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-Zoda-
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
France3578 Posts
June 16 2013 19:07 GMT
#1141
Honestly, Kha'zix dealing tons of damage on the first fights with absolutely no kills nor assists is absolutely absurd imo. And that's just so easy to achieve because of his evolved W as a crazy farming tool. Fuck Riot giving assassins spammable AoE clear...
♪ 最初はi つなぐdo それ つまりlife 常に移動 ♪ - IGN: Uhryks
Schnurres
Profile Joined January 2013
54 Posts
June 16 2013 19:07 GMT
#1142
On June 17 2013 04:05 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 17 2013 04:04 Schnurres wrote:
On June 17 2013 03:57 wei2coolman wrote:
On June 17 2013 03:54 Schnurres wrote:
On June 17 2013 03:35 WhiteDog wrote:
On June 17 2013 03:34 wei2coolman wrote:
On June 17 2013 03:26 Schnurres wrote:
On June 17 2013 03:19 AsnSensation wrote:
So far nobody's been able to punish czaru for taking TP everytime, maybe Peke can.


How can u punish it? It is just less kill potential and map presence/roaming and later splitpushing.

It is nothing u can really punish like not having flash as summoners and something like kha or ori.

Ignite isn't mandatory on an ap mid.

teleport fits czarus and myms playstyle way more

That is how you can abuse it. You can play a lot more aggressive against someone with no kill potential. If you know you can win a full engage all the time; you're gunna play all-in all the time without really getting punished for it.

Yeah, taking teleport and not ignite means you cannot really 1vs1, you accept to lose lane dominance for map presence.



punishing this is almost impossible because the trend is, that you don't fight that much in midlane anymore but you go roam and get kills on other lanes. And when you got a kill you most of the times use the ignite, but you would get the kill anyways. Ignite on mid is good, but imo a bit overrated.

And Czaru and mym has this playstyle since forever and you can't really punish it. They never lost a game because of czaru having ingite.

Disengaging in 1 vs 1 is esier than anything else. so you can just avoid all in fights in midlane and focus on farming and harassing. That is what czaru does and it works well for him


I'm guessing you've never seen Regi play midlane.


Na midlanes are far worse then EU midlanes in my Eyes. EU Midlanes are amongst the best of the world and if you just look through the EU LCS midlaner they are (almost) all world class.

Czarus does this vs the EU midlaners and the best of the world for month very succesfull and it is extremly hard to punsih it. After you got used to not having idnite you can judge your damage a lot better and can choose engages more wisely because you know exactly how much dmg you do and when you should back

I'm not saying Regi is better than EU midlaners; but what I'm saying is very aggressive midlaners PUNISH the shit out of players who pick up teleport in mid.



You can't punish someone enough in my eyes. Even if he dies once or twice he always gets his farm and lategame he has a big advanteg with teleport
Nitan
Profile Joined September 2008
United States3401 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-16 19:08:03
June 16 2013 19:07 GMT
#1143
Damn. Another newcomer with a meteoric rise. Feels good (:

On June 17 2013 04:07 -Zoda- wrote:
Honestly, Kha'zix dealing tons of damage on the first fights with absolutely no kills nor assists is absolutely absurd imo. And that's just so easy to achieve because of his evolved W as a crazy farming tool. Fuck Riot giving assassins spammable AoE clear...


Literally just patched out.
Do I contradict myself? Very well, then I contradict myself. I am large, I contain multitudes.
Mensol
Profile Joined September 2012
14536 Posts
June 16 2013 19:07 GMT
#1144
SK 0-4

i couldnt be more happier.
If you don't know what the fuck you are doing, how are your enemies supposed to know what the fuck you are doing. - imaqtpie on NA teams at Worlds.
Schnurres
Profile Joined January 2013
54 Posts
June 16 2013 19:08 GMT
#1145
On June 17 2013 04:07 Mensol wrote:
SK 0-4

i couldnt be more happier.


Oce hater?
Mensol
Profile Joined September 2012
14536 Posts
June 16 2013 19:09 GMT
#1146
On June 17 2013 04:08 Schnurres wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 17 2013 04:07 Mensol wrote:
SK 0-4

i couldnt be more happier.


