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On April 09 2012 10:58 fishinguy wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2012 10:53 cLutZ wrote:On April 09 2012 10:51 OreoBoi wrote:On April 09 2012 10:50 cLutZ wrote:
Why all the love for Ashe? Regi play won the game. Because Ashe stopped the split pushing that CLG did in every other game. Sometimes. S2G2, the Regi hold + Dyrus early recall is what was the decisive turning point. CLG split push is their best strategy, and ashe shuts that down very well. Its the reason they banned noc every game, because noc also punishes split push hard. TSM was really smart in the second b03, they realised CLG's plan and actually countered it. Much different from the usual TSM with extremely poor communication. In fact very impressed by TSM this tournament.
Intriguing.
Also, Graves seemed entirely underutilized after his strong start.
Maybe just me.
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On April 09 2012 11:00 wei2coolman wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2012 10:58 Zooper31 wrote:On April 09 2012 10:54 TwoToneTerran wrote:On April 09 2012 10:52 wei2coolman wrote:On April 09 2012 10:51 Chiharu Harukaze wrote:On April 09 2012 10:50 wei2coolman wrote:
I don't even think the word "rape" is even that big of a deal >.>, it's using the word to describe what the word is meant to describe. What, forced sexual penetration? It is inappropriate. More inappropriate than t-shirts that pretty much says "fuck"???? Yes. There's nothing wrong with fucking. There's everything wrong with rape. People need to grow a pair and calm do "fuck" down. It's a gamer term for pwnage. No one in their right mind would say that and use it in that direct way. Stop being so sensitive ffs. So if a team says "we killed them". totally inappropriate. killing > rape, if we can't tolerate use of the word "rape" then, we shouldn't tolerate the word "kill" as well. slippery slope is slippery. political correctness has gone to far.
No, because you're actually killing people and it is indicative of the gameplay. No one rapes in video games, and if you do, stop playing those video games.
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over 200k for sure, not sure exactly what it was though
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MVP goes to Scarra for making opponents bann AP Soraka mid
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On April 09 2012 11:00 Juicyfruit wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2012 10:59 Zooper31 wrote:On April 09 2012 10:58 tobi9999 wrote:On April 09 2012 10:58 MooMooMugi wrote:On April 09 2012 10:57 TwoToneTerran wrote:
Also the MVP should go to Dyrus for not being TheRainMan. TRM is home right now regretting his decision to leave TSM TRM don't give a fuck, didn't even watch IPL4 lol.... I don't think TRM had a choice. It seems like it was his choice to leave. That said, TSM wouldn't have won without Dyrus.
It was his choice because he disagreed with their new try hard schedule. This was a week or so before Jonas showed up too.
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On April 09 2012 11:00 Ryuu314 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2012 10:56 Two_DoWn wrote:
And we all learned something today:
FOR THE LOVE OF ALL THAT IS HOLY DO NOT TAKE A 7 MINUTE TOWER! to be fair I dont think it was so much the 7 minute tower, but more of hsgg having to switch bot while dlift/chauster went top. even after they pushed down the tower dlift/chauster were still able to crap all over ashe.
Them taking the early tower meant that Ashe could farm safely. So Chaox was able to over come dying three times in lane and having half of Double's CS by just safely farming. If they would've kept tower they probably would've gotten more kills on Ashe or at the very least zoned her off CS/pushed creeps to tower and let tower take her CS.
Taking bot tower early only works if you can pressure other parts of the map. Can't pressure mid cause Cass clears too fast and can't pressure top because Vlad won lane so hard against Olaf.
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Highlight of this whole tournament is Cristina Vee grabbing Regi's hands during the credits, starting to dance with him, and watching him panic, shake his head as hard as he can, and RUN off stage. Too smooth.
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On April 09 2012 10:58 JBright wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2012 10:43 Chiharu Harukaze wrote:
Dyrus is the best player ever and TSM is an amazing team definitely the best team in the world and aggressive baylife is the best strategy and so qtie and Chaox best AD player in the world with TOO the best farmer jungler ever and Xpecial is an amazing support while Regi makes the plays and never derps and never makes bad plays and does amazing and no I am not writing this out of duress because I lost a bet with JBright http://i.imgur.com/2DjJo.jpgThis is what I would have posted if CLG won. MoonBear real nice guy 
This needs exposure, well done too. I laughed at the SV one.
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On April 09 2012 11:02 cLutZ wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2012 10:58 fishinguy wrote:On April 09 2012 10:53 cLutZ wrote:On April 09 2012 10:51 OreoBoi wrote:On April 09 2012 10:50 cLutZ wrote:
Why all the love for Ashe? Regi play won the game. Because Ashe stopped the split pushing that CLG did in every other game. Sometimes. S2G2, the Regi hold + Dyrus early recall is what was the decisive turning point. CLG split push is their best strategy, and ashe shuts that down very well. Its the reason they banned noc every game, because noc also punishes split push hard. TSM was really smart in the second b03, they realised CLG's plan and actually countered it. Much different from the usual TSM with extremely poor communication. In fact very impressed by TSM this tournament. Intriguing. Also, Graves seemed entirely underutilized after his strong start. Maybe just me.
