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krndandaman
Mozambique16569 Posts
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Azarkon
United States21060 Posts
On May 26 2013 16:54 thefreed wrote: Korea and Western countries play different kind of FPS games. I mean there's like only 1-5% of the population who play consoles here, so console fps games adpated to pc doesn't get much recognition in KOrea. They're just oblivious to it. But people here play Sudden attack or world of tanks now a days. Each country's FPS of choice is so different from country to country that you can't really compare the scenes. Yeah, but I think Koreans did play a lot of CS back in the day, and weren't the best at it. | ||
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thefreed
United States222 Posts
On May 26 2013 16:54 thefreed wrote: Korea and Western countries play different kind of FPS games. I mean there's like only 1-5% of the population who play consoles here, so console fps games adpated to pc doesn't get much recognition in KOrea. They're just oblivious to it. But people here play Sudden attack or world of tanks. Or like what's the game special force or something? You prolly haven't heard of it... But like Koreans don't play modern warfare or like counter strike cause They eithere haven't heard of it or ... Most of the people in Korea play korean made fps, and you know people bring in more people. Each country's FPS of choice is so different from country to country that you can't really compare the scenes. | ||
GTR
51664 Posts
On May 26 2013 16:56 Azarkon wrote: Yeah, but I think Koreans did play a lot of CS back in the day, and weren't the best at it. Nope, CS wasn't popular due to Valve being retarded in the distribution of Steam across internet cafes which allowed games like Special Force and Sudden Attack to take over. | ||
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Xenocide_Knight
Korea (South)2625 Posts
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Caphe
Vietnam10817 Posts
On May 26 2013 16:50 thefreed wrote: + Show Spoiler + On May 26 2013 16:45 Caphe wrote: First of all, Infrastructure consists of a large amount of sponsors comparable to regular sports. 1.We see Samsung, LG, Olympus, Panasonic, ST Telecom, CJ etc in Korea. Do you see the same calibre of sponsors anywhere in the world? In NA most sponsors are small business of world giants like they are in Korea. 2. Broadcast on TV, first country to do so and only a decade later the rest of the world realise that its viable for them too. Even in China, there is no gaming channel only internet stream at best. 3. Small leagues in many games, there are middle school competition, high school and university competition. As far as I know none other countries has this. 4. Important of coaching, even now, NA/EU LOL teams don't have coach while BW teams in Korea has coach like a decade ago 5. The acceptance of the public. Gaming culture playing an important part here I admit that, but gaming culture can only breed good to very good amatuers players. If you want to compete in the world stage, systematically training and marketing are required. China has a very large gaming population and very large numbers of PC Bangs too thus breed alot of very good amature players but when they turn pro, they can't compete with Korea. It's broadcast on tv but it's still like a paid channel or like you need to pay more then basic cable or something. Most peoplel watch from the internet. middle school competition and highschool and university? where did you hear this O_O. I mean a lot of people play LOL with friends and such, but I don't think there's these leagues u speak of. If so, then it's like some private thing... Then I think that kinda thing exists in a lot of other regions. 5. People in Korea are very divided when they talk about pc and online games. A lot of people are still negative about it while the other half isn't. I mean from just hearing things online don't expect Korea to be that way, but still it is true that there's a high e sport scene here because of pc cafes and etc. About the school league. I am quite sure there are league for schools in BW. Just want to put it in there. I think LOL will get their school sooner or later. | ||
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-Kato-
Spain1146 Posts
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Jojo131
Brazil1631 Posts
On May 26 2013 16:54 krndandaman wrote: I think it was partly troll (as in having confidence they will win regardless) and partly smart. Troll cause come on it's jungle gragas. There are much better options. Smart because it fit their comp. Their team was built around tower pressure/poke. Jayce, Khazix, Cait, and Gragas. They were against a team with Zac, Malphite, and Jarvan (and Thresh kinda) with great initiates. Gragas provides both turret pressure/poke and a disengage against those possible initiates. That's my reasoning, idk if there is more to it. Perhaps a better player could provide more insight :D Yeah, just to add a little more to that, it was also mentioned in the commentating that their team already had 3 AD champions, and that without an AP jungler they would just get countered by armor stacking, while at the same time Gragas provided the disengage+poke needed to combat the dive comp from CN. | ||
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krndandaman
Mozambique16569 Posts
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Azarkon
United States21060 Posts
