EPT[OGN] PandoraTV Champions Winter 2013-14 - Page 141
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Itsmedudeman
United States19229 Posts
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bittman
Australia8759 Posts
Dade "lately" especially has really pulled himself through the downer or whatever and now looks to be back in that second place you deem him to be. I think everyone would agree he's still no faker though. I'll give you imp though. I don't think he looks close to piglet right now. Matchup wise I think SKT definitely still has the better carries, Ozone has the better support, and they're probably even on the other two as Looper has come into his own a bit now. But then again the Ozone that lost to shield in their first group stage game could show up tomorrow night *shudders*. | ||
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Itsmedudeman
United States19229 Posts
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baekgom84
Korea (South)375 Posts
Of course, SKT have probably the best bot duo in Korea right now, so even if this is a workable plan, there's still the small matter of being able to beat Piglet and Mandu on your own merits. I thought Score and Mafa were in pretty beastly form but they got straight up murdered by the Hundred Acre Lane last night. | ||
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Lord Tolkien
United States12084 Posts
Also, that 100 hp nexus. | ||
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Uldridge
Belgium5226 Posts
On January 09 2014 13:53 baekgom84 wrote: My noob analysis of the situation is that the key to taking down SKT is to deny Faker the chance to roam and/or get kills, while managing to pressure the other lanes, particularly bot. That's easier said than done with pretty much every member of SKT in superb form right now, but I feel like SKT is built around Faker in the sense that they are adept at withstanding pressure placed on mid; the more resources the opponents divert to keeping down Faker, the more freedom SKT has for their other lanes to carry. Maybe if you divert just enough resources to stop Faker from getting overly fed, while managing to keep down the other lanes (especially bot) you will do enough to be in a favourable situation against SKT by mid-game, from which you will simply need to be on point with shot-calling and the execution of picks and teamfights. Of course, SKT have probably the best bot duo in Korea right now, so even if this is a workable plan, there's still the small matter of being able to beat Piglet and Mandu on your own merits. I thought Score and Mafa were in pretty beastly form but they got straight up murdered by the Hundred Acre Lane last night. Have you wacthed game 1? Especially Impact, but Piglet aswell carried hard that game. I honestly felt Faker got shut down a little bit in that game, he didn't even go for DFG rush but went safe athene's style. Probably for Graggy's burst and Shyv's burnout and descent, but still.. he wasn't super huge there like he was in game 3 for example. | ||
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
Also was sad to not see Score on Ezreal G3, its his best champion, how do you not use it once? Also #2, Pooh's Zyra was not that great, not sold that she is very strong right now. Also #3, if SKT goes 3-0 or 3-1 in the finals this would be the most dominant season (or "split" i guess) of any league team ever, in arguably the strongest league, at arguably its most competitive time to date. | ||
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baekgom84
Korea (South)375 Posts
On January 09 2014 15:33 Uldridge wrote: Have you wacthed game 1? Especially Impact, but Piglet aswell carried hard that game. I honestly felt Faker got shut down a little bit in that game, he didn't even go for DFG rush but went safe athene's style. Probably for Graggy's burst and Shyv's burnout and descent, but still.. he wasn't super huge there like he was in game 3 for example. Yeah but that's kind of my point: focusing on Faker isn't the key to beating SKT. My theory is that instead of trying to keep him down, just try and mitigate the damage he can do while putting pressure on top and bot (mainly bot). The point is to force SKT into a position where Faker becomes the carry, but to deny him the items to carry as hard as he is often capable of, so that you can survive long enough to break through the tank line and kill both Faker and Piglet with enough members left to win the teamfight. I have no idea if that will actually work or not. | ||
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
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bittman
Australia8759 Posts
On January 09 2014 18:25 oneofthem wrote: i think mandu is really popular in kr so he might win the support vote I think all of SKT are about as popular as you get. But MadLife is another level of popular. CloudTemplar for jungle vote imo. | ||
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cascades
Singapore6122 Posts
On January 09 2014 15:57 baekgom84 wrote: Yeah but that's kind of my point: focusing on Faker isn't the key to beating SKT. My theory is that instead of trying to keep him down, just try and mitigate the damage he can do while putting pressure on top and bot (mainly bot). The point is to force SKT into a position where Faker becomes the carry, but to deny him the items to carry as hard as he is often capable of, so that you can survive long enough to break through the tank line and kill both Faker and Piglet with enough members left to win the teamfight. I have no idea if that will actually work or not. G3. "instead of trying to keep him down, ..., force SKT into a position where Faker becomes the carry, but to deny him the items to carry as hard,...". How. Think, then explain. | ||
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
On January 09 2014 18:31 bittman wrote: I think all of SKT are about as popular as you get. But MadLife is another level of popular. CloudTemplar for jungle vote imo. mandu was a star before joining skt, having been a top chaos player and also a key player in GSG. | ||
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baekgom84
Korea (South)375 Posts
On January 09 2014 18:42 cascades wrote: G3. "instead of trying to keep him down, ..., force SKT into a position where Faker becomes the carry, but to deny him the items to carry as hard,...". How. Think, then explain. Well, by playing passively against him and denying him kills from all-ins, but also making sure he doesn't roam and pick up cheap kills that way either. Yes I saw G3 and he was terrifying, but he snowballed off a few kills he picked up in lane and from roaming. The idea would be to manage the threat, rather than try to eliminate it entirely. Hey, take my 'analysis' with a grain of salt, I'm just throwing stuff out there. SKT obviously aren't invincible, but what's their weakness? How do you beat them? | ||
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
What more are you supposed to do if Faker is on a champion with waveclear? I mean, Game 1 was a pretty low-kill game and Faker got beat early (and went ham too often late) but Piglet's mechanics were really good (and a little lucky) and Impact got huge. | ||
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Nos-
Canada12016 Posts
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
You could probably do the same if you had a sick toplaner that could dominate Impact, but the modern toplane leaves little room for that level of outplay. | ||
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
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GTPGlitch
5061 Posts
On January 09 2014 19:52 baekgom84 wrote: Well, by playing passively against him and denying him kills from all-ins, but also making sure he doesn't roam and pick up cheap kills that way either. Yes I saw G3 and he was terrifying, but he snowballed off a few kills he picked up in lane and from roaming. The idea would be to manage the threat, rather than try to eliminate it entirely. Hey, take my 'analysis' with a grain of salt, I'm just throwing stuff out there. SKT obviously aren't invincible, but what's their weakness? How do you beat them? You're literally just saying "beat faker and all the other lanes by playing perfectly"... That's not really a plan... | ||
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
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clickrush
Switzerland3257 Posts
In g1 he actually was "winning" the lane. But this was also a kind of a sad story IMO. In that matchup gragas is superiour by default, he should have destroyed faker without insec teleganking. And even after he got fb on faker he didn't snowball his lane but misses more or less easy barrels on his botlane gank (the tumble anticipation was smart judgment but he could have thrown it in a way that would 100% hit piglet there). Now imagine Ryu would have the confidence to bully faker on his own in mid and insec teleganking bot at this time on impact who had an allready significant cs lead over him. This would have led to a dragon (skt got the first one...). Then imagine ryu actually hitting his ult on piglet on his first gank. The game would have been much different i think. | ||
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