Graves was strong, but he's still an AD carry and is gonna be strongest in the late game while Dyrus hit his stride earlier and was much more important to the team fights earlier on, especially considering how early they got double wota.
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Not a fan of the olaf pick. Past level like 8 he just gets destroyed by vlad. HS needs to find a non-niche champion to play vs someone like vlad.
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On April 09 2012 11:03 BlackMagister wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2012 11:00 Juicyfruit wrote:On April 09 2012 10:59 Zooper31 wrote:On April 09 2012 10:58 tobi9999 wrote:On April 09 2012 10:58 MooMooMugi wrote:On April 09 2012 10:57 TwoToneTerran wrote:
Also the MVP should go to Dyrus for not being TheRainMan. TRM is home right now regretting his decision to leave TSM TRM don't give a fuck, didn't even watch IPL4 lol.... I don't think TRM had a choice. It seems like it was his choice to leave. That said, TSM wouldn't have won without Dyrus. It was his choice because he disagreed with their new try hard schedule. This was a week or so before Jonas showed up too.
+ the fact that Rain Man wants to stream when he plays, and TSM was all like, no don't stream!
All in all, I think he has no regrets.
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On April 09 2012 10:58 Zooper31 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2012 10:54 TwoToneTerran wrote:On April 09 2012 10:52 wei2coolman wrote:On April 09 2012 10:51 Chiharu Harukaze wrote:On April 09 2012 10:50 wei2coolman wrote:
I don't even think the word "rape" is even that big of a deal >.>, it's using the word to describe what the word is meant to describe. What, forced sexual penetration? It is inappropriate. More inappropriate than t-shirts that pretty much says "fuck"???? Yes. There's nothing wrong with fucking. There's everything wrong with rape. People need to grow a pair and calm do "fuck" down. It's a gamer term for pwnage. No one in their right mind would say that and use it in that direct way. Stop being so sensitive ffs.
Err, the point is that is not up to you if someone should be offended at something. Also please don't use senstivity to dismiss how someone may feel on the subject. Its pretty rude and selfish.
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On April 09 2012 10:58 Zooper31 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2012 10:54 TwoToneTerran wrote:On April 09 2012 10:52 wei2coolman wrote:On April 09 2012 10:51 Chiharu Harukaze wrote:On April 09 2012 10:50 wei2coolman wrote:
I don't even think the word "rape" is even that big of a deal >.>, it's using the word to describe what the word is meant to describe. What, forced sexual penetration? It is inappropriate. More inappropriate than t-shirts that pretty much says "fuck"???? Yes. There's nothing wrong with fucking. There's everything wrong with rape. People need to grow a pair and calm do "fuck" down. It's a gamer term for pwnage. No one in their right mind would say that and use it in that direct way. Stop being so sensitive ffs.
If it must be used, it should only be with people that you know well enough to use it correctly around. 100k+ on stream, a bunch of people in the audience. What do you think are the chances that one of them or their family members got raped? Rape is not a gamer term. Pwnd, Owned, etc are. Rape is not.
should everybody throw around the word holocaust and various racial slurs? The burden isn't on other people to not be offended by belligerent, vulgar speech but on the speaker to know when to choose their words.
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On April 09 2012 11:03 overt wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2012 11:00 Ryuu314 wrote:On April 09 2012 10:56 Two_DoWn wrote:
And we all learned something today:
FOR THE LOVE OF ALL THAT IS HOLY DO NOT TAKE A 7 MINUTE TOWER! to be fair I dont think it was so much the 7 minute tower, but more of hsgg having to switch bot while dlift/chauster went top. even after they pushed down the tower dlift/chauster were still able to crap all over ashe. Them taking the early tower meant that Ashe could farm safely. So Chaox was able to over come dying three times in lane and having half of Double's CS by just safely farming. If they would've kept tower they probably would've gotten more kills on Ashe or at the very least zoned her off CS/pushed creeps to tower and let tower take her CS. Taking bot tower early only works if you can pressure other parts of the map. Can't pressure mid cause Cass clears too fast and can't pressure top because Vlad won lane so hard against Olaf.
Not really no. Dlift and Chauster killed Chaox twice after taking bot tower. As long as Dlift was bot, Chaox absolutely couldn't farm. It wasn't until Dlift went top and switched with HSGG did Chaox actually manage to catch up in farm.
