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On October 07 2014 01:32 AsianEcksDragon wrote:
All this Korea hate is appalling. All these Western fans cheering for OMG aren't fans of them, they are just Korea haters. Somehow they've forgotten the fact that whoever wins really don't have anything to do with them. It's another Korea vs. China final and their favorite teams are going to be home watching.
You're funny.
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On October 07 2014 01:21 nimdil wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2014 00:52 Numy wrote:On October 07 2014 00:44 nimdil wrote:
I wonder if Samsung teams are preparing for each other or directly for chinese teams (to save korea's honor, since najin collapsed), considering they are from 1 team. Supposedly they aren't allowed to discuss strats with each other or any meta stuff so they are more separate entities than most sister teams. Not sure how much of that is truth or just misdirection. Interesting how possibly can they manage that for so long and what is the point of this rule O_o
Not sure myself. I think from what I read it's so they don't become two versions of the same idea. So the teams maintain their own distinct styles and ideologies while still getting good private practice in having a sister team.
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hmm, it never occurred to me that nuking a poster doesn't also ban them, usually when i nuke somebody all their posts get nuked and they stop posting
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On October 07 2014 01:34 red_ wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2014 01:32 AsianEcksDragon wrote:
All this Korea hate is appalling. All these Western fans cheering for OMG aren't fans of them, they are just Korea haters. Somehow they've forgotten the fact that whoever wins really don't have anything to do with them. It's another Korea vs. China final and their favorite teams are going to be home watching. You're funny.
A day ago no one on reddit knew who Cloud was. Complexity drama took up the first page while the Cloud replacement notification was down on the 2nd one
Suddenly OMG are gods for defeating Koreans.
Possibly also because now people can say C9 = OMG = NJWS -> NA on par with KR
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On October 07 2014 02:03 xes wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2014 01:34 red_ wrote:On October 07 2014 01:32 AsianEcksDragon wrote:
All this Korea hate is appalling. All these Western fans cheering for OMG aren't fans of them, they are just Korea haters. Somehow they've forgotten the fact that whoever wins really don't have anything to do with them. It's another Korea vs. China final and their favorite teams are going to be home watching. You're funny. A day ago no one on reddit knew who Cloud was. Complexity drama took up the first page while the Cloud replacement notification was down on the 2nd one Suddenly OMG are gods for defeating Koreans. Possibly also because now people can say C9 = OMG = NJWS -> NA on par with KR
And if SHRC beats OMG, then you can construct TSM ~= SHRC > OMG > NJWS so TSM on par with KR! Huzzah transitivity!
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On October 07 2014 02:03 xes wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2014 01:34 red_ wrote:On October 07 2014 01:32 AsianEcksDragon wrote:
All this Korea hate is appalling. All these Western fans cheering for OMG aren't fans of them, they are just Korea haters. Somehow they've forgotten the fact that whoever wins really don't have anything to do with them. It's another Korea vs. China final and their favorite teams are going to be home watching. You're funny. A day ago no one on reddit knew who Cloud was. Complexity drama took up the first page while the Cloud replacement notification was down on the 2nd one Suddenly OMG are gods for defeating Koreans. Possibly also because now people can say C9 = OMG = NJWS -> NA on par with KR
It just shows that Reddit honestly doesn't actually care about CN as a region.
The live discussion threads for both SSW-TSM and SSB-C9 hit top post in no time at all, now look at the threads for EDG-SHRC and NJWS-OMG. Which is perfectly fine, btw. Fans gonna fan and it should be in their freedom to fan whatever they choose to fan.
It's less about 'hating KR' and more about making themselves feel better about their region/teams. You're attributing too much maliciousness to these cheers for OMG. Plus I'm willing to bet that at least one-third of the anti-KR comments are either sarcastic or exaggerated to parody other relevant circlejerks, or otherwise made in jest.
