2015 Worlds Knockout Stage Quarterfinal #3 - Page 64

On October 18 2015 03:29 LimpingGoat wrote:
It's so sad that the Korean Exodus happened because regardless of who wins Worlds this year the level of the best team is way lower than it would have been had it not happened.

On October 18 2015 03:33 TheYango wrote:
In retrospect it seems silly because the ostensible reason (probably not the real one) for enforcing one-team-per-organization in Korea was to improve exposure for low-mid level teams, but the end result was probably the top-heaviest season of OGN since it's inception.

On October 18 2015 03:33 TheYango wrote:
In retrospect it seems silly because the ostensible reason (probably not the real one) for enforcing one-team-per-organization in Korea was to improve exposure for low-mid level teams, but the end result was probably the top-heaviest season of OGN since it's inception.

On October 18 2015 03:32 Sufficiency wrote:


We don't know that for sure. It's a different season and a different meta; there was no guarantee that White/Blue would succeed again in Korea.

Also remember they have Imp/Dade who are known to be... well, inconsistent.

On October 18 2015 03:35 Sufficiency wrote:

Except before the one-team-per-organization rule, there wasn't even a SBENU or Anarchy.

On October 18 2015 03:36 TheYango wrote:

Sure, but that's because the big organizations were able to sponsor more teams.

The 10th best team is the 10th best team. It doesn't matter who owns it.

On October 18 2015 03:38 Sufficiency wrote:
Were players in those teams previously in big organizations?

On October 18 2015 03:38 Azarkon wrote:
I think what he's saying is that it doesn't matter whether the organization is big.

Some food for thought for teams that are considering buying out Forgiven from his contract:
There are many aspects of his gameplay and behavior discussed all the time on the social media, his mechanics, his agressiveness, his toxicity, his hairline...But there is one aspect that never got the attention it deserved, his consistency.
Some players perform much better in scrims than they do on LAN tournaments. There are countless of those examples since teams are really public about it to justify or excuse their performance. I am not going to call out any1 in specific, most of the players play a bit more passive or more clumsy on LANs than they do in scrims, the difference is not always noticeble to the audience but their teammates or the players facing them can tell. This is a bad trait for obvious reasons and makes the player performance inconsistent.
Some players on the other hand perform much better on LANs than they do in scrims. This group is a bit more rare and is discussed much less often and you would think "well this is great, what is the problem in that". But this type of performance is also problematic, it usually leads to bad scrims and consequently bad training. Which you might have guessed by now leads to inconsistent and overall worse team performance than they would have if they could train under the same conditions that they play.
Then comes the rarest group of them all, the people who play the same in scrims and in tournaments. Forgiven is one of those people, he tryhards the same whether he faces a lvl 27 13 years old kid or Faker. There is no difference for him, no nerves versus the best opponents, no trolling or taking it easy versus the worst opponents. This attitude is what makes his play consistent, and consistent on a high levels too.
I once had a conversation with the sport psychologist Weldon Green while working on my own stage performance issues. He said to me that the goal for elite athletes is to make the conditions of training as close to the tournament setting as possible, and vice versa and ultimately be mindful in every game so that my performance is not affected by the environment, my condition, my feelings, but only by the practice that i have done. That is what Forgiven has mastered without even noticing, and that is a skill that is extremely hard to train and would take you several months to learn, let alone master it, believe me i tried.
So if nothing else if you are aiming for serious results with your team and you have a coaching staff that knows what they are doing it is worth to give him a try only because he is the embodiement of "what you see is what you get" so you cant go wrong.

On October 18 2015 04:04 oneofthem wrote:
lets see kt > fnc to antihype this whole thing

On October 18 2015 04:11 crimethinking wrote:

"Thou shalt not pass you fraud." - Nagne