Group Stage Double Round Robin Each team plays 18 matches All matches are Bo3 1st to 6th place will play the Playoffs 1st and 2nd receive playoff byes into the semifinals
Playoffs Single Elimination All matches are Bo5 Winner qualifies for World Championship 2021
On June 10 2021 01:58 evilfatsh1t wrote: good start for t1 today. absolutely stomped hle also faker picked his 67th and 68th different champion today which is insane
ye, happy to see him on form, hopefully this carries through the whole split. T1 vs DK next, hope Faker can get the W
Man, T1 really had game 3, they need to clean up their game. That said, Khan opened the game with some great assassinations and DK coming back from a deficit is just their thing.
Faker aggression sometimes feels so forced. Feel bad for him, bot lane can bully their opponents, but ShowMaker just doesn't make mistakes no way to get an advantage in his lane.
NS is lowkey my favorite new team this year, they are performing really well. It's fun watching old pros like Peanut make a resurgence, ROX Tigers was such a talented team but I think most viewers don't remember them.
On June 18 2021 00:53 DarkCore wrote: I hope DK runs this lineup again, not because it's good, but because watching Canyon and ShowMaker gap opponents off role is hilarious.
Wasn't Canyon infamous for running top 10 KR soloq accounts in different roles or was this another DAMWON player?
On June 18 2021 00:53 DarkCore wrote: I hope DK runs this lineup again, not because it's good, but because watching Canyon and ShowMaker gap opponents off role is hilarious.
On June 18 2021 00:53 DarkCore wrote: I hope DK runs this lineup again, not because it's good, but because watching Canyon and ShowMaker gap opponents off role is hilarious.
Wasn't Canyon infamous for running top 10 KR soloq accounts in different roles or was this another DAMWON player?
ive never heard of any player doing this in korean soloq
also canyon did well in mid but lets not pretend showmaker "gapped" leo in bot lane. he got outlaned hard both games, it was just a team diff in the end
But ngl, AF is off to a very good start this split, they have almost as many wins in week 2 as they did in the entire last split, real chance they can even the tally by week 4. Replacing washed up Bang seems to have worked wonders.
but is it better than showmaker ghost? (assuming you intentionally put [adc] [support]) You already have a supportive adc in ghost so I don't think its that far of a stretch play style wise.
Also no matter what disaster the coaching staff thinks their regular roster was it can't possibly be so bad to lose to Fredit Brion
Yeah, Beryl is pretty lackluster, I guess they just don't have a viable sub for him, ShowMaker is not bad on ADC, his teamfighting is great and the poor laning phase is a joint venture.
Unlucky that DK is going through this now and not early last split, now it's basically impossible to pick up a top Support and integrate them into the team. They don't look like a Worlds contender or at all.
Well they have two supports on the Challengers team to try. This is NA tier benching, from the outside at least. But this is embarrassing. I still don't believe that the "real" roster in whatever slump they're in would actually lose to Fredit
On June 23 2021 22:46 chipmonklord17 wrote: Well they have two supports on the Challengers team to try. This is NA tier benching, from the outside at least. But this is embarrassing. I still don't believe that the "real" roster in whatever slump they're in would actually lose to Fredit
Then nvm, idk what they're planning with this roster. Hard to believe their supports are worse than current Beryl, he made multiple benchable mistakes in game 3 alone.
On June 23 2021 22:25 chipmonklord17 wrote: but is it better than showmaker ghost? (assuming you intentionally put [adc] [support]) You already have a supportive adc in ghost so I don't think its that far of a stretch play style wise.
Also no matter what disaster the coaching staff thinks their regular roster was it can't possibly be so bad to lose to Fredit Brion
Don't forget that Fredit Brion was one of 2 teams that beat them last split
Even though T1 made some comebacks in both games, NS looked like the better team overall. Deokdam didn't play his best today, but the rest of the roster was on fire. Plus better drafting...
t1s drafts have been so bad lately its just mind boggling. they go so hard on "win lane win game" mentality but fail to realise that the chances of the game being over because they stomped their lanes is slim. and because they went so hard on drafting for the laning phase they dont have a good composition to fall back on without an early lead. both games their teamfight/macro comp was just dogshit
Today is the fated day, we get to see mental boom HLE vs floundering DK. I wonder if DK will play their current lineup, would be interesting to see if Canyon can hold up to Chovy (although last series it looked like his back completely broke) or if ShowMaker needs to step in.
