EPTI am dissapointed with NA scene, TSM with nothing special dominate the scene for the last 6-8 months. I expect no NA team will reach the final four in the season 2 final.
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Caphe
Vietnam10817 Posts
I am dissapointed with NA scene, TSM with nothing special dominate the scene for the last 6-8 months. I expect no NA team will reach the final four in the season 2 final. | ||
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tobi9999
United States1966 Posts
On September 03 2012 10:24 GeorgeForeman wrote: I mean, I generally agree, but I don't think they talk any more/less shit than any other team. They just happen to be the only ones that win anything in NA. And I get where people can say Regi comes off as a douche, and apparently TONS of people have issues with Dyrus that just escape me, but I don't get a "douchebag" vibe from any of the other members. Chaox is cocky, but show me an athlete pro athlete who's not. Having followed every member of every pro-teams twitter, I think that TSM is far less douchey then some. For example, Chauster bashes TSM at least twice every week in his AMA, and everyone still has somewhat of a hardon for him lol. Apparently it's just him "being honest", but imo it's just appealing to TSM haters with confirmation bias. But then again, maybe if they were more douchey they would get more fans, sort of like an "Idra effect" so to speak where people think that being an asshole is cool. Either way, I'm probably not rooting for any NA teams, they honestly just don't seem as talented or consistent. If I had to predict S2 results right now I'd say that it'd be M5 -> Azubu -> TSM -> CLG.NA -> CLG.EU -> Dig. WE/iG etc don't seem as strong as people say, and neither does CLG.EU as indicated by SK 2-0ing them. I'm probably overestimating TSM and CLG.NA too, but tbh I've been proven time and time again that my opinions of the pro scene are wrong. | ||
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Jaso
United States2147 Posts
edit: also, there's no way CLG.EU is going to finish that low in the rankings for S2 finals. | ||
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Goragoth
New Zealand1065 Posts
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maliceee
United States634 Posts
On September 03 2012 10:37 tobi9999 wrote: Having followed every member of every pro-teams twitter, I think that TSM is far less douchey then some. For example, Chauster bashes TSM at least twice every week in his AMA, and everyone still has somewhat of a hardon for him lol. Apparently it's just him "being honest", but imo it's just appealing to TSM haters with confirmation bias. But then again, maybe if they were more douchey they would get more fans, sort of like an "Idra effect" so to speak where people think that being an asshole is cool. Either way, I'm probably not rooting for any NA teams, they honestly just don't seem as talented or consistent. If I had to predict S2 results right now I'd say that it'd be M5 -> Azubu -> TSM -> CLG.NA -> CLG.EU -> Dig. WE/iG etc don't seem as strong as people say, and neither does CLG.EU as indicated by SK 2-0ing them. I'm probably overestimating TSM and CLG.NA too, but tbh I've been proven time and time again that my opinions of the pro scene are wrong. chauster also at least twice a week talks about how good TSM is. Whether it's xspecial and chaox being the bot lane he thinks can beat he and DL, Regi being the best AP laner in NA, or Dyrus being the most versatile top lane. Regi doesn't do anything like that and just comes across as a straight douchebag. Chaox does the same thing. Xspecial fluctuates, he's more like Chauster. Dyrus and Oddone are pretty chill, but it doens't balance out the two jerks. | ||
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scarper65
1560 Posts
On September 03 2012 10:43 Goragoth wrote: Individually I like all of TSM except for Reginald but I do hope they grow up as a team a little going into season 3. The laugh/taunt spam by Dyrus during the finals was just downright unprofessional and annoying and I believe they are the only major team without a team uniform, which is kind of sad to see when they are the top NA team and frequently up on stage in front of the camera. Image is important if e-sports is to grow going into the future. I'm sure team uniforms are going to be a very important factor in the growth of e-sports. | ||
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GeorgeForeman
United States1746 Posts
On September 03 2012 10:43 Goragoth wrote: Individually I like all of TSM except for Reginald but I do hope they grow up as a team a little going into season 3. The laugh/taunt spam by Dyrus during the finals was just downright unprofessional and annoying and I believe they are the only major team without a team uniform, which is kind of sad to see when they are the top NA team and frequently up on stage in front of the camera. Image is important if e-sports is to grow going into the future. You're joking right? You're ePissed because they hit the "l" button? I can't fathom how that could bother you as a spectator. Do you shit bricks when SC2 pros have their units dance in the opponents base after a victory? There's plenty of things to criticize as "unprofessional" in the LoL scene if that's what you want to do, but laugh/taunt spamming? wtf? | ||
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drwiggl3s
Canada167 Posts
I think they don't keep a team uniform because they want to sell their t-shirts through their website. They have sponsors like twitch and recently razer, but they have largely been profitable through their own management (Reginald and dan dihn) through their website, youtube, streams etc. If you see in the finals today only chaox wore a razer hoodie. It would be cool though for them to get uniforms and open with them in the finals this october though. | ||
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Parnage
United States7414 Posts
