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On April 15 2015 06:47 MajorityofOne wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2015 06:17 chosenkerrigan wrote:On April 15 2015 05:48 Azarkon wrote:On April 15 2015 05:20 chosenkerrigan wrote:On April 15 2015 02:48 Azarkon wrote:
Except for in Game 1, U played selfishly and without a clue as to what to do in team fights. The Game 3 pick was bizarre and a case of not understanding how narrow the match up was when Pawn isn't there. Clearlove's flaming, while not warranted because he himself didn't perform all that well, was nonetheless on the mark.
It's also an emphatic statement about just how badly EDG needed those imports. With U and Namei, they'd have been at the bottom of LPL this season, judging by how those players are playing. Of course they are gonna be much worse without a top 2 mid in the world and sub in someone who has not been practicing with the team for half a year now. But that doesn't mean EDG would suck had they retained U and Namei. They won't reach where they are today, but they will still be a solid mid-high tier team. You need to realize U and Namei individually are very good players, but the synergy would be completely lost after so long. It's like saying TSM without the imports Bjergsen and Lustboy would be bottom team in NA LCS. It's not a fair conclusion to draw at all, even though NA is a much weaker region. U and Namei were serviceable back when LPL was entirely Chinese except for SHRC, and the best mid - Cool - was MIA for a whole split, and barely coming into form the next. This year, with all the top tier Koreans joining, they'd have been rekt. Bottom of LPL is a bit of an exaggeration but they'd have their hands full making playoffs. U didn't realize he would be playing until literally this morning before the match. He had not been scrimming with the team and the mid-jungle synergy is almost non-existent. But you can clearly see he still got the mechanics when he solo killed Xiye AND Spirit with Orianna. Yeah U playing on such short notice is really impressive. But he's a downgrade from Pawn even at his best. If IG advances vs VG he'll probably struggle against the likes of Rookie. But if he's facing VG and he's fully practiced than EDG should be favored. Its pretty crazy that nobody got U from EDG while he was on the bench, and pretty shrewd (or maybe just lucky?) of EDG to have not sold him.
Probably paid quite a bit to prevent him from falling into the wrong hands, like SKT with ezhoon
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Cayman Islands24199 Posts
hahaha holy shit the legend of pawn grows
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Cayman Islands24199 Posts
On April 15 2015 06:48 wei2coolman wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2015 06:47 MajorityofOne wrote:On April 15 2015 06:17 chosenkerrigan wrote:On April 15 2015 05:48 Azarkon wrote:On April 15 2015 05:20 chosenkerrigan wrote:On April 15 2015 02:48 Azarkon wrote:
Except for in Game 1, U played selfishly and without a clue as to what to do in team fights. The Game 3 pick was bizarre and a case of not understanding how narrow the match up was when Pawn isn't there. Clearlove's flaming, while not warranted because he himself didn't perform all that well, was nonetheless on the mark.
It's also an emphatic statement about just how badly EDG needed those imports. With U and Namei, they'd have been at the bottom of LPL this season, judging by how those players are playing. Of course they are gonna be much worse without a top 2 mid in the world and sub in someone who has not been practicing with the team for half a year now. But that doesn't mean EDG would suck had they retained U and Namei. They won't reach where they are today, but they will still be a solid mid-high tier team. You need to realize U and Namei individually are very good players, but the synergy would be completely lost after so long. It's like saying TSM without the imports Bjergsen and Lustboy would be bottom team in NA LCS. It's not a fair conclusion to draw at all, even though NA is a much weaker region. U and Namei were serviceable back when LPL was entirely Chinese except for SHRC, and the best mid - Cool - was MIA for a whole split, and barely coming into form the next. This year, with all the top tier Koreans joining, they'd have been rekt. Bottom of LPL is a bit of an exaggeration but they'd have their hands full making playoffs. U didn't realize he would be playing until literally this morning before the match. He had not been scrimming with the team and the mid-jungle synergy is almost non-existent. But you can clearly see he still got the mechanics when he solo killed Xiye AND Spirit with Orianna. Yeah U playing on such short notice is really impressive. But he's a downgrade from Pawn even at his best. If IG advances vs VG he'll probably struggle against the likes of Rookie. But if he's facing VG and he's fully practiced than EDG should be favored. Its pretty crazy that nobody got U from EDG while he was on the bench, and pretty shrewd (or maybe just lucky?) of EDG to have not sold him. Probably paid quite a bit to prevent him from falling into the wrong hands, like SKT with ezhoon
i dont think u is that prized of a player. they just need practice squads to go with their main squad.
