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Australia18228 Posts
Ozone probably has the best chance against SKT, if their players show up.
Looper can deal with Impact - with the current meta, it should be pretty even at top with neither making any plays early.
dade has to show up and out 1v1 Faker (or at least go even and exert huge amounts of pressure) and DanDy is smart enough to deny Bengi from helping mid out. Which would let Mata makes plays at bottom and when Imp gets fed, he can carry Ozone through the rest.
Biggest problem I think, is that Ozone's strength is early sieges/poke and if they stick to that, dade can't keep Faker down with Nidalee. And a lane combo like Caitlyn-Nami for SKT should be able to shut down Lucian/Ezreal-Leona/Thresh
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On January 10 2014 00:47 GTPGlitch wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2014 19:52 baekgom84 wrote:On January 09 2014 18:42 cascades wrote:On January 09 2014 15:57 baekgom84 wrote:On January 09 2014 15:33 Uldridge wrote:
Have you wacthed game 1? Especially Impact, but Piglet aswell carried hard that game. I honestly felt Faker got shut down a little bit in that game, he didn't even go for DFG rush but went safe athene's style. Probably for Graggy's burst and Shyv's burnout and descent, but still.. he wasn't super huge there like he was in game 3 for example. Yeah but that's kind of my point: focusing on Faker isn't the key to beating SKT. My theory is that instead of trying to keep him down, just try and mitigate the damage he can do while putting pressure on top and bot (mainly bot). The point is to force SKT into a position where Faker becomes the carry, but to deny him the items to carry as hard as he is often capable of, so that you can survive long enough to break through the tank line and kill both Faker and Piglet with enough members left to win the teamfight. I have no idea if that will actually work or not. G3. "instead of trying to keep him down, ..., force SKT into a position where Faker becomes the carry, but to deny him the items to carry as hard,...". How. Think, then explain. Well, by playing passively against him and denying him kills from all-ins, but also making sure he doesn't roam and pick up cheap kills that way either. Yes I saw G3 and he was terrifying, but he snowballed off a few kills he picked up in lane and from roaming. The idea would be to manage the threat, rather than try to eliminate it entirely. Hey, take my 'analysis' with a grain of salt, I'm just throwing stuff out there. SKT obviously aren't invincible, but what's their weakness? How do you beat them? You're literally just saying "beat faker and all the other lanes by playing perfectly"... That's not really a plan...
No, the point is to let Faker basically win the lane but deny him kills, while focusing your resources on keeping the other lanes down, and then hopefully win teamfights and take objectives in the mid game. The idea is not to beat Faker but just to reduce his carry potential as much as possible, while at the same time not committing too many resources to containing him (because you need those to hold down the other lanes). If it's even feasible then yeah, it would need perfect execution, but with the form SKT are in right now, nothing less than perfect execution (of any strategy) is going to take them down.
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United States23455 Posts
All Stars will be Shy/Flame, KaKAO, Faker, Piglet, Madlife. Shy and Flame are equally as popular. KaKAO is super popular and should be the lone KTB representative.
I want White Shield to win. Would be an even bigger David vs. Goliath than Blaze/Ozone. SKT are on the verge of being a dynasty with a Champions victory. That would be Summer, Korean Regional, S3 Worlds and Winter back-to-back-to-back-to-back with only WCG being their break time.
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United Kingdom50293 Posts
On January 10 2014 06:13 Fionn wrote:
All Stars will be Shy/Flame, KaKAO, Faker, Piglet, Madlife. Shy and Flame are equally as popular. KaKAO is super popular and should be the lone KTB representative.
I want White Shield to win. Would be an even bigger David vs. Goliath than Blaze/Ozone. SKT are on the verge of being a dynasty with a Champions victory. That would be Summer, Korean Regional, S3 Worlds and Winter back-to-back-to-back-to-back with only WCG being their break time.
Yeah but we'd have to live in a world where the statement "Remember that time najin shield made the finals of OGN" is valid.
I just don't feel like shield could win a best of series vs ozone, dandy with proper preparation can easily shut down nofe, nofe has improved loads but he's still behind kakao/bengi/dandy and looper is a massive step up from gimgoon for save.
