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Prog
United Kingdom1470 Posts
On October 09 2016 10:37 Sent. wrote: Cait and Jhin were banned and I wouldn't trust Doublelift's Jinx, he had to pick Lucian They could have just picked Ez in their first rotation. | ||
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Skitter
United States899 Posts
Now just need skt fw and imay to run a train on c9 | ||
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lilwisper
United States2515 Posts
On October 09 2016 10:38 Kinie wrote: Reggie was the coach for TSM, right? Get someone else to do pick/pan, this whole Worlds TSM's pick/ban has been questionable at best, and out-right bad at worst. It's like NA dumps its identity at the worse times. CLG did it on Thursday vs Nox. What the hell was that comp? And today tsm leaves sol up who they have been allergic to since the champ came out. Bjerg was auto pausing the second the game starts. | ||
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ghrur
United States3786 Posts
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Sent.
Poland9198 Posts
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Kinie
United States3106 Posts
Then what made them focus on banning Syndra (Bjerg's best champ so far this tourney) and Caitlyn (a strong ADC) on red side and leave up Aurelion Sol? Were they thinking RNG wouldn't first pick it and then take it + Braum on red side first rotation? Again, this whole tourney TSM's pick/ban has been very suspect. The core players I think are fine and should stick together for another year, but there has to be some sort of change (once again) in coaching staff, whether it's who does pick/ban, or getting the players to know how to pick up these new champions and how to play against them (whether that's laning phase, team fighting, or identifying lane counters). Again, group D was the group of death, 100%. TSM got the hardest draw out of any #1 team of their region and it showed; they went 1-1 vs. Samsung, 0-2 vs. RNG, and beat up on Splyce twice. And both of the losses to RNG were arguably losses due to pick/ban. On October 09 2016 10:45 Sent. wrote: Yeah I totally agree that TSM's pick ban was suboptimal but after Ezreal was locked in they had no choice but to pick Lucian. Is that due to DL not having another good ADC, or just TSM feeling that there isn't any other ADC worth playing right now, with top 4 being Jhin > Ezreal = Caitlyn > Lucian? What about Ashe, or Sivir? We've seen Sivir do a fair bit in the groups stage so far. If DL picked Sivir they could probably do better in lane phase and then in team fights if DL gets a lucky ricochet crit RNG's pack line gets decimated. | ||
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Sent.
Poland9198 Posts
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lilwisper
United States2515 Posts
On October 09 2016 10:42 Skitter wrote: NA rofl. Now just need skt fw and imay to run a train on c9 Honestly at this point NA should have its 3rd spot dropped and give it to either IWC or the FW/AHQ league. NA does nothing with it. | ||
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Kinie
United States3106 Posts
On October 09 2016 10:49 lilwisper wrote: Honestly at this point NA should have its 3rd spot dropped and give it to either IWC or the FW/AHQ league. NA does nothing with it. It's an issue of NA being big fish in little pond for top 3 teams and not fostering any sort of growth out of the region. Compare that to Korea where the top 3-5 teams could go to Worlds and compete for the title, and China constantly sending EDG and RNG to throw down with the Koreans to see if they can finally compete. EU was able to compete until G2 decided to pull an NA and just dumpster everyone in their region and then not show up for Worlds. | ||
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MooMooMugi
United States10531 Posts
vs IMay: They have to play against a sub support because Road is suspended. vs. C9: Ban out Meteos jungles and camp the shit out of Jensen mid vs. SKT: 4-0 track record and SKT's kryptonite | ||
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zer0das
United States8519 Posts
On October 09 2016 10:49 lilwisper wrote: Honestly at this point NA should have its 3rd spot dropped and give it to either IWC or the FW/AHQ league. NA does nothing with it. Should take away Europe's #1 and #3 seeds while you're at it and give them to Russia, Brazil, and Turkey. They'd probably do something with them. | ||
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Slusher
United States19143 Posts
On October 09 2016 10:44 Kinie wrote: Then what made them focus on banning Syndra (Bjerg's best champ so far this tourney) and Caitlyn (a strong ADC) on red side and leave up Aurelion Sol? Were they thinking RNG wouldn't first pick it and then take it + Braum on red side first rotation? Again, this whole tourney TSM's pick/ban has been very suspect. The core players I think are fine and should stick together for another year, but there has to be some sort of change (once again) in coaching staff, whether it's who does pick/ban, or getting the players to know how to pick up these new champions and how to play against them (whether that's laning phase, team fighting, or identifying lane counters). Again, group D was the group of death, 100%. TSM got the hardest draw out of any #1 team of their region and it showed; they went 1-1 vs. Samsung, 0-2 vs. RNG, and beat up on Splyce twice. And both of the losses to RNG were arguably losses due to pick/ban. Is that due to DL not having another good ADC, or just TSM feeling that there isn't any other ADC worth playing right now, with top 4 being Jhin > Ezreal = Caitlyn > Lucian? What about Ashe, or Sivir? We've seen Sivir do a fair bit in the groups stage so far. If DL picked Sivir they could probably do better in lane phase and then in team fights if DL gets a lucky ricochet crit RNG's pack line gets decimated. First brick gold makes getting dumpstered in lane a big problem, prolly afraid to pick sivir into nami. I mean it's uzi if you pick a weak lane he will punish you. | ||
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Sent.
