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Parnage
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States7414 Posts
June 11 2012 05:04 GMT
#3161
Goood, good. Everything has fallen into place. As I hoped it would.

TSM, have really improved themselves but still we have so much more to look forward to.
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Chiharu Harukaze
Profile Joined September 2011
12112 Posts
June 11 2012 05:04 GMT
#3162
On June 11 2012 14:02 BlackMagister wrote:
And again TSM beats CLG by going through the winner bracket even though tied in score vs their rivals. Not complaining just thing it's a funny coincidence because yes there should be consequences to losing a bo3.

Great play by TSM with some derps, but really big props for CLG putting up such a great showing with HS new to the jungle and Xhazard who was really solid this whole tournament.

You could argue that CLG had the harder bracket, being forced to plow through more good teams. But at this point, it'd sound like bitter whining lol. CLG just couldn't beat Dignitas the first time they met and that really caused a lot of problems for them.

Still, HSGG new to the jungle putting up a good showing and xHazzard doing a good job too. Season 2 NA Qualifiers seem like they'll be very tight.
It's like, "Is the Federation's Mobile Suit some kind of monster?"
EchelonTee
Profile Joined February 2011
United States5261 Posts
June 11 2012 05:04 GMT
#3163
On June 11 2012 14:02 PepperoniPiZZa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 11 2012 13:51 overt wrote:
On June 11 2012 13:50 maliceee wrote:
On June 11 2012 13:48 GreenManalishi wrote:
That's game =/

I blame it on the terrible scheduling from MLG. Needed to redistribute games more evenly over the whole weekend.


seriously? wth are you talking about.

awesome steal by gg


He's trying to say that CLG is tired from playing twice as many games as TSM today since they came from loser's bracket.

Not a valid excuse if CLG loses but pretty huge bragging rights if they win.


I think being forced to go through the losers bracket is punishment enough for dropping out of the winners bracket. TSM can mess up 3 out of the first 4 games while CLG was only able to mess up one out of their first 3 games. They should just make the grand final a bo5.

The way The International did it (dota tourny) was Bo5, Winner Bracket team starts series 1-0. What do you think of that alternative?

Winner bracket needs some sort of advantage, because otherwise it doesn't make much sense that both teams lose 1 Bo3, but the Loser Bracket team wins champ??
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Jaksiel
Profile Joined November 2008
United States4130 Posts
June 11 2012 05:04 GMT
#3164
On June 11 2012 14:02 HazMat wrote:
Time for CLG to blame having to play video games for a long time in 1 day and having a ringer.


Oddly condescending post. Playing for 13 hours is tiring. I don't play video games competitively but I do play Magic: the Gathering competitively and I know what it's like. Just because it doesn't have physical exertion doesn't mean it's not exhausting.
Zero fighting.
GreenManalishi
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada834 Posts
June 11 2012 05:05 GMT
#3165
When you think about how CLG beat TD, CLG.eu, and Dig already today, they did pretty amazing. It will be fun to see CLG play TSM with their full lineup and not after 13hrs of straight LoL.
GeorgeForeman
Profile Joined April 2005
United States1746 Posts
June 11 2012 05:05 GMT
#3166
On June 11 2012 14:02 BlackMagister wrote:
And again TSM beats CLG by going through the winner bracket even though tied in score vs their rivals. Not complaining just thing it's a funny coincidence because yes there should be consequences to losing a bo3. ?

Like getting knocked into the Loser's Bracket? 'Cause that would make sense.
like a school bus through a bunch of kids
Alzadar
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada5009 Posts
June 11 2012 05:05 GMT
#3167
On June 11 2012 14:02 HazMat wrote:
Time for CLG to blame having to play video games for a long time in 1 day and having a ringer.


Do you question the fact that playing intense, important matches in a world-class tournament is incredibly draining? It's nowhere near the same as playing for 10 hours at home.
I am the Town Medic.
QuakerOats
Profile Joined April 2009
United States1024 Posts
June 11 2012 05:05 GMT
#3168
On June 11 2012 14:03 Abenson wrote:
Such good games.
I'm surprised to see that CLG still so strong despite down Voyboy and having the whole roster shifting


Yeah, give Hotshot a little longer to practice jungling and with Voyboy top, I think CLG is going to be extremely strong.