I'm just happy for OMG. The awesomeness of Gogoing & Lovelin should be praised \o/
(in the same vein that I was really happy for Zero of Royal when SHRC beat EDG)
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On October 07 2014 02:17 ShootAnonymous wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2014 02:03 xes wrote:On October 07 2014 01:34 red_ wrote:On October 07 2014 01:32 AsianEcksDragon wrote:
All this Korea hate is appalling. All these Western fans cheering for OMG aren't fans of them, they are just Korea haters. Somehow they've forgotten the fact that whoever wins really don't have anything to do with them. It's another Korea vs. China final and their favorite teams are going to be home watching. You're funny. A day ago no one on reddit knew who Cloud was. Complexity drama took up the first page while the Cloud replacement notification was down on the 2nd one Suddenly OMG are gods for defeating Koreans. Possibly also because now people can say C9 = OMG = NJWS -> NA on par with KR It just shows that Reddit honestly doesn't actually care about CN as a region.The live discussion threads for both SSW-TSM and SSB-C9 hit top post in no time at all, now look at the threads for EDG-SHRC and NJWS-OMG. Which is perfectly fine, btw. Fans gonna fan and it should be in their freedom to fan whatever they choose to fan. It's less about 'hating KR' and more about making themselves feel better about their region/teams. You're attributing too much maliciousness to these cheers for OMG. Plus I'm willing to bet that at least one-third of the anti-KR comments are either sarcastic or exaggerated to parody other relevant circlejerks, or otherwise made in jest. I'm just happy for OMG. The awesomeness of Gogoing & Lovelin should be praised \o/ (in the same vein that I was really happy for Zero of Royal when SHRC beat EDG)
It doesn't help that China for the longest time hasn't given a shit about presenting itself to the English speaking world. It took people to bring it on themselves to cast over the LPL for it to get any publicity. Even now that they are officially recognized(I think?) they're still casting over it instead of part of the production like Monte and DoA are for OGN. It also had a really bad habit of being at or near the same time as OGN broadcasted their tournaments. As a viewer, who would I pay attention to? The league with better teams and great production quality or the league that's still back in the days of brood war when it comes to global outreach where people casted over vods and uploaded them to YouTube?
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On October 07 2014 02:03 xes wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2014 01:34 red_ wrote:On October 07 2014 01:32 AsianEcksDragon wrote:
All this Korea hate is appalling. All these Western fans cheering for OMG aren't fans of them, they are just Korea haters. Somehow they've forgotten the fact that whoever wins really don't have anything to do with them. It's another Korea vs. China final and their favorite teams are going to be home watching. You're funny. A day ago no one on reddit knew who Cloud was. Complexity drama took up the first page while the Cloud replacement notification was down on the 2nd one Suddenly OMG are gods for defeating Koreans. Possibly also because now people can say C9 = OMG = NJWS -> NA on par with KR
I couldn't care less about reddit, and have no clue what goes on over there. The appalling Korea hate in this thread is clearly because people are just hoping for a little bit of an underdog story, not because of some crazy NA/EU attachment to China as our one true hope. It's like any sport really. Once you get down to elimination rounds, unless you're a really casual fan, you're still going to watch, which means you're going to find other rooting interests. That doesn't make the 'hate'(it's not hate) appalling(what a strong word).
A lot of people wanted to see the Patriots go 18-1, and a lot of people want to see someone, ANYONE, upset Korean teams. There's no need to dissect the reasoning beyond that, people(on average) just like underdogs to win when their personal rooting interest is beaten.
AED's post was stupid.
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On October 07 2014 02:38 red_ wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2014 02:03 xes wrote:On October 07 2014 01:34 red_ wrote:On October 07 2014 01:32 AsianEcksDragon wrote:
All this Korea hate is appalling. All these Western fans cheering for OMG aren't fans of them, they are just Korea haters. Somehow they've forgotten the fact that whoever wins really don't have anything to do with them. It's another Korea vs. China final and their favorite teams are going to be home watching. You're funny. A day ago no one on reddit knew who Cloud was. Complexity drama took up the first page while the Cloud replacement notification was down on the 2nd one Suddenly OMG are gods for defeating Koreans. Possibly also because now people can say C9 = OMG = NJWS -> NA on par with KR I couldn't care less about reddit, and have no clue what goes on over there. The appalling Korea hate in this thread is clearly because people are just hoping for a little bit of an underdog story, not because of some crazy NA/EU attachment to China as our one true hope. It's like any sport really. Once you get down to elimination rounds, unless you're a really casual fan, you're still going to watch, which means you're going to find other rooting interests. That doesn't make the 'hate'(it's not hate) appalling(what a strong word). A lot of people wanted to see the Patriots go 18-1, and a lot of people want to see someone, ANYONE, upset Korean teams. There's no need to dissect the reasoning beyond that, people(on average) just like underdogs to win when their personal rooting interest is beaten. AED's post was stupid.
