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Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-08-29 20:12:27
August 29 2014 20:12 GMT
#201
On August 30 2014 05:10 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 30 2014 05:09 Numy wrote:
On August 30 2014 05:07 wei2coolman wrote:
On August 30 2014 05:05 Numy wrote:
On August 30 2014 05:03 wei2coolman wrote:
On August 30 2014 05:01 Swords wrote:
On August 30 2014 04:59 wei2coolman wrote:
jesus christ crumbzz is terrible. I think he's even more problematic than kiwikid.


Both should be replaced. And maybe Qt too - he can't seem to maintain focus on training as an adc for a whole split

The problem with Dig is getting a new player in spots is hard. There are very few open agents or possible players in lower-tiers that would be trade-able that would be a significant upgrade over what Dig already has.


That's a lie lol. Dig players are just too big buddies to actually get kicked. It's why Scarra was around for so long.

Who realistically could replace Crumbz?

Kiwi I could see a few challenger support who are around as good, but then you have to go through rebuild for synergy in botlane.

Who's a better ADC than QTpie that isn't already on a decent LCS team? RobertXLee? but is he really going to leave CoL?


Pretty much any of the junglers in the promos are better than Crumbz and evvery other jungler in LCS is better.

It's easy to say junglers in promos are better than crumbz, considering the level of competition they're playing.


They don't go damage and engage poorly constantly. Think it's pretty easy to see how bad Crumbz is if you don't have Dig goggles.
oo_Wonderful_oo
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
The land of freedom23126 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-08-29 20:26:47
August 29 2014 20:12 GMT
#202
On August 30 2014 05:09 Numy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 30 2014 05:07 wei2coolman wrote:
On August 30 2014 05:05 Numy wrote:
On August 30 2014 05:03 wei2coolman wrote:
On August 30 2014 05:01 Swords wrote:
On August 30 2014 04:59 wei2coolman wrote:
jesus christ crumbzz is terrible. I think he's even more problematic than kiwikid.


Both should be replaced. And maybe Qt too - he can't seem to maintain focus on training as an adc for a whole split

The problem with Dig is getting a new player in spots is hard. There are very few open agents or possible players in lower-tiers that would be trade-able that would be a significant upgrade over what Dig already has.


That's a lie lol. Dig players are just too big buddies to actually get kicked. It's why Scarra was around for so long.

Who realistically could replace Crumbz?

Kiwi I could see a few challenger support who are around as good, but then you have to go through rebuild for synergy in botlane.

Who's a better ADC than QTpie that isn't already on a decent LCS team? RobertXLee? but is he really going to leave CoL?


Pretty much any of the junglers in the promos are better than Crumbz and evvery other jungler in LCS is better.


Crumbzz just can't be mediocre, like, let's say, Kez, he's either dominating or just useless.
And for Challenger scene, lol, who is better? Heaventime is my only choice, because they have close playstyles, PorpoisePops rides the CaliTrolz back, Saint is Saint and Santorin tilts in important games against decent opponents consistently.

It's not like NA jungle scene has same level of talent like EU has with k0u, Amin, Trashy and crew.
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Swords
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
6038 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-08-29 20:15:49
August 29 2014 20:13 GMT
#203
On August 30 2014 05:07 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 30 2014 05:05 Numy wrote:
On August 30 2014 05:03 wei2coolman wrote:
On August 30 2014 05:01 Swords wrote:
On August 30 2014 04:59 wei2coolman wrote:
jesus christ crumbzz is terrible. I think he's even more problematic than kiwikid.


Both should be replaced. And maybe Qt too - he can't seem to maintain focus on training as an adc for a whole split

The problem with Dig is getting a new player in spots is hard. There are very few open agents or possible players in lower-tiers that would be trade-able that would be a significant upgrade over what Dig already has.


That's a lie lol. Dig players are just too big buddies to actually get kicked. It's why Scarra was around for so long.

Who realistically could replace Crumbz?

Kiwi I could see a few challenger support who are around as good, but then you have to go through rebuild for synergy in botlane.

Who's a better ADC than QTpie that isn't already on a decent LCS team? RobertXLee? but is he really going to leave CoL?


Any challenger jungler who isn't too stubborn to buy items based on what his team needs could replace Crumbzz.

