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MooMooMugi
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States10531 Posts
May 26 2013 07:14 GMT
#5241
I'm looking forward to seeing how well the Chinese teams do in their normal rosters vs. the Korean teams, been so long since the last international showmatches
|LoL & SC2 IGN both my username| Just livin' the baylife| Hearthstone ID: MooMooMugi#1544| Dank Memer since 2011
SnK-Arcbound
Profile Joined March 2005
United States4423 Posts
May 26 2013 07:14 GMT
#5242
10 years of gaming houses that were thrown to the wayside by blizzards SC2 still pump out high quality Korean players when moving to a different game. What do you expect?
Fubi
Profile Joined March 2011
2228 Posts
May 26 2013 07:15 GMT
#5243
What wheres the award ceremony, seems kinda anti-climatic end
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
May 26 2013 07:16 GMT
#5244
On May 26 2013 16:11 Caphe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 26 2013 16:02 NeoIllusions wrote:
I can't even press W.
I'm so bad at this game.

fuck

And forgot to buy Merc tread too, got locked so damn long in that rune prison .

ew, I haven't gotten Mercs on Noc in foreverrrrr.
ModeratorFor the Glory that is TeamLiquid (-9 | 155) | Discord: NeoIllusions#1984
truemafia
Profile Joined November 2008
Korea (South)168 Posts
May 26 2013 07:16 GMT
#5245
On May 26 2013 16:15 Fubi wrote:
What wheres the award ceremony, seems kinda anti-climatic end

Didn't you see the crowd. Everyone left before the cinematics
Azarkon
Profile Joined January 2010
United States21060 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-26 07:16:47
May 26 2013 07:16 GMT
#5246
On May 26 2013 16:13 krndandaman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 26 2013 16:01 Azarkon wrote:
On May 26 2013 15:57 krndandaman wrote:
On May 26 2013 15:50 abcb wrote:
This is very much like starcraft 1 days, KR -> all. The difference in skill is like Dream team 1 vs. all the rest of the world basketball team in 1992. It's going to be a while before anyone else catches up to them.


do you mean the opposite? if it's anything like starcraft 1 the gap keeps on widening until foreigner scene is virtually non-existant. hopefully the west changes their gaming culture and esports infrastructure to match that of korea.


Lol there's no changing a society's gaming culture, especially not just so you get to win in eSports, which in the larger scheme of things is a minor industry. The gaming culture is decided by a region's overall view of games. In the West, games are for casual fun; very few people play them with a competitive mindset, and turnover rate is huge.


of course there is. korea didn't always have a great gaming culture. sc1 was pretty much the father of esports (boxer!!). it is a minor industry but things can be done to improve it. games are for casual fun in the east too, just that it doubles as a competitive sport as well. idk why you're just stating obvious observations of the result of the current gaming culture in the west.
it's been improving, but still far from what korea has.


I don't know why you think it's improving. eSports is bigger in the West but the gaming culture has not changed at all. Gaming in the West worships casual games today, and the pressure within the industry is for devs to go easier.
JBright
Profile Joined September 2010
Vancouver14381 Posts
May 26 2013 07:16 GMT
#5247


There's also a behind the scenes for the trailer.
ModeratorThe good and the wise lead quiet lives. Neo's #1 Frenemy and nightmare.
thefreed
Profile Joined January 2011
United States222 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-26 07:17:18
May 26 2013 07:16 GMT
#5248
omg Pray saying "Doublelift is overrated."
SMUG ASIANS!

but he said it jokingly cause the casters asked him like what did you think after Doublelift said that and you beat him.
My country is the world, My religion is to do good. -T.P The fool doth thinks his a wise man, but the wise man knows he is a fool. -W.S
UnKooL
Profile Joined August 2010
Korea (South)1667 Posts
May 26 2013 07:17 GMT
#5249
On May 26 2013 16:16 thefreed wrote:
omg Pray saying "Doublelift is overrated."
SMUG ASIANS!

lol I watched that too.
LoL: UnKooL and SoloQFiendUnKooL, SC2: UnKooL
Caphe
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Vietnam10817 Posts
May 26 2013 07:17 GMT
#5250
WE was good at IPL5 and deserved to win. Like you said, its their first international tourney for Korean teams while WE has alot of experience competing in big tourney.

This time there is no excuse, China All-star is a very good team, work well together as they showed in their previous matches but not good enough to stop the Koreans.
Its BW and SC2 all over again. But you can't hardly blame anyone for that since Korea is the mecca of competitive and market e-sport. When most people watching LOL nowadays didn't have an ADSL connection, there were already TV broadcast of SC:BW national wide in Korea.
The rest of the world has alot to catch up. The infrastructure is as important in e-sport as any other regular sports.
Terran
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
May 26 2013 07:20 GMT
#5251
On May 26 2013 16:14 Azarkon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 26 2013 16:07 NeoIllusions wrote:
On May 26 2013 15:50 Kiett wrote:
I wasn't sure, since the last time I watched CN vs KR teams was at IPL 5, where WE completely crushed all opposition, and the Azubu teams didn't even make it all that far. Thought CN would at least put up a fight. Has something has changed drastically in the last half year? Or was that just a lucky run for WE?