Oce hater?

yes and probably the biggest one along with Beyonder.
If you don't know what the fuck you are doing, how are your enemies supposed to know what the fuck you are doing. - imaqtpie on NA teams at Worlds.
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
June 16 2013 19:10 GMT
#1147
On June 17 2013 04:07 Schnurres wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 17 2013 04:05 wei2coolman wrote:
On June 17 2013 04:04 Schnurres wrote:
On June 17 2013 03:57 wei2coolman wrote:
On June 17 2013 03:54 Schnurres wrote:
On June 17 2013 03:35 WhiteDog wrote:
On June 17 2013 03:34 wei2coolman wrote:
On June 17 2013 03:26 Schnurres wrote:
On June 17 2013 03:19 AsnSensation wrote:
So far nobody's been able to punish czaru for taking TP everytime, maybe Peke can.


How can u punish it? It is just less kill potential and map presence/roaming and later splitpushing.

It is nothing u can really punish like not having flash as summoners and something like kha or ori.

Ignite isn't mandatory on an ap mid.

teleport fits czarus and myms playstyle way more

That is how you can abuse it. You can play a lot more aggressive against someone with no kill potential. If you know you can win a full engage all the time; you're gunna play all-in all the time without really getting punished for it.

Yeah, taking teleport and not ignite means you cannot really 1vs1, you accept to lose lane dominance for map presence.



punishing this is almost impossible because the trend is, that you don't fight that much in midlane anymore but you go roam and get kills on other lanes. And when you got a kill you most of the times use the ignite, but you would get the kill anyways. Ignite on mid is good, but imo a bit overrated.

And Czaru and mym has this playstyle since forever and you can't really punish it. They never lost a game because of czaru having ingite.

Disengaging in 1 vs 1 is esier than anything else. so you can just avoid all in fights in midlane and focus on farming and harassing. That is what czaru does and it works well for him


I'm guessing you've never seen Regi play midlane.


Na midlanes are far worse then EU midlanes in my Eyes. EU Midlanes are amongst the best of the world and if you just look through the EU LCS midlaner they are (almost) all world class.

Czarus does this vs the EU midlaners and the best of the world for month very succesfull and it is extremly hard to punsih it. After you got used to not having idnite you can judge your damage a lot better and can choose engages more wisely because you know exactly how much dmg you do and when you should back

I'm not saying Regi is better than EU midlaners; but what I'm saying is very aggressive midlaners PUNISH the shit out of players who pick up teleport in mid.



You can't punish someone enough in my eyes. Even if he dies once or twice he always gets his farm and lategame he has a big advanteg with teleport

Like I said; Xpeke played the lane out wrong.
He got a ToG; which pretty much said "I'm not gunna fight you early on, cuz I just spent 700 gold on mana, rather than damage or tanki-ness" Had xpeke gotten 700 gold worth of AP/health/etc. He would've easily shoved the living crap out of Czarus even more.
liftlift > tsm
kongoline
Profile Joined February 2012
6318 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-16 19:15:37
June 16 2013 19:14 GMT
#1148
On June 17 2013 04:04 Schnurres wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 17 2013 03:57 wei2coolman wrote:
On June 17 2013 03:54 Schnurres wrote:
On June 17 2013 03:35 WhiteDog wrote:
On June 17 2013 03:34 wei2coolman wrote:
On June 17 2013 03:26 Schnurres wrote:
On June 17 2013 03:19 AsnSensation wrote:
So far nobody's been able to punish czaru for taking TP everytime, maybe Peke can.


How can u punish it? It is just less kill potential and map presence/roaming and later splitpushing.

It is nothing u can really punish like not having flash as summoners and something like kha or ori.

Ignite isn't mandatory on an ap mid.

teleport fits czarus and myms playstyle way more

That is how you can abuse it. You can play a lot more aggressive against someone with no kill potential. If you know you can win a full engage all the time; you're gunna play all-in all the time without really getting punished for it.

Yeah, taking teleport and not ignite means you cannot really 1vs1, you accept to lose lane dominance for map presence.



punishing this is almost impossible because the trend is, that you don't fight that much in midlane anymore but you go roam and get kills on other lanes. And when you got a kill you most of the times use the ignite, but you would get the kill anyways. Ignite on mid is good, but imo a bit overrated.

