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Keep the rage to a minimum. This includes wait times between games, music, and balance.
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I fucking hate the NA teams now. All three of them get trashed, NA teams win one game the entire tournament and it's a game that they would've lost had it not been for a really cheesy back door on the Nexus with two teleports. All three NA teams come out with bullshit excuses for losing.
We got the wrong side. Our strats got leaked. The other teams cheated.
I'm glad the NA scene is trash if this is how they take to getting completely outplayed.
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United States47024 Posts
On October 08 2012 05:26 Sufficiency wrote:
Suffice to say this is a disaster for Riot. Maybe we should move onto Dota2 and hope Valve would do a better job (at least get the freaking booth).
My ass that they cost 200,000 dollars.
Amusingly:
TI2 total prize pool - 1.6 million
S2 World Champs total prize pool - 2 million
Guess we know how Valve spent the other 400k lolololol
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On October 08 2012 05:20 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2012 05:15 Shivaz wrote:On October 08 2012 05:05 TheYango wrote:On October 08 2012 05:00 Shivaz wrote:
on reddit there is a thread with some screenshots about how other teams cheated as well TPA/IG, and there is a video of IG player blantantly looking in a match vs SK.
so once again some tournement huh :D I'm like 90% sure that if you combed the videos for the NA/EU teams you'd find the same thing. It's just that people don't want to find evidence against teams they like, so they turn a blind eye when it comes to them. They want damning evidence against the foreign teams they don't like that eliminated their favorite teams. TSM is the only western team people have found evidence against because TSM has just as many anti-fans as they do fans. Ya, I dont think the post was witch hunt against any specific teams they dont like etc, its more of 50% or maybe more of this 2 mil tournament is cheating and how is riot going to justify this and continue on. In the end riot decided rotating platform + players being able to hear the fans is more important than booth to help the legitimacy of the tournament. no lol people are 100% withchunting all the asian teams xenophobia shines through once again woo
It's not xenophobie but nationalism, the other way around. Even koreans support korean teams and think that korean's honor is in the line everytime their team play against a non korean team (well that was the case in BW, and Tossgirl crying after losing against IdrA is an exemple of that).
I don't really understand why people expect others not to be biased in such condition, everybody is rooting for their teams and losing against korean or anything else is not something you accept easily. The thing is, as biased as you can be, there is always a way for the discussion to remain civil, and some people seems to cross the line way too much.
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East Gorteau22261 Posts
On October 08 2012 05:29 zulu_nation8 wrote:
so like, how long does it take to get good at dota2?
Like, good-good, or IG/Na'Vi/Other top team-good? If it's the first, a while. If it's the second, a longer while.
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United States19229 Posts
On October 08 2012 05:04 Sermokala wrote:
yeah the whole cheating thing is classic reddit witch hunting. people arn't useualy that worked up about things like that here. Things could have been a lot worse really and this will probably be the catalyst that gives us some new features so that this doesn't happen in the future. The crowd was fucking fantastic better then TI2 by far and I thought the venue was a lot cooler as well.
I mean it really sucks that the third day of the event tanked hard because of technical problems. Sc2 has had way worse problems and have had lagy games at more events then any of us can count. It was a free event and it had really great games the whole weekend and even day 3 had some epic long games from clg.eu that they managed to pull back the game from.
I'm still completely hyped for m5 vs TPA.
Lol the crowd was in no way better than TI2 lmfao
And cheating is important. I don't know why people blow it off like it's a "witch hunt". It doesn't necessarily matter which teams do it, but the fact that a lot of teams are capable of doing it and that it's very easy and that it has been done is the important thing. I can't really blame the players when they made it so damn easy. It's like putting a huge answer sheet on the side of the room and telling people not to cheat on a final that takes up 95% of your grade. This is S2, so I can't see an excuse as to how they weren't ready for this event, and unlike MLG dallas, there won't be another one for at least a year.