Qt's problem is he just isn't dedicated enough. Every split he starts off looking pretty decent because he's trained in the offseason, and then the meta changes and he won't put in the time to adjust. He won't play Tristana because she's "boring". That's a horrible attitude, and even though I love the guy, unless he fixes that he can't be an lcs adc. Give me someone promising who will put the time in to learn strong champions.

(Note: I still think Qt could be a good player, but his personality and success as a streamer might be too much for him to ever realize his full potential.)

Kiwi has his games now and then, but he's terribly inconsistent and when he's not on, he's straight up terrible. If Qt can't build synergy with another support (Bunnyfufu, Sheep, etc), then he should be cut too.

tldr; it doesn't matter if the immediate replacements are better now, it's that they'd be better in the long run.
Affenaffe
Profile Joined September 2012
Germany1386 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-08-29 20:17:58
August 29 2014 20:13 GMT
#204
On August 30 2014 05:05 Swords wrote:
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On August 30 2014 05:02 TitusVI wrote:
why the amumu pick? they dont need a risky jungler when zion is splitpushing.


Because Crumbz loves to pick risky junglers and build damage items on them first when his team is split push Zion with Shiphtur and Qt on high damage carries.

It makes no sense. It's like earlier this season when he went glass cannon Elise and fed every team fight when he had Shiphtur on Xerath, Qt on Kog, and Zion on Nidalee.

He doesn't realize this isn't solo queue. Any time an enemy team sees his build I imagine the coms are just laughing and everyone making a note to blow him up immediately whenever he enters a fight for an easy 4v5.


qft, a squishy engager with no escape is the sweetest target ever

the ap item isn't even incredible for early clears and ganks since it needs to stack (and w scales ap only on % health, bad early game).
also amumu is slightly "bruiserish" with mediocre base burst damage but good dps on w and e. and everyone wants tanks to goddamn soak damage in teamfights and not just fall over during their standard combo.
Woony
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Germany6657 Posts
August 29 2014 20:13 GMT
#205
On August 30 2014 05:10 Shiznick wrote:
don't think it matters at this point who's currently better, if they want to actually compete at an international level, dig needs to take risks on challenger players who can show growth because their current players (non ex-Coast) will never cut it.


real talk though, does dig really want that? even if you are the best team in NA, you'll still get crushed by korea at worlds. as long as you stay in the LCS, it's much more profitable for an org to have a team of personalities.
Affenaffe
Profile Joined September 2012
Germany1386 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-08-29 20:15:42
August 29 2014 20:14 GMT
#206
On August 30 2014 05:12 Numy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 30 2014 05:10 wei2coolman wrote:
On August 30 2014 05:09 Numy wrote:
On August 30 2014 05:07 wei2coolman wrote:
On August 30 2014 05:05 Numy wrote:
On August 30 2014 05:03 wei2coolman wrote:
On August 30 2014 05:01 Swords wrote:
On August 30 2014 04:59 wei2coolman wrote:
jesus christ crumbzz is terrible. I think he's even more problematic than kiwikid.


Both should be replaced. And maybe Qt too - he can't seem to maintain focus on training as an adc for a whole split

The problem with Dig is getting a new player in spots is hard. There are very few open agents or possible players in lower-tiers that would be trade-able that would be a significant upgrade over what Dig already has.


That's a lie lol. Dig players are just too big buddies to actually get kicked. It's why Scarra was around for so long.

Who realistically could replace Crumbz?

Kiwi I could see a few challenger support who are around as good, but then you have to go through rebuild for synergy in botlane.

Who's a better ADC than QTpie that isn't already on a decent LCS team? RobertXLee? but is he really going to leave CoL?


Pretty much any of the junglers in the promos are better than Crumbz and evvery other jungler in LCS is better.

It's easy to say junglers in promos are better than crumbz, considering the level of competition they're playing.


They don't go damage and engage poorly constantly. Think it's pretty easy to see how bad Crumbz is if you don't have Dig goggles.


i have DIG goggles and crumbzz was awful after level 5
edit: or whenever that early dragon was, that was a smart call since clg were all low and had to recall after their 5 men dive bot
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-08-29 20:17:30
August 29 2014 20:15 GMT
#207
On August 30 2014 05:12 Numy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 30 2014 05:10 wei2coolman wrote:
On August 30 2014 05:09 Numy wrote:
On August 30 2014 05:07 wei2coolman wrote:
On August 30 2014 05:05 Numy wrote:
On August 30 2014 05:03 wei2coolman wrote:
On August 30 2014 05:01 Swords wrote:
On August 30 2014 04:59 wei2coolman wrote:
jesus christ crumbzz is terrible. I think he's even more problematic than kiwikid.