Koreans have much more individual talent, that's not even up for discussion.


But why? The question is how do you answer this question. Saying that it's a matter of born talent doesn't work because Korea is a country of 50 million people while the rest of the world in eSports has 2-3 billion - ie China 1.3 billion, EU + NA 1.1 billion, SEA another 500 million. You don't just get that sort of RNG when it comes to born talent. It then has to be talent infrastructure and gaming culture. But what, exactly?

I think I'm starting to work it out but I want to hear what others have to say.


Oh, it's definitely not some bullshit like "oh, Koreans are born to be great at LoL". Fuck that.
The top Korean teams (I'm talking about Blaze/Frost in particular), they practice a shitton, they discuss and strategize, and hone their skills to an art. Do people realize that Frost has made it to every OGN Finals thus far? That's 4 straight. It's obscene.

And it all comes down to practice. Against NA, we saw it most vividly. Every one of Korea's lanes flat out dominated.

Koreans take League serious as hell. There's no bullshitting when it comes to how they prepare.
ModeratorFor the Glory that is TeamLiquid (-9 | 155) | Discord: NeoIllusions#1984
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
May 26 2013 07:22 GMT
#5252
https://twitter.com/ognglobal/status/338555527137226752/photo/1
Looks like the Korean boys did their dance. I'm sure it'll be on a stream somewhere by tomorrow.
ModeratorFor the Glory that is TeamLiquid (-9 | 155) | Discord: NeoIllusions#1984
AsnSensation
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany24009 Posts
May 26 2013 07:24 GMT
#5253
damn it Flame or Shy?... Both handsome, both Gods

fell asleep after NA got stomped twice because I was on 3 hours of sleep, then woke up to Korea ending game 2 with a stomp and shy 9/0 l0l

Certainly did not expect that, inb4 shitstorm from c-netizens for the WE/iG guys
Caphe
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Vietnam10817 Posts
May 26 2013 07:24 GMT
#5254
On May 26 2013 16:14 Azarkon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 26 2013 16:07 NeoIllusions wrote:
On May 26 2013 15:50 Kiett wrote:
I wasn't sure, since the last time I watched CN vs KR teams was at IPL 5, where WE completely crushed all opposition, and the Azubu teams didn't even make it all that far. Thought CN would at least put up a fight. Has something has changed drastically in the last half year? Or was that just a lucky run for WE?


Koreans have much more individual talent, that's not even up for discussion.


But why? The question is how do you answer this question. Saying that it's a matter of born talent doesn't work because Korea is a country of 50 million people while the rest of the world in eSports has 2-3 billion - ie China 1.3 billion, EU + NA 1.1 billion, SEA another 500 million. You don't just get that sort of RNG when it comes to born talent. It then has to be talent infrastructure and gaming culture. But what, exactly?

I think I'm starting to work it out but I want to hear what others have to say.

Ok, just look at regular sports. Basket ball in America, soccer in EU. Talents don't come with large population. Talents are the result of which country has the best infrastructure and system to actually brought them out.
Just look at how big soccer is in EU and how well Germany, England, Spain doing in the world of soccer. It is the result of all of them have a strong domestic league, exceptional youth academy and talent scout.

Korea has the same thing for e-sport. They are well supported by major corporation(Samsung, SK Telecom, CJ etc..), well covered on National TV, good structure of management with coaches for every teams. Its natural that they are successful and the rest of the world can only catch up if they can develop a similar system like in Korea.
Terran
krndandaman
Profile Joined August 2009
Mozambique16569 Posts
May 26 2013 07:26 GMT
#5255
--- Nuked ---
nanospartan
Profile Joined July 2011
649 Posts
May 26 2013 07:26 GMT
#5256
So what did you guys think about jungle gragas? or what it just an ultbot that insec trolled around on?
I was an athiest until I watched the Day[9] daily
thefreed
Profile Joined January 2011
United States222 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-26 07:29:22
May 26 2013 07:26 GMT
#5257
On May 26 2013 16:20 NeoIllusions wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 26 2013 16:14 Azarkon wrote:
On May 26 2013 16:07 NeoIllusions wrote:
On May 26 2013 15:50 Kiett wrote:
I wasn't sure, since the last time I watched CN vs KR teams was at IPL 5, where WE completely crushed all opposition, and the Azubu teams didn't even make it all that far. Thought CN would at least put up a fight. Has something has changed drastically in the last half year? Or was that just a lucky run for WE?


Koreans have much more individual talent, that's not even up for discussion.


