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On June 11 2012 14:32 tobi9999 wrote:
where can I find the vods for finals ? D:
Go to the stream and rewind the stream until you hit the point you want. The stream is the VoD player.
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On June 11 2012 14:34 Lmui wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2012 14:32 tobi9999 wrote:
where can I find the vods for finals ? D: Go to the stream and rewind the stream until you hit the point you want. The stream is the VoD player.
thanks
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On June 11 2012 14:30 Alzadar wrote:
Is Dyrus' Vladimir that scary that it justifies leaving Reginald Karthus open every single game?
i personally dont believe its regis karth thats scary, but the combo with the kayle and noc. those noc karth ganks bot pretty much won them the tourney
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On June 11 2012 14:30 Alzadar wrote:
Is Dyrus' Vladimir that scary that it justifies leaving Reginald Karthus open every single game?
Hazzard probably didn't have the practice/champion selection to play vs Vlad.
Though Karthus pretty much outfarmed JiJi, and HSGG couldn't help mid lane at all - CLG has always been bad at banning/picking, especially switching it up or adapting to champs mid series (see refusal to ban maokai,lulu,vlad in previous tournaments).
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On June 11 2012 14:41 StUfF wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2012 14:30 Alzadar wrote:
Is Dyrus' Vladimir that scary that it justifies leaving Reginald Karthus open every single game? Hazzard probably didn't have the practice/champion selection to play vs Vlad. Though Karthus pretty much outfarmed JiJi, and HSGG couldn't help mid lane at all - CLG has always been bad at banning/picking, especially switching it up or adapting to champs mid series (see refusal to ban maokai,lulu,vlad in previous tournaments).
He mains top lane and doesn't have any practice against Vladimir?
I mean, I'm pretty sure Nidalee (which I got the impression is his main top) crushes Vladimir. Although I would have thought Nidalee crushes Karthus too...
On June 11 2012 14:38 Owned Noob wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2012 14:30 Alzadar wrote:
Is Dyrus' Vladimir that scary that it justifies leaving Reginald Karthus open every single game? i personally dont believe its regis karth thats scary, but the combo with the kayle and noc. those noc karth ganks bot pretty much won them the tourney
I agree, but Karthus is what brings the combo together I think. No other mid (except TF) offers the same presence that Karthus does.
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On June 11 2012 14:43 Alzadar wrote:
He mains top lane and doesn't have any practice against Vladimir?
He's a sub they just picked up and primarily a solo q player to my knowledge. There was a limited amount of practice they could get (non-solo Q) it and it's very likely they decided before the tournament started they were going to ban out Vladamir and told him to just not practice that match up. Too bad Dyrus has picked up some new champions already? They didn't really have any answers to Kayle other than to 2v1 him and didn't ban him out either.
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On June 11 2012 14:43 Alzadar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2012 14:41 StUfF wrote:On June 11 2012 14:30 Alzadar wrote:
Is Dyrus' Vladimir that scary that it justifies leaving Reginald Karthus open every single game? Hazzard probably didn't have the practice/champion selection to play vs Vlad. Though Karthus pretty much outfarmed JiJi, and HSGG couldn't help mid lane at all - CLG has always been bad at banning/picking, especially switching it up or adapting to champs mid series (see refusal to ban maokai,lulu,vlad in previous tournaments). He mains top lane and doesn't have any practice against Vladimir? I mean, I'm pretty sure Nidalee (which I got the impression is his main top) crushes Vladimir. Although I would have thought Nidalee crushes Karthus too... Show nested quote +On June 11 2012 14:38 Owned Noob wrote:On June 11 2012 14:30 Alzadar wrote:
Is Dyrus' Vladimir that scary that it justifies leaving Reginald Karthus open every single game? i personally dont believe its regis karth thats scary, but the combo with the kayle and noc. those noc karth ganks bot pretty much won them the tourney I agree, but Karthus is what brings the combo together I think. No other mid (except TF) offers the same presence that Karthus does.