Both should be replaced. And maybe Qt too - he can't seem to maintain focus on training as an adc for a whole split

The problem with Dig is getting a new player in spots is hard. There are very few open agents or possible players in lower-tiers that would be trade-able that would be a significant upgrade over what Dig already has.


That's a lie lol. Dig players are just too big buddies to actually get kicked. It's why Scarra was around for so long.

Who realistically could replace Crumbz?

Kiwi I could see a few challenger support who are around as good, but then you have to go through rebuild for synergy in botlane.

Who's a better ADC than QTpie that isn't already on a decent LCS team? RobertXLee? but is he really going to leave CoL?


Pretty much any of the junglers in the promos are better than Crumbz and evvery other jungler in LCS is better.

It's easy to say junglers in promos are better than crumbz, considering the level of competition they're playing.


They don't go damage and engage poorly constantly. Think it's pretty easy to see how bad Crumbz is if you don't have Dig goggles.

Yeah, Crumbz is shit, but I still think he's better than any jungler Dig could realistically pick up.

He just needs to choose something that's retard proof, like elise or lee sin.
liftlift > tsm
ShootAnonymous
Profile Joined May 2014
1948 Posts
August 29 2014 20:17 GMT
#208
On August 30 2014 05:12 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 30 2014 05:09 Numy wrote:
On August 30 2014 05:07 wei2coolman wrote:
On August 30 2014 05:05 Numy wrote:
On August 30 2014 05:03 wei2coolman wrote:
On August 30 2014 05:01 Swords wrote:
On August 30 2014 04:59 wei2coolman wrote:
jesus christ crumbzz is terrible. I think he's even more problematic than kiwikid.


Both should be replaced. And maybe Qt too - he can't seem to maintain focus on training as an adc for a whole split

The problem with Dig is getting a new player in spots is hard. There are very few open agents or possible players in lower-tiers that would be trade-able that would be a significant upgrade over what Dig already has.


That's a lie lol. Dig players are just too big buddies to actually get kicked. It's why Scarra was around for so long.

Who realistically could replace Crumbz?

Kiwi I could see a few challenger support who are around as good, but then you have to go through rebuild for synergy in botlane.

Who's a better ADC than QTpie that isn't already on a decent LCS team? RobertXLee? but is he really going to leave CoL?


Pretty much any of the junglers in the promos are better than Crumbz and evvery other jungler in LCS is better.


Crumbzz just can't be mediocre, like, let's say, Kez, he's either dominating or just useless.
And for Challenger scene, lol, who is better? Heaventime is my only choice, because they have close playstyles, PorpoisePop rides the CaliTrolz back, Saint is Saint and Santorin tilts in important games against decent opponents consistently.

It's not like NA jungle scene has same level of talent like EU has with k0u, Amin, Trashy and crew.


Perhaps it's the armchair critic in me speaking, but surely there exists an non-LCS NA player out there who's able to perform better/more consistently than crumbzz. The onus is entirely on Dig's management to find that player, or develop that player if he doesn't exist yet. To continually fall back on the crutch of "NA no talent QQ" is just their ineptness showing. (IMO. I may have phrased things more harshly than I'm intending + this is also a general comment on NA team managements; dig fans please don't take it personally)
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Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
August 29 2014 20:17 GMT
#209
On August 30 2014 05:15 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 30 2014 05:12 Numy wrote:
On August 30 2014 05:10 wei2coolman wrote:
On August 30 2014 05:09 Numy wrote:
On August 30 2014 05:07 wei2coolman wrote:
On August 30 2014 05:05 Numy wrote:
On August 30 2014 05:03 wei2coolman wrote:
On August 30 2014 05:01 Swords wrote:
On August 30 2014 04:59 wei2coolman wrote:
jesus christ crumbzz is terrible. I think he's even more problematic than kiwikid.