Poland9198 Posts
On October 09 2016 10:44 Kinie wrote: Then what made them focus on banning Syndra (Bjerg's best champ so far this tourney) and Caitlyn (a strong ADC) on red side and leave up Aurelion Sol? Were they thinking RNG wouldn't first pick it and then take it + Braum on red side first rotation? Again, this whole tourney TSM's pick/ban has been very suspect. The core players I think are fine and should stick together for another year, but there has to be some sort of change (once again) in coaching staff, whether it's who does pick/ban, or getting the players to know how to pick up these new champions and how to play against them (whether that's laning phase, team fighting, or identifying lane counters). Again, group D was the group of death, 100%. TSM got the hardest draw out of any #1 team of their region and it showed; they went 1-1 vs. Samsung, 0-2 vs. RNG, and beat up on Splyce twice. And both of the losses to RNG were arguably losses due to pick/ban. Is that due to DL not having another good ADC, or just TSM feeling that there isn't any other ADC worth playing right now, with top 4 being Jhin > Ezreal = Caitlyn > Lucian? What about Ashe, or Sivir? We've seen Sivir do a fair bit in the groups stage so far. If DL picked Sivir they could probably do better in lane phase and then in team fights if DL gets a lucky ricochet crit RNG's pack line gets decimated. He used to play Ashe and Sivir and I don't remember him being particularly bad on those two but that was long time ago so maybe it's different now. Sivir would be a good pick but I think they picked Lucian because A) Doublelift insisted or B) they didn't trust him to play something without an escape. | ||
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Ethelis
United States2396 Posts
On October 09 2016 11:02 zer0das wrote: Should take away Europe's #1 and #3 seeds while you're at it and give them to Russia, Brazil, and Turkey. They'd probably do something with them. Think historically... | ||
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usopsama
6502 Posts
On October 09 2016 10:42 Skitter wrote: NA rofl. Now just need skt fw and imay to run a train on c9 This. | ||
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zer0das
United States8519 Posts
I mean one team doing well doesn't particularly offset the rest of Europe as a region. And a third of league history had the awful format of regional champions playing 0 games when everyone else had played 8. Anyways, Europe sucks right now so that's all that really matters. You got one team slipping through and a European team masquerading as a wild card doing something (I'm sure Teamliquid would love the chance to do that- oops too late they imploded as a team). | ||
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Kinie
United States3106 Posts
On October 09 2016 11:06 Slusher wrote: First brick gold makes getting dumpstered in lane a big problem, prolly afraid to pick sivir into nami. I mean it's uzi if you pick a weak lane he will punish you. First brick gold is the dumbest thing Riot's done to competitive in a long time. There's also the issue that the junglers in the Worlds meta are really strong early lane junglers who can farm fast and engage in the 3 or 4 man dives on top, mid, or bot. Once lane phase ends they fall out of relevancy and just devolve into front liners with minor pick potential (or you're Lee Sin and are relying on an Insec kick to win your team the fight). I thought Sivir + Braum goes equal with Ezreal + Nami because of spell shield, and that it's just reliant on your jungler and support to provide enough vision outside of bot lane to give fair warning of an impending dive. | ||
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Ansibled
United Kingdom9872 Posts
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Gahlo
United States35150 Posts
Fuck Samsung. | ||
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Ansibled
United Kingdom9872 Posts
On October 09 2016 11:33 Gahlo wrote: Well, at least H2K got out of groups. Fuck Samsung. Rude | ||
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