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Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
July 20 2013 00:03 GMT
#1141
This teamfight Jatt showed was kind of what I was talking about. As soon as they see the Tryn try duel then they can engage because of Ashe and win the 4v4 easily. A fed tryn can't really stop that unless they already got all the towers down so he was threatening inhib towers.
Slow Motion
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States6960 Posts
July 20 2013 00:04 GMT
#1142
No Kobe . . . I think I'll shout out Madlife for his flays too.
Heouf
Profile Joined March 2012
Netherlands787 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-20 00:06:09
July 20 2013 00:04 GMT
#1143
On July 20 2013 09:03 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 20 2013 08:56 Heouf wrote:
maybe C9 should compete in korea cause competing in lcs is no challenge at all. How can you improve in this lcs? And not able to play against other good teams in the world except for the season finals.

You mean so they can only beat LG IM1?


So they can improve more and more. I can't really see how they can improve in this current LCS. At least have more tournaments than just the finals where other teams can meet and play.
Gokba Alhakel
Zhiroo
Profile Joined February 2011
Kosovo2724 Posts
July 20 2013 00:05 GMT
#1144
I guess they haven't seen the MadLife flay where he turns a gank around into a 4kill team fight.
LoL EuW: Zhiroo - By starting this squabble you've proven nothing but how vast your stupidity is.
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
July 20 2013 00:05 GMT
#1145
On July 20 2013 09:03 Numy wrote:
This teamfight Jatt showed was kind of what I was talking about. As soon as they see the Tryn try duel then they can engage because of Ashe and win the 4v4 easily. A fed tryn can't really stop that unless they already got all the towers down so he was threatening inhib towers.

I really don't like Trynd pick from Voyboy. I've never liked it. It's so easy to stop if you've got half a brain for a team.
liftlift > tsm
Slaughter
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
United States20254 Posts
July 20 2013 00:05 GMT
#1146
I wonder if C9 tries to scrim vs teams from other regions or not.
Never Knows Best.
Redox
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany24794 Posts
July 20 2013 00:06 GMT
#1147
On July 20 2013 08:58 ketchup wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 20 2013 08:56 Heouf wrote:
maybe C9 should compete in korea cause competing in lcs is no challenge at all.


It would be cool if Riot put up one more exhibition tournament with full teams to see how the regions compare, but it's probably too late in the season to hope for such a thing.

The whole point of how the LCS is set up is to not compare teams of different regions.
Off-season = best season
Itsmedudeman
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States19229 Posts
July 20 2013 00:06 GMT
#1148
On July 20 2013 09:03 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 20 2013 08:56 Heouf wrote:
maybe C9 should compete in korea cause competing in lcs is no challenge at all. How can you improve in this lcs? And not able to play against other good teams in the world except for the season finals.

You mean so they can only beat LG IM1?

I don't think there's any reason to believe they'd only be able to beat LG IM. I think they've shown they're far better than the NA teams, and the only teams we've seen dominate NA are the really good Korean ones. Even the mid tier korean teams did mediocre against EU/NA teams in the tournaments they've went to.
Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
July 20 2013 00:07 GMT
#1149
On July 20 2013 09:06 Itsmedudeman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 20 2013 09:03 wei2coolman wrote:
On July 20 2013 08:56 Heouf wrote:
maybe C9 should compete in korea cause competing in lcs is no challenge at all. How can you improve in this lcs? And not able to play against other good teams in the world except for the season finals.

You mean so they can only beat LG IM1?

I don't think there's any reason to believe they'd only be able to beat LG IM. I think they've shown they're far better than the NA teams, and the only teams we've seen dominate NA are the really good Korean ones. Even the mid tier korean teams did mediocre against EU/NA teams in the tournaments they've went to.


be specific.
Carrilord has arrived.
Lysteria
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
France2280 Posts
July 20 2013 00:08 GMT
#1150
On July 20 2013 09:03 Numy wrote:
This teamfight Jatt showed was kind of what I was talking about. As soon as they see the Tryn try duel then they can engage because of Ashe and win the 4v4 easily. A fed tryn can't really stop that unless they already got all the towers down so he was threatening inhib towers.