Both should be replaced. And maybe Qt too - he can't seem to maintain focus on training as an adc for a whole split

The problem with Dig is getting a new player in spots is hard. There are very few open agents or possible players in lower-tiers that would be trade-able that would be a significant upgrade over what Dig already has.


That's a lie lol. Dig players are just too big buddies to actually get kicked. It's why Scarra was around for so long.

Who realistically could replace Crumbz?

Kiwi I could see a few challenger support who are around as good, but then you have to go through rebuild for synergy in botlane.

Who's a better ADC than QTpie that isn't already on a decent LCS team? RobertXLee? but is he really going to leave CoL?


Pretty much any of the junglers in the promos are better than Crumbz and evvery other jungler in LCS is better.

It's easy to say junglers in promos are better than crumbz, considering the level of competition they're playing.


They don't go damage and engage poorly constantly. Think it's pretty easy to see how bad Crumbz is if you don't have Dig goggles.

Yeah, Crumbz is shit, bu I still think he's better than any jungler Dig could realistically pick up.


He's been shit the whole split except for right at the start. He was shit the whole of last split too except for the start. He goes for items that don't allow him to help his team then dies constantly because of those items. It's about time he gets removed.
Swords
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
6038 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-08-29 20:22:11
August 29 2014 20:18 GMT
#210
On August 30 2014 05:15 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 30 2014 05:12 Numy wrote:
On August 30 2014 05:10 wei2coolman wrote:
On August 30 2014 05:09 Numy wrote:
On August 30 2014 05:07 wei2coolman wrote:
On August 30 2014 05:05 Numy wrote:
On August 30 2014 05:03 wei2coolman wrote:
On August 30 2014 05:01 Swords wrote:
On August 30 2014 04:59 wei2coolman wrote:
jesus christ crumbzz is terrible. I think he's even more problematic than kiwikid.


Both should be replaced. And maybe Qt too - he can't seem to maintain focus on training as an adc for a whole split

The problem with Dig is getting a new player in spots is hard. There are very few open agents or possible players in lower-tiers that would be trade-able that would be a significant upgrade over what Dig already has.


That's a lie lol. Dig players are just too big buddies to actually get kicked. It's why Scarra was around for so long.

Who realistically could replace Crumbz?

Kiwi I could see a few challenger support who are around as good, but then you have to go through rebuild for synergy in botlane.

Who's a better ADC than QTpie that isn't already on a decent LCS team? RobertXLee? but is he really going to leave CoL?


Pretty much any of the junglers in the promos are better than Crumbz and evvery other jungler in LCS is better.

It's easy to say junglers in promos are better than crumbz, considering the level of competition they're playing.


They don't go damage and engage poorly constantly. Think it's pretty easy to see how bad Crumbz is if you don't have Dig goggles.

Yeah, Crumbz is shit, bu I still think he's better than any jungler Dig could realistically pick up.


Dig don't need an all-star caliber jungler, they just need someone who can build the right items for their team comp and engage properly.

On August 30 2014 05:17 ShootAnonymous wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 30 2014 05:12 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:
On August 30 2014 05:09 Numy wrote:
On August 30 2014 05:07 wei2coolman wrote:
On August 30 2014 05:05 Numy wrote:
On August 30 2014 05:03 wei2coolman wrote:
On August 30 2014 05:01 Swords wrote:
On August 30 2014 04:59 wei2coolman wrote:
jesus christ crumbzz is terrible. I think he's even more problematic than kiwikid.


Both should be replaced. And maybe Qt too - he can't seem to maintain focus on training as an adc for a whole split

The problem with Dig is getting a new player in spots is hard. There are very few open agents or possible players in lower-tiers that would be trade-able that would be a significant upgrade over what Dig already has.


That's a lie lol. Dig players are just too big buddies to actually get kicked. It's why Scarra was around for so long.

Who realistically could replace Crumbz?

Kiwi I could see a few challenger support who are around as good, but then you have to go through rebuild for synergy in botlane.

Who's a better ADC than QTpie that isn't already on a decent LCS team? RobertXLee? but is he really going to leave CoL?


Pretty much any of the junglers in the promos are better than Crumbz and evvery other jungler in LCS is better.


Crumbzz just can't be mediocre, like, let's say, Kez, he's either dominating or just useless.
And for Challenger scene, lol, who is better? Heaventime is my only choice, because they have close playstyles, PorpoisePop rides the CaliTrolz back, Saint is Saint and Santorin tilts in important games against decent opponents consistently.