Yeah, it's pretty much exactly this. People root for underdogs in the absence of any other rooting interest.
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On October 07 2014 02:28 Gahlo wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2014 02:17 ShootAnonymous wrote:On October 07 2014 02:03 xes wrote:On October 07 2014 01:34 red_ wrote:On October 07 2014 01:32 AsianEcksDragon wrote:
All this Korea hate is appalling. All these Western fans cheering for OMG aren't fans of them, they are just Korea haters. Somehow they've forgotten the fact that whoever wins really don't have anything to do with them. It's another Korea vs. China final and their favorite teams are going to be home watching. You're funny. A day ago no one on reddit knew who Cloud was. Complexity drama took up the first page while the Cloud replacement notification was down on the 2nd one Suddenly OMG are gods for defeating Koreans. Possibly also because now people can say C9 = OMG = NJWS -> NA on par with KR It just shows that Reddit honestly doesn't actually care about CN as a region.The live discussion threads for both SSW-TSM and SSB-C9 hit top post in no time at all, now look at the threads for EDG-SHRC and NJWS-OMG. Which is perfectly fine, btw. Fans gonna fan and it should be in their freedom to fan whatever they choose to fan. It's less about 'hating KR' and more about making themselves feel better about their region/teams. You're attributing too much maliciousness to these cheers for OMG. Plus I'm willing to bet that at least one-third of the anti-KR comments are either sarcastic or exaggerated to parody other relevant circlejerks, or otherwise made in jest. I'm just happy for OMG. The awesomeness of Gogoing & Lovelin should be praised \o/ (in the same vein that I was really happy for Zero of Royal when SHRC beat EDG) It doesn't help that China for the longest time hasn't given a shit about presenting itself to the English speaking world. It took people to bring it on themselves to cast over the LPL for it to get any publicity. Even now that they are officially recognized(I think?) they're still casting over it instead of part of the production like Monte and DoA are for OGN. It also had a really bad habit of being at or near the same time as OGN broadcasted their tournaments. As a viewer, who would I pay attention to? The league with better teams and great production quality or the league that's still back in the days of brood war when it comes to global outreach where people casted over vods and uploaded them to YouTube?
Someone better-versed in the business-side of LPL please step in, but AFAIK OGN is a legit broadcasting company whereas LPL is hosted by Tencent who doesn't do general esports broadcasting? A better comparison would be between LPL and LCS. OGN hosts more than just League (SCII), Hearthstone, not entirely sure if they're doing anything else), whereas both Riot and Tencent are pretty League-focused? LCS doesn't bother with non-english in-house casting, LPL doesn't bother with non-mandarin in-house casting.
Of course, LPL is missing out by not giving a damn about their potential non-mandarin-speaking audience. But that's just how it is due to a presence of a strong internal market. CN's music industry is the same way -- extremely insular in comparison to neighbouring TW. If JP had an League scene I'm willing to bet it'd be the same as CN with regards to reaching out the foreign community; it's just how these countries with strong internal markets are. (NA/RU is the same way, it just happens that English is the working language of the world so it isn't as apparent)
Also RE: production issues -- all this voice-ing over-streams issues would be greatly eliminated if League had a good spectator like DotA (all major LANs have easily 2~3 languages casts - EN, CN, RU. sometimes doubling up on the EN/CN casts). E.g. In DotA people actually do care about SEA top teams even though SEA hasn't been a top region ever, just because EN coverage is easily available without need for the original organisers to jump through technical hoops.
I'm not disagreeing but I'm somewhat bewildered(?) by the expectation English casting should be provided by in-house LPL crew.
