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wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
March 30 2014 22:30 GMT
#1361
On March 31 2014 07:28 Sleight wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 31 2014 07:22 Alaric wrote:
On March 31 2014 07:18 Sleight wrote:
On March 31 2014 07:13 Alaric wrote:
Get fucked Balls, can't be so lucky everytime.


I have loved following your posts. The best top laner in NA is "just lucky" about 5 times a game. Too funny. Definitely no skill involved to set themselves up for all those "lucky" plays. Total luck that the guy who routinely 1v1s every other top laner manages to survive and get away safely from dicey situations. Luck luck luck luck

You gotta link me "1v1 top laners" and "survive AoE burst by ~100 HP thanks to allies' shields" or "Lulu enters ult range as he has ~100 HP". Follow the game, as bad as it is, not my posts.


He has yet to lose his lane. He 1v1d Dyrus last time they played. He has 1v1d Zion. The rest of the top laners are even worse. And it isn't lucky that his allies USE THEIR SKILLS. You realize these guys scrim without talking to practice learning how each other plays instinctively. Why wouldn't he play knowing to expect Hai's shield on him? Why wouldn't he make a play thinking his teammates can save him? It is a TEAM game. Do you really think that he just obliviously fights and is surprised that his allies use their spells?

i think you're misunderstanding alaric.

alaric isn't saying balls is bad, but got lucky because he lived with like sub 100 hp everytime (before lulu ult was even casted, and was pretty much wasted because he would have lived sub 100 at all anyways)
liftlift > tsm
nafta
Profile Joined August 2010
Bulgaria18893 Posts
March 30 2014 22:32 GMT
#1362
I hope coast and eg lose fast so we can watch lmq vs c9t.
ParadeofMadness
Profile Joined February 2014
United Kingdom1027 Posts
March 30 2014 22:32 GMT
#1363
On March 31 2014 07:29 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 31 2014 07:25 Swords wrote:
On March 31 2014 07:24 beefhamburger wrote:
I think Sneaky is a real viable contender for All-stars, or at least should be. He is at the very least top 3 NA ADC and you could argue him being #1. I don't know how well he can play other lanes, but as an AD he is always impressive imo.


He's really improved a lot. Even early this season he and Lemon looked like the weak link on C9, but they've turned that around completely.

I still don't think he's at the level of Dlift/WT, but he's getting there.


To be honest, they look as weak link always when they face Rush Hour.
But considering fact that C9 this season don't think about laning as much as last season, it's not a problem for them.



the point is you wont get to teamfight phase if you get sht on in laning phase unless you laneswap 100% of the time. Think of C9 botlane facing EDG's bot or imp&mata. How do you contest drake when your ad is 20+cs and levels behind
See Noob, Flame Noob. Top Lane main. 120ping master race Aspire to be one man rape train : choo-choo- yamedie~ mothafucka
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
March 30 2014 22:34 GMT
#1364
On March 31 2014 07:32 ParadeofMadness wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 31 2014 07:29 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:
On March 31 2014 07:25 Swords wrote:
On March 31 2014 07:24 beefhamburger wrote:
I think Sneaky is a real viable contender for All-stars, or at least should be. He is at the very least top 3 NA ADC and you could argue him being #1. I don't know how well he can play other lanes, but as an AD he is always impressive imo.


He's really improved a lot. Even early this season he and Lemon looked like the weak link on C9, but they've turned that around completely.

I still don't think he's at the level of Dlift/WT, but he's getting there.


