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Aeromi
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
France14461 Posts
December 20 2014 19:57 GMT
#381
Thanks for adding the French stream !
https://twitter.com/DrAeromi | Updates on live tournaments: @StarCrafteSport
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
December 20 2014 19:59 GMT
#382
On December 21 2014 04:57 Fildun wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 21 2014 04:54 Sufficiency wrote:
On December 21 2014 04:52 Fildun wrote:
On December 21 2014 04:51 Sufficiency wrote:
Ewww. Diamond is maxing W first on Sej...

This is 4.21 right? On 4.21 it's the normal max...


Pretty sure E max is better.

W:
INITIAL HIT DAMAGE
4/6/8/10/12% of target's max health (+3% per 100 ability power) in magic damage

AREA OF EFFECT DAMAGE
40/70/100/130/160 (+4/6/8/10/12% total health)

E:
60/90/120/150/180 magic damage

Pretty sure W max is better.


E's cooldown is dramatically reduced with each rank.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
TitusVI
Profile Joined April 2013
Germany8319 Posts
December 20 2014 19:59 GMT
#383
Azir getting strong
Science>Mechanics
oo_Wonderful_oo
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
The land of freedom23126 Posts
December 20 2014 19:59 GMT
#384
Muramana pre-20, holy fucking shit.
LiquidLegends StaffFPL 25 #1 | tfw I cast games on-air | back-to-back Liquibet winner
nafta
Profile Joined August 2010
Bulgaria18893 Posts
December 20 2014 20:00 GMT
#385
On December 21 2014 04:59 Sufficiency wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 21 2014 04:57 Fildun wrote:
On December 21 2014 04:54 Sufficiency wrote:
On December 21 2014 04:52 Fildun wrote:
On December 21 2014 04:51 Sufficiency wrote:
Ewww. Diamond is maxing W first on Sej...

This is 4.21 right? On 4.21 it's the normal max...


Pretty sure E max is better.

W:
INITIAL HIT DAMAGE
4/6/8/10/12% of target's max health (+3% per 100 ability power) in magic damage

AREA OF EFFECT DAMAGE
40/70/100/130/160 (+4/6/8/10/12% total health)

E:
60/90/120/150/180 magic damage

Pretty sure W max is better.


E's cooldown is dramatically reduced with each rank.

W gets 4 secs reduced on cd as well.Pls suff....
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
December 20 2014 20:03 GMT
#386
On December 21 2014 05:00 nafta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 21 2014 04:59 Sufficiency wrote:
On December 21 2014 04:57 Fildun wrote:
On December 21 2014 04:54 Sufficiency wrote:
On December 21 2014 04:52 Fildun wrote:
On December 21 2014 04:51 Sufficiency wrote:
Ewww. Diamond is maxing W first on Sej...

This is 4.21 right? On 4.21 it's the normal max...


Pretty sure E max is better.

W:
INITIAL HIT DAMAGE
4/6/8/10/12% of target's max health (+3% per 100 ability power) in magic damage

AREA OF EFFECT DAMAGE
40/70/100/130/160 (+4/6/8/10/12% total health)

E:
60/90/120/150/180 magic damage

Pretty sure W max is better.


E's cooldown is dramatically reduced with each rank.

W gets 4 secs reduced on cd as well.Pls suff....



Oh meh.

But I am still not convinced. Her W's auto reset is really slow and requires her to stick to her target. E is so much safer.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
Lord Tolkien
Profile Joined November 2012
United States12083 Posts
December 20 2014 20:04 GMT
#387
gamsu what
"His father is pretty juicy tbh." ~WaveofShadow
Redox
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany24794 Posts
December 20 2014 20:04 GMT
#388
On December 21 2014 04:59 TitusVI wrote:
Azir getting strong

Advantage of Gambit lanes was that they could get Azir into later game without porblems where he really starts to shine. Casters said even lanes meant it wasnt worth it, I think its the opposite.
Off-season = best season
Fildun
Profile Joined December 2012
Netherlands4123 Posts
December 20 2014 20:04 GMT
#389
On December 21 2014 05:03 Sufficiency wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 21 2014 05:00 nafta wrote:
On December 21 2014 04:59 Sufficiency wrote:
On December 21 2014 04:57 Fildun wrote:
On December 21 2014 04:54 Sufficiency wrote:
On December 21 2014 04:52 Fildun wrote:
On December 21 2014 04:51 Sufficiency wrote:
Ewww. Diamond is maxing W first on Sej...

This is 4.21 right? On 4.21 it's the normal max...


Pretty sure E max is better.

W:
INITIAL HIT DAMAGE
4/6/8/10/12% of target's max health (+3% per 100 ability power) in magic damage

AREA OF EFFECT DAMAGE
40/70/100/130/160 (+4/6/8/10/12% total health)

E:
60/90/120/150/180 magic damage

Pretty sure W max is better.


E's cooldown is dramatically reduced with each rank.

W gets 4 secs reduced on cd as well.Pls suff....



Oh meh.

But I am still not convinced. Her W's auto reset is really slow and requires her to stick to her target. E is so much safer.