EDIT: upon re-reading I'm not really sure where I was planning to go with this, went into derailment territory and possibly misinterpreted Ghalo's post. too tired to edit it into something more sensible though. derp.
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United States47024 Posts
On October 07 2014 02:54 ShootAnonymous wrote:
Someone better-versed in the business-side of LPL please step in, but AFAIK OGN is a legit broadcasting company whereas LPL is hosted by Tencent who doesn't do general esports broadcasting? A better comparison would be between LPL and LCS. OGN hosts more than just League (SCII), Hearthstone, not entirely sure if they're doing anything else), whereas both Riot and Tencent are pretty League-focused? LCS doesn't bother with non-english in-house casting, LPL doesn't bother with non-mandarin in-house casting.
Tencent basically took over PLU to do their LPL broadcasting. Which was basically the Chinese equivalent of going to GOM when OGN and MBC exist.
EDIT: TBH I think Tencent's decision to stick closer to the LCS model for LPL's production rather than Korea's where Riot Korea more or less lets OGN do their own thing is pretty questionable. China, like Korea, has the benefit of having an Esports infrastructure that could actually support seasonal LAN tournaments without direct intervention (DotA and War3 have both had a history of such tournaments). There was no real reason for Tencent to step in like they have, and doing so has basically suffocated 3rd party tournament organization out of the scene.
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In ten sentences or less, can someone sum up this series? I am trying to figure out how omg powered up and it certainly took more than just dropping an anvil named dada
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Gotta say, the Korean crowd is pretty amazing. After a history of crowds only cheering for home teams, the French and Korean crowds have definitely shown a lot of spirit even when foreign teams win.
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On October 07 2014 02:54 ShootAnonymous wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2014 02:28 Gahlo wrote:On October 07 2014 02:17 ShootAnonymous wrote:On October 07 2014 02:03 xes wrote:On October 07 2014 01:34 red_ wrote:On October 07 2014 01:32 AsianEcksDragon wrote:
All this Korea hate is appalling. All these Western fans cheering for OMG aren't fans of them, they are just Korea haters. Somehow they've forgotten the fact that whoever wins really don't have anything to do with them. It's another Korea vs. China final and their favorite teams are going to be home watching. You're funny. A day ago no one on reddit knew who Cloud was. Complexity drama took up the first page while the Cloud replacement notification was down on the 2nd one Suddenly OMG are gods for defeating Koreans. Possibly also because now people can say C9 = OMG = NJWS -> NA on par with KR It just shows that Reddit honestly doesn't actually care about CN as a region.The live discussion threads for both SSW-TSM and SSB-C9 hit top post in no time at all, now look at the threads for EDG-SHRC and NJWS-OMG. Which is perfectly fine, btw. Fans gonna fan and it should be in their freedom to fan whatever they choose to fan. It's less about 'hating KR' and more about making themselves feel better about their region/teams. You're attributing too much maliciousness to these cheers for OMG. Plus I'm willing to bet that at least one-third of the anti-KR comments are either sarcastic or exaggerated to parody other relevant circlejerks, or otherwise made in jest. I'm just happy for OMG. The awesomeness of Gogoing & Lovelin should be praised \o/ (in the same vein that I was really happy for Zero of Royal when SHRC beat EDG) It doesn't help that China for the longest time hasn't given a shit about presenting itself to the English speaking world. It took people to bring it on themselves to cast over the LPL for it to get any publicity. Even now that they are officially recognized(I think?) they're still casting over it instead of part of the production like Monte and DoA are for OGN. It also had a really bad habit of being at or near the same time as OGN broadcasted their tournaments. As a viewer, who would I pay attention to? The league with better teams and great production quality or the league that's still back in the days of brood war when it comes to global outreach where people casted over vods and uploaded them to YouTube? Someone better-versed in the business-side of LPL please step in, but AFAIK OGN is a legit broadcasting company whereas LPL is hosted by Tencent who doesn't do general esports broadcasting? A better comparison would be between LPL and LCS. OGN hosts more than just League (SCII), Hearthstone, not entirely sure if they're doing anything else), whereas both Riot and