I was under teh impression that Hazzard mained Malphite the way he played him. Dat Malph was the strongest Malph I've seen in pro games in a LONG time.
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On June 11 2012 14:43 Alzadar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2012 14:41 StUfF wrote:On June 11 2012 14:30 Alzadar wrote:
Is Dyrus' Vladimir that scary that it justifies leaving Reginald Karthus open every single game? Hazzard probably didn't have the practice/champion selection to play vs Vlad. Though Karthus pretty much outfarmed JiJi, and HSGG couldn't help mid lane at all - CLG has always been bad at banning/picking, especially switching it up or adapting to champs mid series (see refusal to ban maokai,lulu,vlad in previous tournaments). He mains top lane and doesn't have any practice against Vladimir? I mean, I'm pretty sure Nidalee (which I got the impression is his main top) crushes Vladimir. Although I would have thought Nidalee crushes Karthus too... Show nested quote +On June 11 2012 14:38 Owned Noob wrote:On June 11 2012 14:30 Alzadar wrote:
Is Dyrus' Vladimir that scary that it justifies leaving Reginald Karthus open every single game? i personally dont believe its regis karth thats scary, but the combo with the kayle and noc. those noc karth ganks bot pretty much won them the tourney I agree, but Karthus is what brings the combo together I think. No other mid (except TF) offers the same presence that Karthus does.
Practice against competitive vladimir and solo-Q vlad is different. An interesting fact is Voyboy does decent vlad in solo Q but always die 1 v 1 as vlad in scrims. So you really need to find a good, competitive vlad to practice with.
Nidalee can't do anything to prevent Karthus from farming. no idea why people think nidalee beats karthus.
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On June 11 2012 15:05 Kavas wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2012 14:43 Alzadar wrote:On June 11 2012 14:41 StUfF wrote:On June 11 2012 14:30 Alzadar wrote:
Is Dyrus' Vladimir that scary that it justifies leaving Reginald Karthus open every single game? Hazzard probably didn't have the practice/champion selection to play vs Vlad. Though Karthus pretty much outfarmed JiJi, and HSGG couldn't help mid lane at all - CLG has always been bad at banning/picking, especially switching it up or adapting to champs mid series (see refusal to ban maokai,lulu,vlad in previous tournaments). He mains top lane and doesn't have any practice against Vladimir? I mean, I'm pretty sure Nidalee (which I got the impression is his main top) crushes Vladimir. Although I would have thought Nidalee crushes Karthus too... On June 11 2012 14:38 Owned Noob wrote:On June 11 2012 14:30 Alzadar wrote:
Is Dyrus' Vladimir that scary that it justifies leaving Reginald Karthus open every single game? i personally dont believe its regis karth thats scary, but the combo with the kayle and noc. those noc karth ganks bot pretty much won them the tourney I agree, but Karthus is what brings the combo together I think. No other mid (except TF) offers the same presence that Karthus does. Practice against competitive vladimir and solo-Q vlad is different. An interesting fact is Voyboy does decent vlad in solo Q but always die 1 v 1 as vlad in scrims. So you really need to find a good, competitive vlad to practice with. Nidalee can't do anything to prevent Karthus from farming. no idea why people think nidalee beats karthus.
Karthus didn't just farm tho, Regi was actively pressuring Hazzard and came out with a fairly large cs advantage.
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On June 11 2012 14:30 Alzadar wrote:
Is Dyrus' Vladimir that scary that it justifies leaving Reginald Karthus open every single game?
Well Dig specifically picked Akali to counter Vlad and they lost to it. Possibly because TOO not Dyrus I forget, but all the same.
