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On September 22 2013 17:21 TheYango wrote:Show nested quote +On September 22 2013 17:19 oneofthem wrote:
since you are playing to an audience that only knows western teams and those foreign teams that played in groups, OMG vs Royal won't get that much attention.
bears vs t1 will be another faker worship session. gambit vs sword is okay, but we haven't seen sword in quite a long long time, so they'll be 'random korean team' status. That's the thing, having East vs. West matchups actually creates more hype than having inter-Asia matches for both the Western and Eastern audiences.
I think the fear is west vs east will result in all east Semi finals and then no hype. Even though Fnatic fans will want to see the team that beat Fnatic go all the way to justify their loss, same with C9, gambit. Not to mention that international competition is how you build fanbases in other countries. so by putting this system in place they are hurting themselves in the long run for hype.
On September 22 2013 17:22 Dodgin wrote:
Unless C9 beats Fnatic It's already hurt the legitimacy of it, of course it probably won't change anything in terms of NA fanbase because where the fuck else are they going to go? dota?
NA dota has been looking pretty sexy lately, especially team liquid. some might say...waytosexy. ^_^ But yeah Riot has a strangle hold on NA fandom as long as NA teams keep appearing in international competitions seeded, even if they always drop out right after. and since they control all international competition they can ensure this.
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Clearly worlds needed to be 4 korean teams [not including ozone, cuz fuck dade], 4 chinese teams [omg, royal, we, ig], 2 eu teams [fnatic and gambit] 1 na team [c9] and 1 tw team cuz last year.
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On September 22 2013 17:26 wei2coolman wrote:
Clearly worlds needed to be 4 korean teams [not including ozone, cuz fuck dade], 4 chinese teams [omg, royal, we, ig], 2 eu teams [fnatic and gambit] 1 na team [c9] and 1 tw team cuz last year.
Sure if they do alow for more international tournaments again like IEM and MLG. If not Pro play in western regions will just bleed out.
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On September 22 2013 17:21 wei2coolman wrote:Show nested quote +On September 22 2013 17:15 TheLink wrote:
I'm going to make a wild claim here:
The point of a world championship in anything is to have different regions competing against each other to determine a winner.
Note how I did not say "to show the most skill" or "to be composed of the 12-16 best teams in the world". Pretty much. As far as I'm concerned, as long as the best team from each reason is represented, that's good enough. Skt is there, c9 is there, omg is there, fnatic is there. Taiwan sorta got screwed tho. Supposedly tps is better than gama bears :/ Show nested quote +On September 22 2013 17:19 TheYango wrote:It's a shame, the production on Worlds is actually a thousand times better than last year, but Riot had to find some other way to kill my enjoyment. On September 22 2013 17:18 wei2coolman wrote:
Imo royal vs omg is solid storyline, it sucks they didn't meet up in finals to build up more hype, but considering how mysterious royal's strength are, it would be conceivable that this storyline never makes it out of quarterfinals if omg wasn't matched with royal. LOL Your bias aside, you think royal has a good chance to easily beat skt?
Why do they need be able to 'easily beat' skt? The storyline of OMG vs Royal is played out(and will be continued after this event ends anyway regardless because LPL playoffs are still upcoming), I want other storylines like, CN vs the West(because LD and TSM don't represent the best of the west, Fnatic and C9 do).
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United States47024 Posts
NA viewers would just go back to watching their favorite pubstars on Twitch anyway.
I'd be ashamed to call most of the most successful streamers on Twitch competitive players anyway. NA audiences care far more about their players being entertaining than good.
On September 22 2013 17:28 red_ wrote:Show nested quote +On September 22 2013 17:21 wei2coolman wrote:On September 22 2013 17:15 TheLink wrote:
I'm going to make a wild claim here:
The point of a world championship in anything is to have different regions competing against each other to determine a winner.
Note how I did not say "to show the most skill" or "to be composed of the 12-16 best teams in the world". Pretty much. As far as I'm concerned, as long as the best team from each reason is represented, that's good enough. Skt is there, c9 is there, omg is there, fnatic is there. Taiwan sorta got screwed tho. Supposedly tps is better than gama bears :/ On September 22 2013 17:19 TheYango wrote:It's a shame, the production on Worlds is actually a thousand times better than last year, but Riot had to find some other way to kill my enjoyment. On September 22 2013 17:18 wei2coolman wrote:
Imo royal vs omg is solid storyline, it sucks they didn't meet up in finals to build up more hype, but considering how mysterious royal's strength are, it would be conceivable that this storyline never makes it out of quarterfinals if omg wasn't matched with royal. LOL Your bias aside, you think royal has a good chance to easily beat skt? Why do they need be able to 'easily beat' skt? The storyline of OMG vs Royal is played out(and will be continued after this event ends anyway regardless because LPL playoffs are still upcoming), I want other storylines like, CN vs the West(because LD and TSM don't represent the best of the west, Fnatic and C9 do).
