EPTIt'sthe same reason they lost the fight in clgs base he e'd at Stixxay giving Darshan the stun that turned the fight and perhaps the game. In the monte video he walks right past kindred, who he could have put damage on from outside Azir's range, to try to get to Stixxay
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Slusher
United States19143 Posts
It'sthe same reason they lost the fight in clgs base he e'd at Stixxay giving Darshan the stun that turned the fight and perhaps the game. In the monte video he walks right past kindred, who he could have put damage on from outside Azir's range, to try to get to Stixxay | ||
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KissBlade
United States5718 Posts
On May 08 2016 07:20 Slusher wrote: That Monte video is funny when combined with the post game interview with Stixxay. He basically said Wuxx seemed overly obsessed with killing him(stixxay), and they took advantage of it in teamfights. It'sthe same reason they lost the fight in clgs base he e'd at Stixxay giving Darshan the stun that turned the fight and perhaps the game. RNG could've just straight up closed at that fight. Xiaohu already picked Azir off burning nothing except the deathmark. The mid inhibit (final inhibit was open) and Darshan whiffed his ult already. So you were looking at a 5v4 without Azir versus supers in base. RNG literally had to do everything wrong in order to get that lose outcome. | ||
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oo_Wonderful_oo
The land of freedom23126 Posts
On May 08 2016 06:48 RagequitBM wrote: Faith!!! Darshan knew all along also, when are we allowed to give stixxay some credit? I know it's the cool thing to do to hate on him, but he has some insane stats. Why do we still act like he isn't a good player? While ADCs with worse stats are praised If Stixxay is American, it doesn't make him better than Steeelback was in Fnatic. And Steeelback had way better numbers as well. | ||
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Slusher
United States19143 Posts
On May 08 2016 07:41 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote: If Stixxay is American, it doesn't make him better than Steeelback was in Fnatic. And Steeelback had way better numbers as well. What stats are you comparing? Reg season vs regular season or msi vs msi? | ||
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dsyxelic
United States1417 Posts
the amount of gold stixxay gets is unreal though of ALL roles he gets 2% above 2nd most crazy | ||
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Goumindong
United States3529 Posts
On May 08 2016 08:56 dsyxelic wrote: in terms of stats stixxay does look good even though bang is still top in that regard for adc's the amount of gold stixxay gets is unreal though of ALL roles he gets 2% above 2nd most crazy CLG most definitely has AD as their top farm priority. Its one of the reasons why Huhi looks to underperform sometimes compared to other mid laners* *Not that he doesn't straight underperform, But you combine that with low farm due to third priority and he looks downright bad | ||
NeoIllusions
United States37500 Posts
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Gahlo
United States35165 Posts
On May 08 2016 06:48 RagequitBM wrote: Faith!!! Darshan knew all along also, when are we allowed to give stixxay some credit? I know it's the cool thing to do to hate on him, but he has some insane stats. Why do we still act like he isn't a good player? While ADCs with worse stats are praised He has definitely been legit at MSI. On May 08 2016 04:25 Fusilero wrote: Minor correction, it was CJ not Jin Air at Katowice Ah, right. I sometime gets awful Korean teams confused. :> | ||
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dsyxelic
United States1417 Posts
On May 08 2016 09:17 Goumindong wrote: CLG most definitely has AD as their top farm priority. Its one of the reasons why Huhi looks to underperform sometimes compared to other mid laners* *Not that he doesn't straight underperform, But you combine that with low farm due to third priority and he looks downright bad both darshan and huhi really (though darshan has been losing matchups straight up alot lol) both are bottom of gold% for their roles only darshan is 2nd to last above fabfabulous lol xmithie 2nd to last as well above stomaged so yeah the rest of clg are funneling a bunch of gold to stixxay | ||
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Itsmedudeman
United States19229 Posts
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oo_Wonderful_oo
The land of freedom23126 Posts
Not like I'm against it, if they're in semifinals against Flash Wolves, but still. | ||
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BrownBear
United States6894 Posts
