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On May 07 2015 02:12 Lost My Will To Live wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2015 00:44 oneofthem wrote:
problem is this poster's opinion on tsm isn't backed up by any sort of reasoning. it's not shitposting because it supports tsm, but because it's oneliners that are pretty much designed to provoke a reaction. do that with your tsm friends Does being a fan need a reasoning? Do you expect fans to be rational? That's what being a fan is called. Yelling at the refs even though you know your team committed a foul, booing the other team for no apparent reason, supporting your team regardless of good/bad. That's what being a fan is called. There's no rationality behind being a fan, and that's why regardless of how bad some of these posts are or how ridiculous they may seem, there's no point of us actioning them. Because that's what being a fan is all about. Trash talking other teams, provoking other fans, etc. That's nothing new. As long as they don't cross the line, there's nothing we're going to do about it. If you want them to shut up, feel free to do the same if their team loses. Being a fan is like riding a roller coaster. There'll be highs and lows, ups and downs. This is essentially a LR thread, and that's what LR threads have been all about in the past. It's not about to change now. Now continue rooting for your favorite team and let's stop complaining about shitposting in LR threads. These threads are meant to be light-hearted, for people to cheer their teams on and enjoy themselves. If things go off-topic or people cross the line, then feel free to report.
i don't really care about 'shit posting', only used the term because it seems to be the operative standard for this forum.
it's actually a term with some ambiguous interpretation, one is valid, the other invalid. the valid interpretation of shit posting is non-constructive or worthless content. the invalid interpretation is a formalistic/legalistic rule against certain type of posting. 'shit posting' after all is borrowing the language of objective quality to describe a more complex disagreement with someone's thoughts/values.
shit posting to me, in its valid usage, is basically a simple insult not against the type of post but the message/fandom contained in that post. it's no different from sarcasm or simply saying "tsm is shit" except it's rendered, however incorrectly, in a sort of objective language. it's only when moderators use shit posting as an excuse to quash opinions that this sort of misplaced concreteness matters.
i don't much care about shit posting but if rabid fandom is okay it's also okay to ridicule that fandom. this activity of ridiculing the rabid fans, or just fans of teams you don't like, should be okay as well as long as it's not some personal attack.
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On May 07 2015 04:44 DarkCore wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2015 04:39 Fusilero wrote:
Cheer for Taiwan, where any win internationally is worth breaking out the champagne for. It's nice to have small goals that mean so much. I haven't watched AHQ in a while, but Westdoor hype! Anyone else on their team to look out for?
Mountain had a pretty good playoffs, seems to be a big beneficiary of the cinderhulk patch. AN suddenly got good for playoffs in spite of being borderline Taiwanese zoonie all split. Ziv is unremarkable and albis at support is lomo but hey they just went 9-1 with him so who am I to judge.
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Yeah I am actually convinced everyone here is just trolling me with their "TSM has no chance to win MSI", why are you guys all playing out persona's of people that see things differently than me? Everyone knows you either agree with the way I see things or you literally cannot actually exist.
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On May 07 2015 04:50 krndandaman wrote:
faker should be playing vs TSM
I mean he already said in an interview he really wants to play vs bjergsen so if him, the fans, and riot are denied that it's going to be a lot of parties upset
though i'm sure kkoma doesn't give a fuck
At this point I'm convinced kkoma is aware of it all and wants to troll us as hard as possible.
I will bet money that Easyhoon will start in the playoffs for sure though. Pretty sure the whole reason Easyhoon starts is so that when they decide to pull out a member after a loss it won't cause a shitstorm like it would if Faker got benched. It could never EVER be the other way around.
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I think the most common predictions amongst the various experts and analysts we have in the scene will be the following.
1. SKT.
2. EDG.
3. TSM.
4. FNC.
5. AHQ.
6. BJK.
SK Telecom and EDG are probably somewhat close, but after that there should be a gap. I'm not sure how strong PawN's performance is going to be in the tournament given his medical issues. I think both Fnatic and AHQ are being underrated going into the tournament and could potentially make the group stage interesting. The only games where it is almost completely unreasonable that it could go either way is BJK, but there are still favourites and against EDG and SKT TSM isn't one. More so in the playoff Bo5. If TSM win then that changes their status going into Worlds, but at this tournament to say they are favourites is absurd based on past international results.
This thread so far:
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This thread is great. Having everyone on the same bandwagon is the worst shit ever. I look forward to whoever wins now because I can just imagine the mass quoting that will be occur afterwards.
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well in general (with some caveats) teams that improvise well will do better in short, international tourneys that can present opponents outside of a stable metagame. i think fnatic is this sort of team, don't think tsm is this sort of team.
tsm fans like to emphasize the individual talent on the team, particularly bjergsen. but the way tsm wins is mostly through executing a lineup rather than making plays. they are more disciplined than most western teams but maybe also more flexible than some korean teams that can only play one way.
it's a good team but there's still a substantial gap in individual talent between tsm and the top korean/cn team. skt in particular is just a ridiculous individual skill team that is crippled by some bad coaching decisions.