That's the thing. OMG and Royal are likely to be the two LPL finalists as well. Why do we need to see them face each other here?
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Honestly even if C9 loses, as long as It's 1-2 and they do decently well I don't think many NA fans will feel disappointed or that their region is vastly inferior. Their teams haven't been beaten into the ground enough times yet to let it really sink in.
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On September 22 2013 17:29 TheYango wrote:
NA viewers would just go back to watching their favorite pubstars on Twitch anyway.
I'd be ashamed to call most of the most successful streamers on Twitch competitive players anyway. NA audiences care far more about their players being entertaining than good.
yeah but watching players on twitch is worse for marketing purposes than having huge numbers to throw out every year about how many people watch your tournament internationally. Arguably those numbers wouldn't take enough of a hit to be noticable though.
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On September 22 2013 17:29 TheYango wrote:
NA viewers would just go back to watching their favorite pubstars on Twitch anyway.
I'd be ashamed to call most of the most successful streamers on Twitch competitive players anyway. NA audiences care far more about their players being entertaining than good.
EU also suffers from it in a way imo with players like Ocelote.
In the west Marketing players makes more money and recognition to your "brand" Then results, wich is rather a shame.
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Please, can anyone link me to where I can watch the VOD of the Vulcan vs Gambit match where Vulcan throws completely over the bad baron? The VOD link in the OP is "experiencing technical difficulties".
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On September 22 2013 17:31 Flonomenalz wrote:
Please, can anyone link me to where I can watch the VOD of the Vulcan vs Gambit match where Vulcan throws completely over the bad baron? The VOD link in the OP is "experiencing technical difficulties".
Riots Twitch has all the VODS by Day. You just have to dig through the day to find the match, kind of a hassle, but it works.
http://www.twitch.tv/riotgames/profile check under past broadcasts.
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I said it would be conceivable that the royal vs ogn storyline never make it out of ro8 if they didn't get matched up right away. Also lets be honest. Almost no one in the west watches lpl, the hype for the rematch going to be lost. The reason I asked if royal had a good chance against skt, cuz if they were matched up then omg vs royal hype train they've been building up on the analyst desk is gone.
Edit:inb4 conspiracy, I'm just saying storylines pretty good for these quarterfinal matches. And work well for what riot was trying to achieve in the hinted storylines throughout the past week
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On September 22 2013 17:31 Flonomenalz wrote:
Please, can anyone link me to where I can watch the VOD of the Vulcan vs Gambit match where Vulcan throws completely over the bad baron? The VOD link in the OP is "experiencing technical difficulties".
http://www.twitch.tv/riotgames/b/463932641
game starts @ 4:39:00ish
4:57:20 for THE THROW
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On September 22 2013 17:31 PrinceXizor wrote:Show nested quote +On September 22 2013 17:29 TheYango wrote:
NA viewers would just go back to watching their favorite pubstars on Twitch anyway.
I'd be ashamed to call most of the most successful streamers on Twitch competitive players anyway. NA audiences care far more about their players being entertaining than good. yeah but watching players on twitch is worse for marketing purposes than having huge numbers to throw out every year about how many people watch your tournament internationally. Arguably those numbers wouldn't take enough of a hit to be noticable though.
This is pretty much it. OGN, ESL, MLG, etc. - their end product is competition. Riot's end product is League of Legends, competition comes 2nd.
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On September 22 2013 17:33 wei2coolman wrote:
I said it would be conceivable that the royal vs ogn storyline never make it out of ro8 if they didn't get matched up right away. Also lets be honest. Almost no one in the west watches lpl, the hype for the rematch going to be lost. The reason I asked if royal had a good chance against skt, cuz if they were matched up then omg vs royal hype train they've been building up on the analyst desk is gone.
Edit:inb4 conspiracy, I'm just saying storylines pretty good for these quarterfinal matches. And work well for what riot was trying to achieve in the hinted storylines throughout the past week
^ PX approved backpedaling.
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Australia18228 Posts
Riot should host 5 team vs 5 teams (Proleague style) tournament between Regions.
