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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
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PrinceXizor
United States17713 Posts
On September 22 2013 16:46 JBright wrote: I watched it again just now and the only time he was even close to influencing the decision was for NaJin's pick. He completely stopped before NaJin or C9's picks and it didn't matter what the Bears picked. I sent a PM explaining with timestamps.  I know you get a million of them though.  | ||
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Gahlo
United States35150 Posts
On September 22 2013 16:45 mr_tolkien wrote: Funny how no EU team ended up behind a NA team is this pool play. Thank god Vulcun beat Fnatic on first day and showed us who was the boss ! :o Yeah, it only took quadruple position swap by TSM in a game that meant nothing to happen. | ||
TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On September 22 2013 16:47 Gahlo wrote: Yeah, KR and CN should have been given more slots at world to make these chances higher! C'mon now. Either you go fully for "competitive integrity", give the best regions a deserving number of slots, and let the dice roll in fairness for the competitors. Or you go fully for hype by ensuring regions are evenly represented, and setting up the Ro8 so teams get to face competitors from other regions. Don't go half-assed like Riot did. Either your tournament is legitimately supposed to be a "world championship" or you set everything up with entertainment and hype up from the ground up. If you half-ass it both ways you get neither. | ||
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scrubtastic
1166 Posts
On September 22 2013 16:42 Fionn wrote: Yeah it sucks. If Royal had been in the group stages and not OMG, instead of everyone hyping and talking about OMG's amazing early game and how awesome Cool and LoveLin are, we would have probably had people gushing over how Uzi is the best ADC in the world and how flipping insane but awesome Royal's strategies are. Logically it's better Royal had a free ride to the quarterfinals, but OMG picked up probably a ton of new fans this week. Cool and LoveLin have become marquee names that casual North American and European fans will remember when they're brought up in the future. If Uzi and Royal Club lose in a single Bo3, no one is really going to remember them at all or hype them up. This is why I wish they had the top four teams that got byes to play a round robin of their own, letting the team who finished first pick their opponent in the first round. I fucking like this idea. Well not necessarily round robin (it could be MSL style) but having *some* sort of round robin for the 4 seeded guys gets us: 1) a ranking! That can be used so that #1 and #2 for example can pick their opponents and avoid this CN vs CN single elim bullshit 2) more exposure to seeded teams so that fans can watch the seeded teams make awesome plays and gain fans 3) some tourney experience for seeded teams that they may not even have. Royal has never gone to an international tourney, right? *edit* yes I basically summarized your post but shit I really liked this idea *edit 2* honestly at this point I'm kinda hoping Royal gets through so we can see more of them | ||
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UmberBane
Germany5450 Posts
On September 22 2013 16:49 TheYango wrote: Either you go fully for "competitive integrity", give the best regions a deserving number of slots, and let the dice roll in fairness for the competitors. Or you go fully for hype by ensuring regions are evenly represented, and setting up the Ro8 so teams get to face competitors from other regions. Don't go half-assed like Riot did. Either your tournament is legitimately supposed to be a "world championship" or you set everything up with entertainment and hype up from the ground up. If you half-ass it both ways you get neither. Meh it's hard to say what "full hype" means in this context, you know? I really don't like the format, but the tradeoff with the draw right now is at least that the chances of having a KR only and definitely CN only finals are very, very slim/gone. So maybe that's what the hype goes to, instead of the quarters. Meh :I | ||
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PrinceXizor
United States17713 Posts
On September 22 2013 16:49 TheYango wrote: Either you go fully for "competitive integrity", give the best regions a deserving number of slots, and let the dice roll in fairness for the competitors. Or you go fully for hype by ensuring regions are evenly represented, and setting up the Ro8 so teams get to face competitors from other regions. Don't go half-assed like Riot did. Either your tournament is legitimately supposed to be a "world championship" or you set everything up with entertainment and hype up from the ground up. If you half-ass it both ways you get neither. Absolutely agree again. You can't try to hype things up as much as possible while claiming its still a legit world championship to decide the best in the world. | ||
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1ntrigue
Australia948 Posts
Apart from the entire tournament format. Wait, what? | ||
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Cubu
1171 Posts
On September 22 2013 16:49 TheYango wrote: Either you go fully for "competitive integrity", give the best regions a deserving number of slots, and let the dice roll in fairness for the competitors. Or you go fully for hype by ensuring regions are evenly represented, and setting up the Ro8 so teams get to face competitors from other regions. Don't go half-assed like Riot did. Either your tournament is legitimately supposed to be a "world championship" or you set everything up with entertainment and hype up from the ground up. If you half-ass it both ways you get neither. didnt they get both of that? Best of each region and evenly represented regions. 2 KR, 2 EU, 2 CN, 1 SEA and 1 NA, not perfectly even but its balanced enough. | ||
