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Fionn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States23455 Posts
September 22 2013 08:08 GMT
#17101
Because if C9, TSM and Vulcun all bombed out in the group stages, it might hurt the legitimacy of the NA LCS and create less hype for the upcoming Spring Split.

Or something like that.
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PrinceXizor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States17713 Posts
September 22 2013 08:09 GMT
#17102
On September 22 2013 17:04 akalarry wrote:
what a disgusting format. this is the only tournament of the year that is this international and we're supposed to see how teams stack up against each other.

except the top four teams that are seeded directly into the quarterfinals don't play any games and can possibly get 0-2'd out of the tournament.

i want to see how cloud 9 stacks up with the other teams. i've already seen all these awesome games by fnatic against the west and east. fuck this if c9 loses to fnatic. i wanted to see them play najin blacksword, omg and royal. i wanted to see how royal played against the koreans and western teams...etc

now it's possible we may never get to see these top seeded teams play against each other for another year. wtf?


Its also completely possible we will see the winner of OMG/Royal easily make it all the way to the finals, while the other side of the bracket is Sword vs SKT1 in the semis after easily beating their opponents. which makes only 1 good relevant. match at each stage, which is REALLY disappointing.
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-22 08:13:19
September 22 2013 08:10 GMT
#17103
Lol, way to auto discount fnatic after group b.

Tbh the draws worked out really well in terms of maximum possible story lines.

Rematch between omg vs royal. Did omg throw last time? Or royal actually better than omg?

Eu vs na, top of both teams duking it out. No more pussyfooting around with this eu vs na hypetrain.

How good is gama bears? Are they going to be the cute iconic darkhorse? Or skt going to romp them in 20 minutes?

liftlift > tsm
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-22 08:10:35
September 22 2013 08:10 GMT
#17104
I will also say this wouldn't bother me if the LCS system didn't utterly squelch international competition outside of Worlds. I wouldn't care if Riot tried so hard to prevent one region from dominating if there were other events at which strong teams could show their skill on the international stage.
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Itsmedudeman
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States19229 Posts
September 22 2013 08:10 GMT
#17105
On September 22 2013 17:06 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 22 2013 16:57 Dan HH wrote:
On September 22 2013 16:45 TheYango wrote:
Going into that group draw there was actually a 50% chance that at least one Ro8 match would be either CN vs CN or KR vs KR.

Which is stupid as fuck. Riot, you shouldn't allow this to be possible.

In all seriousness - that was the point, it was designed specifically to work this way. iirc Riot said the reason why they keep the byes is to avoid having one region dominate, and this is how they do it.

And I say fuck you to that.

The whole goddamn point of worlds is to find out where the other regions stand relative to each other. Why pussyfoot around it? If one region is good enough to dominate, then THE WHOLE POINT OF THE TOURNAMENT IS FOR US TO FIND THAT OUT!

EDIT: If you want to do that at Worlds fine. But then don't squelch international competition for the other 11 months of the year.

Ha, riot building a competitive tournament? Is that a joke? You should realize by now that having no booths + bo3 quarters shows how much they care about competition over other things. Also really arbitrary regionional qualifier format.
red_
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8474 Posts
September 22 2013 08:11 GMT
#17106
On September 22 2013 17:04 mr_tolkien wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 22 2013 17:00 nikuniku wrote:
To think that some of the best teams in the world will not get as much limelight as GG.EU and Mineski is just mind-blowing dumb.

Maybe it's because they're not the best teams in the world


a)"some of"
b)Who else would you have here instead of c9/Royal(the two that appear to be in the worst position as far as only playing 2-3 games).
How did the experience of working at Mr Burns' Nuclear Plant influence Homer's composition of the Iliad and Odyssey?
PrinceXizor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States17713 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-22 08:16:16
September 22 2013 08:13 GMT
#17107
On September 22 2013 17:10 TheYango wrote:
I will also say this wouldn't bother me if the LCS system didn't utterly squelch international competition outside of Worlds. I wouldn't care if Riot tried so hard to prevent one region from dominating if there were other events at which strong teams could show their skill on the international stage.

Yeah unfortunately if Worlds ended up being a sham Due to a single region being strongest, then Riots bread and butter events would be less watched. People would just watch the third party events with (maybe) C9 + (maybe)Fnatic + Korea and china.
Seems like they are making missteps at every turn as a company running leagues, and hopefully they learn from them, but they might not see them as missteps, which is what i fear.

On September 22 2013 17:10 wei2coolman wrote:
Lol, way to auto discount fnatic after group b.

Tbh the draws worked out really well in terms of maximum possible story lines.

Rematch between omg vs royal. Did omg throw last time? Or royal actually better than omg?

Eu vs na, top of both teams duking it out. No more pussyfooting around with this eu vs na hypetrain.

How good is gama bears? Are they going to be the cute iconic darkhorse? Or skt going to romp them in 20 minutes?


the cool thing as a writer, is we can create and hype up any storyline regardless of the matchups. Korea vs Korea China vs China Eu vs Eu and NA vs Sea. 3 epic struggles to prove they are the best of their country, and two underdog regions trying to prove themselves to the world. ect. Its not difficult to create hype out of anything that happens in a tournament, Tournaments themselves are Hype.
TheLink
Profile Joined January 2011
Australia2725 Posts
September 22 2013 08:15 GMT
#17108
I'm going to make a wild claim here:

The point of a world championship in anything is to have different regions competing against each other to determine a winner.

Note how I did not say "to show the most skill" or "to be composed of the 12-16 best teams in the world".
Only the weak link is strong enough to break the chain.
red_
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8474 Posts
September 22 2013 08:15 GMT
#17109
On September 22 2013 17:10 wei2coolman wrote:
Lol, way to auto discount fnatic after group b.