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On May 07 2015 05:09 Ansibled wrote:I think the most common predictions amongst the various experts and analysts we have in the scene will be the following. 1. SKT. 2. EDG. 3. TSM. 4. FNC. 5. AHQ. 6. BJK. SK Telecom and EDG are probably somewhat close, but after that there should be a gap. I'm not sure how strong PawN's performance is going to be in the tournament given his medical issues. I think both Fnatic and AHQ are being underrated going into the tournament and could potentially make the group stage interesting. The only games where it is almost completely unreasonable that it could go either way is BJK, but there are still favourites and against EDG and SKT TSM isn't one. More so in the playoff Bo5. If TSM win then that changes their status going into Worlds, but at this tournament to say they are favourites is absurd based on past international results. This thread so far: + Show Spoiler +
Yeah, that's my prediction too. And for generic upset, I have:
1. BJK EDG
2. AHQ
3. SKT (lose to EDG)
4. Fnatic
5. TSM
6. BJK
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On May 07 2015 05:18 oneofthem wrote:
well in general (with some caveats) teams that improvise well will do better in short, international tourneys that can present opponents outside of a stable metagame. i think fnatic is this sort of team, don't think tsm is this sort of team.
tsm fans like to emphasize the individual talent on the team, particularly bjergsen. but the way tsm wins is mostly through executing a lineup rather than making plays. they are more disciplined than most western teams but maybe also more flexible than some korean teams that can only play one way.
it's a good team but there's still a substantial gap in individual talent between tsm and the top korean/cn team. skt in particular is just a ridiculous individual skill team that is crippled by some bad coaching decisions.
I'm worried. What will SKT do when they can't sub out a member for every loss they take? They can only manage to drop 1 game in a series before the coaches run out of ideas.
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On May 07 2015 05:21 Itsmedudeman wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2015 05:18 oneofthem wrote:
well in general (with some caveats) teams that improvise well will do better in short, international tourneys that can present opponents outside of a stable metagame. i think fnatic is this sort of team, don't think tsm is this sort of team.
tsm fans like to emphasize the individual talent on the team, particularly bjergsen. but the way tsm wins is mostly through executing a lineup rather than making plays. they are more disciplined than most western teams but maybe also more flexible than some korean teams that can only play one way.
it's a good team but there's still a substantial gap in individual talent between tsm and the top korean/cn team. skt in particular is just a ridiculous individual skill team that is crippled by some bad coaching decisions. I'm worried. What will SKT do when they can't sub out a member for every loss they take? They can only manage to drop 1 game in a series before the coaches run out of ideas.
it's pretty weird because before the single team thing they kept saying they don't want to switch players out because it'll mess with chemistry and mentality etc.
i've had this theory that the skt coaching staff's vision of a good team is skt s and not the actual successful team. the switch to aggression back in s3 vs kt was an aberration of desperation, and the success of that aggressive period masked the coaching staff's preference for safe, conservative players.
still i don't see how they'll have problem vs anyone but edg given the laning strength disparity vs the rest of the field.
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On May 07 2015 05:09 Ansibled wrote:I think the most common predictions amongst the various experts and analysts we have in the scene will be the following. 1. SKT. 2. EDG. 3. TSM. 4. FNC. 5. AHQ. 6. BJK. SK Telecom and EDG are probably somewhat close, but after that there should be a gap. I'm not sure how strong PawN's performance is going to be in the tournament given his medical issues. I think both Fnatic and AHQ are being underrated going into the tournament and could potentially make the group stage interesting. The only games where it is almost completely unreasonable that it could go either way is BJK, but there are still favourites and against EDG and SKT TSM isn't one. More so in the playoff Bo5. If TSM win then that changes their status going into Worlds, but at this tournament to say they are favourites is absurd based on past international results.This thread so far: + Show Spoiler +
You mean the ones where TSM won IEM Kato while SKT hasn't won anything internationally since All Stars and EDG hasn't since... ever? Come on man, if we're gonna start holding statements up to evidence other than "feel", international competition isn't the way to go if you're going to discredit TSM.
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Thats why they beat CJ Entus, right? not the mention that SKT T1 barely won against CJ in semis.
Another top team, GE, cant even beat bottom team of LPL.
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On May 07 2015 05:10 krndandaman wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2015 04:55 LimpingGoat wrote:
Yeah I am actually convinced everyone here is just trolling me with their "TSM has no chance to win MSI", why are you guys all playing out persona's of people that see things differently than me? Everyone knows you either agree with the way I see things or you literally cannot actually exist. if you want people to take you more seriously put more effort into your claims. the problem here isn't that you support an unpopular opinion. it's that you make these claims so confidently with as little reasoning as possible. if you truly do think bjergsen is clearly better than faker and that faker is overrated, go a little more indepth into why beyond "bjergsen beat coco at IEM so therefore bjergsen is better than faker". I will probably disagree, but I can appreciate differing opinions as long as I can see that there is some semblance of reasoning behind said opinion. I definitely do think TSM has a legitimate chance of taking this tourny albeit lower than SKT/EDG. however when you say stuff like "there is no way SKT wins MSI" you're doing exactly the same thing when some people say "lol TSM has no chance of winning MSI". you can't cry victim here when you're doing the exact same thing. you just stand out more because you're doing it with a very unpopular opinion.