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United States47024 Posts
On October 08 2012 05:32 WhiteDog wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2012 05:20 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:On October 08 2012 05:15 Shivaz wrote:On October 08 2012 05:05 TheYango wrote:On October 08 2012 05:00 Shivaz wrote:
on reddit there is a thread with some screenshots about how other teams cheated as well TPA/IG, and there is a video of IG player blantantly looking in a match vs SK.
so once again some tournement huh :D I'm like 90% sure that if you combed the videos for the NA/EU teams you'd find the same thing. It's just that people don't want to find evidence against teams they like, so they turn a blind eye when it comes to them. They want damning evidence against the foreign teams they don't like that eliminated their favorite teams. TSM is the only western team people have found evidence against because TSM has just as many anti-fans as they do fans. Ya, I dont think the post was witch hunt against any specific teams they dont like etc, its more of 50% or maybe more of this 2 mil tournament is cheating and how is riot going to justify this and continue on. In the end riot decided rotating platform + players being able to hear the fans is more important than booth to help the legitimacy of the tournament. no lol people are 100% withchunting all the asian teams xenophobia shines through once again woo It's not xenophobie but nationalism, the other way around. Even koreans support korean teams and think that korean's honor is in the line everytime their team play against a non korean team (well that was the case in BW, and Tossgirl crying after losing against IdrA is an exemple of that). I don't really understand why people expect others not to be biased in such condition, everybody is rooting for their teams and losing against korean or anything else is not something you accept easily.
Then why are they looking for evidence the other Asian teams over games they played against non-NA teams?
On October 08 2012 05:33 Itsmedudeman wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2012 05:04 Sermokala wrote:
yeah the whole cheating thing is classic reddit witch hunting. people arn't useualy that worked up about things like that here. Things could have been a lot worse really and this will probably be the catalyst that gives us some new features so that this doesn't happen in the future. The crowd was fucking fantastic better then TI2 by far and I thought the venue was a lot cooler as well.
I mean it really sucks that the third day of the event tanked hard because of technical problems. Sc2 has had way worse problems and have had lagy games at more events then any of us can count. It was a free event and it had really great games the whole weekend and even day 3 had some epic long games from clg.eu that they managed to pull back the game from.
I'm still completely hyped for m5 vs TPA. Lol the crowd was in no way better than TI2 lmfao And cheating is important. I don't know why people blow it off like it's a "witch hunt". It doesn't necessarily matter which teams do it, but the fact that a lot of teams are capable of doing it and that it's very easy and that it has been done is the important thing. I can't really blame the players when they made it so damn easy. It's like putting a huge answer sheet on the side of the room and telling people not to cheat on a final that takes up 95% of your grade. This is S2, so I can't see an excuse as to how they weren't ready for this event, and unlike MLG dallas, there won't be another one for at least a year.
It's a "witch hunt" because this is being unfairly directed at certain teams, when it's honestly highly likely that you'd find this evidence against every team. It kills the integrity of the whole event, but you honestly can't point the finger at just a few teams.
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On October 08 2012 05:31 Shivaz wrote:
hey guys hear me out here, how about sound proof booth that blocks audio and view of the stream??? do you think that can prevent this?
This has been the case for Korean BW for a VERY long time. I remember one time MBC got blasted because Leta moved his eyes to look at the crowd once (because the MBC studio's booth are not raised like the OGN studio so you could see the crowd from inside).
Then there is the famous Boxer earhacking yellow back in the days when BW had no booth.
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On October 08 2012 05:35 TheYango wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2012 05:32 WhiteDog wrote:On October 08 2012 05:20 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:On October 08 2012 05:15 Shivaz wrote:On October 08 2012 05:05 TheYango wrote:On October 08 2012 05:00 Shivaz wrote:
on reddit there is a thread with some screenshots about how other teams cheated as well TPA/IG, and there is a video of IG player blantantly looking in a match vs SK.