But why? The question is how do you answer this question. Saying that it's a matter of born talent doesn't work because Korea is a country of 50 million people while the rest of the world in eSports has 2-3 billion - ie China 1.3 billion, EU + NA 1.1 billion, SEA another 500 million. You don't just get that sort of RNG when it comes to born talent. It then has to be talent infrastructure and gaming culture. But what, exactly?

I think I'm starting to work it out but I want to hear what others have to say.


Oh, it's definitely not some bullshit like "oh, Koreans are born to be great at LoL". Fuck that.
The top Korean teams (I'm talking about Blaze/Frost in particular), they practice a shitton, they discuss and strategize, and hone their skills to an art. Do people realize that Frost has made it to every OGN Finals thus far? That's 4 straight. It's obscene.

And it all comes down to practice. Against NA, we saw it most vividly. Every one of Korea's lanes flat out dominated.

Koreans take League serious as hell. There's no bullshitting when it comes to how they prepare.



It all comes out to structure. Koreans know how to become competitive in Esports. Look at Street fighter or like KOF, starcraft. I mean they just have this down to a science.

They know that they need a coach that can analyze see things from a cold, logical viewpoint.

Also the teams they practice with, a lot of the teams have a scrim partner like Najin, CJ, MVP. And the level of the teams are all really high, so they build each other up and make them stronger.

And LOL is really getting big in Korea, so a lot of people are playing it I think that has to factor in as well.

Lastly, I really think NA and EU need a really good progamer commentating with them, cause after I heard CloudTemplar commentating, it just made me understand the game more indepth.

Also taking practicing long hours into account, it really depends on the teams. Like some teams in EU and NA practice as much as Koreans, but it's just they don't have a coach, and they're not using their time proficiently.

If you had two teams under one club, then they could also get more opinions from the opponents stand point, but EU and NA don't really get as close as the Korean scene to help each other out.

Taking all these things into account, is the reason why Korean scene is getting stronger faster then other regions...
My country is the world, My religion is to do good. -T.P The fool doth thinks his a wise man, but the wise man knows he is a fool. -W.S
overt
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States9006 Posts
May 26 2013 07:27 GMT
#5258
On May 26 2013 16:20 NeoIllusions wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 26 2013 16:14 Azarkon wrote:
On May 26 2013 16:07 NeoIllusions wrote:
On May 26 2013 15:50 Kiett wrote:
I wasn't sure, since the last time I watched CN vs KR teams was at IPL 5, where WE completely crushed all opposition, and the Azubu teams didn't even make it all that far. Thought CN would at least put up a fight. Has something has changed drastically in the last half year? Or was that just a lucky run for WE?


Koreans have much more individual talent, that's not even up for discussion.


But why? The question is how do you answer this question. Saying that it's a matter of born talent doesn't work because Korea is a country of 50 million people while the rest of the world in eSports has 2-3 billion - ie China 1.3 billion, EU + NA 1.1 billion, SEA another 500 million. You don't just get that sort of RNG when it comes to born talent. It then has to be talent infrastructure and gaming culture. But what, exactly?

I think I'm starting to work it out but I want to hear what others have to say.


Oh, it's definitely not some bullshit like "oh, Koreans are born to be great at LoL". Fuck that.
The top Korean teams (I'm talking about Blaze/Frost in particular), they practice a shitton, they discuss and strategize, and hone their skills to an art. Do people realize that Frost has made it to every OGN Finals thus far? That's 4 straight. It's obscene.

And it all comes down to practice. Against NA, we saw it most vividly. Every one of Korea's lanes flat out dominated.

Koreans take League serious as hell. There's no bullshitting when it comes to how they prepare.


I know this will sound like a cop out but I'm 100% confident that if eSports was as big in NA, EU, or China then Korea would eventually be dethroned. Granted I don't think the vast majority of pro players in those regions would be there still because they'd be replaced by people who are just naturally better than them and/or who have a harder work ethic. But yeah, I feel like Korea's eSports culture and infrastructure give it the edge they need.

I also think people are overrating the all-stars match a bit. If Korea dominates Worlds and we have three Koreans in the semi-finals with a Korea vs Korea S3 world finals then ok. We can start talking about Korean dominance. But Korea didn't win S2 and the last international event we had was won by China.

Korea will probably surge ahead I just dunno if it's happened yet (and I'm not confident that China can't end up being competitive with them).
GTR
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
51497 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-26 07:30:52
May 26 2013 07:30 GMT
#5259
On May 26 2013 16:22 NeoIllusions wrote:
https://twitter.com/ognglobal/status/338555527137226752/photo/1
Looks like the Korean boys did their dance. I'm sure it'll be on a stream somewhere by tomorrow.


https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=384069308371032&set=vb.231588610319326&type=2&theater
Dat Mantoss.
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NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
May 26 2013 07:31 GMT
#5260
CN will be able to compete with Koreans. There will continue to be outlier teams in all the regions (Look at TPA, Fnatic/Gambit). But if we're strictly talking about regional depth, Korea is king.
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