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On June 11 2012 15:05 Kavas wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2012 14:43 Alzadar wrote:On June 11 2012 14:41 StUfF wrote:On June 11 2012 14:30 Alzadar wrote:
Is Dyrus' Vladimir that scary that it justifies leaving Reginald Karthus open every single game? Hazzard probably didn't have the practice/champion selection to play vs Vlad. Though Karthus pretty much outfarmed JiJi, and HSGG couldn't help mid lane at all - CLG has always been bad at banning/picking, especially switching it up or adapting to champs mid series (see refusal to ban maokai,lulu,vlad in previous tournaments). He mains top lane and doesn't have any practice against Vladimir? I mean, I'm pretty sure Nidalee (which I got the impression is his main top) crushes Vladimir. Although I would have thought Nidalee crushes Karthus too... On June 11 2012 14:38 Owned Noob wrote:On June 11 2012 14:30 Alzadar wrote:
Is Dyrus' Vladimir that scary that it justifies leaving Reginald Karthus open every single game? i personally dont believe its regis karth thats scary, but the combo with the kayle and noc. those noc karth ganks bot pretty much won them the tourney I agree, but Karthus is what brings the combo together I think. No other mid (except TF) offers the same presence that Karthus does. Practice against competitive vladimir and solo-Q vlad is different. An interesting fact is Voyboy does decent vlad in solo Q but always die 1 v 1 as vlad in scrims. So you really need to find a good, competitive vlad to practice with. Nidalee can't do anything to prevent Karthus from farming. no idea why people think nidalee beats karthus.
How do you figure? Nidalee auto attacks will harass him a bit early on, and then once she has cougar I feel she has massive kill threat on Karthus. He can't reliably land Qs against Nidealee leap, E is no damage early game, and Nidalee can easily jump out + heal herself after killing him. Karthus' only redeeming quality in the match-up is Wall of Pain, but with Nidalee being somewhat slow-immune and the 18 sec CD on Wall, it's not much.
Like there were a few times where Nidalee had the river warded and Karthus was well past the middle of lane with sub 200 mana. All-in his ass! Nidalee can easily kill Karthus and get out safely in that scenario, he was playing incredibly passive it seemed. Nidalee spent a lot of time sitting back, farming under tower and being hit by free Qs.
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On June 11 2012 15:05 Kavas wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2012 14:43 Alzadar wrote:On June 11 2012 14:41 StUfF wrote:On June 11 2012 14:30 Alzadar wrote:
Is Dyrus' Vladimir that scary that it justifies leaving Reginald Karthus open every single game? Hazzard probably didn't have the practice/champion selection to play vs Vlad. Though Karthus pretty much outfarmed JiJi, and HSGG couldn't help mid lane at all - CLG has always been bad at banning/picking, especially switching it up or adapting to champs mid series (see refusal to ban maokai,lulu,vlad in previous tournaments). He mains top lane and doesn't have any practice against Vladimir? I mean, I'm pretty sure Nidalee (which I got the impression is his main top) crushes Vladimir. Although I would have thought Nidalee crushes Karthus too... On June 11 2012 14:38 Owned Noob wrote:On June 11 2012 14:30 Alzadar wrote:
Is Dyrus' Vladimir that scary that it justifies leaving Reginald Karthus open every single game? i personally dont believe its regis karth thats scary, but the combo with the kayle and noc. those noc karth ganks bot pretty much won them the tourney I agree, but Karthus is what brings the combo together I think. No other mid (except TF) offers the same presence that Karthus does. Practice against competitive vladimir and solo-Q vlad is different. An interesting fact is Voyboy does decent vlad in solo Q but always die 1 v 1 as vlad in scrims. So you really need to find a good, competitive vlad to practice with. Nidalee can't do anything to prevent Karthus from farming. no idea why people think nidalee beats karthus.
I'd just like to say that I think that Chauster's Vlad is better than Dyrus's so that shouldn't be a problem
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On June 11 2012 15:09 StUfF wrote:
Karthus didn't just farm tho, Regi was actively pressuring Hazzard and came out with a fairly large cs advantage.
Difference when one guy gets blue buff and the other doesn't.
