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NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
April 09 2012 02:08 GMT
#6481
IPL4 Feedback thread is up.

And stop talking about rape and fuck. It's a total waste of time.
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beefhamburger
Profile Joined December 2007
United States3962 Posts
April 09 2012 02:09 GMT
#6482
On April 09 2012 11:05 Ryuu314 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 09 2012 11:03 overt wrote:
On April 09 2012 11:00 Ryuu314 wrote:
On April 09 2012 10:56 Two_DoWn wrote:
And we all learned something today:


FOR THE LOVE OF ALL THAT IS HOLY DO NOT TAKE A 7 MINUTE TOWER!

to be fair I dont think it was so much the 7 minute tower, but more of hsgg having to switch bot while dlift/chauster went top. even after they pushed down the tower dlift/chauster were still able to crap all over ashe.


Them taking the early tower meant that Ashe could farm safely. So Chaox was able to over come dying three times in lane and having half of Double's CS by just safely farming. If they would've kept tower they probably would've gotten more kills on Ashe or at the very least zoned her off CS/pushed creeps to tower and let tower take her CS.

Taking bot tower early only works if you can pressure other parts of the map. Can't pressure mid cause Cass clears too fast and can't pressure top because Vlad won lane so hard against Olaf.

Not really no. Dlift and Chauster killed Chaox twice after taking bot tower. As long as Dlift was bot, Chaox absolutely couldn't farm. It wasn't until Dlift went top and switched with HSGG did Chaox actually manage to catch up in farm.

Exactly, but DL couldn't stay bot anymore because by then the rest of TSM was strong enough to roam and gank him. He couldn't zone out ashe anymore because of the danger of having that first bottom tower taken so early.
Abenson
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Canada4122 Posts
April 09 2012 02:10 GMT
#6483
On April 09 2012 11:08 obesemk wrote:
Are they done or is the final starting soon or what?


It's over.
TSM is the winner
TwoToneTerran
Profile Joined March 2009
United States8841 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-09 02:11:15
April 09 2012 02:10 GMT
#6484
On April 09 2012 11:07 JackDino wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 09 2012 11:02 TwoToneTerran wrote:
On April 09 2012 11:00 wei2coolman wrote:
On April 09 2012 10:58 Zooper31 wrote:
On April 09 2012 10:54 TwoToneTerran wrote:
On April 09 2012 10:52 wei2coolman wrote:
On April 09 2012 10:51 Chiharu Harukaze wrote:
On April 09 2012 10:50 wei2coolman wrote:
I don't even think the word "rape" is even that big of a deal >.>, it's using the word to describe what the word is meant to describe.

What, forced sexual penetration? It is inappropriate.

More inappropriate than t-shirts that pretty much says "fuck"????


Yes. There's nothing wrong with fucking. There's everything wrong with rape.


People need to grow a pair and calm do "fuck" down. It's a gamer term for pwnage. No one in their right mind would say that and use it in that direct way.

Stop being so sensitive ffs.

So if a team says "we killed them". totally inappropriate. killing > rape, if we can't tolerate use of the word "rape" then, we shouldn't tolerate the word "kill" as well. slippery slope is slippery. political correctness has gone to far.


No, because you're actually killing people and it is indicative of the gameplay. No one rapes in video games, and if you do, stop playing those video games.

So killing in a videogame is fine, but raping in a videogame is wrong? You're such a hypocrit, first you say that the problem is that people accept rape as a normal word, yet you accept killing as a normal thing. Atleast the rape victim in the videogame lives.
Show nested quote +
On April 09 2012 11:04 beefhamburger wrote:
Not a fan of the olaf pick. Past level like 8 he just gets destroyed by vlad. HS needs to find a non-niche champion to play vs someone like vlad.

The olaf pick was fine, hotshot just got 3man raped in lane after wasting his mana, and he didn't focus ashe but focused maokai every single time.


Holy shit, you have some serious issues. Fantasy violence is a lot different from fantasy sexual deviation and if you can't understand that simple fucking facet you need to learn. People come back to fucking life in video games, you know, like in LoL. It has a clear delineation that you can't seem to comprehend.