That game 2 from T1 was so depressing, no wonder they're in the bottom half of LCK. Dom was guest on LPL today, and brazenly predicted LPL to win Worlds this year, and honestly I don't think he's wrong, every top team in LCK except GenG is floundering, and their super boring, standard playstyle doesn't seem to hold against top tier flexible teams.
ever since kkoma left t1 has been in a slump tbh. faker recently gave an interview about differences in opinion about how the game should be played between him and the team/head coach. i think its pretty clear that its an issue of faker not wanting to adapt to a playstyle that he feels is incorrect, and head coaches after kkoma dont understand fakers style at all. it explains why both head coaches tried to drop faker (they cant control him) but have no choice to put him back into the lineup because hes still faker. i feel t1's drafts this split is also indicative of the above issue. quite frankly t1's drafts have been shit in almost every single game theyve played. daeny is obssessed with lane priority and frequently drafts teams that dont scale well or are weaker in 5v5 fights in favour of lane dominance. its a pretty all or nothing strategy because you absolutely must win the laning phase. going even or worse just puts you behind for the rest of the game. this isnt how faker and kkoma liked to draft throughout all their years of success; in fact they were notorious for doing the opposite. often drafting poor lanes in favour of scaling compositions and good teamfight potential. and if you just look at the movement of the players right now its so passive and timid. the players dont split deep enough and dont stretch the map out which just forces them to group more with compositions that suck at grouping anyway. its been the same recipe this whole season tbh. for me this season highlighted how overrated daeny is and how poor his understanding of macro is. his success with damwon came because he had 3 of the best solo laners in the world (nuguri, canyon, showmaker) and they could actually just snowball off a lane advantage to win games. he doesnt have that at t1 and hes been unable to adapt his style to what would be the safer yet effective "safe and methodical" style of traditional skt, which faker and teddy can very competently pull off.
T1 in Game 3 is a typical 'Win draft but can't do anything with it' T1. LS and Fudge calling it massive draft diff and it did not matter one single bit because Cuzz is sinning out of his mind with unnecessary ganks. Just so sad to see. Faker was also invisible in the last game on Karma. *sigh* so hard to be a T1 fan now. Lost draft, they lose; won draft, they still lose lol
On July 03 2021 20:49 AzAlexZ wrote: T1 in Game 3 is a typical 'Win draft but can't do anything with it' T1. LS and Fudge calling it massive draft diff and it did not matter one single bit because Cuzz is sinning out of his mind with unnecessary ganks. Just so sad to see. Faker was also invisible in the last game on Karma. *sigh* so hard to be a T1 fan now. Lost draft, they lose; won draft, they still lose lol
how did t1 win game 3's draft? they got outdrafted hard. no way of taking back vision, no way to initiate fights, heavily reliant on jinx as sole dps especially because rumble didnt get fed. they were destined to lose. obviously it didnt make things better that t1 dont have any idea wtf they should be doing macro wise now, but the comp was terrible. the korean commentary accurately pointed out that t1's draft cant do shit because they have to facecheck everything and if jinx has no spells they cant engage because theyd just lose. its why t1 gave up all the objectives and grouped as 4 at mid for like half the game. they cant get vision by themselves and thresh alone cant save jinx if afreeca decides to just jump on them with free leona ults. i say it again but for me daeny is out of his depth. t1's winning formula this entire season has been snowball off a strong laning phase with zero mistakes. if the laning phase goes even or if a player makes a mistake (game 2 faker), they have no idea how to climb back into the game. they actually struggle to close games out with leads as well.