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The land of freedom23126 Posts
On April 15 2015 07:26 oneofthem wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2015 06:48 wei2coolman wrote:On April 15 2015 06:47 MajorityofOne wrote:On April 15 2015 06:17 chosenkerrigan wrote:On April 15 2015 05:48 Azarkon wrote:On April 15 2015 05:20 chosenkerrigan wrote:On April 15 2015 02:48 Azarkon wrote:
Except for in Game 1, U played selfishly and without a clue as to what to do in team fights. The Game 3 pick was bizarre and a case of not understanding how narrow the match up was when Pawn isn't there. Clearlove's flaming, while not warranted because he himself didn't perform all that well, was nonetheless on the mark.
It's also an emphatic statement about just how badly EDG needed those imports. With U and Namei, they'd have been at the bottom of LPL this season, judging by how those players are playing. Of course they are gonna be much worse without a top 2 mid in the world and sub in someone who has not been practicing with the team for half a year now. But that doesn't mean EDG would suck had they retained U and Namei. They won't reach where they are today, but they will still be a solid mid-high tier team. You need to realize U and Namei individually are very good players, but the synergy would be completely lost after so long. It's like saying TSM without the imports Bjergsen and Lustboy would be bottom team in NA LCS. It's not a fair conclusion to draw at all, even though NA is a much weaker region. U and Namei were serviceable back when LPL was entirely Chinese except for SHRC, and the best mid - Cool - was MIA for a whole split, and barely coming into form the next. This year, with all the top tier Koreans joining, they'd have been rekt. Bottom of LPL is a bit of an exaggeration but they'd have their hands full making playoffs. U didn't realize he would be playing until literally this morning before the match. He had not been scrimming with the team and the mid-jungle synergy is almost non-existent. But you can clearly see he still got the mechanics when he solo killed Xiye AND Spirit with Orianna. Yeah U playing on such short notice is really impressive. But he's a downgrade from Pawn even at his best. If IG advances vs VG he'll probably struggle against the likes of Rookie. But if he's facing VG and he's fully practiced than EDG should be favored. Its pretty crazy that nobody got U from EDG while he was on the bench, and pretty shrewd (or maybe just lucky?) of EDG to have not sold him. Probably paid quite a bit to prevent him from falling into the wrong hands, like SKT with ezhoon i dont think u is that prized of a player. they just need practice squads to go with their main squad.
Ya, being better than 8 mids in LPL starting rosters is whatever.
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On April 15 2015 07:39 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2015 07:26 oneofthem wrote:On April 15 2015 06:48 wei2coolman wrote:On April 15 2015 06:47 MajorityofOne wrote:On April 15 2015 06:17 chosenkerrigan wrote:On April 15 2015 05:48 Azarkon wrote:On April 15 2015 05:20 chosenkerrigan wrote:On April 15 2015 02:48 Azarkon wrote:
Except for in Game 1, U played selfishly and without a clue as to what to do in team fights. The Game 3 pick was bizarre and a case of not understanding how narrow the match up was when Pawn isn't there. Clearlove's flaming, while not warranted because he himself didn't perform all that well, was nonetheless on the mark.