so once again some tournement huh :D I'm like 90% sure that if you combed the videos for the NA/EU teams you'd find the same thing. It's just that people don't want to find evidence against teams they like, so they turn a blind eye when it comes to them. They want damning evidence against the foreign teams they don't like that eliminated their favorite teams. TSM is the only western team people have found evidence against because TSM has just as many anti-fans as they do fans. Ya, I dont think the post was witch hunt against any specific teams they dont like etc, its more of 50% or maybe more of this 2 mil tournament is cheating and how is riot going to justify this and continue on. In the end riot decided rotating platform + players being able to hear the fans is more important than booth to help the legitimacy of the tournament. no lol people are 100% withchunting all the asian teams xenophobia shines through once again woo It's not xenophobie but nationalism, the other way around. Even koreans support korean teams and think that korean's honor is in the line everytime their team play against a non korean team (well that was the case in BW, and Tossgirl crying after losing against IdrA is an exemple of that). I don't really understand why people expect others not to be biased in such condition, everybody is rooting for their teams and losing against korean or anything else is not something you accept easily. Then why are they looking for evidence the other Asian teams over games they played against non-NA teams?
For me the real problem is not that people are looking for evidence that this team or this team cheated or not, but that people think it's relevant to mention that this team and this team cheated and that they are both koreans (or asians).
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Don't know if it's just me but I find all of this highly amusing.
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On October 08 2012 05:33 Zealously wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2012 05:29 zulu_nation8 wrote:
so like, how long does it take to get good at dota2? Like, good-good, or IG/Na'Vi/Other top team-good? If it's the first, a while. If it's the second, a longer while.
There are very few top players who haven't been playing the game for at least 5 years, and the pro scene for at least 2-3
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On October 08 2012 05:36 TheKefka wrote:
Don't know if it's just me but I find all of this highly amusing.
I know I was laughing a lot last night, but that could be I was also so tired everything was funny.
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United States19229 Posts
On October 08 2012 05:35 TheYango wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2012 05:32 WhiteDog wrote:On October 08 2012 05:20 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:On October 08 2012 05:15 Shivaz wrote:On October 08 2012 05:05 TheYango wrote:On October 08 2012 05:00 Shivaz wrote:
on reddit there is a thread with some screenshots about how other teams cheated as well TPA/IG, and there is a video of IG player blantantly looking in a match vs SK.
so once again some tournement huh :D I'm like 90% sure that if you combed the videos for the NA/EU teams you'd find the same thing. It's just that people don't want to find evidence against teams they like, so they turn a blind eye when it comes to them. They want damning evidence against the foreign teams they don't like that eliminated their favorite teams. TSM is the only western team people have found evidence against because TSM has just as many anti-fans as they do fans. Ya, I dont think the post was witch hunt against any specific teams they dont like etc, its more of 50% or maybe more of this 2 mil tournament is cheating and how is riot going to justify this and continue on. In the end riot decided rotating platform + players being able to hear the fans is more important than booth to help the legitimacy of the tournament. no lol people are 100% withchunting all the asian teams xenophobia shines through once again woo It's not xenophobie but nationalism, the other way around. Even koreans support korean teams and think that korean's honor is in the line everytime their team play against a non korean team (well that was the case in BW, and Tossgirl crying after losing against IdrA is an exemple of that). I don't really understand why people expect others not to be biased in such condition, everybody is rooting for their teams and losing against korean or anything else is not something you accept easily. Then why are they looking for evidence the other Asian teams over games they played against non-NA teams? Show nested quote +On October 08 2012 05:33 Itsmedudeman wrote:On October 08 2012 05:04 Sermokala wrote:
yeah the whole cheating thing is classic reddit witch hunting. people arn't useualy that worked up about things like that here. Things could have been a lot worse really and this will probably be the catalyst that gives us some new features so that this doesn't happen in the future. The crowd was fucking fantastic better then TI2 by far and I thought the venue was a lot cooler as well.
I mean it really sucks that the third day of the event tanked hard because of technical problems. Sc2 has had way worse problems and have had lagy games at more events then any of us can count. It was a free event and it had really great games the whole weekend and even day 3 had some epic long games from clg.eu that they managed to pull back the game from.