Like I said, are you okay with the use of the words nigger, holocaust jew, and faggot just because they're being adopted as "video game terms" ? This shit is not okay.

edit: sorry, I'll stop, made this before I saw the Neo post.
Remember Violet.
Ryuu314
Profile Joined October 2009
United States12679 Posts
April 09 2012 02:12 GMT
#6485
On April 09 2012 11:07 overt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 09 2012 11:05 Ryuu314 wrote:
On April 09 2012 11:03 overt wrote:
On April 09 2012 11:00 Ryuu314 wrote:
On April 09 2012 10:56 Two_DoWn wrote:
And we all learned something today:


FOR THE LOVE OF ALL THAT IS HOLY DO NOT TAKE A 7 MINUTE TOWER!

to be fair I dont think it was so much the 7 minute tower, but more of hsgg having to switch bot while dlift/chauster went top. even after they pushed down the tower dlift/chauster were still able to crap all over ashe.


Them taking the early tower meant that Ashe could farm safely. So Chaox was able to over come dying three times in lane and having half of Double's CS by just safely farming. If they would've kept tower they probably would've gotten more kills on Ashe or at the very least zoned her off CS/pushed creeps to tower and let tower take her CS.

Taking bot tower early only works if you can pressure other parts of the map. Can't pressure mid cause Cass clears too fast and can't pressure top because Vlad won lane so hard against Olaf.

Not really no. Dlift and Chauster killed Chaox twice after taking bot tower. As long as Dlift was bot, Chaox absolutely couldn't farm. It wasn't until Dlift went top and switched with HSGG did Chaox actually manage to catch up in farm.


Taking early tower still meant Ashe could farm safely. And if they're getting kills on Ashe while overextended then they probably would've gotten kills on Ashe without taking the tower. Was not a smart choice at all imo.

Overextention wasn't really a problem when you have a Chauster constantly warding the shit out of bot lane. Taking the early tower gave them more gold to help extend their bot lane advantage and maybe help HSGG at top lane by giving him 150 gold to close the gap between him and Dyrus. It also gave them map control (which they admittedly didn't utilize).

Yes, they could've chose to not take the tower and probably still would've been able to get kills off Chaox. But getting that tower meant more gold to the whole team and map control. Chaox was only able to catch up because Dlift left the lane and CLG focused their attention on the top half of the map, because they needed to give HSGG space to farm and catch up. Bot lane was essentially catch-up lane for both teams. It ended working up better for TSM because HSGG's build was terrible and Ashe v. Olaf is favorable for Ashe.
Itsmedudeman
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States19229 Posts
April 09 2012 02:12 GMT
#6486
On April 09 2012 11:07 JackDino wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 09 2012 11:02 TwoToneTerran wrote:
On April 09 2012 11:00 wei2coolman wrote:
On April 09 2012 10:58 Zooper31 wrote:
On April 09 2012 10:54 TwoToneTerran wrote:
On April 09 2012 10:52 wei2coolman wrote:
On April 09 2012 10:51 Chiharu Harukaze wrote:
On April 09 2012 10:50 wei2coolman wrote:
I don't even think the word "rape" is even that big of a deal >.>, it's using the word to describe what the word is meant to describe.

What, forced sexual penetration? It is inappropriate.

More inappropriate than t-shirts that pretty much says "fuck"????


Yes. There's nothing wrong with fucking. There's everything wrong with rape.


People need to grow a pair and calm do "fuck" down. It's a gamer term for pwnage. No one in their right mind would say that and use it in that direct way.

Stop being so sensitive ffs.

So if a team says "we killed them". totally inappropriate. killing > rape, if we can't tolerate use of the word "rape" then, we shouldn't tolerate the word "kill" as well. slippery slope is slippery. political correctness has gone to far.


No, because you're actually killing people and it is indicative of the gameplay. No one rapes in video games, and if you do, stop playing those video games.

So killing in a videogame is fine, but raping in a videogame is wrong? You're such a hypocrit, first you say that the problem is that people accept rape as a normal word, yet you accept killing as a normal thing. Atleast the rape victim in the videogame lives.
Show nested quote +
On April 09 2012 11:04 beefhamburger wrote:
Not a fan of the olaf pick. Past level like 8 he just gets destroyed by vlad. HS needs to find a non-niche champion to play vs someone like vlad.