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Goumindong
United States3529 Posts
Additionally disruption works less well if your AP cannot capitalize. So he is probably playing the right champions. | ||
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iCanada
Canada10660 Posts
On May 08 2016 07:22 KissBlade wrote: RNG could've just straight up closed at that fight. Xiaohu already picked Azir off burning nothing except the deathmark. The mid inhibit (final inhibit was open) and Darshan whiffed his ult already. So you were looking at a 5v4 without Azir versus supers in base. RNG literally had to do everything wrong in order to get that lose outcome. I think it is fair to say that RNG probably should have won that game to stay undefeated. They threw real hard. That being said, only reason they were undefeated in the first place is CLG fucked up their siege comp real hard in the tournament opener. Twice CLG was in full control, with a numbers advantage, and Aphro / Darshan just didn't zone on the tower so Stixxay could kill it, then they got flank engaged on. Even with Flash, an Ali should never be able to Combo onto the back line of a siege comp the way he did twice in positions where CLG had no threat of getting engaged on at all if Darshan / Aphro just did their job. Both of those fights, CLG lost the fight hard (+1k gold given to RNG), then lost out on a free tower kill (-2k gold for CLG), and then had RNG take a tower of their own on the back of the teamfight cleanup. (+2k gold for RNG). Twice they basically threw away 5k gold for a total swing give away of 10k, and at the end of the game the gold was dead even. They basically had full control the whole time until they gave it away because Darshan / Aphro didn't know what their job was in the comp, and then they were still even / ahead. Imo CLG's throws in the tournament opener are more egregious than RNG's in this latest game where CLG won. | ||
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Kyo Yuy
United States1286 Posts
On May 08 2016 11:46 iCanada wrote: I won't disagree that most of CLG's wins were very scrappy and back and forth.I think it is fair to say that RNG probably should have won that game to stay undefeated. They threw real hard. That being said, only reason they were undefeated in the first place is CLG fucked up their siege comp real hard in the tournament opener. Twice CLG was in full control, with a numbers advantage, and Aphro / Darshan just didn't zone on the tower so Stixxay could kill it, then they got flank engaged on. Even with Flash, an Ali should never be able to Combo onto the back line of a siege comp the way he did twice in positions where CLG had no threat of getting engaged on at all if Darshan / Aphro just did their job. Both of those fights, CLG lost the fight hard (+1k gold given to RNG), then lost out on a free tower kill (-2k gold for CLG), and then had RNG take a tower of their own on the back of the teamfight cleanup. (+2k gold for RNG). Twice they basically threw away 5k gold for a total swing give away of 10k, and at the end of the game the gold was dead even. They basically had full control the whole time until they gave it away because Darshan / Aphro didn't know what their job was in the comp, and then they were still even / ahead. Imo CLG's throws in the tournament opener are more egregious than RNG's in this latest game where CLG won. That said, a win is a win. Let's not take credit away from CLG for taking games off RNG and SKT. | ||
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fantasticoranges
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Itsmedudeman
United States19229 Posts
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iCanada
Canada10660 Posts
On May 08 2016 12:45 Kyo Yuy wrote: I won't disagree that most of CLG's wins were very scrappy and back and forth. That said, a win is a win. Let's not take credit away from CLG for taking games off RNG and SKT. Oh definitely, was just pointing out how frequent it is that people discount wins NA / EU get over China / Korea, when often in China / Korea's wins they take advantage of the same mistakes on the other side. I think there is a bit of a double standard. Every team will make mistakes, its about being good enough to capitalize on them. If you aren't good enough you wont be able to capitalize on those mistakes. On May 08 2016 13:14 Itsmedudeman wrote: Did the games start earlier today? Sure did. By about 2 hours or so. Weird imo, you'd think the weekend games would start later. | ||
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fantasticoranges
1327 Posts
On May 08 2016 13:14 Itsmedudeman wrote: Did the games start earlier today? By about 2 hours, first game just ended so schedule is right on track. | ||
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