It's not like NA jungle scene has same level of talent like EU has with k0u, Amin, Trashy and crew.


Perhaps it's the armchair critic in me speaking, but surely there exists an non-LCS NA player out there who's able to perform better/more consistently than crumbzz. The onus is entirely on Dig's management to find that player, or develop that player if he doesn't exist yet. To continually fall back on the crutch of "NA no talent QQ" is just their ineptness showing. (IMO. I may have phrased things more harshly than I'm intending + this is also a general comment on NA team managements; dig fans please don't take it personally)


Meh, I'm a huge Dig fan, but they deserve harsh criticism at this point. They basically degraded in skill this split, while still having all the problems they used to have in terms of strategy.

Edit: Hey look! Qt might have actually practiced Tristana finally.
Affenaffe
Profile Joined September 2012
Germany1386 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-08-29 20:22:24
August 29 2014 20:22 GMT
#211
On August 30 2014 05:18 Swords wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 30 2014 05:15 wei2coolman wrote:
On August 30 2014 05:12 Numy wrote:
On August 30 2014 05:10 wei2coolman wrote:
On August 30 2014 05:09 Numy wrote:
On August 30 2014 05:07 wei2coolman wrote:
On August 30 2014 05:05 Numy wrote:
On August 30 2014 05:03 wei2coolman wrote:
On August 30 2014 05:01 Swords wrote:
On August 30 2014 04:59 wei2coolman wrote:
jesus christ crumbzz is terrible. I think he's even more problematic than kiwikid.


Both should be replaced. And maybe Qt too - he can't seem to maintain focus on training as an adc for a whole split

The problem with Dig is getting a new player in spots is hard. There are very few open agents or possible players in lower-tiers that would be trade-able that would be a significant upgrade over what Dig already has.


That's a lie lol. Dig players are just too big buddies to actually get kicked. It's why Scarra was around for so long.

Who realistically could replace Crumbz?

Kiwi I could see a few challenger support who are around as good, but then you have to go through rebuild for synergy in botlane.

Who's a better ADC than QTpie that isn't already on a decent LCS team? RobertXLee? but is he really going to leave CoL?


Pretty much any of the junglers in the promos are better than Crumbz and evvery other jungler in LCS is better.

It's easy to say junglers in promos are better than crumbz, considering the level of competition they're playing.


They don't go damage and engage poorly constantly. Think it's pretty easy to see how bad Crumbz is if you don't have Dig goggles.

Yeah, Crumbz is shit, bu I still think he's better than any jungler Dig could realistically pick up.


Dig don't need an all-star caliber jungler, they just need someone who can build the right items for their team comp and engage properly.


it's a bit sad because crumbzz has really good early game map awareness of the enemies movements and can gank/countergank really well. i don't understand why he cant do the way easier part of the game on a nearly similar level.
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
August 29 2014 20:23 GMT
#212
CLG, why the fuck do you pick lucian when you have zilean + nunu... holy holy shit monte, get your fucking players to think.
liftlift > tsm
Swords
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
6038 Posts
August 29 2014 20:23 GMT
#213
On August 30 2014 05:22 Affenaffe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 30 2014 05:18 Swords wrote:
On August 30 2014 05:15 wei2coolman wrote:
On August 30 2014 05:12 Numy wrote:
On August 30 2014 05:10 wei2coolman wrote:
On August 30 2014 05:09 Numy wrote:
On August 30 2014 05:07 wei2coolman wrote:
On August 30 2014 05:05 Numy wrote:
On August 30 2014 05:03 wei2coolman wrote:
On August 30 2014 05:01 Swords wrote:
[quote]

Both should be replaced. And maybe Qt too - he can't seem to maintain focus on training as an adc for a whole split

The problem with Dig is getting a new player in spots is hard. There are very few open agents or possible players in lower-tiers that would be trade-able that would be a significant upgrade over what Dig already has.


That's a lie lol. Dig players are just too big buddies to actually get kicked. It's why Scarra was around for so long.

Who realistically could replace Crumbz?

Kiwi I could see a few challenger support who are around as good, but then you have to go through rebuild for synergy in botlane.