Well played TSM, they look almost unstoppable right now.
Chiharu Harukaze
Profile Joined September 2011
12112 Posts
June 11 2012 05:05 GMT
#3169
On June 11 2012 14:04 EchelonTee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 11 2012 14:02 PepperoniPiZZa wrote:
On June 11 2012 13:51 overt wrote:
On June 11 2012 13:50 maliceee wrote:
On June 11 2012 13:48 GreenManalishi wrote:
That's game =/

I blame it on the terrible scheduling from MLG. Needed to redistribute games more evenly over the whole weekend.


seriously? wth are you talking about.

awesome steal by gg


He's trying to say that CLG is tired from playing twice as many games as TSM today since they came from loser's bracket.

Not a valid excuse if CLG loses but pretty huge bragging rights if they win.


I think being forced to go through the losers bracket is punishment enough for dropping out of the winners bracket. TSM can mess up 3 out of the first 4 games while CLG was only able to mess up one out of their first 3 games. They should just make the grand final a bo5.

The way The International did it (dota tourny) was Bo5, Winner Bracket team starts series 1-0. What do you think of that alternative?

Winner bracket needs some sort of advantage, because otherwise it doesn't make much sense that both teams lose 1 Bo3, but the Loser Bracket team wins champ??

The International Qualifiers Finals didn't have any advantage.
It's like, "Is the Federation's Mobile Suit some kind of monster?"
GeorgeForeman
Profile Joined April 2005
United States1746 Posts
June 11 2012 05:06 GMT
#3170
Hmm. Wish they hadn't cut away from the after-match celebration so quickly. Woulda been fun to watch. >_<
like a school bus through a bunch of kids
phyvo
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States5635 Posts
June 11 2012 05:06 GMT
#3171
On June 11 2012 13:43 Shikyo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 11 2012 13:24 TwoToneTerran wrote:
On June 11 2012 13:18 Qualm wrote:
On June 11 2012 13:11 TwoToneTerran wrote:
On June 11 2012 13:10 mr_tolkien wrote:
Didn't somebody in this same thread say that Vayne was not as viable as before ?

Mad lulz. Vayne is 300% viable in team play !


My main problem with Vayne is that she is not viable unless played impeccably, but if you play other AD carries impeccably you probably carry just as hard.

Vayne is going to outscale nearly every other AD regardless of how good you are with them.
Of course she does have a bad earlygame, but if she didn't she would just be overpowered.



Like 80% of every AD carry's scaling is their items. Her kit is just really good for teamfight positioning when played well. She's a good lategame carry to have if you want a team comp that doesn't protect the carry, otherwise you want Kog'Maw for his range and poke. It's almost nothing to do with scaling unless you're going up against the few champs her true damage really shines on (Like Mundo, Alistar and Yorick).

The true dmg is actually rather terrible, even if the opponent has 5k HP and you deal an average of 300 dmg per hit average(say IE LW PD BT) you only deal like 50% extra dmg with the true dmg, and this is in pretty much the perfect situation with you being able to constantly attack a single target(This usually doesn't even happen, usually as a ranged AD you either take a few shots at everything around or focus squishies)

True dmg isn't really an important thing about vayne

Like, Corki's passive is far better in most situations


If you're sniffing at 50% extra damage (by your own math) that is impossible to mitigate you're bloody insane.

Now, by my math, W is what puts Vayne on top of the DPS heap, even against a target with HP/armor as low as 2.5k/120. With W+R her only equal is a perfect 2-axe Draven.

I know it's hard to get that third hit but that doesn't mean that W's damage isn't huge if you get it off. It's perfectly fine to argue that without trying to support it with numbers you make up on the spot.
"BE A MANGO TO SLEEP LIKE A SNORING TIGER" - Monte
Alzadar
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada5009 Posts
June 11 2012 05:07 GMT
#3172
I feel like Nidalee kind of dropped the ball for Game 3. She gave the first blood, didn't even remotely outlane Karthus (I'd say the match-up heavily favours her) and then got caught several times later in the game.
I am the Town Medic.
EchelonTee
Profile Joined February 2011
United States5261 Posts
June 11 2012 05:07 GMT
#3173
On June 11 2012 14:05 Chiharu Harukaze wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 11 2012 14:04 EchelonTee wrote:
On June 11 2012 14:02 PepperoniPiZZa wrote:
On June 11 2012 13:51 overt wrote:
On June 11 2012 13:50 maliceee wrote:
On June 11 2012 13:48 GreenManalishi wrote:
That's game =/

I blame it on the terrible scheduling from MLG. Needed to redistribute games more evenly over the whole weekend.


seriously? wth are you talking about.

awesome steal by gg


He's trying to say that CLG is tired from playing twice as many games as TSM today since they came from loser's bracket.