And Czaru and mym has this playstyle since forever and you can't really punish it. They never lost a game because of czaru having ingite.

Disengaging in 1 vs 1 is esier than anything else. so you can just avoid all in fights in midlane and focus on farming and harassing. That is what czaru does and it works well for him


I'm guessing you've never seen Regi play midlane.


Na midlanes are far worse then EU midlanes in my Eyes. EU Midlanes are amongst the best of the world and if you just look through the EU LCS midlaner they are (almost) all world class.

Czarus does this vs the EU midlaners and the best of the world for month very succesfull and it is extremly hard to punsih it. After you got used to not having idnite you can judge your damage a lot better and can choose engages more wisely because you know exactly how much dmg you do and when you should back


@shikyo: actually Forellenlord never was an extremly lane dominant midplayer. When you watched his stream when he was on 1700-300 you saw, that he didn't win his lane most of the times. But he played mainly TF and Ori. With ori he just landed the best ultimates and won teamfights for his team and so the game. With Tf he used his ulti and poke to the best extent and made so his other lanes win.

idk maybe he improved but forellenlord is known for feeding hard and still winning games because he gets carried, quite a bit of high elo midlaners hated him for this (moopz, tabzz etc) when he got famous for first 3k elo while in most of games he fed (atleast vs known eu midlaners which eu is full of) but still won because he was more lucky in match making lottery
Emnel
Profile Joined October 2011
Greece384 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-16 19:15:46
June 16 2013 19:14 GMT
#1149
If he haven't bought ToG he would have been useless since they took all his blue buffs but first one.
Nasus feeds as he pleases.
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-16 19:16:26
June 16 2013 19:15 GMT
#1150
On June 17 2013 04:14 Emnel wrote:
If he haven't bought ToG he would have been useless since they took all his blue buffs.

It's like RoA doesn't exist. Not to mention; if early laning phase if he could punish Czarus enough, he would exert more map pressure, and more presence in his own jungle. More likely to secure blues.
liftlift > tsm
Emnel
Profile Joined October 2011
Greece384 Posts
June 16 2013 19:16 GMT
#1151
Going for RoA hardly skyrockets your kill potential early on, doesn;t it? And that the argument.
Nasus feeds as he pleases.
DragoonTT
Profile Joined April 2012
3398 Posts
June 16 2013 19:17 GMT
#1152
On June 17 2013 04:14 kongoline wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 17 2013 04:04 Schnurres wrote:
On June 17 2013 03:57 wei2coolman wrote:
On June 17 2013 03:54 Schnurres wrote:
On June 17 2013 03:35 WhiteDog wrote:
On June 17 2013 03:34 wei2coolman wrote:
On June 17 2013 03:26 Schnurres wrote:
On June 17 2013 03:19 AsnSensation wrote:
So far nobody's been able to punish czaru for taking TP everytime, maybe Peke can.


How can u punish it? It is just less kill potential and map presence/roaming and later splitpushing.

It is nothing u can really punish like not having flash as summoners and something like kha or ori.

Ignite isn't mandatory on an ap mid.

teleport fits czarus and myms playstyle way more

That is how you can abuse it. You can play a lot more aggressive against someone with no kill potential. If you know you can win a full engage all the time; you're gunna play all-in all the time without really getting punished for it.

Yeah, taking teleport and not ignite means you cannot really 1vs1, you accept to lose lane dominance for map presence.



punishing this is almost impossible because the trend is, that you don't fight that much in midlane anymore but you go roam and get kills on other lanes. And when you got a kill you most of the times use the ignite, but you would get the kill anyways. Ignite on mid is good, but imo a bit overrated.

And Czaru and mym has this playstyle since forever and you can't really punish it. They never lost a game because of czaru having ingite.

Disengaging in 1 vs 1 is esier than anything else. so you can just avoid all in fights in midlane and focus on farming and harassing. That is what czaru does and it works well for him


I'm guessing you've never seen Regi play midlane.


Na midlanes are far worse then EU midlanes in my Eyes. EU Midlanes are amongst the best of the world and if you just look through the EU LCS midlaner they are (almost) all world class.