On July 03 2021 20:49 AzAlexZ wrote: T1 in Game 3 is a typical 'Win draft but can't do anything with it' T1. LS and Fudge calling it massive draft diff and it did not matter one single bit because Cuzz is sinning out of his mind with unnecessary ganks. Just so sad to see. Faker was also invisible in the last game on Karma. *sigh* so hard to be a T1 fan now. Lost draft, they lose; won draft, they still lose lol
how did t1 win game 3's draft? they got outdrafted hard. no way of taking back vision, no way to initiate fights, heavily reliant on jinx as sole dps especially because rumble didnt get fed. they were destined to lose. obviously it didnt make things better that t1 dont have any idea wtf they should be doing macro wise now, but the comp was terrible. the korean commentary accurately pointed out that t1's draft cant do shit because they have to facecheck everything and if jinx has no spells they cant engage because theyd just lose. its why t1 gave up all the objectives and grouped as 4 at mid for like half the game. they cant get vision by themselves and thresh alone cant save jinx if afreeca decides to just jump on them with free leona ults. i say it again but for me daeny is out of his depth. t1's winning formula this entire season has been snowball off a strong laning phase with zero mistakes. if the laning phase goes even or if a player makes a mistake (game 2 faker), they have no idea how to climb back into the game. they actually struggle to close games out with leads as well.
Easy solution, just stop being one. For me the org kind of died after rebranding, they have only had moderate domestic success in the last 2 years and there are very clear reasons why they haven't represented KR at Worlds. Considering that on paper T1 has all the tools to be the best (funding, history, coaching, players, prestige) and yet their problems persist every season regardless of roster changes (unable to push advantages intelligently, Faker trying to force plays, poor drafts), it's just sad.
Also,, I agree with the Reddit hivemind that T1 hoarding all this talent is just not good for the scene. The T1 B team is LCK worthy, and we have seen the players that escaped do quite well: Gori is shining with his new roster, Effort looks better than he did on T1. Wouldn't be surprised if Gumi or Zeus joined another team they would be star players after a year.
HLE vs NS game 3 had a pretty hilarious and messy ending, I thought Ezreal was actually going to clean it up. Big win for HLE, they actually have a good chance for playoffs if they beat KT and perform well in the second half of the season.
DK and HLE did well this week, top of the league should be sweating right now.
On July 03 2021 20:49 AzAlexZ wrote: T1 in Game 3 is a typical 'Win draft but can't do anything with it' T1. LS and Fudge calling it massive draft diff and it did not matter one single bit because Cuzz is sinning out of his mind with unnecessary ganks. Just so sad to see. Faker was also invisible in the last game on Karma. *sigh* so hard to be a T1 fan now. Lost draft, they lose; won draft, they still lose lol
how did t1 win game 3's draft? they got outdrafted hard. no way of taking back vision, no way to initiate fights, heavily reliant on jinx as sole dps especially because rumble didnt get fed. they were destined to lose. obviously it didnt make things better that t1 dont have any idea wtf they should be doing macro wise now, but the comp was terrible. the korean commentary accurately pointed out that t1's draft cant do shit because they have to facecheck everything and if jinx has no spells they cant engage because theyd just lose. its why t1 gave up all the objectives and grouped as 4 at mid for like half the game. they cant get vision by themselves and thresh alone cant save jinx if afreeca decides to just jump on them with free leona ults. i say it again but for me daeny is out of his depth. t1's winning formula this entire season has been snowball off a strong laning phase with zero mistakes. if the laning phase goes even or if a player makes a mistake (game 2 faker), they have no idea how to climb back into the game. they actually struggle to close games out with leads as well.
Easy solution, just stop being one. For me the org kind of died after rebranding, they have only had moderate domestic success in the last 2 years and there are very clear reasons why they haven't represented KR at Worlds. Considering that on paper T1 has all the tools to be the best (funding, history, coaching, players, prestige) and yet their problems persist every season regardless of roster changes (unable to push advantages intelligently, Faker trying to force plays, poor drafts), it's just sad.
Also,, I agree with the Reddit hivemind that T1 hoarding all this talent is just not good for the scene. The T1 B team is LCK worthy, and we have seen the players that escaped do quite well: Gori is shining with his new roster, Effort looks better than he did on T1. Wouldn't be surprised if Gumi or Zeus joined another team they would be star players after a year.