Who's a better ADC than QTpie that isn't already on a decent LCS team? RobertXLee? but is he really going to leave CoL?


Pretty much any of the junglers in the promos are better than Crumbz and evvery other jungler in LCS is better.

It's easy to say junglers in promos are better than crumbz, considering the level of competition they're playing.


They don't go damage and engage poorly constantly. Think it's pretty easy to see how bad Crumbz is if you don't have Dig goggles.

Yeah, Crumbz is shit, bu I still think he's better than any jungler Dig could realistically pick up.


Dig don't need an all-star caliber jungler, they just need someone who can build the right items for their team comp and engage properly.


it's a bit sad because crumbzz has really good early game map awareness of the enemies movements and can gank/countergank really well. i don't understand why he cant do the way easier part of the game on a nearly similar level.


I've been spamming this, so I apologize, but I really think it has to do with item builds and his communication with the team. When he engages Dig looks like they've been caught entirely off guard by it. And then he dies instantly because he doesn't understand it isn't solo queue and he can't afford to build damage.
oo_Wonderful_oo
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
The land of freedom23126 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-08-29 20:24:46
August 29 2014 20:23 GMT
#214
NA LCS Summer Season Playoffs PAX Prime Consolation Match, bo5, CLG-Dignitas (Game 2)

Team Dignitas - Counter Logic Gaming

Bans:
Twitch, Alistar, Maokai
Ziggs, Nidalee, Zed

Picks:
Syndra, Kha'Zix, Tristana, Dr.Mundo, Thresh.
Ryze, Nunu, Zilean, Lucian, Yasuo.

On August 30 2014 05:17 ShootAnonymous wrote:
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On August 30 2014 05:12 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:
On August 30 2014 05:09 Numy wrote:
On August 30 2014 05:07 wei2coolman wrote:
On August 30 2014 05:05 Numy wrote:
On August 30 2014 05:03 wei2coolman wrote:
On August 30 2014 05:01 Swords wrote:
On August 30 2014 04:59 wei2coolman wrote:
jesus christ crumbzz is terrible. I think he's even more problematic than kiwikid.


Both should be replaced. And maybe Qt too - he can't seem to maintain focus on training as an adc for a whole split

The problem with Dig is getting a new player in spots is hard. There are very few open agents or possible players in lower-tiers that would be trade-able that would be a significant upgrade over what Dig already has.


That's a lie lol. Dig players are just too big buddies to actually get kicked. It's why Scarra was around for so long.

Who realistically could replace Crumbz?

Kiwi I could see a few challenger support who are around as good, but then you have to go through rebuild for synergy in botlane.

Who's a better ADC than QTpie that isn't already on a decent LCS team? RobertXLee? but is he really going to leave CoL?


Pretty much any of the junglers in the promos are better than Crumbz and evvery other jungler in LCS is better.


Crumbzz just can't be mediocre, like, let's say, Kez, he's either dominating or just useless.
And for Challenger scene, lol, who is better? Heaventime is my only choice, because they have close playstyles, PorpoisePop rides the CaliTrolz back, Saint is Saint and Santorin tilts in important games against decent opponents consistently.

It's not like NA jungle scene has same level of talent like EU has with k0u, Amin, Trashy and crew.


Perhaps it's the armchair critic in me speaking, but surely there exists an non-LCS NA player out there who's able to perform better/more consistently than crumbzz. The onus is entirely on Dig's management to find that player, or develop that player if he doesn't exist yet. To continually fall back on the crutch of "NA no talent QQ" is just their ineptness showing. (IMO. I may have phrased things more harshly than I'm intending + this is also a general comment on NA team managements; dig fans please don't take it personally)


That's what we're assuming for years and years while watching Russian national football team.
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Shiznick
Profile Joined December 2008
United States2200 Posts
August 29 2014 20:24 GMT
#215
yasuo w/ no knockups, seems pretty sketchy
Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
August 29 2014 20:24 GMT
#216
On August 30 2014 05:23 Swords wrote:
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On August 30 2014 05:22 Affenaffe wrote:
On August 30 2014 05:18 Swords wrote:
On August 30 2014 05:15 wei2coolman wrote:
On August 30 2014 05:12 Numy wrote:
On August 30 2014 05:10 wei2coolman wrote:
On August 30 2014 05:09 Numy wrote:
On August 30 2014 05:07 wei2coolman wrote:
On August 30 2014 05:05 Numy wrote:
On August 30 2014 05:03 wei2coolman wrote:
[quote]
The problem with Dig is getting a new player in spots is hard. There are very few open agents or possible players in lower-tiers that would be trade-able that would be a significant upgrade over what Dig already has.