Czarus does this vs the EU midlaners and the best of the world for month very succesfull and it is extremly hard to punsih it. After you got used to not having idnite you can judge your damage a lot better and can choose engages more wisely because you know exactly how much dmg you do and when you should back


@shikyo: actually Forellenlord never was an extremly lane dominant midplayer. When you watched his stream when he was on 1700-300 you saw, that he didn't win his lane most of the times. But he played mainly TF and Ori. With ori he just landed the best ultimates and won teamfights for his team and so the game. With Tf he used his ulti and poke to the best extent and made so his other lanes win.

idk maybe he improved but forellenlord is known for feeding hard and still winning games because he gets carried, quite a bit of high elo midlaners hated him for this (moopz, tabzz etc) when he got famous for first 3k elo even tho in most of games he fed (atleast vs known eu midlaners which eu is full of) but still won games because he was more lucky in match making lottery


The whole "FLord feeds and got carried to 3k" is such a myth. Yes, he takes more deaths than the average midlaner, because his playstyle is different. He's willing to sacrifice if he deems it benefitial for the team, a trait few other players have. FLord got/gets a lot of hate on EUW ranked, but I still remember guys like Krepo or Wickd saying a game was lost when up against FLord because he was just sooo good at exploiting the weak spots in your team even if he lost lane.
Redox
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany24794 Posts
June 16 2013 19:17 GMT
#1153
On June 17 2013 04:09 Mensol wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 17 2013 04:08 Schnurres wrote:
On June 17 2013 04:07 Mensol wrote:
SK 0-4

i couldnt be more happier.


Oce hater?

yes and probably the biggest one along with Beyonder.

I thought Beyonder was a EG hater.

Man, you haters are really annoying. Look for some teams to cheer for instead. What's the point in kicking those that are down?
Off-season = best season
Redox
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany24794 Posts
June 16 2013 19:20 GMT
#1154
On June 17 2013 04:14 kongoline wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 17 2013 04:04 Schnurres wrote:
On June 17 2013 03:57 wei2coolman wrote:
On June 17 2013 03:54 Schnurres wrote:
On June 17 2013 03:35 WhiteDog wrote:
On June 17 2013 03:34 wei2coolman wrote:
On June 17 2013 03:26 Schnurres wrote:
On June 17 2013 03:19 AsnSensation wrote:
So far nobody's been able to punish czaru for taking TP everytime, maybe Peke can.


How can u punish it? It is just less kill potential and map presence/roaming and later splitpushing.

It is nothing u can really punish like not having flash as summoners and something like kha or ori.

Ignite isn't mandatory on an ap mid.

teleport fits czarus and myms playstyle way more

That is how you can abuse it. You can play a lot more aggressive against someone with no kill potential. If you know you can win a full engage all the time; you're gunna play all-in all the time without really getting punished for it.

Yeah, taking teleport and not ignite means you cannot really 1vs1, you accept to lose lane dominance for map presence.



punishing this is almost impossible because the trend is, that you don't fight that much in midlane anymore but you go roam and get kills on other lanes. And when you got a kill you most of the times use the ignite, but you would get the kill anyways. Ignite on mid is good, but imo a bit overrated.

And Czaru and mym has this playstyle since forever and you can't really punish it. They never lost a game because of czaru having ingite.

Disengaging in 1 vs 1 is esier than anything else. so you can just avoid all in fights in midlane and focus on farming and harassing. That is what czaru does and it works well for him


I'm guessing you've never seen Regi play midlane.


Na midlanes are far worse then EU midlanes in my Eyes. EU Midlanes are amongst the best of the world and if you just look through the EU LCS midlaner they are (almost) all world class.