To be honest, they look as weak link always when they face Rush Hour.
But considering fact that C9 this season don't think about laning as much as last season, it's not a problem for them.



the point is you wont get to teamfight phase if you get sht on in laning phase unless you laneswap 100% of the time. Think of C9 botlane facing EDG's bot or imp&mata. How do you contest drake when your ad is 20+cs and levels behind

tbh, this is how mig blaze dominated really hard in s2 though. just lane swap every game to avoid bad laning phase, cuz lustboy and cptjack was terrible in 2v2.
liftlift > tsm
nafta
Profile Joined August 2010
Bulgaria18893 Posts
March 30 2014 22:34 GMT
#1365
On March 31 2014 07:32 ParadeofMadness wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 31 2014 07:29 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:
On March 31 2014 07:25 Swords wrote:
On March 31 2014 07:24 beefhamburger wrote:
I think Sneaky is a real viable contender for All-stars, or at least should be. He is at the very least top 3 NA ADC and you could argue him being #1. I don't know how well he can play other lanes, but as an AD he is always impressive imo.


He's really improved a lot. Even early this season he and Lemon looked like the weak link on C9, but they've turned that around completely.

I still don't think he's at the level of Dlift/WT, but he's getting there.


To be honest, they look as weak link always when they face Rush Hour.
But considering fact that C9 this season don't think about laning as much as last season, it's not a problem for them.



the point is you wont get to teamfight phase if you get sht on in laning phase unless you laneswap 100% of the time. Think of C9 botlane facing EDG's bot or imp&mata. How do you contest drake when your ad is 20+cs and levels behind

By laneswapping or simply picking well?You can definitely go even vs superior opponents with good picks/swaps or jungle pressure.C9 really aren't that bad at laning dunno why everyone loves to mention it for no reason.
Swords
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
6038 Posts
March 30 2014 22:36 GMT
#1366
I just hope Dig are able to make some adjustments between splits. It looked like they might have some promise at the start of this one and then they turned back into the Dig from last summer - massive weak link in toplane, baron throws, poor strategy/planning.
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
March 30 2014 22:39 GMT
#1367
On March 31 2014 07:36 Swords wrote:
I just hope Dig are able to make some adjustments between splits. It looked like they might have some promise at the start of this one and then they turned back into the Dig from last summer - massive weak link in toplane, baron throws, poor strategy/planning.

When you look at it, they changed support, off laner and now also mid laner compared to last year's sprint split. That's pretty huge in terms of changes and, if anything, the way they treat nashor and their well-known late game throws show that they don't adapt fast. I wonder how long it'll take them to get firmer.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
oo_Wonderful_oo
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
The land of freedom23126 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-30 22:40:45
March 30 2014 22:40 GMT
#1368
On March 31 2014 07:32 ParadeofMadness wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 31 2014 07:29 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:
On March 31 2014 07:25 Swords wrote:
On March 31 2014 07:24 beefhamburger wrote:
I think Sneaky is a real viable contender for All-stars, or at least should be. He is at the very least top 3 NA ADC and you could argue him being #1. I don't know how well he can play other lanes, but as an AD he is always impressive imo.


He's really improved a lot. Even early this season he and Lemon looked like the weak link on C9, but they've turned that around completely.

I still don't think he's at the level of Dlift/WT, but he's getting there.


To be honest, they look as weak link always when they face Rush Hour.
But considering fact that C9 this season don't think about laning as much as last season, it's not a problem for them.



the point is you wont get to teamfight phase if you get sht on in laning phase unless you laneswap 100% of the time. Think of C9 botlane facing EDG's bot or imp&mata. How do you contest drake when your ad is 20+cs and levels behind


Because of it they laneswapped twice against CLG.
And once they 2v2, Draven and Thresh lost to Sivir and Leona.

Imp-Mata isn't even best duo in Korea, they're just agressive as fuck.
LiquidLegends StaffFPL 25 #1 | tfw I cast games on-air | back-to-back Liquibet winner
ParadeofMadness
Profile Joined February 2014
United Kingdom1027 Posts
March 30 2014 22:40 GMT
#1369
On March 31 2014 07:34 nafta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 31 2014 07:32 ParadeofMadness wrote:
On March 31 2014 07:29 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:
On March 31 2014 07:25 Swords wrote:
On March 31 2014 07:24 beefhamburger wrote:
I think Sneaky is a real viable contender for All-stars, or at least should be. He is at the very least top 3 NA ADC and you could argue him being #1. I don't know how well he can play other lanes, but as an AD he is always impressive imo.


