EPTFor those that saw a decent amount of the matches, what's worth hunting down? I really enjoyed xPeke's games on Galio & AP Janna, and I'd like to see Orb's win over TSM.Evo.
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Haasts
New Zealand4445 Posts
For those that saw a decent amount of the matches, what's worth hunting down? I really enjoyed xPeke's games on Galio & AP Janna, and I'd like to see Orb's win over TSM.Evo. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On June 11 2012 17:30 Haasts wrote: Thanks for all the LR work on the finals, sounds about as exciting as it could have been with the full six matches. Hopefully there'll be some "best plays" VoD or something so I can see that Malphite ult into the baron pit. For those that saw a decent amount of the matches, what's worth hunting down? I really enjoyed xPeke's games on Galio & AP Janna, and I'd like to see Orb's win over TSM.Evo. If you want to watch good malphite (something that's not really in the current meta that often), look at clg.na's games with hazzard as malphite. seems to be really strong counter against jax. I forgot what game it was in the match, but it was clg vs dig, dlift did abnormal urgot build, but put it in pretty good effect. as far as unique interesting games those are the only ones i could think of. there wasn't too many mindblowing comps, just really solid play over all. also, why dlift no play ez more? 19-2 speaks for itself. | ||
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Haasts
New Zealand4445 Posts
On June 11 2012 17:54 wei2coolman wrote: I forgot what game it was in the match, but it was clg vs dig, dlift did abnormal urgot build, but put it in pretty good effect. I think I caught that game - I think his Urgot went Shurelya's Reverie/Ionian Boots of Lucidity/Bloodthirster rather than Bruta/Glacial? Did a lot of aggressive engaging by swapping someone behind a Jijinivia wall, especially a very unhappy Smite/Exhaust Mundo. | ||
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fishinguy
Russian Federation798 Posts
Lee Sin Shyvana Udyr Why did they fall off so quickly? Seems like they were replaced by naut, noc and mundo. | ||
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Kavas
Australia3421 Posts
On June 11 2012 18:53 fishinguy wrote: Looking through the stats, can anyone explain what happened to these popular junglers - Lee Sin Shyvana Udyr Why did they fall off so quickly? Seems like they were replaced by naut, noc and mundo. Lee Sin needs to snowball early or fall off. Not very tanky therefore not suitable for all comps and if you build tank then your damage is 0. Shyvana still see play but the pro concensus is Mundo does what she does, has a slightly weaker mid-game but completely outscales her late. Udyr - Jack of all trades, master of none. | ||
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Bill Murray
United States9292 Posts
i just got spoiled amazing | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
Shyvanna's nerfs hurt pretty hard, Mundo does everything she does, except with poke, and better durability. Udyr's jungle is just really meh, he has no hard gap closers, and his only CC requires getting into melee range w.o any hard engage. also single target cc that bear form offers really blows balls in late games (naut has hook, slow, and snare. Noc has hard gap closer with ulti, along w/ soft gap closer w/ his Q. mundo has poke/gap closer on his Q, and in combination with his R and CC reduction, he's pretty much got a hard gap closer). | ||
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triangle
United States3803 Posts
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Klive5ive
United Kingdom6056 Posts
On June 11 2012 15:43 tobi9999 wrote: You try shutting down Karthus who can just walk up to you and kill you when he has exhaust up. AD Nidalee isn't meant to do well, or even break even against casters. AD Nidalee is just there to completely crap on melee bruisers who can't deal with cougar form and push hard against champions with bad wave clear. If Hazzard tried to bully Regi post-6, he probably would've just been exhausted and killed. If Hazzard tried to do anything at all to Reginald pre-6 he would've instantly lost the lane since Reginald was pushing hard. He didn't get many creep kills as it was already. This is the key point. Made even stronger when you realise Nida was taking ARMOR items. The reason why the strat worked so well for TSM is that Karthus and Kayle are different damage types. If you don't take armor vs Kayle you get rocked. This put Nida in a really difficult situation. She took dorans shield first to help vs Kayle, only to be faced with Karthus. They tried to swap it round but TSM was having none of it. It was a very intelligent strategy from TSM and one I expect we will see lots of in the future. | ||
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StUfF
Australia1437 Posts
On June 11 2012 21:43 Klive5ive wrote: This is the key point. Made even stronger when you realise Nida was taking ARMOR items. The reason why the strat worked so well for TSM is that Karthus and Kayle are different damage types. If you don't take armor vs Kayle you get rocked. This put Nida in a really difficult situation. She took dorans shield first to help vs Kayle, only to be faced with Karthus. They tried to swap it round but TSM was having none of it. It was a very intelligent strategy from TSM and one I expect we will see lots of in the future. I think aggressive top Karthus only worked because of HotShotGG. He got heavily counterjungled early and then tried to fight Nocturne at their blue at level 1 , he had to bluepill with only killing red lizard I think? Karthus got FB off nidalee at 2 minutes or something so he was very strong lvl 1 with almost no chance to be ganked (not that HSGG even tried). | ||