The olaf pick was fine, hotshot just got 3man raped in lane after wasting his mana, and he didn't focus ashe but focused maokai every single time.

Cris vee is a real bitch, asking 2nd place what their favourite part of the tourney was. Would've smacker her right there on stage.

Do you actually think people should be okay with a video game that focuses on raping people because we play video games that let us kill? Lol...
Ryuu314
Profile Joined October 2009
United States12679 Posts
April 09 2012 02:13 GMT
#6487
On April 09 2012 11:09 beefhamburger wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 09 2012 11:05 Ryuu314 wrote:
On April 09 2012 11:03 overt wrote:
On April 09 2012 11:00 Ryuu314 wrote:
On April 09 2012 10:56 Two_DoWn wrote:
And we all learned something today:


FOR THE LOVE OF ALL THAT IS HOLY DO NOT TAKE A 7 MINUTE TOWER!

to be fair I dont think it was so much the 7 minute tower, but more of hsgg having to switch bot while dlift/chauster went top. even after they pushed down the tower dlift/chauster were still able to crap all over ashe.


Them taking the early tower meant that Ashe could farm safely. So Chaox was able to over come dying three times in lane and having half of Double's CS by just safely farming. If they would've kept tower they probably would've gotten more kills on Ashe or at the very least zoned her off CS/pushed creeps to tower and let tower take her CS.

Taking bot tower early only works if you can pressure other parts of the map. Can't pressure mid cause Cass clears too fast and can't pressure top because Vlad won lane so hard against Olaf.

Not really no. Dlift and Chauster killed Chaox twice after taking bot tower. As long as Dlift was bot, Chaox absolutely couldn't farm. It wasn't until Dlift went top and switched with HSGG did Chaox actually manage to catch up in farm.

Exactly, but DL couldn't stay bot anymore because by then the rest of TSM was strong enough to roam and gank him. He couldn't zone out ashe anymore because of the danger of having that first bottom tower taken so early.

No, that's not true. DL didn't stay bot because of danger of ganks. DL didn't stay bot because HSGG was getting completely dominated top and couldn't lane against Dyrus anymore. With good ward coverage by Chauster avoiding ganks isn't hard.
Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
April 09 2012 02:14 GMT
#6488
Reguardless of what you think about The Rain Man and Dyrus as players, I think this proves that TRM was flat wrong, last 3 majors all taken by teams that focus on playing together for practice on a daily basis.
Carrilord has arrived.
zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
April 09 2012 02:15 GMT
#6489
On April 09 2012 11:08 Ryuu314 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 09 2012 11:06 zulu_nation8 wrote:
I can't believe regi didn't dance with cristina vee

On the games,

- TSM copied M5 in running Ashe to stop split pushes
- Top and jungler decides games way more so than the other three roles combined, mid/bot are nearly equal in skill on almost every team that attended
- Not sure what Hotshot was thinking getting shurelia and double aegis
- Nerfing Irelia made the tournament level top lane champion pool even more limited

Woah woah woah. You srs? This tourney we saw Mundo, Lee Sin, Olaf, Vlad, Kennen, and GP top just off the top of my head. Compare that to last tourney when Irelia was picked in practically every single game.


thats pretty small imo, and only treeeskimo used mundo, he also likes to run sion top which no one else does. I don't even remember if Jax and Renekton were used when they are both perfectly viable.
Mios
Profile Joined April 2010
United States686 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-09 02:16:24
April 09 2012 02:15 GMT
#6490
I don't get why people still freak out about the word rape. It has other meanings besides forced sexual intercourse.