Eh,,,as long as Faker is there I'll still support. I agree that hoarding talent is fkn stupid and at this point I feel like regardless of how good Faker is or isn't (at the very least everyone can agree he's of the level of an LCK starter) T1 can't move on with a new identity until he (and Teddy to a lesser extent) leaves,.
Easy solution, just stop being one. For me the org kind of died after rebranding, they have only had moderate domestic success in the last 2 years and there are very clear reasons why they haven't represented KR at Worlds. Considering that on paper T1 has all the tools to be the best (funding, history, coaching, players, prestige) and yet their problems persist every season regardless of roster changes (unable to push advantages intelligently, Faker trying to force plays, poor drafts), it's just sad.
Also, I agree with the Reddit hivemind that T1 hoarding all this talent is just not good for the scene. The T1 B team is LCK worthy, and we have seen the players that escaped do quite well: Gori is shining with his new roster, Effort looks better than he did on T1. Wouldn't be surprised if Gumi or Zeus joined another team they would be star players after a year.
Eh,,,as long as Faker is there I'll still support. I agree that hoarding talent is fkn stupid and at this point I feel like regardless of how good Faker is or isn't (at the very least everyone can agree he's of the level of an LCK starter) T1 can't move on with a new identity until he (and Teddy to a lesser extent) leaves.
honestly same for me, as long as Faker remains on T1, I will support T1. It's just sad to see the team that was once so dominant fall to this level.
so some huge news before t1 vs kt which is that daeny and zefa got fired. i think its unprecedented? in the lol scene where coaches have been fired mid season so this should be interesting to see, especially given the firing took place in the summer split. personally i was of the opinion that daeny wasnt cut out for the job so i think its a good thing this happened but since there isnt a formal replacement i guess well have to see whether this decision was for the best
Well T1 looked good today so the pitchforks won't come out quite yet. Then again, it was only KT... crazy to imagine we once looked forward to the Telecom war.
NS confirmed my suspicion today that they might be the 2nd best team in the LCK. DK look better than the past few weeks, but NS is just doing everything right: good macro, good mechanics, good drafting. HLE and T1 should take notes.
Right now, I think LCK World seeds are (mostly unsurprising):
- GenG - NS - DK - T1 or HLE
That last placement is a big iffy, tbh I wouldn't be surprised if both teams fall flat and lose to a mid tier team like AF or Sandbox. But they seem to be on upwards trends, so there is hope.
I assume that LCK is doing Champion, 1st in Points, 2nd in Points, Winner of Gauntlet as their 4 seeds this year so T1 is in insanely good shape to make it. Assuming that its another Gen.G vs Damwon finals they both claim Champion/1st in points. With DRX and Hanwha trending downward their only real competition for the 2nd in points seed would be Nongshim.
It'll be really really embarrassing if T1 fuck this one up
LMAO Daeny and Zefa get fired and T1 gets their first 2-0 weekend and beat Damwon for the first time this year. Guess this is kinda confusing but if this means Faker nd T1 are winning then I am happy
If they keep this up, they are likely to clinch the 4th LCK seed to Worlds. They look much better than other mid tier LCK teams, and HLE is a burning train wreck (not to mention 3 wins behind T1 now). I think GenG will win the split, DK will grab second seed with points, and then T1/NS breeze through qualifiers. Only upset I can see is NS wins the split, I don't think DK has it in them.
for me the difference in performance by t1 with and without daeny is like light and day. faker actually making calls again and using the space in the map to the fullest and the team looks so much more stable throughout all stages of the game. before, after 20mins 1 death would be a smooth collapse and dead nexus and faker hugging his team more than splitting where he can. this split is looking pretty interesting. gen g loses, dk with bad form and t1 on the rise again. despite ns' performances i honestly dont think that they will clutch it in a bo5 against any of gen g, dk or t1. theres a good chance that t1 actually wins this split if things keep going this way
I do sometimes wonder if we will ever get a player with a track record like Faker. The biggest stars right now have pitifully short records, even Ruler and ShowMaker have only won Worlds once and LCK a few times. There's a new top team in LPL basically every split, and G2 hasn't won Worlds, NA is NA. If he wins Worlds one more time, he should be safely GOAT.