Not a valid excuse if CLG loses but pretty huge bragging rights if they win.


I think being forced to go through the losers bracket is punishment enough for dropping out of the winners bracket. TSM can mess up 3 out of the first 4 games while CLG was only able to mess up one out of their first 3 games. They should just make the grand final a bo5.

The way The International did it (dota tourny) was Bo5, Winner Bracket team starts series 1-0. What do you think of that alternative?

Winner bracket needs some sort of advantage, because otherwise it doesn't make much sense that both teams lose 1 Bo3, but the Loser Bracket team wins champ??

The International Qualifiers Finals didn't have any advantage.

The International 1 Finals.
aka "neophyte". learn lots. dont judge. laugh for no reason. be nice. seek happiness. -D[9]
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-11 05:09:02
June 11 2012 05:07 GMT
#3174
On June 11 2012 14:02 BlackMagister wrote:
And again TSM beats CLG by going through the winner bracket even though tied in score vs their rivals. Not complaining just thing it's a funny coincidence because yes there should be consequences to losing a bo3. ?

After the first Bo3 TSM dropped into the losers bracket and then they played an even Bo3 there, the losing team would be eliminated and thus the winning team will be left over.

This isn't a bracket about winning, it's about being the last team left.

I hate having to explain the format every time, use wikipedia please.

On June 11 2012 14:06 phyvo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 11 2012 13:43 Shikyo wrote:
On June 11 2012 13:24 TwoToneTerran wrote:
On June 11 2012 13:18 Qualm wrote:
On June 11 2012 13:11 TwoToneTerran wrote:
On June 11 2012 13:10 mr_tolkien wrote:
Didn't somebody in this same thread say that Vayne was not as viable as before ?

Mad lulz. Vayne is 300% viable in team play !


My main problem with Vayne is that she is not viable unless played impeccably, but if you play other AD carries impeccably you probably carry just as hard.

Vayne is going to outscale nearly every other AD regardless of how good you are with them.
Of course she does have a bad earlygame, but if she didn't she would just be overpowered.



Like 80% of every AD carry's scaling is their items. Her kit is just really good for teamfight positioning when played well. She's a good lategame carry to have if you want a team comp that doesn't protect the carry, otherwise you want Kog'Maw for his range and poke. It's almost nothing to do with scaling unless you're going up against the few champs her true damage really shines on (Like Mundo, Alistar and Yorick).

The true dmg is actually rather terrible, even if the opponent has 5k HP and you deal an average of 300 dmg per hit average(say IE LW PD BT) you only deal like 50% extra dmg with the true dmg, and this is in pretty much the perfect situation with you being able to constantly attack a single target(This usually doesn't even happen, usually as a ranged AD you either take a few shots at everything around or focus squishies)

True dmg isn't really an important thing about vayne

Like, Corki's passive is far better in most situations


If you're sniffing at 50% extra damage (by your own math) that is impossible to mitigate you're bloody insane.

Now, by my math, W is what puts Vayne on top of the DPS heap, even against a target with HP/armor as low as 2.5k/120. With W+R her only equal is a perfect 2-axe Draven.

I know it's hard to get that third hit but that doesn't mean that W's damage isn't huge if you get it off. It's perfectly fine to argue that without trying to support it with numbers you make up on the spot.

In the best possible scenario with super short range, yeah.

Truth is in a teamfight you will probably get a single silver bolt off because you can't just focus a single target
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
SnK-Arcbound
Profile Joined March 2005
United States4423 Posts
June 11 2012 05:08 GMT
#3175
On June 11 2012 14:04 Jaksiel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 11 2012 14:02 HazMat wrote:
Time for CLG to blame having to play video games for a long time in 1 day and having a ringer.


Oddly condescending post. Playing for 13 hours is tiring. I don't play video games competitively but I do play Magic: the Gathering competitively and I know what it's like. Just because it doesn't have physical exertion doesn't mean it's not exhausting.

I've done 13 hours days at PTQ's and it's rather easy.
Chiharu Harukaze
Profile Joined September 2011
12112 Posts
June 11 2012 05:08 GMT
#3176
On June 11 2012 14:06 phyvo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 11 2012 13:43 Shikyo wrote:
On June 11 2012 13:24 TwoToneTerran wrote:
On June 11 2012 13:18 Qualm wrote:
On June 11 2012 13:11 TwoToneTerran wrote:
On June 11 2012 13:10 mr_tolkien wrote:
Didn't somebody in this same thread say that Vayne was not as viable as before ?