Czarus does this vs the EU midlaners and the best of the world for month very succesfull and it is extremly hard to punsih it. After you got used to not having idnite you can judge your damage a lot better and can choose engages more wisely because you know exactly how much dmg you do and when you should back


@shikyo: actually Forellenlord never was an extremly lane dominant midplayer. When you watched his stream when he was on 1700-300 you saw, that he didn't win his lane most of the times. But he played mainly TF and Ori. With ori he just landed the best ultimates and won teamfights for his team and so the game. With Tf he used his ulti and poke to the best extent and made so his other lanes win.

idk maybe he improved but forellenlord is known for feeding hard and still winning games because he gets carried, quite a bit of high elo midlaners hated him for this (moopz, tabzz etc) when he got famous for first 3k elo while in most of games he fed (atleast vs known eu midlaners which eu is full of) but still won because he was more lucky in match making lottery

Stupid post. Its not luck to win a larger amount of games, 1 or 2 games are. If you win more games than others, then that is becasue you make your teams win more.
There are things beyond just k/d that makes your team win.
Off-season = best season
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
June 16 2013 19:22 GMT
#1155
Wow, MYM vs ALTERNATE for who goes undefeated tomorrow, that is certainly not a scenario I can imagine anyone predicted.
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
kongoline
Profile Joined February 2012
6318 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-16 19:25:28
June 16 2013 19:22 GMT
#1156
On June 17 2013 04:17 DragoonTT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 17 2013 04:14 kongoline wrote:
On June 17 2013 04:04 Schnurres wrote:
On June 17 2013 03:57 wei2coolman wrote:
On June 17 2013 03:54 Schnurres wrote:
On June 17 2013 03:35 WhiteDog wrote:
On June 17 2013 03:34 wei2coolman wrote:
On June 17 2013 03:26 Schnurres wrote:
On June 17 2013 03:19 AsnSensation wrote:
So far nobody's been able to punish czaru for taking TP everytime, maybe Peke can.


How can u punish it? It is just less kill potential and map presence/roaming and later splitpushing.

It is nothing u can really punish like not having flash as summoners and something like kha or ori.

Ignite isn't mandatory on an ap mid.

teleport fits czarus and myms playstyle way more

That is how you can abuse it. You can play a lot more aggressive against someone with no kill potential. If you know you can win a full engage all the time; you're gunna play all-in all the time without really getting punished for it.

Yeah, taking teleport and not ignite means you cannot really 1vs1, you accept to lose lane dominance for map presence.

punishing this is almost impossible because the trend is, that you don't fight that much in midlane anymore but you go roam and get kills on other lanes. And when you got a kill you most of the times use the ignite, but you would get the kill anyways. Ignite on mid is good, but imo a bit overrated.

And Czaru and mym has this playstyle since forever and you can't really punish it. They never lost a game because of czaru having ingite.

Disengaging in 1 vs 1 is esier than anything else. so you can just avoid all in fights in midlane and focus on farming and harassing. That is what czaru does and it works well for him


I'm guessing you've never seen Regi play midlane.


Na midlanes are far worse then EU midlanes in my Eyes. EU Midlanes are amongst the best of the world and if you just look through the EU LCS midlaner they are (almost) all world class.

Czarus does this vs the EU midlaners and the best of the world for month very succesfull and it is extremly hard to punsih it. After you got used to not having idnite you can judge your damage a lot better and can choose engages more wisely because you know exactly how much dmg you do and when you should back


@shikyo: actually Forellenlord never was an extremly lane dominant midplayer. When you watched his stream when he was on 1700-300 you saw, that he didn't win his lane most of the times. But he played mainly TF and Ori. With ori he just landed the best ultimates and won teamfights for his team and so the game. With Tf he used his ulti and poke to the best extent and made so his other lanes win.

idk maybe he improved but forellenlord is known for feeding hard and still winning games because he gets carried, quite a bit of high elo midlaners hated him for this (moopz, tabzz etc) when he got famous for first 3k elo even tho in most of games he fed (atleast vs known eu midlaners which eu is full of) but still won games because he was more lucky in match making lottery


The whole "FLord feeds and got carried to 3k" is such a myth. Yes, he takes more deaths than the average midlaner, because his playstyle is different. He's willing to sacrifice if he deems it benefitial for the team, a trait few other players have. FLord got/gets a lot of hate on EUW ranked, but I still remember guys like Krepo or Wickd saying a game was lost when up against FLord because he was just sooo good at exploiting the weak spots in your team even if he lost lane.