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Meh, the luckiest with the draw are definitely the Koreans. No Chinese teams in their bracket. Fnatic vs C9 is going to be fun but Fnatic will win. SKT vs Gama Bears same, SKT will win. I can see Gambit upsetting NJBS, but it has lower odds than Sword winning outright. Royal vs OMG is a tossup for me.
I'm sad we won't get KR vs CN until the finals.
Plus this bracket stage is too small! 16 teams in TI3 bracket stage, with a loser's bracket too!
I'd rather have seen that. That way we'd have seen the 4 first place seeds already in action. I understand Riot wants LCS/local regional placing to matter, but I see it as more fun when places in quarter/semi finals get decided by round robin in group stages.
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Cayman Islands24199 Posts
On September 22 2013 17:33 wei2coolman wrote:
I said it would be conceivable that the royal vs ogn storyline never make it out of ro8 if they didn't get matched up right away. Also lets be honest. Almost no one in the west watches lpl, the hype for the rematch going to be lost. The reason I asked if royal had a good chance against skt, cuz if they were matched up then omg vs royal hype train they've been building up on the analyst desk is gone.
Edit:inb4 conspiracy, I'm just saying storylines pretty good for these quarterfinal matches. And work well for what riot was trying to achieve in the hinted storylines throughout the past week
i honestly don't think the royal vs omg rivalry storyline is all that big. the main attraction is in the teams themselves, showcasing their play and style to the west. their rivalry is pretty big in china, but western fans just see 2 chinese teams.
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United States23455 Posts
One thing that Worlds has majorly over TI3 is the Grand Final. I'm happy they're spacing it out for a week to give both teams a week to prepare and build up hype. Having the finals on the same day as the loser bracket finals, etc. is just too rushed for me.
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On September 22 2013 17:40 oneofthem wrote:Show nested quote +On September 22 2013 17:33 wei2coolman wrote:
I said it would be conceivable that the royal vs ogn storyline never make it out of ro8 if they didn't get matched up right away. Also lets be honest. Almost no one in the west watches lpl, the hype for the rematch going to be lost. The reason I asked if royal had a good chance against skt, cuz if they were matched up then omg vs royal hype train they've been building up on the analyst desk is gone.
Edit:inb4 conspiracy, I'm just saying storylines pretty good for these quarterfinal matches. And work well for what riot was trying to achieve in the hinted storylines throughout the past week
i honestly don't think the royal vs omg rivalry storyline is all that big. the main attraction is in the teams themselves, showcasing their play and style to the west. their rivalry is pretty big in china, but western fans just see 2 chinese teams.
I think a Showmatch or Seeding round robin group between the seeded teams would have been ideal for hype/viewers.
play a game vs every other team, best ranking gets 10grand second best gets 5 grand. or just seeding for brackets. Lets the viewers watch games between the best teams in the regions, and builds hype for the lesser known teams from outside of their own regions (NA hype for china/korea/sea, China/Korea hype for NA) ect.
On September 22 2013 17:42 Fionn wrote:
One thing that Worlds has majorly over TI3 is the Grand Final. I'm happy they're spacing it out for a week to give both teams a week to prepare and build up hype. Having the finals on the same day as the loser bracket finals, etc. is just too rushed for me.
I did like the TI3 all star match more than the LoL one. It was so much more fun to watch to me. Lol all stars felt so serious when all star matches have historically been about pride and fun.
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On September 22 2013 17:40 oneofthem wrote:Show nested quote +On September 22 2013 17:33 wei2coolman wrote:
I said it would be conceivable that the royal vs ogn storyline never make it out of ro8 if they didn't get matched up right away. Also lets be honest. Almost no one in the west watches lpl, the hype for the rematch going to be lost. The reason I asked if royal had a good chance against skt, cuz if they were matched up then omg vs royal hype train they've been building up on the analyst desk is gone.
Edit:inb4 conspiracy, I'm just saying storylines pretty good for these quarterfinal matches. And work well for what riot was trying to achieve in the hinted storylines throughout the past week
i honestly don't think the royal vs omg rivalry storyline is all that big. the main attraction is in the teams themselves, showcasing their play and style to the west. their rivalry is pretty big in china, but western fans just see 2 chinese teams.
Have you been watching the broadcast? They fucking mention it a million times how omg is considered the best but then lost to royal. It was obvious riot was setting up as many possible storylines for quarter finals. They also kept mentioning 'how good is najin?' Or 'who da fuq is gama bears?' Etc. Etc.
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