I meant it more like another win would make his record insurmountable, he's already my GOAT as well. Ironically, with how competitive LPL and LCK have become, it's basically impossible for a team to dominate for as long as T1 did, even if this game is around for another decade it would be hard to top Faker's trophy-case.
faker is easily goat right now. he still has a chance to add to his lck tallies and his last title wasnt even that long ago. main thing for me is he would silence so many people who called him washed up and he gets to retire on a high, even if he doesnt retire immediately after a worlds win. undoubtedly the best at his peak but also to be the best for as long as he was is comparable to messi/ronaldo
On July 24 2021 21:41 AdsMoFro wrote: Effort's Baron steal to save the series against his old team...you can't script this shit
man from a t1 fans perspective that whole sequence was frustrating as fuck. 3 guys couldnt be bothered to destroy one fking control ward, knowing that they dont have smite. the chances of effort pulling it off was slim but its not THAT slim when he gets to perfectly see how much dmg youre doing. for fucks sake
GenG must be very unhappy with this weeks results. Would be crazy if NS finished the split in 1st place, that's DWG/GRF/ROX level of performance for a new team, would have never expected it based on their Spring results. So happy for Peanut, guess he's finally found a way to shut up his haters.
It is somewhat ironic that ShowMaker and Chovy are on crappy teams, meanwhile Fly and Faker are on an upswing. Also didn't realize Fly has played enough to reach 1000 kills.
AF look surprisingly good, honestly they have a decent chance for Worlds. But man, LCK is such a mess this split, every veteran top team has swung between good and super bad almost every 2 weeks. Right now it's GenG and DK, and that's why NS is 1st while Sandbox and AF have crept up the standings.
some more surprising news is that daeny has already found a new job as a coach at damwon again? like wtf? its been 2 weeks since he was terminated at t1.
Will check it out. I just want to mention I really appreciate the skeleton crew of diehards keeping this forum from losing its pulse, and because I don't have the time to check out every game from every region, these recommendations are a true blessing!
I prefer getting a response once a month here over the bs that gets spewed over on reddit, especially because my last experience (I think 3 years ago?) I got attacked by one of the super users who have nothing better to do that 'strongly' disagree with any dissenting opinions. Also, I know some of our balance complaints are a bit whiny, but it's so tame compared to r/lol.
This week perfectly described AF: beat DK for a shot at ending the split 3rd/4th, only to lose against DRX, the worst LCK team by a hilarious margin.
Losing to NS would normally be OK, they are looking like the best LCK team right now. The problem is HLE desperately needed to win that game to make playoffs, because they are 2 wins behind AF and only have 3 more games to play.
does anyone actually care about hle making playoffs? i dont think even the most hardcore chovy or deft fans would really care because the chances of them winning any series in playoffs is pretty much zero. theyre not winning lck or going to worlds anyway. i just feel sorry for chovy. he got trolled by sword in a serious team and griffin had to squander a good chance at worlds, then he moved to 2 teams that didnt have teammates that could keep up with him.
Biggest disappointments for me this season were HLE and JDG, 2 teams that people expected to be contenders but instead are basically out of playoffs. I'm hoping that both teams either restructure hard or the top players go somewhere better. For example, I expect big offers from LPL for Chovy, especially with rumors that Rookie is finally retiring and RNG needs an upgrade. Or imagine if Chovy went to LNG to play with tarzan again .
personally im hoping chovy stays in korea. the thing i really respect about faker is how he decided he wanted to build his legacy in a korean team as a korean player, despite china offering huge amounts of money. chovy probably wont get that opportunity at t1 for a short while but hes undoubtedly the next great korean midlaner and i think the showmaker vs chovy rivalry would be incredible to watch if both stay in korea in successful teams.
I just want to see Chovy succeed, and I don't think he will get a realistic chance in LCK. I doubt NS, T1, DK want a new mid laner, heck even GenG might be happy with BDD. LPL has a lot of free spaces in the top teams.