i used to spactate his games alot and trust me in alot of his games he straight up fed with scores like 1-10 etc, moopz and tabzz usually completely destroyed him in lane still lost cuz their other lanes usually lost hard (i've seen them flame him for that), this guy had insane luck in s2 when he got to 3k elo he wasnt best soloq or midlaner player back then for sure
oh also i remember right at that time he got famous he subbed for m5 instead of alex ich in one game and he got destroyed so hard they refused to use him in next game in that tournament
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
June 16 2013 19:24 GMT
#1157
On June 17 2013 04:22 kongoline wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 17 2013 04:17 DragoonTT wrote:
On June 17 2013 04:14 kongoline wrote:
On June 17 2013 04:04 Schnurres wrote:
On June 17 2013 03:57 wei2coolman wrote:
On June 17 2013 03:54 Schnurres wrote:
On June 17 2013 03:35 WhiteDog wrote:
On June 17 2013 03:34 wei2coolman wrote:
On June 17 2013 03:26 Schnurres wrote:
On June 17 2013 03:19 AsnSensation wrote:
So far nobody's been able to punish czaru for taking TP everytime, maybe Peke can.


How can u punish it? It is just less kill potential and map presence/roaming and later splitpushing.

It is nothing u can really punish like not having flash as summoners and something like kha or ori.

Ignite isn't mandatory on an ap mid.

teleport fits czarus and myms playstyle way more

That is how you can abuse it. You can play a lot more aggressive against someone with no kill potential. If you know you can win a full engage all the time; you're gunna play all-in all the time without really getting punished for it.

Yeah, taking teleport and not ignite means you cannot really 1vs1, you accept to lose lane dominance for map presence.

punishing this is almost impossible because the trend is, that you don't fight that much in midlane anymore but you go roam and get kills on other lanes. And when you got a kill you most of the times use the ignite, but you would get the kill anyways. Ignite on mid is good, but imo a bit overrated.

And Czaru and mym has this playstyle since forever and you can't really punish it. They never lost a game because of czaru having ingite.

Disengaging in 1 vs 1 is esier than anything else. so you can just avoid all in fights in midlane and focus on farming and harassing. That is what czaru does and it works well for him


I'm guessing you've never seen Regi play midlane.


Na midlanes are far worse then EU midlanes in my Eyes. EU Midlanes are amongst the best of the world and if you just look through the EU LCS midlaner they are (almost) all world class.

Czarus does this vs the EU midlaners and the best of the world for month very succesfull and it is extremly hard to punsih it. After you got used to not having idnite you can judge your damage a lot better and can choose engages more wisely because you know exactly how much dmg you do and when you should back


@shikyo: actually Forellenlord never was an extremly lane dominant midplayer. When you watched his stream when he was on 1700-300 you saw, that he didn't win his lane most of the times. But he played mainly TF and Ori. With ori he just landed the best ultimates and won teamfights for his team and so the game. With Tf he used his ulti and poke to the best extent and made so his other lanes win.

idk maybe he improved but forellenlord is known for feeding hard and still winning games because he gets carried, quite a bit of high elo midlaners hated him for this (moopz, tabzz etc) when he got famous for first 3k elo even tho in most of games he fed (atleast vs known eu midlaners which eu is full of) but still won games because he was more lucky in match making lottery


The whole "FLord feeds and got carried to 3k" is such a myth. Yes, he takes more deaths than the average midlaner, because his playstyle is different. He's willing to sacrifice if he deems it benefitial for the team, a trait few other players have. FLord got/gets a lot of hate on EUW ranked, but I still remember guys like Krepo or Wickd saying a game was lost when up against FLord because he was just sooo good at exploiting the weak spots in your team even if he lost lane.


i used to spactate his games alot and trust me in alot of his games he straight up fed with scores like 1-10 etc, moopz and tabzz usually completely destroyed him in lane still lost cuz their other lanes usually lost hard (i've seen them flame him for that), this guy had insane luck in s2 when he got to 3k elo he wasnt best soloq or midlaner player back then for sure

I refuse to believe someone can just "luck" into 3K Elo.
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DragoonTT
Profile Joined April 2012
3398 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-16 19:25:55
June 16 2013 19:25 GMT
#1158
On June 17 2013 04:22 kongoline wrote:
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On June 17 2013 04:17 DragoonTT wrote:
On June 17 2013 04:14 kongoline wrote:
On June 17 2013 04:04 Schnurres wrote:
On June 17 2013 03:57 wei2coolman wrote:
On June 17 2013 03:54 Schnurres wrote:
On June 17 2013 03:35 WhiteDog wrote:
On June 17 2013 03:34 wei2coolman wrote:
On June 17 2013 03:26 Schnurres wrote:
On June 17 2013 03:19 AsnSensation wrote:
So far nobody's been able to punish czaru for taking TP everytime, maybe Peke can.