That's a lie lol. Dig players are just too big buddies to actually get kicked. It's why Scarra was around for so long.

Who realistically could replace Crumbz?

Kiwi I could see a few challenger support who are around as good, but then you have to go through rebuild for synergy in botlane.

Who's a better ADC than QTpie that isn't already on a decent LCS team? RobertXLee? but is he really going to leave CoL?


Pretty much any of the junglers in the promos are better than Crumbz and evvery other jungler in LCS is better.

It's easy to say junglers in promos are better than crumbz, considering the level of competition they're playing.


They don't go damage and engage poorly constantly. Think it's pretty easy to see how bad Crumbz is if you don't have Dig goggles.

Yeah, Crumbz is shit, bu I still think he's better than any jungler Dig could realistically pick up.


Dig don't need an all-star caliber jungler, they just need someone who can build the right items for their team comp and engage properly.


it's a bit sad because crumbzz has really good early game map awareness of the enemies movements and can gank/countergank really well. i don't understand why he cant do the way easier part of the game on a nearly similar level.


I've been spamming this, so I apologize, but I really think it has to do with item builds and his communication with the team. When he engages Dig looks like they've been caught entirely off guard by it. And then he dies instantly because he doesn't understand it isn't solo queue and he can't afford to build damage.

I remember at the start of the season they were drilling it in hard that crumbzz was the shotcaller, they follow crumbzz for better or for worse and have to listen to him. I wonder what happened there
Glorious SEA doto
Disengaged
Profile Joined July 2010
United States6994 Posts
August 29 2014 20:24 GMT
#217
Poor Seraph.

No Yasuo for him.
Swords
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
6038 Posts
August 29 2014 20:25 GMT
#218
On August 30 2014 05:24 Fusilero wrote:
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On August 30 2014 05:23 Swords wrote:
On August 30 2014 05:22 Affenaffe wrote:
On August 30 2014 05:18 Swords wrote:
On August 30 2014 05:15 wei2coolman wrote:
On August 30 2014 05:12 Numy wrote:
On August 30 2014 05:10 wei2coolman wrote:
On August 30 2014 05:09 Numy wrote:
On August 30 2014 05:07 wei2coolman wrote:
On August 30 2014 05:05 Numy wrote:
[quote]

That's a lie lol. Dig players are just too big buddies to actually get kicked. It's why Scarra was around for so long.

Who realistically could replace Crumbz?

Kiwi I could see a few challenger support who are around as good, but then you have to go through rebuild for synergy in botlane.

Who's a better ADC than QTpie that isn't already on a decent LCS team? RobertXLee? but is he really going to leave CoL?


Pretty much any of the junglers in the promos are better than Crumbz and evvery other jungler in LCS is better.

It's easy to say junglers in promos are better than crumbz, considering the level of competition they're playing.


They don't go damage and engage poorly constantly. Think it's pretty easy to see how bad Crumbz is if you don't have Dig goggles.

Yeah, Crumbz is shit, bu I still think he's better than any jungler Dig could realistically pick up.


Dig don't need an all-star caliber jungler, they just need someone who can build the right items for their team comp and engage properly.


it's a bit sad because crumbzz has really good early game map awareness of the enemies movements and can gank/countergank really well. i don't understand why he cant do the way easier part of the game on a nearly similar level.


I've been spamming this, so I apologize, but I really think it has to do with item builds and his communication with the team. When he engages Dig looks like they've been caught entirely off guard by it. And then he dies instantly because he doesn't understand it isn't solo queue and he can't afford to build damage.