Mad lulz. Vayne is 300% viable in team play !


My main problem with Vayne is that she is not viable unless played impeccably, but if you play other AD carries impeccably you probably carry just as hard.

Vayne is going to outscale nearly every other AD regardless of how good you are with them.
Of course she does have a bad earlygame, but if she didn't she would just be overpowered.



Like 80% of every AD carry's scaling is their items. Her kit is just really good for teamfight positioning when played well. She's a good lategame carry to have if you want a team comp that doesn't protect the carry, otherwise you want Kog'Maw for his range and poke. It's almost nothing to do with scaling unless you're going up against the few champs her true damage really shines on (Like Mundo, Alistar and Yorick).

The true dmg is actually rather terrible, even if the opponent has 5k HP and you deal an average of 300 dmg per hit average(say IE LW PD BT) you only deal like 50% extra dmg with the true dmg, and this is in pretty much the perfect situation with you being able to constantly attack a single target(This usually doesn't even happen, usually as a ranged AD you either take a few shots at everything around or focus squishies)

True dmg isn't really an important thing about vayne

Like, Corki's passive is far better in most situations


If you're sniffing at 50% extra damage (by your own math) that is impossible to mitigate you're bloody insane.

Now, by my math, W is what puts Vayne on top of the DPS heap, even against a target with HP/armor as low as 2.5k/120. With W+R her only equal is a perfect 2-axe Draven.

I know it's hard to get that third hit but that doesn't mean that W's damage isn't huge if you get it off. It's perfectly fine to argue that without trying to support it with numbers you make up on the spot.

Draven is pretty nuts right now. As Vayne with more items he was still doing more damage than me wtf. @_@

Although this isn't a discussion for this thread lol.
It's like, "Is the Federation's Mobile Suit some kind of monster?"
Slow Motion
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States6960 Posts
June 11 2012 05:08 GMT
#3177
Shoulda ran the poke comp But I think with Saint gone we might never see the classic CLG poke comp again. They probably don't practice it because Voy doesn't play Nid and the xHazzard sub was kinda a one-time thing.
Chiharu Harukaze
Profile Joined September 2011
12112 Posts
June 11 2012 05:08 GMT
#3178
On June 11 2012 14:07 EchelonTee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 11 2012 14:05 Chiharu Harukaze wrote:
On June 11 2012 14:04 EchelonTee wrote:
On June 11 2012 14:02 PepperoniPiZZa wrote:
On June 11 2012 13:51 overt wrote:
On June 11 2012 13:50 maliceee wrote:
On June 11 2012 13:48 GreenManalishi wrote:
That's game =/

I blame it on the terrible scheduling from MLG. Needed to redistribute games more evenly over the whole weekend.


seriously? wth are you talking about.

awesome steal by gg


He's trying to say that CLG is tired from playing twice as many games as TSM today since they came from loser's bracket.

Not a valid excuse if CLG loses but pretty huge bragging rights if they win.


I think being forced to go through the losers bracket is punishment enough for dropping out of the winners bracket. TSM can mess up 3 out of the first 4 games while CLG was only able to mess up one out of their first 3 games. They should just make the grand final a bo5.

The way The International did it (dota tourny) was Bo5, Winner Bracket team starts series 1-0. What do you think of that alternative?

Winner bracket needs some sort of advantage, because otherwise it doesn't make much sense that both teams lose 1 Bo3, but the Loser Bracket team wins champ??

The International Qualifiers Finals didn't have any advantage.

The International 1 Finals.

Oh my bad then lol
It's like, "Is the Federation's Mobile Suit some kind of monster?"
MooMooMugi
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States10531 Posts
June 11 2012 05:08 GMT
#3179
TSM TSM TSM

BAYLIFE BROs
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RoieTRS
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States2569 Posts
June 11 2012 05:09 GMT
#3180
There is no excuse. Sometimes you get dealt an unfair bracket, sometimes an official makes an unfair ruling. That didn't stop clg from winning season1 world championship.
This isn't even close to as unfair as season1 wc was. It is a standard double elimination that has been around forever. Yeah, you lose and you play twice as many games. You know that going into a tournament.
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