I'm still completely hyped for m5 vs TPA. Lol the crowd was in no way better than TI2 lmfao And cheating is important. I don't know why people blow it off like it's a "witch hunt". It doesn't necessarily matter which teams do it, but the fact that a lot of teams are capable of doing it and that it's very easy and that it has been done is the important thing. I can't really blame the players when they made it so damn easy. It's like putting a huge answer sheet on the side of the room and telling people not to cheat on a final that takes up 95% of your grade. This is S2, so I can't see an excuse as to how they weren't ready for this event, and unlike MLG dallas, there won't be another one for at least a year. It's a "witch hunt" because this is being unfairly directed at certain teams, when it's honestly highly likely that you'd find this evidence against every team. It kills the integrity of the whole event, but you honestly can't point the finger at just a few teams.
Yes, of course, I'm just saying we shouldn't let it go and be okay with everyone doing it
http://puu.sh/1cnqC
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If TSM did cheat more than the Dyrus glance already mentioned it would have been caught by now. It just so happens there is more shady images of the Asian teams glancing unless you think fans consciously did not look for Western teams cheating or suppressed the images.
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United States23745 Posts
On October 08 2012 05:32 overt wrote:
I fucking hate the NA teams now. All three of them get trashed, NA teams win one game the entire tournament and it's a game that they would've lost had it not been for a really cheesy back door on the Nexus with two teleports. All three NA teams come out with bullshit excuses for losing.
We got the wrong side. Our strats got leaked. The other teams cheated.
I'm glad the NA scene is trash if this is how they take to getting completely outplayed.
Wins a win. SK should have know they had teleport off of cooldown and responded properly. They over committed in CLG's base without being able to finish the game, and in turn couldn't blue pill fast enough to get back and stop the CLG's teleport push. Those are elements of the game a pro team should be aware of and be able to react accordingly. I really disliked a lot of the excuses the NA teams made up though. The blue side strategy only thing from CLG made me facepalm.
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On October 08 2012 05:40 Itsmedudeman wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2012 05:35 TheYango wrote:On October 08 2012 05:32 WhiteDog wrote:On October 08 2012 05:20 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:On October 08 2012 05:15 Shivaz wrote:On October 08 2012 05:05 TheYango wrote:On October 08 2012 05:00 Shivaz wrote:
on reddit there is a thread with some screenshots about how other teams cheated as well TPA/IG, and there is a video of IG player blantantly looking in a match vs SK.
so once again some tournement huh :D I'm like 90% sure that if you combed the videos for the NA/EU teams you'd find the same thing. It's just that people don't want to find evidence against teams they like, so they turn a blind eye when it comes to them. They want damning evidence against the foreign teams they don't like that eliminated their favorite teams. TSM is the only western team people have found evidence against because TSM has just as many anti-fans as they do fans. Ya, I dont think the post was witch hunt against any specific teams they dont like etc, its more of 50% or maybe more of this 2 mil tournament is cheating and how is riot going to justify this and continue on. In the end riot decided rotating platform + players being able to hear the fans is more important than booth to help the legitimacy of the tournament. no lol people are 100% withchunting all the asian teams xenophobia shines through once again woo It's not xenophobie but nationalism, the other way around. Even koreans support korean teams and think that korean's honor is in the line everytime their team play against a non korean team (well that was the case in BW, and Tossgirl crying after losing against IdrA is an exemple of that). I don't really understand why people expect others not to be biased in such condition, everybody is rooting for their teams and losing against korean or anything else is not something you accept easily. Then why are they looking for evidence the other Asian teams over games they played against non-NA teams? On October 08 2012 05:33 Itsmedudeman wrote:On October 08 2012 05:04 Sermokala wrote:
yeah the whole cheating thing is classic reddit witch hunting. people arn't useualy that worked up about things like that here. Things could have been a lot worse really and this will probably be the catalyst that gives us some new features so that this doesn't happen in the future. The crowd was fucking fantastic better then TI2 by far and I thought the venue was a lot cooler as well.
I mean it really sucks that the third day of the event tanked hard because of technical problems. Sc2 has had way worse problems and have had lagy games at more events then any of us can count. It was a free event and it had really great games the whole weekend and even day 3 had some epic long games from clg.eu that they managed to pull back the game from.