I'm always torn when it comes to the players in LCK. On the one hand, I want to see them succeed wherever that is, but on the other hand I don't want LPL to just siphon all of the great LCK talent and leave LCK a shadow of its former self. Even if that shadow is still 2nd/3rd best region
Man, I thought that the GenG rookie was a good upgrade that the team needed (he's so aggressive!), but then Rascal subbed in and destroyed game 2.
And yet, neither of them could carry GenG to a win. Even Mountain Soul and Elder couldn't win them the game, just straight up outclassed. And with that loss GenG is now 5th.
Last week of LCK is going to be spicy. There's a real chance that Sandbox, Nongshim, T1, GenG and Damwon are all 12-6. Sandbox should beat KT, so if they lose to Damwon both would be 12-6, T1 should beat Hanwha and be 12-6. Nongshim have DRX and GenG, so a 1-1 is possible unless GenG continues to slide hard. GenG should be able to beat Fredit too.
On August 09 2021 01:09 chipmonklord17 wrote: Last week of LCK is going to be spicy. There's a real chance that Sandbox, Nongshim, T1, GenG and Damwon are all 12-6. Sandbox should beat KT, so if they lose to Damwon both would be 12-6, T1 should beat Hanwha and be 12-6. Nongshim have DRX and GenG, so a 1-1 is possible unless GenG continues to slide hard. GenG should be able to beat Fredit too.
Already one part of the hypothesis wrong. LSB losing to KT.
On August 19 2021 19:59 DarkCore wrote: What a messy 3-0 by T1, but they are probably still glad that they can even win series with that kind of score.
Yep, choices for r2 are out and they avoided DK so that's good!
On August 19 2021 19:59 DarkCore wrote: What a messy 3-0 by T1, but they are probably still glad that they can even win series with that kind of score.
aside from game 3 which was pretty tight i thought t1 looked very good today. lsb was definitely outclassed in games 1 and 2
Idk, T1 had a lead basically every game start but were unable to push it properly. It took T1 forever to crack LSB in game 2, even with a stupidly fed LB and Viego. I understand that scaling was a win condition, but I think T1 are still indecisive in the later stages of the game, and that's a big nono vs top LPL teams. Everyone on T1 looked better than their LSB counterpart besides maybe Canna, so they should've rolled over them.
All the more reason I enjoy seeing Oner play, he is so proactive and you can see that the soloQ carry mentality is still there.
T1 (SKT) vs Gen.G (Samsung) -> GenG is coming in angry at that failed season WE vs EDG -> Want to see EDG vs FPX Fnatic vs G2 (for a Worlds spot) -> G2 is washed up TSM vs C9 (for a Worlds spot) -> Idk anything about NA, this is just a guess
On August 22 2021 17:37 DarkCore wrote: T1 (SKT) vs Gen.G (Samsung) -> GenG is coming in angry at that failed season WE vs EDG -> Want to see EDG vs FPX Fnatic vs G2 (for a Worlds spot) -> G2 is washed up TSM vs C9 (for a Worlds spot) -> Idk anything about NA, this is just a guess
Can't wait to get all my predictions wrong.
T1>Gen.G (faker forever) WE>EDG (WE forever) G2>Fnatic (G2 at Worlds will do better) TSM>C9 (TSM at worlds is meme)
(this is what I want to see not what I think will happen!)
t1 has been making more mistakes today. they werent massive but significant enough to lose games. game 1 was an uphill battle from the start and game 2 and 3 were a huge draft diff. even up to game 3 though t1 is making small mistakes in their play so they gotta tighten things up if they want to go to game 5
Oh boy, HLE and NS fighting for that final Worlds spot, idk who to root for. On the one hand, NS are a great up and coming team, the experience would be invaluable for their rookies and I can see them performing well. But that would mean no Chovy + Deft at Worlds...
Imagine if HLE wins this series and then beats T1 for 3rd Worlds seed, the salt mines would be working overtime. HLE didn't even make it to playoffs this split because they were a dumpster fire, T1 made it to the finals by beating GenG, but somehow this hilarious scenario is still possible.
if hle didnt have such hopeless top jg then what a team they could be. anyways this worlds the 4 best lck mids and 5 best lck adcs are all attending so that should be pretty hype.
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