I tend to not even care about player skill, so I'm not sure where you got it that I think Bjergsen is better than Faker. I honestly don't think it matters, but if I had to answer the question of who is a better player I'd probably go with Faker.
I'd like to imagine a world where providing my reasoning did anything at all to convince anyone to see things my way or change their minds, but I'm well aware that it is a waste of time.
Also, I am not crying victim of anything. I have no problem with you guys laughing at my predictions, only makes it that much sweeter when I am right, just like it was when I said GE Tigers was going to lose MSI.
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On May 07 2015 05:52 Mensol wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2015 05:18 oneofthem wrote:
well in general (with some caveats) teams that improvise well will do better in short, international tourneys that can present opponents outside of a stable metagame. i think fnatic is this sort of team, don't think tsm is this sort of team.
tsm fans like to emphasize the individual talent on the team, particularly bjergsen. but the way tsm wins is mostly through executing a lineup rather than making plays. they are more disciplined than most western teams but maybe also more flexible than some korean teams that can only play one way.
it's a good team but there's still a substantial gap in individual talent between tsm and the top korean/cn team. skt in particular is just a ridiculous individual skill team that is crippled by some bad coaching decisions. Thats why they beat CJ Entus, right? not the mention that SKT T1 barely won against CJ in semis. Another top team, GE, cant even beat bottom team of LPL.
cj underperformed vs tsm. they began playing better after cinderhulk. it's a very volatile team, and that should not be surprising.
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On May 07 2015 06:08 krndandaman wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2015 05:58 LimpingGoat wrote:On May 07 2015 05:10 krndandaman wrote:On May 07 2015 04:55 LimpingGoat wrote:
Yeah I am actually convinced everyone here is just trolling me with their "TSM has no chance to win MSI", why are you guys all playing out persona's of people that see things differently than me? Everyone knows you either agree with the way I see things or you literally cannot actually exist. if you want people to take you more seriously put more effort into your claims. the problem here isn't that you support an unpopular opinion. it's that you make these claims so confidently with as little reasoning as possible. if you truly do think bjergsen is clearly better than faker and that faker is overrated, go a little more indepth into why beyond "bjergsen beat coco at IEM so therefore bjergsen is better than faker". I will probably disagree, but I can appreciate differing opinions as long as I can see that there is some semblance of reasoning behind said opinion. I definitely do think TSM has a legitimate chance of taking this tourny albeit lower than SKT/EDG. however when you say stuff like "there is no way SKT wins MSI" you're doing exactly the same thing when some people say "lol TSM has no chance of winning MSI". you can't cry victim here when you're doing the exact same thing. you just stand out more because you're doing it with a very unpopular opinion. I tend to not even care about player skill, so I'm not sure where you got it that I think Bjergsen is better than Faker. I honestly don't think it matters, but if I had to answer the question of who is a better player I'd probably go with Faker. I'd like to imagine a world where providing my reasoning did anything at all to convince anyone to see things my way or change their minds, but I'm well aware that it is a waste of time. Also, I am not crying victim of anything. I have no problem with you guys laughing at my predictions, only makes it that much sweeter when I am right, just like it was when I said GE Tigers was going to lose MSI. um ok I was under the impression you wanted your opinions to be taken more seriously if you don't care carry on i guess Show nested quote +On May 07 2015 05:50 Gahlo wrote:On May 07 2015 05:09 Ansibled wrote:I think the most common predictions amongst the various experts and analysts we have in the scene will be the following. 1. SKT. 2. EDG. 3. TSM. 4. FNC. 5. AHQ. 6. BJK. SK Telecom and EDG are probably somewhat close, but after that there should be a gap. I'm not sure how strong PawN's performance is going to be in the tournament given his medical issues. I think both Fnatic and AHQ are being underrated going into the tournament and could potentially make the group stage interesting. The only games where it is almost completely unreasonable that it could go either way is BJK, but there are still favourites and against EDG and SKT TSM isn't one. More so in the playoff Bo5. If TSM win then that changes their status going into Worlds, but at this tournament to say they are favourites is absurd based on past international results.This thread so far: + Show Spoiler + You mean the ones where TSM won IEM Kato while SKT hasn't won anything internationally since All Stars and EDG hasn't since... ever? Come on man, if we're gonna start holding statements up to evidence other than "feel", international competition isn't the way to go if you're going to discredit TSM. to be fair SKT has done extremely well at all of the international events they've managed to reach. extremely well as in take first place.
Fun facts for everyone, SKT has only dropped a best of five series to three different teams, Samsung White, CJ Frost, and Najin White Shield.
They have only ever lost one game in international competition to non-Koreans, and that was their first game against OMG.
Since Cinderhulk, SKT is 12-2, only dropping two games to CJ Entus. 5 of those wins were against GE. Also, hilariously, Bengi has yet to lose a game since 5.5.
In my book they are the favorites.
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