I remember at the start of the season they were drilling it in hard that crumbzz was the shotcaller, they follow crumbzz for better or for worse and have to listen to him. I wonder what happened there


They say that every season. I'm not sure it's actually true. I've heard Crumbz just calls the early game and then it's sort of a free for all - which, if true, is complete garbage and Scarra should be fired if it's still what they do.
Affenaffe
Profile Joined September 2012
Germany1386 Posts
August 29 2014 20:26 GMT
#219
On August 30 2014 05:23 Swords wrote:
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On August 30 2014 05:22 Affenaffe wrote:
On August 30 2014 05:18 Swords wrote:
On August 30 2014 05:15 wei2coolman wrote:
On August 30 2014 05:12 Numy wrote:
On August 30 2014 05:10 wei2coolman wrote:
On August 30 2014 05:09 Numy wrote:
On August 30 2014 05:07 wei2coolman wrote:
On August 30 2014 05:05 Numy wrote:
On August 30 2014 05:03 wei2coolman wrote:
[quote]
The problem with Dig is getting a new player in spots is hard. There are very few open agents or possible players in lower-tiers that would be trade-able that would be a significant upgrade over what Dig already has.


That's a lie lol. Dig players are just too big buddies to actually get kicked. It's why Scarra was around for so long.

Who realistically could replace Crumbz?

Kiwi I could see a few challenger support who are around as good, but then you have to go through rebuild for synergy in botlane.

Who's a better ADC than QTpie that isn't already on a decent LCS team? RobertXLee? but is he really going to leave CoL?


Pretty much any of the junglers in the promos are better than Crumbz and evvery other jungler in LCS is better.

It's easy to say junglers in promos are better than crumbz, considering the level of competition they're playing.


They don't go damage and engage poorly constantly. Think it's pretty easy to see how bad Crumbz is if you don't have Dig goggles.

Yeah, Crumbz is shit, bu I still think he's better than any jungler Dig could realistically pick up.


Dig don't need an all-star caliber jungler, they just need someone who can build the right items for their team comp and engage properly.


it's a bit sad because crumbzz has really good early game map awareness of the enemies movements and can gank/countergank really well. i don't understand why he cant do the way easier part of the game on a nearly similar level.


I've been spamming this, so I apologize, but I really think it has to do with item builds and his communication with the team. When he engages Dig looks like they've been caught entirely off guard by it. And then he dies instantly because he doesn't understand it isn't solo queue and he can't afford to build damage.


haha, yeah, i think we are just agreeing with each other at this point.

i hate the mundo pick, weak lane presence and the nerfs to visage and the mastery regeneration nerf hit him so damn hard.
i can't believe the ryze matchup is that favorable either and he picked into that
Swords
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
6038 Posts
August 29 2014 20:27 GMT
#220
On August 30 2014 05:26 Affenaffe wrote:
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On August 30 2014 05:23 Swords wrote:
On August 30 2014 05:22 Affenaffe wrote:
On August 30 2014 05:18 Swords wrote:
On August 30 2014 05:15 wei2coolman wrote:
On August 30 2014 05:12 Numy wrote:
On August 30 2014 05:10 wei2coolman wrote:
On August 30 2014 05:09 Numy wrote:
On August 30 2014 05:07 wei2coolman wrote:
On August 30 2014 05:05 Numy wrote:
[quote]

That's a lie lol. Dig players are just too big buddies to actually get kicked. It's why Scarra was around for so long.

Who realistically could replace Crumbz?

Kiwi I could see a few challenger support who are around as good, but then you have to go through rebuild for synergy in botlane.

Who's a better ADC than QTpie that isn't already on a decent LCS team? RobertXLee? but is he really going to leave CoL?


Pretty much any of the junglers in the promos are better than Crumbz and evvery other jungler in LCS is better.

It's easy to say junglers in promos are better than crumbz, considering the level of competition they're playing.


They don't go damage and engage poorly constantly. Think it's pretty easy to see how bad Crumbz is if you don't have Dig goggles.

Yeah, Crumbz is shit, bu I still think he's better than any jungler Dig could realistically pick up.


Dig don't need an all-star caliber jungler, they just need someone who can build the right items for their team comp and engage properly.


it's a bit sad because crumbzz has really good early game map awareness of the enemies movements and can gank/countergank really well. i don't understand why he cant do the way easier part of the game on a nearly similar level.


I've been spamming this, so I apologize, but I really think it has to do with item builds and his communication with the team. When he engages Dig looks like they've been caught entirely off guard by it. And then he dies instantly because he doesn't understand it isn't solo queue and he can't afford to build damage.


haha, yeah, i think we are just agreeing with each other at this point.



Yup, and I agree that it's weird he can't figure it out.
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