Tbh the draws worked out really well in terms of maximum possible story lines.

Rematch between omg vs royal. Did omg throw last time? Or royal actually better than omg?

Eu vs na, top of both teams duking it out. No more pussyfooting around with this eu vs na hypetrain.

How good is gama bears? Are they going to be the cute iconic darkhorse? Or skt going to romp them in 20 minutes?



So... 1 good storyline(c9/Fnatic)?
How did the experience of working at Mr Burns' Nuclear Plant influence Homer's composition of the Iliad and Odyssey?
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-22 08:18:49
September 22 2013 08:18 GMT
#17110
On September 22 2013 17:15 red_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 22 2013 17:10 wei2coolman wrote:
Lol, way to auto discount fnatic after group b.

Tbh the draws worked out really well in terms of maximum possible story lines.

Rematch between omg vs royal. Did omg throw last time? Or royal actually better than omg?

Eu vs na, top of both teams duking it out. No more pussyfooting around with this eu vs na hypetrain.

How good is gama bears? Are they going to be the cute iconic darkhorse? Or skt going to romp them in 20 minutes?



So... 1 good storyline(c9/Fnatic)?

Imo royal vs omg is solid storyline, it sucks they didn't meet up in finals to build up more hype, but considering how mysterious royal's strength are, it would be conceivable that this storyline never makes it out of quarterfinals if omg wasn't matched with royal.
liftlift > tsm
Kiett
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States7639 Posts
September 22 2013 08:18 GMT
#17111
Hm... Fnatic has probably used Ashe/Zyra to the most success of any team outside of C9. I wonder if that will be what they will be trying to contest for first with the picks. Puszu does fine on an alternative ADC, like Corki, but Yellowstar on Zyra is crucial, I think. Likewise, Zyra is an essential pick to Lemon too. No idea if Sneaky plays Corki.
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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-22 08:20:10
September 22 2013 08:19 GMT
#17112
It's a shame, the production on Worlds is actually a thousand times better than last year, but Riot had to find some other way to kill my enjoyment.

On September 22 2013 17:18 wei2coolman wrote:
Imo royal vs omg is solid storyline, it sucks they didn't meet up in finals to build up more hype, but considering how mysterious royal's strength are, it would be conceivable that this storyline never makes it out of quarterfinals if omg wasn't matched with royal.

LOL
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Dan HH
Profile Joined July 2012
Romania9194 Posts
September 22 2013 08:19 GMT
#17113
On September 22 2013 17:10 TheYango wrote:
I will also say this wouldn't bother me if the LCS system didn't utterly squelch international competition outside of Worlds. I wouldn't care if Riot tried so hard to prevent one region from dominating if there were other events at which strong teams could show their skill on the international stage.

Even if Worlds had complete competitive integrity, I'd still be pissed about having no other international competition. Season 2 was way more entertaining for me due to all the LAN diversity.
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
September 22 2013 08:19 GMT
#17114
since you are playing to an audience that only knows western teams and those foreign teams that played in groups, OMG vs Royal won't get that much attention.

bears vs t1 will be another faker worship session. gambit vs sword is okay, but we haven't seen sword in quite a long long time, so they'll be 'random korean team' status.
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wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-22 08:22:25
September 22 2013 08:21 GMT
#17115
On September 22 2013 17:15 TheLink wrote:
I'm going to make a wild claim here:

The point of a world championship in anything is to have different regions competing against each other to determine a winner.

Note how I did not say "to show the most skill" or "to be composed of the 12-16 best teams in the world".

Pretty much. As far as I'm concerned, as long as the best team from each reason is represented, that's good enough. Skt is there, c9 is there, omg is there, fnatic is there. Taiwan sorta got screwed tho. Supposedly tps is better than gama bears :/
On September 22 2013 17:19 TheYango wrote:
It's a shame, the production on Worlds is actually a thousand times better than last year, but Riot had to find some other way to kill my enjoyment.

Show nested quote +
On September 22 2013 17:18 wei2coolman wrote:
Imo royal vs omg is solid storyline, it sucks they didn't meet up in finals to build up more hype, but considering how mysterious royal's strength are, it would be conceivable that this storyline never makes it out of quarterfinals if omg wasn't matched with royal.

LOL

Your bias aside, you think royal has a good chance to easily beat skt?
liftlift > tsm
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-22 08:22:01
September 22 2013 08:21 GMT
#17116
On September 22 2013 17:19 oneofthem wrote:
since you are playing to an audience that only knows western teams and those foreign teams that played in groups, OMG vs Royal won't get that much attention.

bears vs t1 will be another faker worship session. gambit vs sword is okay, but we haven't seen sword in quite a long long time, so they'll be 'random korean team' status.

That's the thing, having East vs. West matchups actually creates more hype than having inter-Asia matches for both the Western and Eastern audiences.
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Silvanel
Profile Blog Joined March 2003
Poland4749 Posts
September 22 2013 08:21 GMT
#17117
Are semifinals bo5?
Pathetic Greta hater.
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
September 22 2013 08:22 GMT
#17118
Yes, semis are Bo5.
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Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
September 22 2013 08:22 GMT
#17119
On September 22 2013 17:08 Fionn wrote:
Because if C9, TSM and Vulcun all bombed out in the group stages, it might hurt the legitimacy of the NA LCS and create less hype for the upcoming Spring Split.

Or something like that.


Unless C9 beats Fnatic It's already hurt the legitimacy of it, of course it probably won't change anything in terms of NA fanbase because where the fuck else are they going to go? dota?
manisier
Profile Joined May 2013
Australia240 Posts
September 22 2013 08:23 GMT
#17120
On September 22 2013 17:21 Silvanel wrote:
Are semifinals bo5?

riot isn't that retarded
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