How can u punish it? It is just less kill potential and map presence/roaming and later splitpushing.

It is nothing u can really punish like not having flash as summoners and something like kha or ori.

Ignite isn't mandatory on an ap mid.

teleport fits czarus and myms playstyle way more

That is how you can abuse it. You can play a lot more aggressive against someone with no kill potential. If you know you can win a full engage all the time; you're gunna play all-in all the time without really getting punished for it.

Yeah, taking teleport and not ignite means you cannot really 1vs1, you accept to lose lane dominance for map presence.

punishing this is almost impossible because the trend is, that you don't fight that much in midlane anymore but you go roam and get kills on other lanes. And when you got a kill you most of the times use the ignite, but you would get the kill anyways. Ignite on mid is good, but imo a bit overrated.

And Czaru and mym has this playstyle since forever and you can't really punish it. They never lost a game because of czaru having ingite.

Disengaging in 1 vs 1 is esier than anything else. so you can just avoid all in fights in midlane and focus on farming and harassing. That is what czaru does and it works well for him


I'm guessing you've never seen Regi play midlane.


Na midlanes are far worse then EU midlanes in my Eyes. EU Midlanes are amongst the best of the world and if you just look through the EU LCS midlaner they are (almost) all world class.

Czarus does this vs the EU midlaners and the best of the world for month very succesfull and it is extremly hard to punsih it. After you got used to not having idnite you can judge your damage a lot better and can choose engages more wisely because you know exactly how much dmg you do and when you should back


@shikyo: actually Forellenlord never was an extremly lane dominant midplayer. When you watched his stream when he was on 1700-300 you saw, that he didn't win his lane most of the times. But he played mainly TF and Ori. With ori he just landed the best ultimates and won teamfights for his team and so the game. With Tf he used his ulti and poke to the best extent and made so his other lanes win.

idk maybe he improved but forellenlord is known for feeding hard and still winning games because he gets carried, quite a bit of high elo midlaners hated him for this (moopz, tabzz etc) when he got famous for first 3k elo even tho in most of games he fed (atleast vs known eu midlaners which eu is full of) but still won games because he was more lucky in match making lottery


The whole "FLord feeds and got carried to 3k" is such a myth. Yes, he takes more deaths than the average midlaner, because his playstyle is different. He's willing to sacrifice if he deems it benefitial for the team, a trait few other players have. FLord got/gets a lot of hate on EUW ranked, but I still remember guys like Krepo or Wickd saying a game was lost when up against FLord because he was just sooo good at exploiting the weak spots in your team even if he lost lane.


i used to spactate his games alot and trust me in alot of his games he straight up fed with scores like 1-10 etc, moopz and tabzz usually completely destroyed him in lane still lost cuz their other lanes usually lost hard (i've seen them flame him for that), this guy had insane luck in s2 when he got to 3k elo he wasnt best soloq or midlaner player back then for sure


So did I. And I've seen him get destroyed by Tabzz or Moopz. It's really not hard to destroy a TF or Orianna on Fizz, after all. Too bad that those guys play/played mainly lane bullies, and FLord then proceeded to punish their team with Ori/TF/Ahri while Tabzz/Moopz were fed, but could only manage to kill worthless FLord (who was just too happy to sacrifice himself) while his team mopped up...
RouaF
Profile Joined October 2010
France4121 Posts
June 16 2013 19:26 GMT
#1159
you're not making any sense kongoline. you don't reach 3K elo with only luck, flord was very good at solo queue that is fact. moopz is a toxic flaming ***** that is fact too.
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
June 16 2013 19:27 GMT
#1160
By the way, Alex Ich is becoming the Gregg Popovich of postgame interviews.
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