??? What does this even mean. You also need to apply a frost stack for the E...
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands21959 Posts
December 20 2014 20:05 GMT
#390
the balls to flash dodge further into the enemy team instead of away from them by P1noy.

It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
Lord Tolkien
Profile Joined November 2012
United States12083 Posts
December 20 2014 20:05 GMT
#391
goddamnit, gamsu renengaged and lost them that fight by knocking Graves INTO his team.

zzzzz
"His father is pretty juicy tbh." ~WaveofShadow
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
December 20 2014 20:06 GMT
#392
On December 21 2014 05:05 Lord Tolkien wrote:
goddamnit, gamsu renengaged and lost them that fight by knocking Graves INTO his team.

zzzzz


I thought graves flashed into the team?
Lord Tolkien
Profile Joined November 2012
United States12083 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-12-20 20:06:48
December 20 2014 20:06 GMT
#393
On December 21 2014 05:06 Numy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 21 2014 05:05 Lord Tolkien wrote:
goddamnit, gamsu renengaged and lost them that fight by knocking Graves INTO his team.

zzzzz


I thought graves flashed into the team?

After Gamsu knocked him towards the team instead of disengaging when Ahri CDs were down and Ezreal was dead.
"His father is pretty juicy tbh." ~WaveofShadow
krndandaman
Profile Joined August 2009
Mozambique16569 Posts
December 20 2014 20:09 GMT
#394
--- Nuked ---
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
December 20 2014 20:09 GMT
#395
On December 21 2014 05:04 Fildun wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 21 2014 05:03 Sufficiency wrote:
On December 21 2014 05:00 nafta wrote:
On December 21 2014 04:59 Sufficiency wrote:
On December 21 2014 04:57 Fildun wrote:
On December 21 2014 04:54 Sufficiency wrote:
On December 21 2014 04:52 Fildun wrote:
On December 21 2014 04:51 Sufficiency wrote:
Ewww. Diamond is maxing W first on Sej...

This is 4.21 right? On 4.21 it's the normal max...


Pretty sure E max is better.

W:
INITIAL HIT DAMAGE
4/6/8/10/12% of target's max health (+3% per 100 ability power) in magic damage

AREA OF EFFECT DAMAGE
40/70/100/130/160 (+4/6/8/10/12% total health)

E:
60/90/120/150/180 magic damage

Pretty sure W max is better.


E's cooldown is dramatically reduced with each rank.

W gets 4 secs reduced on cd as well.Pls suff....



Oh meh.

But I am still not convinced. Her W's auto reset is really slow and requires her to stick to her target. E is so much safer.

??? What does this even mean. You also need to apply a frost stack for the E...


Yes, but you can very easily apply frost stacks, since frost lasts 4 seconds and even W lasts 4 seconds.

The problem with W is that a lot of the damage is in the autoattack component, and Sejuani is melee. The lower cooldown on W is nice but it is still contingent on you being able to stick with your target.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
nafta
Profile Joined August 2010
Bulgaria18893 Posts
December 20 2014 20:11 GMT
#396
On December 21 2014 05:09 Sufficiency wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 21 2014 05:04 Fildun wrote:
On December 21 2014 05:03 Sufficiency wrote:
On December 21 2014 05:00 nafta wrote:
On December 21 2014 04:59 Sufficiency wrote:
On December 21 2014 04:57 Fildun wrote:
On December 21 2014 04:54 Sufficiency wrote:
On December 21 2014 04:52 Fildun wrote:
On December 21 2014 04:51 Sufficiency wrote:
Ewww. Diamond is maxing W first on Sej...

This is 4.21 right? On 4.21 it's the normal max...


Pretty sure E max is better.

W:
INITIAL HIT DAMAGE
4/6/8/10/12% of target's max health (+3% per 100 ability power) in magic damage

AREA OF EFFECT DAMAGE
40/70/100/130/160 (+4/6/8/10/12% total health)

E:
60/90/120/150/180 magic damage

Pretty sure W max is better.


E's cooldown is dramatically reduced with each rank.

W gets 4 secs reduced on cd as well.Pls suff....



Oh meh.

But I am still not convinced. Her W's auto reset is really slow and requires her to stick to her target. E is so much safer.

??? What does this even mean. You also need to apply a frost stack for the E...


Yes, but you can very easily apply frost stacks, since frost lasts 4 seconds and even W lasts 4 seconds.

The problem with W is that a lot of the damage is in the autoattack component, and Sejuani is melee. The lower cooldown on W is nice but it is still contingent on you being able to stick with your target.

On junglers you max the ability that lets you clear faster.In ganks you just do one rotation so it doesn't matter.Pls
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands21959 Posts
December 20 2014 20:12 GMT
#397
you dive into 4 people inside the jungle next to a megagnar with ult up...
thats called being bad.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
December 20 2014 20:12 GMT
#398
Uh oh dig at Baron.
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
TitusVI
Profile Joined April 2013
Germany8319 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-12-20 20:12:41
December 20 2014 20:12 GMT
#399
you can make nice plays with the azir tower if the whole team is one the same page. Start teamfight and pop tower.
Science>Mechanics
Nytefish
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United Kingdom4282 Posts
December 20 2014 20:12 GMT
#400
welcome back dig
No I'm never serious.
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