On September 03 2012 10:43 Goragoth wrote: Individually I like all of TSM except for Reginald but I do hope they grow up as a team a little going into season 3. The laugh/taunt spam by Dyrus during the finals was just downright unprofessional and annoying and I believe they are the only major team without a team uniform, which is kind of sad to see when they are the top NA team and frequently up on stage in front of the camera. Image is important if e-sports is to grow going into the future. Manner MULES, Pylon hearts, Nuclear strikes, Infested command centers, Scouts, Proxy TownHalls(be it CC or Nexus), Motherships at one point, Dancing after winning a battle. These things they happen and are not nearly as big of a deal as you think they are. As far as a uniform, I might of missed one but was not TSM all wearing TSM shirts? Also feel free to youtube Firebathero's aftergame ceremonies now that's some real showboating. | ||
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Irave
United States9965 Posts
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Jaso
United States2147 Posts
On September 03 2012 10:52 GeorgeForeman wrote: You're joking right? You're ePissed because they hit the "l" button? I can't fathom how that could bother you as a spectator. Do you shit bricks when SC2 pros have their units dance in the opponents base after a victory? There's plenty of things to criticize as "unprofessional" in the LoL scene if that's what you want to do, but laugh/taunt spamming? wtf? It was pretty fucking annoying to me. It wasn't just the animation, it was the noise. Probes dancing around don't make noise. | ||
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Slaughter
United States20255 Posts
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kuntafame
United States43 Posts
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Dandel Ion
Austria17960 Posts
On September 03 2012 11:09 Slaughter wrote: I wonder if people on European LoL forums bitch as much about M5 (since aren't they also supposed to be 'arrogant and douchy'?) as people here are about TSM. TL is my "european LoL forum", so idunnolol. imo, only person on M5 with a slight attitude problem is gosupepper, but then again, listen to your average NA pro talk, and he's not really worse than that. | ||
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Goragoth
New Zealand1065 Posts
On September 03 2012 10:52 GeorgeForeman wrote: You're joking right? You're ePissed because they hit the "l" button? I can't fathom how that could bother you as a spectator. Do you shit bricks when SC2 pros have their units dance in the opponents base after a victory? There's plenty of things to criticize as "unprofessional" in the LoL scene if that's what you want to do, but laugh/taunt spamming? wtf? I found it annoying and at one point it was loud enough to make it difficult to understand the casters. Dunno, maybe I'm just a grumpy old man though. It's just a minor nitpick though, certainly nothing like the ARAM stunt that Curse/Dignitas pulled at MLG. On September 03 2012 10:55 Parnage wrote: Also feel free to youtube Firebathero's aftergame ceremonies now that's some real showboating. Oh I remember Firebathero's antics very well and I hated them then too. Can't fathom that some people actually found it entertaining. On September 03 2012 10:55 drwiggl3s wrote: ^ I think they don't keep a team uniform because they want to sell their t-shirts through their website. They have sponsors like twitch and recently razer, but they have largely been profitable through their own management (Reginald and dan dihn) through their website, youtube, streams etc. If you see in the finals today only chaox wore a razer hoodie. It would be cool though for them to get uniforms and open with them in the finals this october though. Ah, I didn't realize that they sell the shirts, that makes a lot of sense then. | ||
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Slaughter
United States20255 Posts
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Scip
Czech Republic11293 Posts
On September 03 2012 09:32 zulu_nation8 wrote: thats not the direct cause of why skarner got screwed over early though, it's the skarner + ryze combo vs shyv + morg, skarner is more vulnerable to counterjungling than most and with a morg who has blue lv1 and just keeps pushing he cant contest anything. Ryze is exceptionally bad at pushing though. Skarner wouldn't have nearly that many problems if they picked any of the other popular middle lanes (gragas, orianna). It's not like picking any of those mids would worsen the teamcomp in any significant way tbh. | ||
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GeorgeForeman
United States1746 Posts
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zulu_nation8
China26351 Posts
On September 03 2012 11:24 Scip wrote: Ryze is exceptionally bad at pushing though. Skarner wouldn't have nearly that many problems if they picked any of the other popular middle lanes (gragas, orianna). It's not like picking any of those mids would worsen the teamcomp in any significant way tbh. I agree but you could also make the case that nunu would've screwed with skarner even harder, it's no secret skarner is indeed vulnerable to counterjungling and early aggression, he is best counterganking. | ||
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Navi
5286 Posts
On September 03 2012 11:26 zulu_nation8 wrote: I agree but you could also make the case that nunu would've screwed with skarner even harder, it's no secret skarner is indeed vulnerable to counterjungling and early aggression, he is best counterganking. thats just as equally the AP pick at work though. its no secret that morg is a better pusher, ganker, and counterganker than ryze - if she is allowed to push and given heavier early jungle support (early blue) as she was of course her strength in the jungle will be greater than ryze's and thus her own jungler's strength in the enemy jungle | ||
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