4. Rape: an act of plunder, violent seizure, or abuse; despoliation; violation: the rape of the countryside.

User was warned for this post
no LAN and intercontinental bnet = T_T
mrgerry
Profile Joined September 2008
United States1508 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-09 02:17:44
April 09 2012 02:17 GMT
#6491
Well missed the finals but this IPL was extremely well run. Greatest thing for me was to see an excited crowd for a live LoL event for once ^_^
MyTHicaL
Profile Joined November 2005
France1070 Posts
April 09 2012 02:18 GMT
#6492
On April 09 2012 11:10 TwoToneTerran wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 09 2012 11:07 JackDino wrote:
On April 09 2012 11:02 TwoToneTerran wrote:
On April 09 2012 11:00 wei2coolman wrote:
On April 09 2012 10:58 Zooper31 wrote:
On April 09 2012 10:54 TwoToneTerran wrote:
On April 09 2012 10:52 wei2coolman wrote:
On April 09 2012 10:51 Chiharu Harukaze wrote:
On April 09 2012 10:50 wei2coolman wrote:
I don't even think the word "rape" is even that big of a deal >.>, it's using the word to describe what the word is meant to describe.

What, forced sexual penetration? It is inappropriate.

More inappropriate than t-shirts that pretty much says "fuck"????


Yes. There's nothing wrong with fucking. There's everything wrong with rape.


People need to grow a pair and calm do "fuck" down. It's a gamer term for pwnage. No one in their right mind would say that and use it in that direct way.

Stop being so sensitive ffs.

So if a team says "we killed them". totally inappropriate. killing > rape, if we can't tolerate use of the word "rape" then, we shouldn't tolerate the word "kill" as well. slippery slope is slippery. political correctness has gone to far.


No, because you're actually killing people and it is indicative of the gameplay. No one rapes in video games, and if you do, stop playing those video games.

So killing in a videogame is fine, but raping in a videogame is wrong? You're such a hypocrit, first you say that the problem is that people accept rape as a normal word, yet you accept killing as a normal thing. Atleast the rape victim in the videogame lives.
On April 09 2012 11:04 beefhamburger wrote:
Not a fan of the olaf pick. Past level like 8 he just gets destroyed by vlad. HS needs to find a non-niche champion to play vs someone like vlad.

The olaf pick was fine, hotshot just got 3man raped in lane after wasting his mana, and he didn't focus ashe but focused maokai every single time.


Holy shit, you have some serious issues. Fantasy violence is a lot different from fantasy sexual deviation and if you can't understand that simple fucking facet you need to learn. People come back to fucking life in video games, you know, like in LoL. It has a clear delineation that you can't seem to comprehend.

Like I said, are you okay with the use of the words nigger, holocaust jew, and faggot just because they're being adopted as "video game terms" ? This shit is not okay.

edit: sorry, I'll stop, made this before I saw the Neo post.


I want his immunity I have been warned/banned for x5 times less, no joke. yeah i imagine 1 of u 2 will warn/ban me for this but still.. justicice is universal or nonexistant. = thx?! Bad grammar ftw!.


User was temp banned for this post.
Ryuu314
Profile Joined October 2009
United States12679 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-09 02:20:13
April 09 2012 02:18 GMT
#6493
On April 09 2012 11:15 zulu_nation8 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 09 2012 11:08 Ryuu314 wrote:
On April 09 2012 11:06 zulu_nation8 wrote:
I can't believe regi didn't dance with cristina vee

On the games,

- TSM copied M5 in running Ashe to stop split pushes
- Top and jungler decides games way more so than the other three roles combined, mid/bot are nearly equal in skill on almost every team that attended
- Not sure what Hotshot was thinking getting shurelia and double aegis
- Nerfing Irelia made the tournament level top lane champion pool even more limited

Woah woah woah. You srs? This tourney we saw Mundo, Lee Sin, Olaf, Vlad, Kennen, and GP top just off the top of my head. Compare that to last tourney when Irelia was picked in practically every single game.


thats pretty small imo, and only treeeskimo used mundo, he also likes to run sion top which no one else does. I don't even remember if Jax and Renekton were used when they are both perfectly viable.

