[Worlds] 2016 World Championship Group Stages - Page 39

On October 09 2016 11:48 Ethelis wrote:
I would love to see Bjergsen and Forgiven on a korean team with a (some?) english speaking koreans. Bjergsen has hit a wall in terms of team success and Forgiven is someone who is not only great (in the west) but doesn't seem he'd mind the korean way of training. Weren't Forgiven and Froggen rumored to being looked at to be imported to Korea at one point? Regardless of their results I think it'd be fun to see something like this.

On October 09 2016 10:34 Poopi wrote:

The russians have a shot against KR? I don't know any of their players, do they play on EU East? If so how come they were able to qualify...
EU West disappointing as expected, H2K gives an illusion of hope with onFire Ryu but it won't last.

On October 09 2016 10:31 GrandInquisitor wrote:
The same fucking thing happened as last year. NA does well week 1 but disappoints in week 2. It's like the entire region just goes on vacation in between the two weeks and doesn't prepare like the other teams do.

This game was lost starting from pick/ban. You know RNG is going to funnel everything they have into Uzi. You can't let their mid pick Aurelion Sol and protect him. And when he picks Ezreal/Nami you need a gameplan to shut him down. They had no plan. They instead first picked Jayce - has any Jayce been impactful so far in Worlds?

On October 09 2016 12:34 cLutZ wrote:


Jayce top is a classic Scrim Hero champ. He gets massive CS leads because he forces backs with ranged W and can't get engaged on 1v1 by melees because of his knock away. However, he is basically a poke champion at heart, which makes him a stupid TP carrier.

This TSM vs. RNG game demonstrates the problem to a T. On the first baron Haunter was pushing botlane and ended up taking 2 towers without TPing as RNG gets baron. But what if he did TP? He has to TP 15 seconds before the fight because you want to get off at least 2 QEs before you fight.

Edit:

Also RiotPls delete Aurelion Sol. Nothing worse than a noskill champ being must ban.

On October 09 2016 13:20 geript wrote:

To be fair, this is also a year where the #1 and #2 seeds aren't that far away in skill. The last two years gave us SSW who could only lose to themselves and SSB and the super contender SKT. There hasn't been a super dominant team in Korea; SKT was strong but in decline and Rox kept falling off towards end of season. KT was the best team end of summer but lost to Rox and SSG but a hair. In EU and NA the #1/#2 difference hasn't been what the records have suggested. I haven't followed Taiwan/China this year to talk about those differences reasonably, but coming into worlds there were obvious flaws for each team. Then NA has this tendency to do random and terrible P/B that put them super behind.

On October 09 2016 18:38 Kinie wrote:


In terms of China it was pretty clear that #1 was EDG right from the start of summer split, and it was a 3 man competition between RNG, Snake, and WE for who would be #2 and the supposed #3. I-May just spiked hard core at the end in the gauntlet and upset Snake and WE for the last slot, while RNG got in on circuit points thanks to two solid finishes in spring and summer splits.

SKT, KT, SSG, and ROX were all top 4 teams in Korea, with a pretty decent drop-off after those four. EU was just G2 stomping fools because of literal 0 competition, and NA had a similar problem of once the top 3 teams were decided (TSM, CLG, C9) the drop-off to the last 7 teams was so massive that the top 3 could only get better by scrimming each other, which can only get you so far.

Right now I'd argue that, in terms of overall league strength, it's Korea > China = NA > EU, with LMS and LCL probably in the nebulous area of, "better than EU but worse than NA." And sure, you might think me crazy for thinking that China's top teams are about as equal as the top NA teams, but this group stage so far makes me think that - in an ideal world where both regions have their teams in good health, good cooperation, good pick/ban and a good read on the meta (all things that can vary WILDLY) - the skill level of the players is about equal and we would probably see a lot of trading of games back and forth.

That sounds harsh, but in prior years it used to be Korea >>>>> China >>> NA = EU, with LMS and LCL also in that nebulous area of, "about as equal to NA and EU." The gap has closed, but now we have to see if the infrastructure put into place in TSM, C9, and CLG holds in the off-season, and if other teams start to pick it up and have it's players focus more on scrim/practice schedule and less on streaming.

On October 09 2016 11:51 ketchup wrote:


Forgiven is just as overrated as doublelift. No idea where that forgiven hype comes from.

On October 09 2016 23:25 Radoq wrote:
Yeah its sad you compare Stixxay to Forgiven lol.

Also didn't Stixxay got banned? Also wasnt exactly most humble player.

On October 09 2016 21:25 Redox wrote:

Same reason as Doublelift, "personality". Constantly involved in Twitter drama, gives spicy interviews etc. And with Forgiven you get the "edgy" bonus because he was supposed to be toxic which the kids love.
Then you have players like Stixxay and others who are probably more effective in game but noone cares about them because they just play.
Imo its kinda sad.

On October 09 2016 21:25 Redox wrote:

Same reason as Doublelift, "personality". Constantly involved in Twitter drama, gives spicy interviews etc. And with Forgiven you get the "edgy" bonus because he was supposed to be toxic which the kids love.
Then you have players like Stixxay and others who are probably more effective in game but noone cares about them because they just play.
Imo its kinda sad.