I'm still completely hyped for m5 vs TPA. Lol the crowd was in no way better than TI2 lmfao And cheating is important. I don't know why people blow it off like it's a "witch hunt". It doesn't necessarily matter which teams do it, but the fact that a lot of teams are capable of doing it and that it's very easy and that it has been done is the important thing. I can't really blame the players when they made it so damn easy. It's like putting a huge answer sheet on the side of the room and telling people not to cheat on a final that takes up 95% of your grade. This is S2, so I can't see an excuse as to how they weren't ready for this event, and unlike MLG dallas, there won't be another one for at least a year. It's a "witch hunt" because this is being unfairly directed at certain teams, when it's honestly highly likely that you'd find this evidence against every team. It kills the integrity of the whole event, but you honestly can't point the finger at just a few teams. Yes, of course, I'm just saying we shouldn't let it go and be okay with everyone doing it http://puu.sh/1cnqC
And how exactly was Dyrus told azubu looked at the minimap? The only way for them to know is by looking at Azubu, which, guess what, is the same direction as the minimap. I'm pretty sure Azubu looked at the minimap after they were told Regi looked at the minimap and it was going to be a restart anyways.
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United States47024 Posts
On October 08 2012 05:43 BlackMagister wrote:
If TSM did cheat more than the Dyrus glance already mentioned it would have been caught by now. It just so happens there is more shady images of the Asian teams glancing unless you think fans consciously did not look for Western teams cheating or suppressed the images.
Why would you look for damning evidence against your favorite team?
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On October 08 2012 05:40 Itsmedudeman wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2012 05:35 TheYango wrote:On October 08 2012 05:32 WhiteDog wrote:On October 08 2012 05:20 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:On October 08 2012 05:15 Shivaz wrote:On October 08 2012 05:05 TheYango wrote:On October 08 2012 05:00 Shivaz wrote:
on reddit there is a thread with some screenshots about how other teams cheated as well TPA/IG, and there is a video of IG player blantantly looking in a match vs SK.
so once again some tournement huh :D I'm like 90% sure that if you combed the videos for the NA/EU teams you'd find the same thing. It's just that people don't want to find evidence against teams they like, so they turn a blind eye when it comes to them. They want damning evidence against the foreign teams they don't like that eliminated their favorite teams. TSM is the only western team people have found evidence against because TSM has just as many anti-fans as they do fans. Ya, I dont think the post was witch hunt against any specific teams they dont like etc, its more of 50% or maybe more of this 2 mil tournament is cheating and how is riot going to justify this and continue on. In the end riot decided rotating platform + players being able to hear the fans is more important than booth to help the legitimacy of the tournament. no lol people are 100% withchunting all the asian teams xenophobia shines through once again woo It's not xenophobie but nationalism, the other way around. Even koreans support korean teams and think that korean's honor is in the line everytime their team play against a non korean team (well that was the case in BW, and Tossgirl crying after losing against IdrA is an exemple of that). I don't really understand why people expect others not to be biased in such condition, everybody is rooting for their teams and losing against korean or anything else is not something you accept easily. Then why are they looking for evidence the other Asian teams over games they played against non-NA teams? On October 08 2012 05:33 Itsmedudeman wrote:On October 08 2012 05:04 Sermokala wrote:
yeah the whole cheating thing is classic reddit witch hunting. people arn't useualy that worked up about things like that here. Things could have been a lot worse really and this will probably be the catalyst that gives us some new features so that this doesn't happen in the future. The crowd was fucking fantastic better then TI2 by far and I thought the venue was a lot cooler as well.
I mean it really sucks that the third day of the event tanked hard because of technical problems. Sc2 has had way worse problems and have had lagy games at more events then any of us can count. It was a free event and it had really great games the whole weekend and even day 3 had some epic long games from clg.eu that they managed to pull back the game from.