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GeorgeForeman
United States1746 Posts
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Mogwai
United States13274 Posts
On June 12 2012 00:42 GeorgeForeman wrote: Interestingly, Graves, Corki, Kog, and Ashe ALL had sub-50% winning percentages for this tournament. Meanwhile, Ez and Trist really shown, with a .727 winrate on Ez (11 games) and .667 winrate on Trist (9 games). Does this mean teams need to shift their mindset about AD carries? Correlation and causality are two different things. I'm mostly of the opinion that the ranged AD you select is ultimately the least important role decision on your entire team. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On June 12 2012 00:49 Mogwai wrote: Correlation and causality are two different things. I'm mostly of the opinion that the ranged AD you select is ultimately the least important role decision on your entire team. Unless it's Urgot. As far as trist and ez go, not enough data from this tournament, but if I was to guess as to why there was such a high winrate, it would have to do w/ graves being short ranged. | ||
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Klive5ive
United Kingdom6056 Posts
On June 12 2012 02:59 wei2coolman wrote: Unless it's Urgot. As far as trist and ez go, not enough data from this tournament, but if I was to guess as to why there was such a high winrate, it would have to do w/ graves being short ranged. The sample size is way too small to take any information from. The only thing that you can say is that lots of AD carries are being selected, and that's a really good thing. | ||
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BlackPaladin
United States9316 Posts
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overt
United States9006 Posts
On June 12 2012 00:49 Mogwai wrote: Correlation and causality are two different things. I'm mostly of the opinion that the ranged AD you select is ultimately the least important role decision on your entire team. All it really means is something everyone already knew, every single ranged AD carry is viable. I don't think I'd credit Ez/Trist doing well to anything in particular but I think it's very likely that at least part of it is because they're underplayed and thus people very likely underestimate them or don't anticipate them to do specific things. Whereas right now every competitive player has what Graves or Kog or Corki does very fresh in their mind considering that those three have been really viable and highly played for months. Also, on the subject of AD carries, after seeing him do phenomenal at MLG and IPL4 while doing really solid at Korea The Champions I am now fully willing to say that Doublelift/Chauster are easily the best AD/support combo in NA. For awhile I felt like their lane phase was the best but that Chaox and others had stronger mid/late games than DL. However after three very impressive tournament showings in a row I can't deny it anymore. Doublelift is no longer a weak AD during mid/late game, he's a monster. He and Chauster are carrying CLG atm in my opinion. + Show Spoiler + edit: Just to clarify, by 'carrying' I'm just using hyperbole to say that those two are by far the most consistent and best players CLGna has right now. jiji is really solid too. But I don't think we've seen enough of CLG Voyboy yet to know how well he's gonna adapt to his new team and while Hotshot looked incredible and surprised everyone in the jungle one good tournament isn't concrete proof that he's a good jungler imo. Doublelift having a good game is synonymous with CLG winning games and it has been that way ever since IPL4. | ||
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SidianTheBard
United States2474 Posts
On June 11 2012 18:53 fishinguy wrote: Looking through the stats, can anyone explain what happened to these popular junglers - Lee Sin Shyvana Udyr Why did they fall off so quickly? Seems like they were replaced by naut, noc and mundo. It's because M5 wasn't there so Lee Sin couldn't dominate. (Both Darien and Diamondprox are gods on Lee sin) Also I swear it's usually only Saint Vicous that plays Shyvana and Udyr. Usually it's all nocturnes and mundos. | ||
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spinesheath
Germany8679 Posts
On June 12 2012 00:49 Mogwai wrote: Correlation and causality are two different things. I'm mostly of the opinion that the ranged AD you select is ultimately the least important role decision on your entire team. The most important factor for choosing your AD is: Can you farm well enough in this situation? Once you're farmed... it doesn't matter who you are. | ||
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Mogwai
United States13274 Posts
On June 12 2012 03:38 spinesheath wrote: The most important factor for choosing your AD is: Can you farm well enough in this situation? Once you're farmed... it doesn't matter who you are. well, your ranged AD pick is still important, but ultimately, all their damage levels and the safety their range provide are functionally similar enough that the other members of your team are more important for dictating the flow of teamfights. IMO @ least. it's really interesting thinking about my opinions on these matters because I think that the ranged AD becomes the most important member of a team too early in the game and that they're too strong right now, but I also think that which ranged AD you pick is the least important of your picks. | ||
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overt
United States9006 Posts
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