He's really improved a lot. Even early this season he and Lemon looked like the weak link on C9, but they've turned that around completely.

I still don't think he's at the level of Dlift/WT, but he's getting there.


To be honest, they look as weak link always when they face Rush Hour.
But considering fact that C9 this season don't think about laning as much as last season, it's not a problem for them.



the point is you wont get to teamfight phase if you get sht on in laning phase unless you laneswap 100% of the time. Think of C9 botlane facing EDG's bot or imp&mata. How do you contest drake when your ad is 20+cs and levels behind

By laneswapping or simply picking well?You can definitely go even vs superior opponents with good picks/swaps or jungle pressure.C9 really aren't that bad at laning dunno why everyone loves to mention it for no reason.


you mean going even while you counterpick your opponent? cuz thats what happens in c9 bot's laning phase. sure you can do that, but that means you have to sacrifice top. Do that against korean teams and gg easy son, any na toplaner getting counterpicked against korean tops, game becomes 4v5
See Noob, Flame Noob. Top Lane main. 120ping master race Aspire to be one man rape train : choo-choo- yamedie~ mothafucka
TitusVI
Profile Joined April 2013
Germany8319 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-30 22:41:58
March 30 2014 22:41 GMT
#1370
actually i wondered why they replaced scara because I never really have seen people criticise him that much.
Even in this forum there wasn't that much critcism about scarra.
Science>Mechanics
nafta
Profile Joined August 2010
Bulgaria18893 Posts
March 30 2014 22:42 GMT
#1371
On March 31 2014 07:40 ParadeofMadness wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 31 2014 07:34 nafta wrote:
On March 31 2014 07:32 ParadeofMadness wrote:
On March 31 2014 07:29 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:
On March 31 2014 07:25 Swords wrote:
On March 31 2014 07:24 beefhamburger wrote:
I think Sneaky is a real viable contender for All-stars, or at least should be. He is at the very least top 3 NA ADC and you could argue him being #1. I don't know how well he can play other lanes, but as an AD he is always impressive imo.


He's really improved a lot. Even early this season he and Lemon looked like the weak link on C9, but they've turned that around completely.

I still don't think he's at the level of Dlift/WT, but he's getting there.


To be honest, they look as weak link always when they face Rush Hour.
But considering fact that C9 this season don't think about laning as much as last season, it's not a problem for them.



the point is you wont get to teamfight phase if you get sht on in laning phase unless you laneswap 100% of the time. Think of C9 botlane facing EDG's bot or imp&mata. How do you contest drake when your ad is 20+cs and levels behind

By laneswapping or simply picking well?You can definitely go even vs superior opponents with good picks/swaps or jungle pressure.C9 really aren't that bad at laning dunno why everyone loves to mention it for no reason.


you mean going even while you counterpick your opponent? cuz thats what happens in c9 bot's laning phase. sure you can do that, but that means you have to sacrifice top. Do that against korean teams and gg easy son, any na toplaner getting counterpicked against korean tops, game becomes 4v5

Why would they have to sacrifice top?What are you even talking about?
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
March 30 2014 22:43 GMT
#1372
On March 31 2014 07:39 Alaric wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 31 2014 07:36 Swords wrote:
I just hope Dig are able to make some adjustments between splits. It looked like they might have some promise at the start of this one and then they turned back into the Dig from last summer - massive weak link in toplane, baron throws, poor strategy/planning.

When you look at it, they changed support, off laner and now also mid laner compared to last year's sprint split. That's pretty huge in terms of changes and, if anything, the way they treat nashor and their well-known late game throws show that they don't adapt fast. I wonder how long it'll take them to get firmer.

tbh kiwi's worked out really well, and bot lane not really an issue for Dig, in fact it's their strongest lane. kiwi this split playing better than patoy in last split
liftlift > tsm
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
March 30 2014 22:44 GMT
#1373
nintendudex no k6, that means when he gets caught, he'll actually get caught.
liftlift > tsm
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
March 30 2014 22:44 GMT
#1374
On March 31 2014 07:41 TitusVI wrote:
actually i wondered why they replaced scara because I never really have seen people criticise him that much.
Even in this forum there wasn't that much critcism about scarra.