On June 11 2012 15:13 Alzadar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2012 15:05 Kavas wrote:On June 11 2012 14:43 Alzadar wrote:On June 11 2012 14:41 StUfF wrote:On June 11 2012 14:30 Alzadar wrote:
Is Dyrus' Vladimir that scary that it justifies leaving Reginald Karthus open every single game? Hazzard probably didn't have the practice/champion selection to play vs Vlad. Though Karthus pretty much outfarmed JiJi, and HSGG couldn't help mid lane at all - CLG has always been bad at banning/picking, especially switching it up or adapting to champs mid series (see refusal to ban maokai,lulu,vlad in previous tournaments). He mains top lane and doesn't have any practice against Vladimir? I mean, I'm pretty sure Nidalee (which I got the impression is his main top) crushes Vladimir. Although I would have thought Nidalee crushes Karthus too... On June 11 2012 14:38 Owned Noob wrote:On June 11 2012 14:30 Alzadar wrote:
Is Dyrus' Vladimir that scary that it justifies leaving Reginald Karthus open every single game? i personally dont believe its regis karth thats scary, but the combo with the kayle and noc. those noc karth ganks bot pretty much won them the tourney I agree, but Karthus is what brings the combo together I think. No other mid (except TF) offers the same presence that Karthus does. Practice against competitive vladimir and solo-Q vlad is different. An interesting fact is Voyboy does decent vlad in solo Q but always die 1 v 1 as vlad in scrims. So you really need to find a good, competitive vlad to practice with. Nidalee can't do anything to prevent Karthus from farming. no idea why people think nidalee beats karthus. How do you figure? Nidalee auto attacks will harass him a bit early on, and then once she has cougar I feel she has massive kill threat on Karthus. He can't reliably land Qs against Nidealee leap, E is no damage early game, and Nidalee can easily jump out + heal herself after killing him. Karthus' only redeeming quality in the match-up is Wall of Pain, but with Nidalee being somewhat slow-immune and the 18 sec CD on Wall, it's not much. Like there were a few times where Nidalee had the river warded and Karthus was well past the middle of lane with sub 200 mana. All-in his ass! Nidalee can easily kill Karthus and get out safely in that scenario, he was playing incredibly passive it seemed. Nidalee spent a lot of time sitting back, farming under tower and being hit by free Qs.
Nidalee can't auto attack harass because Karthus Q has larger range and therefore if he will have to eat Q and creep damage in return and get outtraded. By level 6 a Q on a 1 on 1 situation easily does over 100 damage, coupled with exhaust and WoP you will be slowed like crazy.
By the time nidalee is 6 she also has to beware of nocturne ulti and situations of 2 v 1; ward doesn't help against nocturne unless they're deep.
Let's not forget Regi got FB on nidalee and he had to miss cs top because he had to help Hotshot against the Red invade.
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On June 11 2012 15:24 Kavas wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2012 15:09 StUfF wrote:
Karthus didn't just farm tho, Regi was actively pressuring Hazzard and came out with a fairly large cs advantage.