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On January 10 2014 02:03 baekgom84 wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On January 10 2014 00:47 GTPGlitch wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2014 19:52 baekgom84 wrote:On January 09 2014 18:42 cascades wrote:On January 09 2014 15:57 baekgom84 wrote:On January 09 2014 15:33 Uldridge wrote:
Have you wacthed game 1? Especially Impact, but Piglet aswell carried hard that game. I honestly felt Faker got shut down a little bit in that game, he didn't even go for DFG rush but went safe athene's style. Probably for Graggy's burst and Shyv's burnout and descent, but still.. he wasn't super huge there like he was in game 3 for example. Yeah but that's kind of my point: focusing on Faker isn't the key to beating SKT. My theory is that instead of trying to keep him down, just try and mitigate the damage he can do while putting pressure on top and bot (mainly bot). The point is to force SKT into a position where Faker becomes the carry, but to deny him the items to carry as hard as he is often capable of, so that you can survive long enough to break through the tank line and kill both Faker and Piglet with enough members left to win the teamfight. I have no idea if that will actually work or not. G3. "instead of trying to keep him down, ..., force SKT into a position where Faker becomes the carry, but to deny him the items to carry as hard,...". How. Think, then explain. Well, by playing passively against him and denying him kills from all-ins, but also making sure he doesn't roam and pick up cheap kills that way either. Yes I saw G3 and he was terrifying, but he snowballed off a few kills he picked up in lane and from roaming. The idea would be to manage the threat, rather than try to eliminate it entirely. Hey, take my 'analysis' with a grain of salt, I'm just throwing stuff out there. SKT obviously aren't invincible, but what's their weakness? How do you beat them? You're literally just saying "beat faker and all the other lanes by playing perfectly"... That's not really a plan... No, the point is to let Faker basically win the lane but deny him kills, while focusing your resources on keeping the other lanes down, and then hopefully win teamfights and take objectives in the mid game. The idea is not to beat Faker but just to reduce his carry potential as much as possible, while at the same time not committing too many resources to containing him (because you need those to hold down the other lanes). If it's even feasible then yeah, it would need perfect execution, but with the form SKT are in right now, nothing less than perfect execution (of any strategy) is going to take them down.
But if you just passive it up against faker, or any other lane for that matter, he'll get farmed like mad. There's a reason people want to deny not just gold but also exp. Staying equal is much riskier in some instances than trying for all ins at certain points in the game.
To win, you're basically saying jungle should pressure top and bottom (or them going some funky rotations), mid should stay where he is and occupy the other mid and get an advantage somehow by not going all in at certain points but being patient for ganks and outfarming. But I still think there's too many factors going on at once for this passive kind of style while it being too transparant for the opposing team.
What do you do when they all in you?
What do you do about them faking a roam?
Warding, roaming yourself?
What if they keep constant pressure on mid with their jungle hovering over that area while their top and bot lane play super conservative?
There would be so many scenario's that need to be handled before some superplan can be brought to defeat a game so dynamic.
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United States23455 Posts
actually dade coming back to god mode to stop another legendary streak would be hilarious.
Blaze were 13 straight. SKT are 12 straight. only dade can save us
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United Kingdom50293 Posts
On January 10 2014 06:50 Fionn wrote:
actually dade coming back to god mode to stop another legendary streak would be hilarious.
Blaze were 13 straight. SKT are 12 straight. only dade can save us
And then next worlds they will choke, hilariously underperform and be eliminated first round. Then KTB wins worlds, goes 13-0 next season and gets stomped by ozone.
