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I was thinking about H2K's performances and I think whoever prepares their early game deserves the most blame.
Against AHQ Jankos at level 1 facechecked solo into Olaf's axe and had to burn his flash. Then he moves bot and is about to tower dive 3v2 but realizes he doesn't have flash and backs off. Few moments later Odo gives up first blood 1v2.
Against EDG Vander facecheks the tribush at level 1 and ruins the lane. He died to Jhin's 4th shot instead of recalling.
In both games they made inexcusable mistakes at level 1 and didn't adjust their play to minimize the loses. I don't know if it's choking, bad luck or lack of preparation but they need to make sure those things won't happen again.
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In re guards to damage distribution by % Faker did 25.8% of his teams damage to bang's 31.7% in their match vs c9. But watching the game it's pretty clear Faker's lead is dictating what kind of plays c9 can go for.
I think a stat like this suffers extraordinarily from small sample size because context matters too much across 3 games (2 champions in this case)
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On October 03 2016 18:02 geript wrote:
Every time that Korea loses I just see major draft issues. The real question is: will anybody else be dumb enough to give CLG the Caitlyn-dragon-thunder-cow comp?
Draft issues and the ability to stall from behind forever. I can't read Korean, but Inven probably isn't freaking out that much.
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i feel like this is the most games koreans have dropped ever at worlds though.
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On October 04 2016 04:50 ticklishmusic wrote:
i feel like this is the most games koreans have dropped ever at worlds though.
It isn't. Most of the time they dropped ~3 games in groups. Then they drop games in bracket stage. So unless this keeps up it's pretty par for the course. The format is just designed to generate most hype by obscuring strength until next phase.
Example is season 4 where they dropped 8 in total to non-Koreans. NWS, may your legacy never be overtaken. Although Samsung may try hard to be worse than them lol.
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Didn't NJWS lose more singlehandedly?
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Nah NJWS only dropped 2 in groups but then got 3-0ed in quarters lol.
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I don't get much of a read on week1 as far as Koreans are concerned. Just seems like typical not taking week 1 seriously.
Rox for example played nocturne once in the lck and it was vs a bottom place team. Gorilla is known for saying Soraka is one of his favorite champions. Pretty sure that was a pick whatever you want to play comp.
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On October 04 2016 06:01 Slusher wrote:
I don't get much of a read on week1 as far as Koreans are concerned. Just seems like typical not taking week 1 seriously.
Rox for example played nocturne once in the lck and it was vs a bottom place team. Gorilla is known for saying Soraka is one of his favorite champions. Pretty sure that was a pick whatever you want to play comp.
Agreed, I don't think ROX and SKT were even trying in their games, which is quite telling considering they went 2-1 and they weren't even trying.
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I thought China was supposed to be the sandbagging region. Memes coming full circle.
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Korea not trying their hardest and not taking other regions/teams seriously is nothing new. Why try your hardest when your opponents aren't worth it? Wait until your facing a team that calls for tryhard mode. They do it all the time.
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GrandInquisitor
New York City13113 Posts
I don't think it's that they are sandbagging, it's that they don't want to reveal too much about their pick/ban strategies at this point. Kkoma and all of the other coaches have like a sealed box called like TRYHARD PICK/BAN STRATS that the players are forbidden to look at until they really, really need to win a particular game.
This is incidentally one of the reasons NA did so poorly last year. They went whole hog and just laid everything on the table, naked as you can be, in week 1. When week 2 rolled around, they tried to do the same thing, but everyone else had figured them out. I hope for their sake they spend the intervening days working on adapting their pick/ban to what they've seen in week 1.
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To me sandbagging and not tryharding are two completely different things, GI hit what I was trying to imply on the head.
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Let's also not forget why sandbagging is a meme:
When asked why seemingly elite CN teams like LGD were so inconsistent, nearly every Chinese "expert" said sandbagging instead of discussing and pointing out flaws in those teams.
This was the equivalent of at the halfway mark of S6 Summer Monte, Papa, DoA, Achillos, and half the posters on this forum that watch OGN saying "SKT is sandbagging" instead of discussing thier junglers or wolf being the facecheck king, etc.