Difference when one guy gets blue buff and the other doesn't. Show nested quote +On June 11 2012 15:13 Alzadar wrote:On June 11 2012 15:05 Kavas wrote:On June 11 2012 14:43 Alzadar wrote:On June 11 2012 14:41 StUfF wrote:On June 11 2012 14:30 Alzadar wrote:
Is Dyrus' Vladimir that scary that it justifies leaving Reginald Karthus open every single game? Hazzard probably didn't have the practice/champion selection to play vs Vlad. Though Karthus pretty much outfarmed JiJi, and HSGG couldn't help mid lane at all - CLG has always been bad at banning/picking, especially switching it up or adapting to champs mid series (see refusal to ban maokai,lulu,vlad in previous tournaments). He mains top lane and doesn't have any practice against Vladimir? I mean, I'm pretty sure Nidalee (which I got the impression is his main top) crushes Vladimir. Although I would have thought Nidalee crushes Karthus too... On June 11 2012 14:38 Owned Noob wrote:On June 11 2012 14:30 Alzadar wrote:
Is Dyrus' Vladimir that scary that it justifies leaving Reginald Karthus open every single game? i personally dont believe its regis karth thats scary, but the combo with the kayle and noc. those noc karth ganks bot pretty much won them the tourney I agree, but Karthus is what brings the combo together I think. No other mid (except TF) offers the same presence that Karthus does. Practice against competitive vladimir and solo-Q vlad is different. An interesting fact is Voyboy does decent vlad in solo Q but always die 1 v 1 as vlad in scrims. So you really need to find a good, competitive vlad to practice with. Nidalee can't do anything to prevent Karthus from farming. no idea why people think nidalee beats karthus. How do you figure? Nidalee auto attacks will harass him a bit early on, and then once she has cougar I feel she has massive kill threat on Karthus. He can't reliably land Qs against Nidealee leap, E is no damage early game, and Nidalee can easily jump out + heal herself after killing him. Karthus' only redeeming quality in the match-up is Wall of Pain, but with Nidalee being somewhat slow-immune and the 18 sec CD on Wall, it's not much. Like there were a few times where Nidalee had the river warded and Karthus was well past the middle of lane with sub 200 mana. All-in his ass! Nidalee can easily kill Karthus and get out safely in that scenario, he was playing incredibly passive it seemed. Nidalee spent a lot of time sitting back, farming under tower and being hit by free Qs. Nidalee can't auto attack harass because Karthus Q has larger range and therefore if he will have to eat Q and creep damage in return and get outtraded. By level 6 a Q on a 1 on 1 situation easily does over 100 damage, coupled with exhaust and WoP you will be slowed like crazy. By the time nidalee is 6 she also has to beware of nocturne ulti and situations of 2 v 1; ward doesn't help against nocturne unless they're deep. Let's not forget Regi got FB on nidalee and he had to miss cs top because he had to help Hotshot against the Red invade.
Nidalee really doesn't need blue buff, that wouldn't really be a factor.
I think you underestimate how hard it is to land Lay Waste without a slow, especially against Nidalee, who is blindingly fast when juking in and out of the lane bushes. Did you watch Game 2? Nidalee has no fear of creep aggro.
Karthus did have a few things going for him early game, but I think the match-up should be lopsided enough for it not to matter. On top of it all Nocturne was most frequently bottom lane, leaving Nidalee free to go deep without fear of a gank.
I guess arguing won't make CLG win, but I really feel that with the Noctune/Karthus combo shuttng down bottom lane and Kassadin being pretty countered mid lane by Kayle, Nidalee really needed to milk every advantage she could top lane, but she didn't even break even. An unfortunate end to a very well played tournament by Hazzard.
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On June 11 2012 15:33 Alzadar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2012 15:24 Kavas wrote:On June 11 2012 15:09 StUfF wrote:
Karthus didn't just farm tho, Regi was actively pressuring Hazzard and came out with a fairly large cs advantage.
Difference when one guy gets blue buff and the other doesn't. On June 11 2012 15:13 Alzadar wrote:On June 11 2012 15:05 Kavas wrote:On June 11 2012 14:43 Alzadar wrote:On June 11 2012 14:41 StUfF wrote:On June 11 2012 14:30 Alzadar wrote:
Is Dyrus' Vladimir that scary that it justifies leaving Reginald Karthus open every single game? Hazzard probably didn't have the practice/champion selection to play vs Vlad. Though Karthus pretty much outfarmed JiJi, and HSGG couldn't help mid lane at all - CLG has always been bad at banning/picking, especially switching it up or adapting to champs mid series (see refusal to ban maokai,lulu,vlad in previous tournaments). He mains top lane and doesn't have any practice against Vladimir? I mean, I'm pretty sure Nidalee (which I got the impression is his main top) crushes Vladimir. Although I would have thought Nidalee crushes Karthus too... On June 11 2012 14:38 Owned Noob wrote:On June 11 2012 14:30 Alzadar wrote:
Is Dyrus' Vladimir that scary that it justifies leaving Reginald Karthus open every single game? i personally dont believe its regis karth thats scary, but the combo with the kayle and noc. those noc karth ganks bot pretty much won them the tourney I agree, but Karthus is what brings the combo together I think. No other mid (except TF) offers the same presence that Karthus does. Practice against competitive vladimir and solo-Q vlad is different. An interesting fact is Voyboy does decent vlad in solo Q but always die 1 v 1 as vlad in scrims. So you really need to find a good, competitive vlad to practice with. Nidalee can't do anything to prevent Karthus from farming. no idea why people think nidalee beats karthus. How do you figure? Nidalee auto attacks will harass him a bit early on, and then once she has cougar I feel she has massive kill threat on Karthus. He can't reliably land Qs against Nidealee leap, E is no damage early game, and Nidalee can easily jump out + heal herself after killing him. Karthus' only redeeming quality in the match-up is Wall of Pain, but with Nidalee being somewhat slow-immune and the 18 sec CD on Wall, it's not much. Like there were a few times where Nidalee had the river warded and Karthus was well past the middle of lane with sub 200 mana. All-in his ass! Nidalee can easily kill Karthus and get out safely in that scenario, he was playing incredibly passive it seemed. Nidalee spent a lot of time sitting back, farming under tower and being hit by free Qs. Nidalee can't auto attack harass because Karthus Q has larger range and therefore if he will have to eat Q and creep damage in return and get outtraded. By level 6 a Q on a 1 on 1 situation easily does over 100 damage, coupled with exhaust and WoP you will be slowed like crazy. By the time nidalee is 6 she also has to beware of nocturne ulti and situations of 2 v 1; ward doesn't help against nocturne unless they're deep. Let's not forget Regi got FB on nidalee and he had to miss cs top because he had to help Hotshot against the Red invade. Nidalee really doesn't need blue buff, that wouldn't really be a factor. I think you underestimate how hard it is to land Lay Waste without a slow, especially against Nidalee, who is blindingly fast when juking in and out of the lane bushes. Did you watch Game 2? Nidalee has no fear of creep aggro. Karthus did have a few things going for him early game, but I think the match-up should be lopsided enough for it not to matter. On top of it all Nocturne was most frequently bottom lane, leaving Nidalee free to go deep without fear of a gank. I guess arguing won't make CLG win, but I really feel that with the Noctune/Karthus combo shuttng down bottom lane and Kassadin being pretty countered mid lane by Kayle, Nidalee really needed to milk every advantage she could top lane, but she didn't even break even. An unfortunate end to a very well played tournament by Hazzard.
You try shutting down Karthus who can just walk up to you and kill you when he has exhaust up. AD Nidalee isn't meant to do well, or even break even against casters. AD Nidalee is just there to completely crap on melee bruisers who can't deal with cougar form and push hard against champions with bad wave clear. If Hazzard tried to bully Regi post-6, he probably would've just been exhausted and killed. If Hazzard tried to do anything at all to Reginald pre-6 he would've instantly lost the lane since Reginald was pushing hard. He didn't get many creep kills as it was already.
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On June 11 2012 15:43 tobi9999 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2012 15:33 Alzadar wrote:On June 11 2012 15:24 Kavas wrote:On June 11 2012 15:09 StUfF wrote:
Karthus didn't just farm tho, Regi was actively pressuring Hazzard and came out with a fairly large cs advantage.