On May 26 2013 16:45 Caphe wrote: First of all, Infrastructure consists of a large amount of sponsors comparable to regular sports. 1.We see Samsung, LG, Olympus, Panasonic, ST Telecom, CJ etc in Korea. Do you see the same calibre of sponsors anywhere in the world? In NA most sponsors are small business of world giants like they are in Korea. 2. Broadcast on TV, first country to do so and only a decade later the rest of the world realise that its viable for them too. Even in China, there is no gaming channel only internet stream at best. 3. Small leagues in many games, there are middle school competition, high school and university competition. As far as I know none other countries has this. 4. Important of coaching, even now, NA/EU LOL teams don't have coach while BW teams in Korea has coach like a decade ago 5. The acceptance of the public. All of this is important, but again I think it's putting the cart before the horse. To be fair, Kespa wasn't a grassroots movement - the Korean government had a hand in it. But still, I don't think Korean players tryhard because they think they're going to get recruited by Kespa and go on TV, nor do they have coaches helping them when they're amateurs. This infrastructure that you speak of, then, is not available to the average player, yet they are still better than their equivalents in other countries. China has a very large gaming population and very large numbers of PC Bangs too thus breed alot of very good amature players But less than Korea. I think that's the important thing here. The Chinese/EU/NA servers have larger gaming populations, yet the skill level of these servers is, in the words of people who've experienced the Korean server, a joke. This is, I think, the biggest issue with the rest of the world, because while all of the pro infrastructure you brought up above is important to bringing out the best in amateurs, the simple availability of a deeper pool of skilled amateurs on ladder makes the individual skill of Korean players higher on average, and it is the individual skill of Korean players that, I think, ultimately won out here. | ||
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UnKooL
Korea (South)1667 Posts
On May 26 2013 16:22 NeoIllusions wrote: https://twitter.com/ognglobal/status/338555527137226752/photo/1 Looks like the Korean boys did their dance. I'm sure it'll be on a stream somewhere by tomorrow. Its like 2 seconds and Ambition doesn't even really do it. Not worth. | ||
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Azarkon
United States21060 Posts
On May 26 2013 16:58 GTR wrote: Nope, CS wasn't popular due to Valve being retarded in the distribution of Steam across internet cafes which allowed games like Special Force and Sudden Attack to take over. Thanks. In that case, in your experience, was there a competitive game that Koreans played en masse, but which they weren't the best in? | ||
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krndandaman
Mozambique16569 Posts
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Emon_
3925 Posts
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UnKooL
Korea (South)1667 Posts
On May 26 2013 16:50 thefreed wrote: It's broadcast on tv but it's still like a paid channel or like you need to pay more then basic cable or something. Most peoplel watch from the internet. middle school competition and highschool and university? where did you hear this O_O. I mean a lot of people play LOL with friends and such, but I don't think there's these leagues u speak of. If so, then it's like some private thing... Then I think that kinda thing exists in a lot of other regions. 5. People in Korea are very divided when they talk about pc and online games. A lot of people are still negative about it while the other half isn't. I mean from just hearing things online don't expect Korea to be that way, but still it is true that there's a high e sport scene here because of pc cafes and etc. OGN is on mainstream cable, but a lot of people do watch it on the internet like with all korean channels and broadcasts. And there really isn't school leagues, maybe in college and occasionally pc bang tourney/leagues. NSHS,Chunnam Techno University, and KAIST to a lesser extent foster SC2 and/or LoL teams, I think they are clubs in the schools as well as collegiate teams. | ||
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Letmelose
Korea (South)3227 Posts
On May 26 2013 17:13 Emon_ wrote: Is shy ex broodwar player? I believe Watch from Najin Sword is the only player with a legitimate professional Brood War background, but I could be wrong. Playing Brood War to the best of your capabilities comes with the experience of being a young Korean kid, so there are a lot of players who were decent, or semi-competitive Brood War players. | ||
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UnKooL
Korea (South)1667 Posts
On May 26 2013 17:13 Emon_ wrote: Is shy ex broodwar player? Shy is Chaos(korean dota) player. | ||
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Silvanel
Poland4768 Posts
On May 26 2013 17:09 Azarkon wrote: Thanks. In that case, in your experience, was there a competitive game that Koreans played en masse, but which they weren't the best in? There were however pro cs teams from Korea. They were good but far from best. | ||
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silencefc
United States875 Posts
On May 26 2013 16:35 lefty wrote: A word about proper analytical commentary, Cloud Templar always mentions what the losing team needs to do in great detail to turn the situation around or how we a winning team needs to snowball by doing this and that, and what each team needs to look out for. He is also is very frank about the decision made by the players throughout the game and their thought process behind it. I love it when how he mentions the "concept" behind some team composition and what they're going for. This I believe helps the common player very much as they get some insight on how pro's think and how the game should be played, No one from the English riot streams does this from my experience and I really never gain much from watching. Montecristo provides great analytical commentary, not on the level of CloudTemplar of course, but I think most people would appreciate it. Too bad OGN is so hard to watch regularly. | ||
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StarStruck
25339 Posts
On May 26 2013 15:50 abcb wrote: This is very much like starcraft 1 days, KR -> all. The difference in skill is like Dream team 1 vs. all the rest of the world basketball team in 1992. It's going to be a while before anyone else catches up to them. The Dream Team used to be smug as shit and thought they were invisible. They didn't really work as a team either. I just saw a group of individuals. This is very different. | ||
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