I'm still completely hyped for m5 vs TPA. Lol the crowd was in no way better than TI2 lmfao And cheating is important. I don't know why people blow it off like it's a "witch hunt". It doesn't necessarily matter which teams do it, but the fact that a lot of teams are capable of doing it and that it's very easy and that it has been done is the important thing. I can't really blame the players when they made it so damn easy. It's like putting a huge answer sheet on the side of the room and telling people not to cheat on a final that takes up 95% of your grade. This is S2, so I can't see an excuse as to how they weren't ready for this event, and unlike MLG dallas, there won't be another one for at least a year. It's a "witch hunt" because this is being unfairly directed at certain teams, when it's honestly highly likely that you'd find this evidence against every team. It kills the integrity of the whole event, but you honestly can't point the finger at just a few teams. Yes, of course, I'm just saying we shouldn't let it go and be okay with everyone doing it http://puu.sh/1cnqC
They don't really have a choice. They're already in panic mode trying to find a new venue to finish the games behind schedule. Do you really think they have time to completely replay the tournament so teams can't cheat? They can't just disqualify them all for cheating.
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On October 08 2012 05:47 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2012 05:40 Itsmedudeman wrote:On October 08 2012 05:35 TheYango wrote:On October 08 2012 05:32 WhiteDog wrote:On October 08 2012 05:20 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:On October 08 2012 05:15 Shivaz wrote:On October 08 2012 05:05 TheYango wrote:On October 08 2012 05:00 Shivaz wrote:
on reddit there is a thread with some screenshots about how other teams cheated as well TPA/IG, and there is a video of IG player blantantly looking in a match vs SK.
so once again some tournement huh :D I'm like 90% sure that if you combed the videos for the NA/EU teams you'd find the same thing. It's just that people don't want to find evidence against teams they like, so they turn a blind eye when it comes to them. They want damning evidence against the foreign teams they don't like that eliminated their favorite teams. TSM is the only western team people have found evidence against because TSM has just as many anti-fans as they do fans. Ya, I dont think the post was witch hunt against any specific teams they dont like etc, its more of 50% or maybe more of this 2 mil tournament is cheating and how is riot going to justify this and continue on. In the end riot decided rotating platform + players being able to hear the fans is more important than booth to help the legitimacy of the tournament. no lol people are 100% withchunting all the asian teams xenophobia shines through once again woo It's not xenophobie but nationalism, the other way around. Even koreans support korean teams and think that korean's honor is in the line everytime their team play against a non korean team (well that was the case in BW, and Tossgirl crying after losing against IdrA is an exemple of that). I don't really understand why people expect others not to be biased in such condition, everybody is rooting for their teams and losing against korean or anything else is not something you accept easily. Then why are they looking for evidence the other Asian teams over games they played against non-NA teams? On October 08 2012 05:33 Itsmedudeman wrote:On October 08 2012 05:04 Sermokala wrote:
yeah the whole cheating thing is classic reddit witch hunting. people arn't useualy that worked up about things like that here. Things could have been a lot worse really and this will probably be the catalyst that gives us some new features so that this doesn't happen in the future. The crowd was fucking fantastic better then TI2 by far and I thought the venue was a lot cooler as well.
I mean it really sucks that the third day of the event tanked hard because of technical problems. Sc2 has had way worse problems and have had lagy games at more events then any of us can count. It was a free event and it had really great games the whole weekend and even day 3 had some epic long games from clg.eu that they managed to pull back the game from.
I'm still completely hyped for m5 vs TPA. Lol the crowd was in no way better than TI2 lmfao And cheating is important. I don't know why people blow it off like it's a "witch hunt". It doesn't necessarily matter which teams do it, but the fact that a lot of teams are capable of doing it and that it's very easy and that it has been done is the important thing. I can't really blame the players when they made it so damn easy. It's like putting a huge answer sheet on the side of the room and telling people not to cheat on a final that takes up 95% of your grade. This is S2, so I can't see an excuse as to how they weren't ready for this event, and unlike MLG dallas, there won't be another one for at least a year. It's a "witch hunt" because this is being unfairly directed at certain teams, when it's honestly highly likely that you'd find this evidence against every team. It kills the integrity of the whole event, but you honestly can't point the finger at just a few teams. Yes, of course, I'm just saying we shouldn't let it go and be okay with everyone doing it http://puu.sh/1cnqC They don't really have a choice. They're already in panic mode trying to find a new venue to finish the games behind schedule. Do you really think they have time to completely replay the tournament so teams can't cheat? They can't just disqualify them all for cheating.