Difference when one guy gets blue buff and the other doesn't. On June 11 2012 15:13 Alzadar wrote:On June 11 2012 15:05 Kavas wrote:On June 11 2012 14:43 Alzadar wrote:On June 11 2012 14:41 StUfF wrote:On June 11 2012 14:30 Alzadar wrote:
Is Dyrus' Vladimir that scary that it justifies leaving Reginald Karthus open every single game? Hazzard probably didn't have the practice/champion selection to play vs Vlad. Though Karthus pretty much outfarmed JiJi, and HSGG couldn't help mid lane at all - CLG has always been bad at banning/picking, especially switching it up or adapting to champs mid series (see refusal to ban maokai,lulu,vlad in previous tournaments). He mains top lane and doesn't have any practice against Vladimir? I mean, I'm pretty sure Nidalee (which I got the impression is his main top) crushes Vladimir. Although I would have thought Nidalee crushes Karthus too... On June 11 2012 14:38 Owned Noob wrote:On June 11 2012 14:30 Alzadar wrote:
Is Dyrus' Vladimir that scary that it justifies leaving Reginald Karthus open every single game? i personally dont believe its regis karth thats scary, but the combo with the kayle and noc. those noc karth ganks bot pretty much won them the tourney I agree, but Karthus is what brings the combo together I think. No other mid (except TF) offers the same presence that Karthus does. Practice against competitive vladimir and solo-Q vlad is different. An interesting fact is Voyboy does decent vlad in solo Q but always die 1 v 1 as vlad in scrims. So you really need to find a good, competitive vlad to practice with. Nidalee can't do anything to prevent Karthus from farming. no idea why people think nidalee beats karthus. How do you figure? Nidalee auto attacks will harass him a bit early on, and then once she has cougar I feel she has massive kill threat on Karthus. He can't reliably land Qs against Nidealee leap, E is no damage early game, and Nidalee can easily jump out + heal herself after killing him. Karthus' only redeeming quality in the match-up is Wall of Pain, but with Nidalee being somewhat slow-immune and the 18 sec CD on Wall, it's not much. Like there were a few times where Nidalee had the river warded and Karthus was well past the middle of lane with sub 200 mana. All-in his ass! Nidalee can easily kill Karthus and get out safely in that scenario, he was playing incredibly passive it seemed. Nidalee spent a lot of time sitting back, farming under tower and being hit by free Qs. Nidalee can't auto attack harass because Karthus Q has larger range and therefore if he will have to eat Q and creep damage in return and get outtraded. By level 6 a Q on a 1 on 1 situation easily does over 100 damage, coupled with exhaust and WoP you will be slowed like crazy. By the time nidalee is 6 she also has to beware of nocturne ulti and situations of 2 v 1; ward doesn't help against nocturne unless they're deep. Let's not forget Regi got FB on nidalee and he had to miss cs top because he had to help Hotshot against the Red invade. Nidalee really doesn't need blue buff, that wouldn't really be a factor. I think you underestimate how hard it is to land Lay Waste without a slow, especially against Nidalee, who is blindingly fast when juking in and out of the lane bushes. Did you watch Game 2? Nidalee has no fear of creep aggro. Karthus did have a few things going for him early game, but I think the match-up should be lopsided enough for it not to matter. On top of it all Nocturne was most frequently bottom lane, leaving Nidalee free to go deep without fear of a gank. I guess arguing won't make CLG win, but I really feel that with the Noctune/Karthus combo shuttng down bottom lane and Kassadin being pretty countered mid lane by Kayle, Nidalee really needed to milk every advantage she could top lane, but she didn't even break even. An unfortunate end to a very well played tournament by Hazzard. You try shutting down Karthus who can just walk up to you and kill you when he has exhaust up. AD Nidalee isn't meant to do well, or even break even against casters. AD Nidalee is just there to completely crap on melee bruisers who can't deal with cougar form and push hard against champions with bad wave clear. If Hazzard tried to bully Regi post-6, he probably would've just been exhausted and killed. If Hazzard tried to do anything at all to Reginald pre-6 he would've instantly lost the lane since Reginald was pushing hard. He didn't get many creep kills as it was already.
I mean, I would obviously lose to Reginald Karthus. But I'm pretty confident I could beat a Karthus at my own skill level as Nidalee, and by a large margin. Good use of Pounce can greatly minimize Karthus damage, and Nidalee's burst is HUGE in the 6-10 level range.
Hazzard was simply being hit by too many Qs for the entire game, from the very start where he ate every single one to give the first blood and all through the laning phase and after. I had just spent the entire day watching other players juke the hell out of Reginald with much less mobile champions, so it was kind of disappointing.