Scarra has not looked even remotely good since... S2?
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
March 30 2014 22:45 GMT
#1375
On March 31 2014 07:44 wei2coolman wrote:
nintendudex no k6, that means when he gets caught, he'll actually get caught.


The burn
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
March 30 2014 22:46 GMT
#1376
why pick varus and eve into k6 and lee sin? such dumb idea >.>
liftlift > tsm
nafta
Profile Joined August 2010
Bulgaria18893 Posts
March 30 2014 22:46 GMT
#1377
Really not a fan of the varus vs that team.Literally every single person can dodge/block his ultimate...
ParadeofMadness
Profile Joined February 2014
United Kingdom1027 Posts
March 30 2014 22:47 GMT
#1378
On March 31 2014 07:42 nafta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 31 2014 07:40 ParadeofMadness wrote:
On March 31 2014 07:34 nafta wrote:
On March 31 2014 07:32 ParadeofMadness wrote:
On March 31 2014 07:29 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:
On March 31 2014 07:25 Swords wrote:
On March 31 2014 07:24 beefhamburger wrote:
I think Sneaky is a real viable contender for All-stars, or at least should be. He is at the very least top 3 NA ADC and you could argue him being #1. I don't know how well he can play other lanes, but as an AD he is always impressive imo.


He's really improved a lot. Even early this season he and Lemon looked like the weak link on C9, but they've turned that around completely.

I still don't think he's at the level of Dlift/WT, but he's getting there.


To be honest, they look as weak link always when they face Rush Hour.
But considering fact that C9 this season don't think about laning as much as last season, it's not a problem for them.



the point is you wont get to teamfight phase if you get sht on in laning phase unless you laneswap 100% of the time. Think of C9 botlane facing EDG's bot or imp&mata. How do you contest drake when your ad is 20+cs and levels behind

By laneswapping or simply picking well?You can definitely go even vs superior opponents with good picks/swaps or jungle pressure.C9 really aren't that bad at laning dunno why everyone loves to mention it for no reason.


you mean going even while you counterpick your opponent? cuz thats what happens in c9 bot's laning phase. sure you can do that, but that means you have to sacrifice top. Do that against korean teams and gg easy son, any na toplaner getting counterpicked against korean tops, game becomes 4v5

Why would they have to sacrifice top?What are you even talking about?


wtf, this isn't soloqueqe . One lane's weakness affects other lanes. you compensate botlanes weakness by counterpicking them, then In the drafting phase you have to pick top/jungle/mid first. Jungle has low champion pool so it gets priotiorized. No one wants their mid to get counterpicked because how mid-dependent this meta is. So top becomes the sacrifical lamb.

You are assuming you can just counterpick an enemy team botlane without weakening your other lanes. But any good team with their head on right in the drafting phase wont allow that to happen.
See Noob, Flame Noob. Top Lane main. 120ping master race Aspire to be one man rape train : choo-choo- yamedie~ mothafucka
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands21961 Posts
March 30 2014 22:48 GMT
#1379
EG VS Coast

Bans: Jax, Ziggs, Nidalee
Bans: Pantheon, Lulu, Thresh

Picks: Kha'zix, Lee Sin, Lucian, Zed, Morgana
Picks: Leona, LeBlanc, Evelynn, Varus, Renekton
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
Sleight
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
2471 Posts
March 30 2014 22:49 GMT
#1380
On March 31 2014 07:46 wei2coolman wrote:
why pick varus and eve into k6 and lee sin? such dumb idea >.>


everyone knows that when you have a hyper mobile enemy team, you need to pick a completely immobile adc, because it is so unbelievably stupid, the other team will think you are superbaiting them. Duh.
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