Jax was only used as a jungler once. Renekton was used once as well. Renekton/Jax's underuse is more due to no players really playing them than their not being viable imo. The pool of tournament viable top laners have never been that big. In the last few tournaments, Irelia was picked or banned in practically every single game. I don't see how you can say the nerf to Irelia and Irelia not being played lowers variation.
HPoirot
Profile Joined June 2011
United States1303 Posts
April 09 2012 02:19 GMT
#6494
On April 09 2012 11:18 Ryuu314 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 09 2012 11:15 zulu_nation8 wrote:
On April 09 2012 11:08 Ryuu314 wrote:
On April 09 2012 11:06 zulu_nation8 wrote:
I can't believe regi didn't dance with cristina vee

On the games,

- TSM copied M5 in running Ashe to stop split pushes
- Top and jungler decides games way more so than the other three roles combined, mid/bot are nearly equal in skill on almost every team that attended
- Not sure what Hotshot was thinking getting shurelia and double aegis
- Nerfing Irelia made the tournament level top lane champion pool even more limited

Woah woah woah. You srs? This tourney we saw Mundo, Lee Sin, Olaf, Vlad, Kennen, and GP top just off the top of my head. Compare that to last tourney when Irelia was picked in practically every single game.


thats pretty small imo, and only treeeskimo used mundo, he also likes to run sion top which no one else does. I don't even remember if Jax and Renekton were used when they are both perfectly viable.

Jax was only used as a jungler once. Renekton was used once as well. Renekton/Jax's underuse is more due to no players really playing them than their not being viable imo. The pool of tournament viable top laners have never been that big. In the last few tournaments, Irelia was picked or banned in practically every single game. I don't see how you can say the nerf to Irelia and Irelia not being played lowers variation.


Voy played Jax top.
King K. Rool
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Canada4408 Posts
April 09 2012 02:22 GMT
#6495
On April 09 2012 11:15 Mios wrote:
I don't get why people still freak out about the word rape. It has other meanings besides forced sexual intercourse.

4. Rape: an act of plunder, violent seizure, or abuse; despoliation; violation: the rape of the countryside.

this argument is weak as shit. rape is used nowadays in the world to mean forced sexual intercourse, and when gamers use it that's what they mean, not pillaging.

User was warned for this post
MyTHicaL
Profile Joined November 2005
France1070 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-09 02:26:33
April 09 2012 02:24 GMT
#6496
Just thankful that the over-rated dig didnt't take this. would've liked a game 3 (OFC) in the final bo3, I think that the most under rated battle of the saga was theoddone vs saint, though maybe i am biased as a jungler/mid player . Anywho nice series, and I'm happy that TSM can shut down a bit of the retarded "you live together but don't perform" criticisim (is that miss-spelled?), it was kind of annoying to read/hear...
I've tried to drunkenly make my post as grammatically correct as possible, less I offend the foreigner admins xD roflmao. .. -no provocation intended,

PS: you're random "rape" discussion is utterly pointless and should be shut down asap. WITHOUT WARININGS OR BANS
oogieogie
Profile Joined June 2011
United States3657 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-09 02:26:11
April 09 2012 02:25 GMT
#6497
nvm
TheLink
Profile Joined January 2011
Australia2725 Posts
April 09 2012 02:26 GMT
#6498
I just had the most awesome thought suggested to me.

Promote to counter Anivia, can't wave-clear this. Lets you shove to contest her blues and pressure inhibs she's trying to hold.

Dear god I hope this happens.
Only the weak link is strong enough to break the chain.
BlackMagister
Profile Joined October 2008
United States5834 Posts
April 09 2012 02:28 GMT
#6499
Seems like CLG would have done better to ban Ashe instead of Galio. Is Galio really that scarry with flash ult compared to arrow engage? It's also not like CLG was running a double AP comp. Or ban Vlad of course.
Chiharu Harukaze
Profile Joined September 2011
12112 Posts
April 09 2012 02:29 GMT
#6500
On April 09 2012 11:26 TheLink wrote:
I just had the most awesome thought suggested to me.

Promote to counter Anivia, can't wave-clear this. Lets you shove to contest her blues and pressure inhibs she's trying to hold.

Dear god I hope this happens.

Main problem I see is that you give up so much lane control not having a combat/defensive summoner in lane. Who takes promote without losing their lane as a result? Promote can't help you in lane.
It's like, "Is the Federation's Mobile Suit some kind of monster?"
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