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On June 11 2012 15:11 BlackMagister wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2012 14:30 Alzadar wrote:
Is Dyrus' Vladimir that scary that it justifies leaving Reginald Karthus open every single game? Well Dig specifically picked Akali to counter Vlad and they lost to it. Possibly because TOO not Dyrus I forget, but all the same.
Yes it was to Dyrus, I think if Akali had been runed(he had to get a dblade for his passive) correctly things could have turned out alot different.
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Im sorry but what Kathussus (karthusi?) do you play against when you say you can get close enough to Q + E ...
Karthus can farm at a pretty damn long range and theres no need for him to ever step forward against a mid nidalee.
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On June 11 2012 14:16 PepperoniPiZZa wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2012 14:04 Zooper31 wrote:On June 11 2012 14:03 Shikyo wrote:On June 11 2012 14:02 PepperoniPiZZa wrote:On June 11 2012 13:51 overt wrote:On June 11 2012 13:50 maliceee wrote:On June 11 2012 13:48 GreenManalishi wrote:
That's game =/
I blame it on the terrible scheduling from MLG. Needed to redistribute games more evenly over the whole weekend. seriously? wth are you talking about. awesome steal by gg He's trying to say that CLG is tired from playing twice as many games as TSM today since they came from loser's bracket. Not a valid excuse if CLG loses but pretty huge bragging rights if they win. I think being forced to go through the losers bracket is punishment enough for dropping out of the winners bracket. TSM can mess up 3 out of the first 4 games while CLG was only able to mess up one out of their first 3 games. They should just make the grand final a bo5. Definition of double elimination : Lose 2 sets to drop out of the tournament. You might disagree with the choice to use double elimination, but double elimination is double elimination. What do you think the name comes from? Agreed. It's like saying that TSM deserves no adv or any kind of reward for never losing a set once all tournament, is that not worthy of anything? Of course it's worth something, TSM entered the finals with much more stamina. I'd love to take a look at the statistics, I wouldn't be surprised if players/teams that reach a grand final through the winner bracket end up winning much more than 50% of the time.
Elobuff is actually providing the MLG stats for free: https://elobuff.com/events/2012-mlg-anaheim
Interesting that CLG.na faced almost all of the 'top' teams (missed Dynamic and SK)
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On June 11 2012 16:55 Pinith wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2012 14:16 PepperoniPiZZa wrote:On June 11 2012 14:04 Zooper31 wrote:On June 11 2012 14:03 Shikyo wrote:On June 11 2012 14:02 PepperoniPiZZa wrote:On June 11 2012 13:51 overt wrote:On June 11 2012 13:50 maliceee wrote:On June 11 2012 13:48 GreenManalishi wrote:
That's game =/
I blame it on the terrible scheduling from MLG. Needed to redistribute games more evenly over the whole weekend. seriously? wth are you talking about. awesome steal by gg He's trying to say that CLG is tired from playing twice as many games as TSM today since they came from loser's bracket. Not a valid excuse if CLG loses but pretty huge bragging rights if they win. I think being forced to go through the losers bracket is punishment enough for dropping out of the winners bracket. TSM can mess up 3 out of the first 4 games while CLG was only able to mess up one out of their first 3 games. They should just make the grand final a bo5. Definition of double elimination : Lose 2 sets to drop out of the tournament. You might disagree with the choice to use double elimination, but double elimination is double elimination. What do you think the name comes from? Agreed. It's like saying that TSM deserves no adv or any kind of reward for never losing a set once all tournament, is that not worthy of anything? Of course it's worth something, TSM entered the finals with much more stamina. I'd love to take a look at the statistics, I wouldn't be surprised if players/teams that reach a grand final through the winner bracket end up winning much more than 50% of the time. Elobuff is actually providing the MLG stats for free: https://elobuff.com/events/2012-mlg-anaheimInteresting that CLG.na faced almost all of the 'top' teams (missed Dynamic and SK)
according to that site, Anivia had a total of 8 seconds spent dead that entire tourney. OP
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