Tencent are pretty League-focused? LCS doesn't bother with non-english in-house casting, LPL doesn't bother with non-mandarin in-house casting. Of course, LPL is missing out by not giving a damn about their potential non-mandarin-speaking audience. But that's just how it is due to a presence of a strong internal market. CN's music industry is the same way -- extremely insular in comparison to neighbouring TW. If JP had an League scene I'm willing to bet it'd be the same as CN with regards to reaching out the foreign community; it's just how these countries with strong internal markets are. (NA/RU is the same way, it just happens that English is the working language of the world so it isn't as apparent) Also RE: production issues -- all this voice-ing over-streams issues would be greatly eliminated if League had a good spectator like DotA (all major LANs have easily 2~3 languages casts - EN, CN, RU. sometimes doubling up on the EN/CN casts). E.g. In DotA people actually do care about SEA top teams even though SEA hasn't been a top region ever, just because EN coverage is easily available without need for the original organisers to jump through technical hoops. I'm not disagreeing but I'm somewhat bewildered(?) by the expectation English casting should be provided by in-house LPL crew. EDIT: upon re-reading I'm not really sure where I was planning to go with this, went into derailment territory and possibly misinterpreted Ghalo's post. too tired to edit it into something more sensible though. derp.
I'm just saying that it's hard for people in the West to care about the Chinese scene when the Chinese scene hasn't done much to get the West involved. Between content providers and consumers, there needs to be a push and pull. LPL doesn't seem overly concerned with Western viewership, so it goes to OGN for Champions instead because it does.
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The land of freedom23126 Posts
On October 07 2014 03:45 Sleight wrote:
In ten sentences or less, can someone sum up this series? I am trying to figure out how omg powered up and it certainly took more than just dropping an anvil named dada
- #FreedCloud
- No more sad San because of it.
- Save choked again, whole Shield roster played bad
- People overrated watch hardcore again, so, basically, karma hit back.
- Gogoing is a God
- Whole trio of Cool, Allen and Gogoing finally performed in same time.
On October 07 2014 03:49 Gahlo wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2014 02:54 ShootAnonymous wrote:On October 07 2014 02:28 Gahlo wrote:On October 07 2014 02:17 ShootAnonymous wrote:On October 07 2014 02:03 xes wrote:On October 07 2014 01:34 red_ wrote:On October 07 2014 01:32 AsianEcksDragon wrote:
All this Korea hate is appalling. All these Western fans cheering for OMG aren't fans of them, they are just Korea haters. Somehow they've forgotten the fact that whoever wins really don't have anything to do with them. It's another Korea vs. China final and their favorite teams are going to be home watching. You're funny. A day ago no one on reddit knew who Cloud was. Complexity drama took up the first page while the Cloud replacement notification was down on the 2nd one Suddenly OMG are gods for defeating Koreans. Possibly also because now people can say C9 = OMG = NJWS -> NA on par with KR It just shows that Reddit honestly doesn't actually care about CN as a region.The live discussion threads for both SSW-TSM and SSB-C9 hit top post in no time at all, now look at the threads for EDG-SHRC and NJWS-OMG. Which is perfectly fine, btw. Fans gonna fan and it should be in their freedom to fan whatever they choose to fan. It's less about 'hating KR' and more about making themselves feel better about their region/teams. You're attributing too much maliciousness to these cheers for OMG. Plus I'm willing to bet that at least one-third of the anti-KR comments are either sarcastic or exaggerated to parody other relevant circlejerks, or otherwise made in jest. I'm just happy for OMG. The awesomeness of Gogoing & Lovelin should be praised \o/ (in the same vein that I was really happy for Zero of Royal when SHRC beat EDG) It doesn't help that China for the longest time hasn't given a shit about presenting itself to the English speaking world. It took people to bring it on themselves to cast over the LPL for it to get any publicity. Even now that they are officially recognized(I think?) they're still casting over it instead of part of the production like Monte and DoA are for OGN. It also had a really bad habit of being at or near the same time as OGN broadcasted their tournaments. As a viewer, who would I pay attention to? The league with better teams and great production quality or the league that's still back in the days of brood war when it comes to global outreach where people casted over vods and uploaded them to