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Leeto
Profile Joined August 2007
United States1320 Posts
May 10 2015 21:14 GMT
#6721
Kobe hovering that Nunu haha
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
May 10 2015 21:14 GMT
#6722
LOL SO TROLL
liftlift > tsm
SkrollK
Profile Joined January 2015
France580 Posts
May 10 2015 21:14 GMT
#6723
SWAIN ADC TOO OP.

HUNI NOT FRAUD
Radoq
Profile Joined January 2015
1809 Posts
May 10 2015 21:15 GMT
#6724
BM!
739
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Bearded Elder29903 Posts
May 10 2015 21:15 GMT
#6725
XWX RIP
WriterSalty oldboy that loves memes | One and only back-to-back Liquibet Winner
KissBlade
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States5718 Posts
May 10 2015 21:15 GMT
#6726
Of course XiaoXiao will die first on Sona xD
MooMooMugi
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States10531 Posts
May 10 2015 21:16 GMT
#6727
On May 11 2015 06:15 739 wrote:
XWX RIP

That is Xiaoxiao invictius gaming's old support not XWX of team impulse LMAFO
|LoL & SC2 IGN both my username| Just livin' the baylife| Hearthstone ID: MooMooMugi#1544| Dank Memer since 2011
739
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Bearded Elder29903 Posts
May 10 2015 21:16 GMT
#6728
LOL ENERGY
WriterSalty oldboy that loves memes | One and only back-to-back Liquibet Winner
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
May 10 2015 21:17 GMT
#6729
lmao energy. lol. kobe!!!
liftlift > tsm
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
May 10 2015 21:18 GMT
#6730
report misaya plz.
liftlift > tsm
krndandaman
Profile Joined August 2009
Mozambique16569 Posts
May 10 2015 21:18 GMT
#6731
--- Nuked ---
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
May 10 2015 21:20 GMT
#6732
lmao phreak. rekt
liftlift > tsm
739
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Bearded Elder29903 Posts
May 10 2015 21:20 GMT
#6733
Phreak exposed.
WriterSalty oldboy that loves memes | One and only back-to-back Liquibet Winner
TitusVI
Profile Joined April 2013
Germany8319 Posts
May 10 2015 21:21 GMT
#6734
thoorin and richard lewis in a team vs prheak and jatt-team would be funny
Science>Mechanics
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
May 10 2015 21:21 GMT
#6735
On May 11 2015 05:44 Azarkon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 11 2015 05:33 chosenkerrigan wrote:
On May 11 2015 05:26 Azarkon wrote:
On May 11 2015 04:49 chosenkerrigan wrote:
On May 11 2015 04:34 Azarkon wrote:
On May 10 2015 21:51 Ansibled wrote:
If SKT win this tournament, I doubt a foreign team will ever win an international event* again. This event is not only at a time where Korea has been at its weakest in years due to the loss of talent into other regions, but also heavily stacked against SKT in terms of the amount of preparation and travel time they had.

*with a decent format and the best teams


As much hype as MSI is getting, mainly due to TSM getting dunked and Fnatic going to Game 5 vs. SKT, Worlds is going to be the ultimate test of eSports theories regarding infrastructure vs. talent vs. gaming culture.


If EDG crushes SKT --> China No.1 region finally, KR second, TW/EU/NA, then wild card.
If EDG barely beats SKT --> China/KR very close, hard to draw any more conclusions.
If SKT barely beats EDG --> same as above
If SKT crushes EDG --> there's no hope for other regions in League anymore


Even though it sounds wrong, SKT crushing EDG and specifically Pawn & Deft is in fact a positive outcome for other regions and the development of LoL.

Why?

Because it shows that there isn't a disparity in raw talent. The disparity is in coaching/preparation/attitude/infrastructure. Korean tier 1 players going to China and regressing to Chinese level after a while shows that it isn't Chinese players who are the problem, but the environment. Such an outcome encourages teams to stick with local talent, limits the amount of imports, and results in concrete strategies for improvement ie fix the environment. It gives hope to both players and viewers that their region is capable of improving and eventually closing the gap.