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I think the real answe is to #freeHomme
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On January 10 2014 06:40 Uldridge wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2014 02:03 baekgom84 wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On January 10 2014 00:47 GTPGlitch wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2014 19:52 baekgom84 wrote:On January 09 2014 18:42 cascades wrote:On January 09 2014 15:57 baekgom84 wrote:On January 09 2014 15:33 Uldridge wrote:
Have you wacthed game 1? Especially Impact, but Piglet aswell carried hard that game. I honestly felt Faker got shut down a little bit in that game, he didn't even go for DFG rush but went safe athene's style. Probably for Graggy's burst and Shyv's burnout and descent, but still.. he wasn't super huge there like he was in game 3 for example. Yeah but that's kind of my point: focusing on Faker isn't the key to beating SKT. My theory is that instead of trying to keep him down, just try and mitigate the damage he can do while putting pressure on top and bot (mainly bot). The point is to force SKT into a position where Faker becomes the carry, but to deny him the items to carry as hard as he is often capable of, so that you can survive long enough to break through the tank line and kill both Faker and Piglet with enough members left to win the teamfight. I have no idea if that will actually work or not. G3. "instead of trying to keep him down, ..., force SKT into a position where Faker becomes the carry, but to deny him the items to carry as hard,...". How. Think, then explain. Well, by playing passively against him and denying him kills from all-ins, but also making sure he doesn't roam and pick up cheap kills that way either. Yes I saw G3 and he was terrifying, but he snowballed off a few kills he picked up in lane and from roaming. The idea would be to manage the threat, rather than try to eliminate it entirely. Hey, take my 'analysis' with a grain of salt, I'm just throwing stuff out there. SKT obviously aren't invincible, but what's their weakness? How do you beat them? You're literally just saying "beat faker and all the other lanes by playing perfectly"... That's not really a plan... No, the point is to let Faker basically win the lane but deny him kills, while focusing your resources on keeping the other lanes down, and then hopefully win teamfights and take objectives in the mid game. The idea is not to beat Faker but just to reduce his carry potential as much as possible, while at the same time not committing too many resources to containing him (because you need those to hold down the other lanes). If it's even feasible then yeah, it would need perfect execution, but with the form SKT are in right now, nothing less than perfect execution (of any strategy) is going to take them down. But if you just passive it up against faker, or any other lane for that matter, he'll get farmed like mad. There's a reason people want to deny not just gold but also exp. Staying equal is much riskier in some instances than trying for all ins at certain points in the game. To win, you're basically saying jungle should pressure top and bottom (or them going some funky rotations), mid should stay where he is and occupy the other mid and get an advantage somehow by not going all in at certain points but being patient for ganks and outfarming. But I still think there's too many factors going on at once for this passive kind of style while it being too transparant for the opposing team. What do you do when they all in you? What do you do about them faking a roam? Warding, roaming yourself? What if they keep constant pressure on mid with their jungle hovering over that area while their top and bot lane play super conservative? There would be so many scenario's that need to be handled before some superplan can be brought to defeat a game so dynamic.
I don't know, lol. Picks/bans and lane swaps would be of supreme importance, but I don't really know enough about the subtleties of laning to speak with any confidence about that. To be honest, I fully expect SKT to go 3:0 in the final, regardless of who their opposition will be. I know Ozone has had a good record against them in recent times, but SKT have matured a lot since then, and as of right now are probably the best League of Legends team the world has yet seen. They are beatable, but who's going to beat them, and how?
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On January 10 2014 06:50 Fionn wrote:
actually dade coming back to god mode to stop another legendary streak would be hilarious.
Blaze were 13 straight. SKT are 12 straight. only dade can save us
Aren't SKT on a 15win streak in the OGN? Or are we not including the Summer finals?
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On January 10 2014 09:54 Gexs wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2014 06:50 Fionn wrote:
actually dade coming back to god mode to stop another legendary streak would be hilarious.
Blaze were 13 straight. SKT are 12 straight. only dade can save us Aren't SKT on a 15win streak in the OGN? Or are we not including the Summer finals?
In OGN yeah, but since they lost at WCG I think that streak was broken.
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HYYYYYYYYYYYYPE. Fuck healthy sleep schedules, who gives a shit if it's the less exciting semi finals of the two. It's mother fuckin' OGN time bitches!!
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WHOS UR DADEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE??????????????
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Uh, don't know who to root for. I like Shield because of Grape, but Ozone is the last hope when it comes to beating SKT.
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Shield got Grape, but Ozone would give the more hypeable finals
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On January 10 2014 18:38 Gahlo wrote:
UGh, don't know who to root for. I like Shield because of Grape, but Ozone is the last hope when it comes to beating SKT.
Lol, SKT will crush Ozone aswell
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From the way the thread, and the commentators, have talked about this, I feel like it's going to be a 3-0 for Ozone. 3-1 max.
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On January 10 2014 18:41 ghrur wrote:
From the way the thread, and the commentators, have talked about this, I feel like it's going to be a 3-0 for Ozone. 3-1 max.
3-0 is very possible, but im gonna say 3-1.
Edit: I wanna add that Ozone still is a big question mark for me personally, sure they crushed Frost, but Frost has been laughable this season and well their group wasnt the best.
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