I agree Trynd was a bad pick, but they choose to go for a splitpush strategy they didn't/couldn't even try in the end for various reasons. That's mostly what's bothering me.
Redox
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany24794 Posts
July 20 2013 00:09 GMT
#1151
I just noticed the Brazilian championship going on right now has over 50k viewers. Pretty insane.
Off-season = best season
ketchup
Profile Joined August 2010
14521 Posts
July 20 2013 00:09 GMT
#1152
On July 20 2013 09:04 Heouf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 20 2013 09:03 wei2coolman wrote:
On July 20 2013 08:56 Heouf wrote:
maybe C9 should compete in korea cause competing in lcs is no challenge at all. How can you improve in this lcs? And not able to play against other good teams in the world except for the season finals.

You mean so they can only beat LG IM1?


So they can improve more and more. I can't really see how they can improve in this current LCS.


The idea that the other NA teams aren't improving is a bit disingenuous. Overall, I'm fairly sure they ARE improving, which is why they are still #1. If this wasn't the case, they would have given up/lost quite a few more games than they have. Of course, they might improve at a faster rate in the KR scene. That is a statement I can understand better
Anakko
Profile Joined August 2012
France1934 Posts
July 20 2013 00:09 GMT
#1153
Going splitpush against an ashe is dangerous imo. Free 4v4 for opposing team on ult cd and all....
TrAce/Cpt Jack for president (or both)
Zhiroo
Profile Joined February 2011
Kosovo2724 Posts
July 20 2013 00:10 GMT
#1154
On July 20 2013 09:08 Lysteria wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 20 2013 09:03 Numy wrote:
This teamfight Jatt showed was kind of what I was talking about. As soon as they see the Tryn try duel then they can engage because of Ashe and win the 4v4 easily. A fed tryn can't really stop that unless they already got all the towers down so he was threatening inhib towers.


I agree Trynd was a bad pick, but they choose to go for a splitpush strategy they didn't/couldn't even try in the end for various reasons. That's mostly what's bothering me.


The way I see it, it's hard to get a splitpush going against C9 when they have the Ashe/Zyra combo unless you have Shen who can join his team with his ult. Otherwise unless C9 falls behind early they can just engage 4 on 4 and win every time.
LoL EuW: Zhiroo - By starting this squabble you've proven nothing but how vast your stupidity is.
nafta
Profile Joined August 2010
Bulgaria18893 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-20 00:10:58
July 20 2013 00:10 GMT
#1155
On July 20 2013 09:09 ketchup wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 20 2013 09:04 Heouf wrote:
On July 20 2013 09:03 wei2coolman wrote:
On July 20 2013 08:56 Heouf wrote:
maybe C9 should compete in korea cause competing in lcs is no challenge at all. How can you improve in this lcs? And not able to play against other good teams in the world except for the season finals.

You mean so they can only beat LG IM1?


So they can improve more and more. I can't really see how they can improve in this current LCS.


The idea that the other NA teams aren't improving is a bit disingenuous. Overall, I'm fairly sure they ARE improving, which is why they are still #1. If this wasn't the case, they would have given up/lost quite a few more games than they have. Of course, they might improve at a faster rate in the KR scene. That is a statement I can understand better


Playing vs better teams makes you improve more than just stomping teams worse than you that is pretty obvious.So far it seems like they aren't even trying lol.
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
July 20 2013 00:11 GMT
#1156
On July 20 2013 09:10 nafta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 20 2013 09:09 ketchup wrote:
On July 20 2013 09:04 Heouf wrote:
On July 20 2013 09:03 wei2coolman wrote:
On July 20 2013 08:56 Heouf wrote:
maybe C9 should compete in korea cause competing in lcs is no challenge at all. How can you improve in this lcs? And not able to play against other good teams in the world except for the season finals.

You mean so they can only beat LG IM1?


So they can improve more and more. I can't really see how they can improve in this current LCS.


The idea that the other NA teams aren't improving is a bit disingenuous. Overall, I'm fairly sure they ARE improving, which is why they are still #1. If this wasn't the case, they would have given up/lost quite a few more games than they have. Of course, they might improve at a faster rate in the KR scene. That is a statement I can understand better


Playing vs better teams makes you improve more than just stomping teams worse than you that is pretty obvious.So far it seems like they aren't even trying lol.

People have such short term memory; Who is Season 2 champion?
liftlift > tsm
Redox
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany24794 Posts
July 20 2013 00:12 GMT
#1157
On July 20 2013 09:10 nafta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 20 2013 09:09 ketchup wrote:
On July 20 2013 09:04 Heouf wrote:
On July 20 2013 09:03 wei2coolman wrote:
On July 20 2013 08:56 Heouf wrote:
maybe C9 should compete in korea cause competing in lcs is no challenge at all. How can you improve in this lcs? And not able to play against other good teams in the world except for the season finals.