It's also an emphatic statement about just how badly EDG needed those imports. With U and Namei, they'd have been at the bottom of LPL this season, judging by how those players are playing. Of course they are gonna be much worse without a top 2 mid in the world and sub in someone who has not been practicing with the team for half a year now. But that doesn't mean EDG would suck had they retained U and Namei. They won't reach where they are today, but they will still be a solid mid-high tier team. You need to realize U and Namei individually are very good players, but the synergy would be completely lost after so long. It's like saying TSM without the imports Bjergsen and Lustboy would be bottom team in NA LCS. It's not a fair conclusion to draw at all, even though NA is a much weaker region. U and Namei were serviceable back when LPL was entirely Chinese except for SHRC, and the best mid - Cool - was MIA for a whole split, and barely coming into form the next. This year, with all the top tier Koreans joining, they'd have been rekt. Bottom of LPL is a bit of an exaggeration but they'd have their hands full making playoffs. U didn't realize he would be playing until literally this morning before the match. He had not been scrimming with the team and the mid-jungle synergy is almost non-existent. But you can clearly see he still got the mechanics when he solo killed Xiye AND Spirit with Orianna. Yeah U playing on such short notice is really impressive. But he's a downgrade from Pawn even at his best. If IG advances vs VG he'll probably struggle against the likes of Rookie. But if he's facing VG and he's fully practiced than EDG should be favored. Its pretty crazy that nobody got U from EDG while he was on the bench, and pretty shrewd (or maybe just lucky?) of EDG to have not sold him. Probably paid quite a bit to prevent him from falling into the wrong hands, like SKT with ezhoon i dont think u is that prized of a player. they just need practice squads to go with their main squad. Ya, being better than 8 mids in LPL starting rosters is whatever.
it really isn't. but he's also not that good.
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On April 15 2015 07:52 oneofthem wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2015 07:39 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:On April 15 2015 07:26 oneofthem wrote:On April 15 2015 06:48 wei2coolman wrote:On April 15 2015 06:47 MajorityofOne wrote:On April 15 2015 06:17 chosenkerrigan wrote:On April 15 2015 05:48 Azarkon wrote:On April 15 2015 05:20 chosenkerrigan wrote:On April 15 2015 02:48 Azarkon wrote:
Except for in Game 1, U played selfishly and without a clue as to what to do in team fights. The Game 3 pick was bizarre and a case of not understanding how narrow the match up was when Pawn isn't there. Clearlove's flaming, while not warranted because he himself didn't perform all that well, was nonetheless on the mark.
It's also an emphatic statement about just how badly EDG needed those imports. With U and Namei, they'd have been at the bottom of LPL this season, judging by how those players are playing. Of course they are gonna be much worse without a top 2 mid in the world and sub in someone who has not been practicing with the team for half a year now. But that doesn't mean EDG would suck had they retained U and Namei. They won't reach where they are today, but they will still be a solid mid-high tier team. You need to realize U and Namei individually are very good players, but the synergy would be completely lost after so long. It's like saying TSM without the imports Bjergsen and Lustboy would be bottom team in NA LCS. It's not a fair conclusion to draw at all, even though NA is a much weaker region. U and Namei were serviceable back when LPL was entirely Chinese except for SHRC, and the best mid - Cool - was MIA for a whole split, and barely coming into form the next. This year, with all the top tier Koreans joining, they'd have been rekt. Bottom of LPL is a bit of an exaggeration but they'd have their hands full making playoffs. U didn't realize he would be playing until literally this morning before the match. He had not been scrimming with the team and the mid-jungle synergy is almost non-existent. But you can clearly see he still got the mechanics when he solo killed Xiye AND Spirit with Orianna. Yeah U playing on such short notice is really impressive. But he's a downgrade from Pawn even at his best. If IG advances vs VG he'll probably struggle against the likes of Rookie. But if he's facing VG and he's fully practiced than EDG should be favored. Its pretty crazy that nobody got U from EDG while he was on the bench, and pretty shrewd (or maybe just lucky?) of EDG to have not sold him. Probably paid quite a bit to prevent him from falling into the wrong hands, like SKT with ezhoon i dont think u is that prized of a player. they just need practice squads to go with their main squad. Ya, being better than 8 mids in LPL starting rosters is whatever. it really isn't. but he's also not that good.
yeah, he wasn't good when EDG dominated domestic scene when he was on main lineup right?
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Baa?21243 Posts
Me 3 months ago:
On January 11 2015 13:59 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:Having U stuck as a benchwarmer is a huge waste of talent 
#freeU
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Not really? Supposedly, Namei was the super carry of that. AND Supposedly Clearlove was the best chinese jungler (cough). Also they had Fzzf, and people have always been fairly nice to koro1 (Moser is in love with him).
