faker is there I'll still support. I agree that hoarding talent is fkn stupid and at this point I feel like regardless of how good Faker is or isn't (at the very least everyone can agree he's of the level of an LCK starter) T1 can't move on with a new identity until he (and Teddy to a lesser extent) leaves.
honestly same for me, as long as Faker remains on T1, I will support T1. It's just sad to see the team that was once so dominant fall to this level.
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