You mean so they can only beat LG IM1?


So they can improve more and more. I can't really see how they can improve in this current LCS.


The idea that the other NA teams aren't improving is a bit disingenuous. Overall, I'm fairly sure they ARE improving, which is why they are still #1. If this wasn't the case, they would have given up/lost quite a few more games than they have. Of course, they might improve at a faster rate in the KR scene. That is a statement I can understand better


Playing vs better teams makes you improve more than just stomping teams worse than you that is pretty obvious.

Or beating other teams instead of losing gives you much more confidence.
In any case if the skill level of a team really depends on the league they are in, than C9 reached their skill level thanks to the NA scene.
Off-season = best season
Redox
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany24794 Posts
July 20 2013 00:13 GMT
#1158
On July 20 2013 09:11 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 20 2013 09:10 nafta wrote:
On July 20 2013 09:09 ketchup wrote:
On July 20 2013 09:04 Heouf wrote:
On July 20 2013 09:03 wei2coolman wrote:
On July 20 2013 08:56 Heouf wrote:
maybe C9 should compete in korea cause competing in lcs is no challenge at all. How can you improve in this lcs? And not able to play against other good teams in the world except for the season finals.

You mean so they can only beat LG IM1?


So they can improve more and more. I can't really see how they can improve in this current LCS.


The idea that the other NA teams aren't improving is a bit disingenuous. Overall, I'm fairly sure they ARE improving, which is why they are still #1. If this wasn't the case, they would have given up/lost quite a few more games than they have. Of course, they might improve at a faster rate in the KR scene. That is a statement I can understand better


Playing vs better teams makes you improve more than just stomping teams worse than you that is pretty obvious.So far it seems like they aren't even trying lol.

People have such short term memory; Who is Season 2 champion?

Very good point, I think that one pretty much kills this whole discussion.
Off-season = best season
nafta
Profile Joined August 2010
Bulgaria18893 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-20 00:14:49
July 20 2013 00:13 GMT
#1159
On July 20 2013 09:11 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 20 2013 09:10 nafta wrote:
On July 20 2013 09:09 ketchup wrote:
On July 20 2013 09:04 Heouf wrote:
On July 20 2013 09:03 wei2coolman wrote:
On July 20 2013 08:56 Heouf wrote:
maybe C9 should compete in korea cause competing in lcs is no challenge at all. How can you improve in this lcs? And not able to play against other good teams in the world except for the season finals.

You mean so they can only beat LG IM1?


So they can improve more and more. I can't really see how they can improve in this current LCS.


The idea that the other NA teams aren't improving is a bit disingenuous. Overall, I'm fairly sure they ARE improving, which is why they are still #1. If this wasn't the case, they would have given up/lost quite a few more games than they have. Of course, they might improve at a faster rate in the KR scene. That is a statement I can understand better


Playing vs better teams makes you improve more than just stomping teams worse than you that is pretty obvious.So far it seems like they aren't even trying lol.

People have such short term memory; Who is Season 2 champion?


They practiced with korean teams while playing in garena.Just sayin.

Even if they didn't they would've played better if they practiced against competent opponents.I never said c9 would get destroyed by every korean team.They might win.If they practice in korea they WILL play better 100% though.
Slow Motion
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States6960 Posts
July 20 2013 00:14 GMT
#1160
On July 20 2013 09:11 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 20 2013 09:10 nafta wrote:
On July 20 2013 09:09 ketchup wrote:
On July 20 2013 09:04 Heouf wrote:
On July 20 2013 09:03 wei2coolman wrote:
On July 20 2013 08:56 Heouf wrote:
maybe C9 should compete in korea cause competing in lcs is no challenge at all. How can you improve in this lcs? And not able to play against other good teams in the world except for the season finals.

You mean so they can only beat LG IM1?


So they can improve more and more. I can't really see how they can improve in this current LCS.


The idea that the other NA teams aren't improving is a bit disingenuous. Overall, I'm fairly sure they ARE improving, which is why they are still #1. If this wasn't the case, they would have given up/lost quite a few more games than they have. Of course, they might improve at a faster rate in the KR scene. That is a statement I can understand better


Playing vs better teams makes you improve more than just stomping teams worse than you that is pretty obvious.So far it seems like they aren't even trying lol.

People have such short term memory; Who is Season 2 champion?

This so much. I remember everyone (including me) thinking TPA had no chance cause all they do is stomp a bunch of scrubs in their Garena league (which was worse than NA).
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