By contrast, the worst outcome is the 2nd/3rd, because the conclusion from EDG ~ SKT is that the only way for a region to improve to Korea's level is to import the best Korean players with big $$$. Such a conclusion results in the devaluing of local players, the inflation of top Korean players' net worth, and in the long run, it results in a scene where every other region is still irrelevant except insofar as they're able to poach Korean players. That is, the Korean hype train not only survives, but stifles infrastructural improvements in other regions via making them believe it's their players who are the problem.

The first outcome is equally bad, but not in the same way, because EDG crushing SKT simply replaces LCK >>> world with LPL >>> world due to LPL $$$ >>> world. $$$ being the decider introduces all sorts of problems and in a way, cheapens the competition because the richest team is simply able to buy itself to victory. Further, the Chinese billionaires won't be passionate about eSports forever, and when the $$$ dries up, it's going to be back to LCK >>> world, so it doesn't solve jack.

To which end, we ought to hope, not despair, that SKT crushes EDG.


As I said in a previous post, I consider KR exodus a catalyst for LPL scene. China has everything to be the best region in Lol: the money, the popularity, and the talents. As long as they innovate and dictate the meta and playstyle like Koreans did for the past two years, I have no doubt they will eventually surpass KR. One of the most noticeable innovation in this meta was smite-top first adopted by Flandre. We need to see this type of innovation keep coming out of LPL.


You see it as a catalyst. Other people see it as a crutch. I don't know how the managers in China see it but from listening to their translated interviews, they were bitching about Chinese players' work ethic after S4 Worlds so I imagine they do see Korean players as an upgrade. That's what's negative about this import/export process. When you start seeing your own region's players as liabilities - which NA started doing even before China, it creates a negative feedback loop in which the end result = SC 2 outside of Korea: http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2014_WCS_Global_Finals

Of course, with the 2/5 restriction it won't ever get that bad in LoL, but still, when your teams get the idea that they need to spend millions importing Koreans in order to hold up, that's not a great situation to be in. It's an even worse situation to have to sabotage the Korean scene eg poach their best players & destroy their teams in order to compete because that results in worse competition for everyone.


I actually just see it as lowering the bar. Its hamstringing the most competitive region, which if it had not occurred would have had an even more consolidated talent pool. If the exodus had not occurred there would be 4-5 teams in KR right now that are ~ SKT's level, one of which would surely have ended up being a super-elite team.
Freeeeeeedom
AsnSensation
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany24009 Posts
May 10 2015 21:22 GMT
#6736
xiaoxiao's legendary sona haha
Doctorbeat
Profile Joined May 2011
Netherlands13241 Posts
May 10 2015 21:22 GMT
#6737
Phreak a shit.
- TEAM LIQUID - doctorbeat on LoL
krndandaman
Profile Joined August 2009
Mozambique16569 Posts
May 10 2015 21:23 GMT
#6738
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KissBlade
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States5718 Posts
May 10 2015 21:23 GMT
#6739
Man Thaldrin is such a hype killer. Who the hell picks LB in a trollmatch XD.
Saradin
Profile Joined January 2015
456 Posts
May 10 2015 21:24 GMT
#6740
There's also the aspect of disparity in quality of experience.
For example, raw talent aside (where talent is referring to specifically the innate aptitude for something an individual is born with), TSM's performance highlights how NA LCS teams never managed to take advantage of their weaknesses that teams at MSI exploited.
It's not just that there aren't enough talented teams in NA LCS to make TSM learn. The teams aren't skilled enough, where skill here refers to the end product of talent + coaching (infrastructure) + experience (game sense developed from doing or encountering firsthand). I suggest that in addition to attitude, there is also a disparity in the quantity of higher level game sense/knowledge bringing down the efficiency and limits of training. And game knowledge is something that is much more reliably and efficiently transmitted from someone already versed in it, as opposed to depending on isolated organic growth randomly coming across it (see: the phrase REINVENTING THE FREAKING WHEEL) (see: NA being canine feces in S2/S3 as the results of their all-natural growth).
Something I take away from interviews with Adrian and Apollo of Impulse is how Impact is not just still a really good player, but he has a wealth of knowledge/insight from his experience to share. That's something NA needs more of. NA needs more instruction and experience. Higher quality coaches and players should continued to be brought in as NA LCS players flat out need more teaching and exposure to higher play. They need regular, firsthand experience to expand their limits of 'What things can be done in this game', 'How can I respond to so and so situation', 'What are things I can look out for to assess the state of the game', etc. etc.
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