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Dan HH
Romania9118 Posts
On September 22 2013 16:45 TheYango wrote: Going into that group draw there was actually a 50% chance that at least one Ro8 match would be either CN vs CN or KR vs KR. Which is stupid as fuck. Riot, you shouldn't allow this to be possible. In all seriousness - that was the point, it was designed specifically to work this way. iirc Riot said the reason why they keep the byes is to avoid having one region dominate, and this is how they do it. | ||
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Tal
United Kingdom1015 Posts
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Fionn
United States23455 Posts
Next season I hope they fix the main playoff bracket to give the top four teams with byes more exposure, and if they're not going to double elim (I prefer single elim, anyways), then at least they make every round Bo5 to make sure the best team always goes through. The current format sucks for teams like the Bears and Royal. Mineski, a team that went 0-8, will probably walk away from the World Championships with a larger fan base and people talking about them than either Royal or the Bears if they don't advance in the Ro8. With the six days of hype, games, and interviews, the 700k+ viewers around the world got to get to know Kaigu and the lovable losers of Mineski. When people see them streaming or playing in a tournament, people will remember them. If Royal or the Bears go 0-2 and are out in less than two hours, who is going to remember them? | ||
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UmberBane
Germany5450 Posts
On September 22 2013 16:58 Tal wrote: I'm really disappointed in this tournament format. Why can't there be a rule that stops two teams of the same nationality meeting in quarter finals? Semi-finals is fine, but this way just sucks. As if China hadn't been shafted enough already... I just guess that it's more important to them to avoid having a KR only or CN only final and for that sacrifice quarter final hype. :-/ | ||
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1ntrigue
Australia948 Posts
On September 22 2013 16:19 TheYango wrote: I disagree. WE plays shitty in Bo1, but their BoX play is still scary as fuck. Stronger than both OMG and Royal. That's very true, especially from a WE fan. WE turn up on LANs (especially in gruelling gauntlet tournaments like IPL5). They can get trashed by OMG and Royal during the season to turn up and trounce them in LANs. Actually, iG are quite good in LAN settings as well. Their fundamentals are just so strong, even if their preparation is lacking compared to OMG. | ||
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nikuniku
212 Posts
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mr_tolkien
France8631 Posts
On September 22 2013 17:00 nikuniku wrote: To think that some of the best teams in the world will not get as much limelight as GG.EU and Mineski is just mind-blowing dumb. Maybe it's because they're not the best teams in the world  | ||
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akalarry
United States1978 Posts
except the top four teams that are seeded directly into the quarterfinals don't play any games and can possibly get 0-2'd out of the tournament. i want to see how cloud 9 stacks up with the other teams. i've already seen all these awesome games by fnatic against the west and east. fuck this if c9 loses to fnatic. i wanted to see them play najin blacksword, omg and royal. i wanted to see how royal played against the koreans and western teams...etc now it's possible we may never get to see these top seeded teams play against each other for another year. wtf? | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On September 22 2013 16:49 TheYango wrote: Either you go fully for "competitive integrity", give the best regions a deserving number of slots, and let the dice roll in fairness for the competitors. Or you go fully for hype by ensuring regions are evenly represented, and setting up the Ro8 so teams get to face competitors from other regions. Don't go half-assed like Riot did. Either your tournament is legitimately supposed to be a "world championship" or you set everything up with entertainment and hype up from the ground up. If you half-ass it both ways you get neither. There's no good way of doing worlds tbh. If this was essentially only 'deserving' teams go, you'd have to hold international qualifiers to determine seeding and rankings. But if your doing that, then just make that the tourney, but then how do you determine which of those teams are invited for that qualifier? There's literally no way of doing it realistically without any arbitration. Edit: talking about region splitting not main tourney format. | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On September 22 2013 16:57 Dan HH wrote: In all seriousness - that was the point, it was designed specifically to work this way. iirc Riot said the reason why they keep the byes is to avoid having one region dominate, and this is how they do it. And I say fuck you to that. The whole goddamn point of worlds is to find out where the other regions stand relative to each other. Why pussyfoot around it? If one region is good enough to dominate, then THE WHOLE POINT OF THE TOURNAMENT IS FOR US TO FIND THAT OUT! EDIT: If you want to do that at Worlds fine. But then don't squelch international competition for the other 11 months of the year. | ||
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kongoline
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