There's also the fact to consider that a full replay also means giving teams who cheated and lost a 2nd chance which is beyond retarded.
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On October 08 2012 05:40 Itsmedudeman wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2012 05:35 TheYango wrote:On October 08 2012 05:32 WhiteDog wrote:On October 08 2012 05:20 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:On October 08 2012 05:15 Shivaz wrote:On October 08 2012 05:05 TheYango wrote:On October 08 2012 05:00 Shivaz wrote:
on reddit there is a thread with some screenshots about how other teams cheated as well TPA/IG, and there is a video of IG player blantantly looking in a match vs SK.
so once again some tournement huh :D I'm like 90% sure that if you combed the videos for the NA/EU teams you'd find the same thing. It's just that people don't want to find evidence against teams they like, so they turn a blind eye when it comes to them. They want damning evidence against the foreign teams they don't like that eliminated their favorite teams. TSM is the only western team people have found evidence against because TSM has just as many anti-fans as they do fans. Ya, I dont think the post was witch hunt against any specific teams they dont like etc, its more of 50% or maybe more of this 2 mil tournament is cheating and how is riot going to justify this and continue on. In the end riot decided rotating platform + players being able to hear the fans is more important than booth to help the legitimacy of the tournament. no lol people are 100% withchunting all the asian teams xenophobia shines through once again woo It's not xenophobie but nationalism, the other way around. Even koreans support korean teams and think that korean's honor is in the line everytime their team play against a non korean team (well that was the case in BW, and Tossgirl crying after losing against IdrA is an exemple of that). I don't really understand why people expect others not to be biased in such condition, everybody is rooting for their teams and losing against korean or anything else is not something you accept easily. Then why are they looking for evidence the other Asian teams over games they played against non-NA teams? On October 08 2012 05:33 Itsmedudeman wrote:On October 08 2012 05:04 Sermokala wrote:
yeah the whole cheating thing is classic reddit witch hunting. people arn't useualy that worked up about things like that here. Things could have been a lot worse really and this will probably be the catalyst that gives us some new features so that this doesn't happen in the future. The crowd was fucking fantastic better then TI2 by far and I thought the venue was a lot cooler as well.
I mean it really sucks that the third day of the event tanked hard because of technical problems. Sc2 has had way worse problems and have had lagy games at more events then any of us can count. It was a free event and it had really great games the whole weekend and even day 3 had some epic long games from clg.eu that they managed to pull back the game from.
I'm still completely hyped for m5 vs TPA. Lol the crowd was in no way better than TI2 lmfao And cheating is important. I don't know why people blow it off like it's a "witch hunt". It doesn't necessarily matter which teams do it, but the fact that a lot of teams are capable of doing it and that it's very easy and that it has been done is the important thing. I can't really blame the players when they made it so damn easy. It's like putting a huge answer sheet on the side of the room and telling people not to cheat on a final that takes up 95% of your grade. This is S2, so I can't see an excuse as to how they weren't ready for this event, and unlike MLG dallas, there won't be another one for at least a year. It's a "witch hunt" because this is being unfairly directed at certain teams, when it's honestly highly likely that you'd find this evidence against every team. It kills the integrity of the whole event, but you honestly can't point the finger at just a few teams. Yes, of course, I'm just saying we shouldn't let it go and be okay with everyone doing it http://puu.sh/1cnqC
Booths and better stage setup please
Remeber that the broodwar hearing Ye audience issues happened when players were wearing in-ear headphones under noise isolating ones inside soundproof booths, the current setup just doesn't cut it. Though props for riot for using some sort of voice communication software that the players were happy with instead of the dota in game one that was medicore
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On October 08 2012 05:47 TheYango wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2012 05:43 BlackMagister wrote:
If TSM did cheat more than the Dyrus glance already mentioned it would have been caught by now. It just so happens there is more shady images of the Asian teams glancing unless you think fans consciously did not look for Western teams cheating or suppressed the images. Why would you look for damning evidence against your favorite team?
Because not everyone is a TSM fan and there were many people watching. Nor does being a fan mean you can't criticize them when they do things wrong.
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