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GrandInquisitor
New York City13113 Posts
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/9rfkE59.png?1)
Y-axis is damage %
X-axis is gold %
It's very interesting to see the huge disparity among top laners. NA has both the most expensive top laner (Hauntzer) and the cheapest top laner (Darshan). Next most disparity is among ADCs. Other than chawy and xiaohu, Mid is very compressed, just like Jungle and Support.
BANG FOR THE BUCK (high damage %, low gold %)
The top/ADC outliers at the top of the graph are Ziv Deft. Right below them are Athena/Maple in mid lane. In the jungle, Bengi gets less gold than any other jungler but does pretty well for himself damage-wise. A special shout-out to Doublelift who has the least gold out of any ADC but is average in damage.
EXPENSIVE LUXURIES (high damage %, high gold %)
On the far right, Uzi takes up way more gold than anyone else on any team, but at least mostly justifies that investment. The same is true for Likkrit and CoreJJ on support, PvPStejos on jungle, and Hauntzer/Odoamne top.
CHEAP AND YOU GET WHAT YOU PAY FOR (low damage %, low gold %)
xiaohu stands alone as far as mid laners with basically no gold invested into him, and he does exactly as you'd expect in terms of damage. Darshan is the same, with both the lowest gold % and damage %. (Yes, even less than Mouse.)
THROWING MONEY AWAY (low damage %, high gold %)
By contrast, Expect has the highest gold % out of any top laner but is fourth to last in terms of damage %. Chawy is similar though not quite as egregious. ClearLove is the richest jungler but only average damage-wise.
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While I think your chart is interesting and a cool read, I feel the contrast you painted using mouse shows just how bad damage% suffers extraordinarily under small sample size(as a measurement of quality of play)
mouse had a 16.9% to darshan's 16.4 (curious if our math is the same) but I told you Darshan had 2 poppy games (pure tank) and 1 Gnar game (1 damage item tank) while Mouse played Poppy once(pure tank) while logging 2 games of a greedy double damage item Irelia it paints mouse's "lead" in an entirely different light.
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GrandInquisitor
New York City13113 Posts
Agreed. This chart assumes that you only care about funneling gold to players so that they can do damage. It completely ignores all other things that gold can do: help you tank, or fight for vision.
In that sense I think it is most useful for ADCs and Mids. Those roles have almost no excuse for spending their gold anywhere else.
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On October 05 2016 02:23 GrandInquisitor wrote:Y-axis is damage % X-axis is gold % It's very interesting to see the huge disparity among top laners. NA has both the most expensive top laner (Hauntzer) and the cheapest top laner (Darshan). Next most disparity is among ADCs. Other than chawy and xiaohu, Mid is very compressed, just like Jungle and Support. BANG FOR THE BUCK (high damage %, low gold %) The top/ADC outliers at the top of the graph are Ziv Deft. Right below them are Athena/Maple in mid lane. In the jungle, Bengi gets less gold than any other jungler but does pretty well for himself damage-wise. A special shout-out to Doublelift who has the least gold out of any ADC but is average in damage. EXPENSIVE LUXURIES (high damage %, high gold %) On the far right, Uzi takes up way more gold than anyone else on any team, but at least mostly justifies that investment. The same is true for Likkrit and CoreJJ on support, PvPStejos on jungle, and Hauntzer/Odoamne top. CHEAP AND YOU GET WHAT YOU PAY FOR (low damage %, low gold %) xiaohu stands alone as far as mid laners with basically no gold invested into him, and he does exactly as you'd expect in terms of damage. Darshan is the same, with both the lowest gold % and damage %. (Yes, even less than Mouse.) THROWING MONEY AWAY (low damage %, high gold %) By contrast, Expect has the highest gold % out of any top laner but is fourth to last in terms of damage %. Chawy is similar though not quite as egregious. ClearLove is the richest jungler but only average damage-wise.
This is cool, but pretty worthless imo. They've played 3 games so far. Statistically speaking, you can't draw anything from this. I only, it'd be more interesting to see if and/or how damage share and gold share have changed for teams in comparison to their last 10 games. It would also be interesting to see damage share and gold share of the opposing laner; it could give us an idea if specific players warp their opponents gold share in a meaningful in game benefit. That said, I'd be far more interested to learn gold share by minute mark per team as that would give an idea of how teams try to distribute their power share.
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God damn it G2, stop giving me hope
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