YouTube? Someone better-versed in the business-side of LPL please step in, but AFAIK OGN is a legit broadcasting company whereas LPL is hosted by Tencent who doesn't do general esports broadcasting? A better comparison would be between LPL and LCS. OGN hosts more than just League (SCII), Hearthstone, not entirely sure if they're doing anything else), whereas both Riot and Tencent are pretty League-focused? LCS doesn't bother with non-english in-house casting, LPL doesn't bother with non-mandarin in-house casting. Of course, LPL is missing out by not giving a damn about their potential non-mandarin-speaking audience. But that's just how it is due to a presence of a strong internal market. CN's music industry is the same way -- extremely insular in comparison to neighbouring TW. If JP had an League scene I'm willing to bet it'd be the same as CN with regards to reaching out the foreign community; it's just how these countries with strong internal markets are. (NA/RU is the same way, it just happens that English is the working language of the world so it isn't as apparent) Also RE: production issues -- all this voice-ing over-streams issues would be greatly eliminated if League had a good spectator like DotA (all major LANs have easily 2~3 languages casts - EN, CN, RU. sometimes doubling up on the EN/CN casts). E.g. In DotA people actually do care about SEA top teams even though SEA hasn't been a top region ever, just because EN coverage is easily available without need for the original organisers to jump through technical hoops. I'm not disagreeing but I'm somewhat bewildered(?) by the expectation English casting should be provided by in-house LPL crew. EDIT: upon re-reading I'm not really sure where I was planning to go with this, went into derailment territory and possibly misinterpreted Ghalo's post. too tired to edit it into something more sensible though. derp. I'm just saying that it's hard for people in the West to care about the Chinese scene when the Chinese scene hasn't done much to get the West involved. Between content providers and consumers, there needs to be a push and pull. LPL doesn't seem overly concerned with Western viewership, so it goes to OGN for Champions instead because it does.
Considering that LPL made a huge move forward this season in case of English-speaking broadcasts and that basically whole LPL watching community is alive in TL threads with 10~ people, uh.
People are not that interested in China in general, this idea that "we're on same level of China anyway, it's basically bracket luck, anyway there is only Korea, others but SEA are tied pretty much" needed to get destroyed, thank God that it happened now and Western regions have things to think.
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Canada290 Posts
On October 07 2014 03:46 Shiznick wrote:
Gotta say, the Korean crowd is pretty amazing. After a history of crowds only cheering for home teams, the French and Korean crowds have definitely shown a lot of spirit even when foreign teams win.
French crowds were awesome. But the cheers last time were mainly SKT/KT grudge imo..
NJWS in Korean is like EDG in China- most fans in their region prefer seeing them lose.
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Watching the rebroadcast - holy shit GoGoing is incredible. Rekking everyone.
Who's actually going to contain him in the semis? Not convinced Uzi can do it.
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From the Shield v OMG post match thread on reddit:
[–]qqmania 1562 points 8 hours ago
the 4v5 training at groups really paid off for OMG
*[–]3hoho5 [+1] 674 points 8 hours ago
*Sandbag in groups, teabag in quarters.
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On October 07 2014 01:21 nimdil wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2014 00:52 Numy wrote:On October 07 2014 00:44 nimdil wrote:
I wonder if Samsung teams are preparing for each other or directly for chinese teams (to save korea's honor, since najin collapsed), considering they are from 1 team. Supposedly they aren't allowed to discuss strats with each other or any meta stuff so they are more separate entities than most sister teams. Not sure how much of that is truth or just misdirection. Interesting how possibly can they manage that for so long and what is the point of this rule O_o
The point is so that the two teams develop as seperate teams. If they shared everything they would become similar and scrims wouldn't be as beneficial. According to the coach at least.
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On October 07 2014 03:45 Sleight wrote:
In ten sentences or less, can someone sum up this series? I am trying to figure out how omg powered up and it certainly took more than just dropping an anvil named dada
Manly jaw aesthetics > 3rd place koreans.
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