TLDR? China "experts" know less than Jon Snow.
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United Kingdom50293 Posts
Fzzf was the worst player on EDG, koro1 was a weak laner that played a utility role and no one ever called clearlove the best jungler, china talk consistently called clearlove out as a problem for EDG last year so I have no idea what the fuck you're talking about. Jesus christ there's so much strawman right there you're scaring away the crows.
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On April 15 2015 08:18 cLutZ wrote:
Not really? Supposedly, Namei was the super carry of that. AND Supposedly Clearlove was the best chinese jungler (cough). Also they had Fzzf, and people have always been fairly nice to koro1 (Moser is in love with him).
TLDR? China "experts" know less than Jon Snow.
I hope you do know, that just because you make your ADC your main carry, doesn't mean everyone else on the team just sucks. lmao.
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Oh, I suppose they were into lovelin (also discredits them).
Its a hilarious shitstorm from all the longtime china people. IF all those things you said are true, the chinatalk/etc chinese analysts are still equally discredited because they heaped a ton of praise on clearlove this season. And they pretended that that Pawn switch meant nothing and it was all about koro1 being on Gnar, Clearlove RekSai, and deft Corki. Even though Pawn made the play that tipped the game into EDG's favor when he caught out spirit, on what was basically a "feel" play. Spirit probably steals red and forces clearlove out of the jungle right there 9/10 times. We KNOW how big spirit's carry pants can be.
Its really quite frustrating how stubborn these narratives are when it comes to china. Its the Jatt dilemma all over again.
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By "feel" play you mean Gragas walking up to a ward near mid, then walking into the jungle, to then additionally be spotted by tremor sense. Dem feelz.
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United States47024 Posts
ChinaTalk has always been pretty wrong, but that doesn't mean U wasn't good or that you're right calling Namei the "super carry" of EDG.
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On April 15 2015 10:00 krndandaman wrote:
pawn is a fking legend
this is the stuff "based on true story" films are about.
meanwhile insec is too busy jumping off buildings.
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On April 15 2015 09:14 TheYango wrote:
ChinaTalk has always been pretty wrong, but that doesn't mean U wasn't good or that you're right calling Namei the "super carry" of EDG.
Thats not what I am saying. My entire point is that basically, there is this "China Dilemma" that a ton of people have succumbed to.
1. You love Namei. You think he's great. You've always said he's the #1 ADC in China (maybe the world), and the guy who really made EDG what it was. Sure, he didn't do well at Worlds, but there was that weird rumor about him, plus small sample size.
2. But wait, hes not on EDG anymore, and now EDG is even better than when he was on it. And it would seem that its because these 2 new Koreans are awesome.
3. You reject the obvious explanation and look for something "more chinese" to explain it. So now you hype up Koro1 and Clearlove.
Then we get this series, and instead of just saying "Yep, I was wrong about that." Instead you claim that EDG was trolling itself in the U games and if they had just done what you wanted they would have done the same thing. And they follow the same pattern over and over. That's just my problem.
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U didn't perform that great during the series to be honest. He got 2 kills, one donated by spirit, but still failed to make a huge impact on game 4. 2 shockwaves in 2 crucial baron fights he only hit on 1 person and he died to baron. Game 2 and 3 he was pretty much nonexistent, and game 1 he was supporting deft and koro. Not sure why people are so obsessed over U that series. He was average at best, and I've seen plenty of LPL mids have more impact than he did.
I'm ignoring what U was like in the past and not stating anything about that, but to think he was even close to Pawn... lol
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On April 15 2015 10:27 Itsmedudeman wrote:
U didn't perform that great during the series to be honest. He got 2 kills, one donated by spirit, but still failed to make a huge impact on game 4. 2 shockwaves in 2 crucial baron fights he only hit on 1 person and he died to baron. Game 2 and 3 he was pretty much nonexistent, and game 1 he was supporting deft and koro. Not sure why people are so obsessed over U that series. He was average at best, and I've seen plenty of LPL mids have more impact than he did.
lol, he wasn't even aware he was playing until day of.
there's a reason why even chinese netizens are praising him.
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Whoever does win LPL, they won't win MSI.
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