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I can't believe regi didn't dance with cristina vee
On the games,
- TSM copied M5 in running Ashe to stop split pushes
- Top and jungler decides games way more so than the other three roles combined, mid/bot are nearly equal in skill on almost every team that attended
- Not sure what Hotshot was thinking getting shurelia and double aegis
- Nerfing Irelia made the tournament level top lane champion pool even more limited
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On April 09 2012 11:05 Ryuu314 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2012 11:03 overt wrote:On April 09 2012 11:00 Ryuu314 wrote:On April 09 2012 10:56 Two_DoWn wrote:
And we all learned something today:
FOR THE LOVE OF ALL THAT IS HOLY DO NOT TAKE A 7 MINUTE TOWER! to be fair I dont think it was so much the 7 minute tower, but more of hsgg having to switch bot while dlift/chauster went top. even after they pushed down the tower dlift/chauster were still able to crap all over ashe. Them taking the early tower meant that Ashe could farm safely. So Chaox was able to over come dying three times in lane and having half of Double's CS by just safely farming. If they would've kept tower they probably would've gotten more kills on Ashe or at the very least zoned her off CS/pushed creeps to tower and let tower take her CS. Taking bot tower early only works if you can pressure other parts of the map. Can't pressure mid cause Cass clears too fast and can't pressure top because Vlad won lane so hard against Olaf. Not really no. Dlift and Chauster killed Chaox twice after taking bot tower. As long as Dlift was bot, Chaox absolutely couldn't farm. It wasn't until Dlift went top and switched with HSGG did Chaox actually manage to catch up in farm.
Taking early tower still meant Ashe could farm safely. And if they're getting kills on Ashe while overextended then they probably would've gotten kills on Ashe without taking the tower. Was not a smart choice at all imo.
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On April 09 2012 11:00 TwoToneTerran wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2012 10:58 Zooper31 wrote:On April 09 2012 10:54 TwoToneTerran wrote:On April 09 2012 10:52 wei2coolman wrote:On April 09 2012 10:51 Chiharu Harukaze wrote:On April 09 2012 10:50 wei2coolman wrote:
I don't even think the word "rape" is even that big of a deal >.>, it's using the word to describe what the word is meant to describe. What, forced sexual penetration? It is inappropriate. More inappropriate than t-shirts that pretty much says "fuck"???? Yes. There's nothing wrong with fucking. There's everything wrong with rape. People need to grow a pair and calm do "fuck" down. It's a gamer term for pwnage. No one in their right mind would say that and use it in that direct way. Stop being so sensitive ffs. Being okay with rape as a generic term is the problem. It's like explaining off the use of "faggot" as a pejorative is okay because WE DON'T ACTUALLY MEAN FAGGOT OKAY. It's pathetic, crude, and instead of telling people not to be sensitive, others should learn not to be cretins. It is inherently undermining the seriousness of the action. Would you be okay with someone saying "Haha you got owned like a holocaust victim" ? No, because the act is heinous and everyone knows it is.
Rape actually means something other than sexual violation though, it's even in the dictionary, and it fits the use perfectly. Comparing it to faggot makes no sense because of this.
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On April 09 2012 11:02 TwoToneTerran wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2012 11:00 wei2coolman wrote:On April 09 2012 10:58 Zooper31 wrote:On April 09 2012 10:54 TwoToneTerran wrote:On April 09 2012 10:52 wei2coolman wrote:On April 09 2012 10:51 Chiharu Harukaze wrote:On April 09 2012 10:50 wei2coolman wrote:
I don't even think the word "rape" is even that big of a deal >.>, it's using the word to describe what the word is meant to describe. What, forced sexual penetration? It is inappropriate. More inappropriate than t-shirts that pretty much says "fuck"???? Yes. There's nothing wrong with fucking. There's everything wrong with rape. People need to grow a pair and calm do "fuck" down. It's a gamer term for pwnage. No one in their right mind would say that and use it in that direct way. Stop being so sensitive ffs. So if a team says "we killed them". totally inappropriate. killing > rape, if we can't tolerate use of the word "rape" then, we shouldn't tolerate the word "kill" as well. slippery slope is slippery. political correctness has gone to far. No, because you're actually killing people and it is indicative of the gameplay. No one rapes in video games, and if you do, stop playing those video games.
So killing in a videogame is fine, but raping in a videogame is wrong? You're such a hypocrit, first you say that the problem is that people accept rape as a normal word, yet you accept killing as a normal thing. Atleast the rape victim in the videogame lives.
On April 09 2012 11:04 beefhamburger wrote:
Not a fan of the olaf pick. Past level like 8 he just gets destroyed by vlad. HS needs to find a non-niche champion to play vs someone like vlad.
The olaf pick was fine, hotshot just got 3man raped in lane after wasting his mana, and he didn't focus ashe but focused maokai every single time.
Cris vee is a real bitch, asking 2nd place what their favourite part of the tourney was. Would've smacker her right there on stage.
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On April 09 2012 11:06 zulu_nation8 wrote:
I can't believe regi didn't dance with cristina vee
On the games,
- TSM copied M5 in running Ashe to stop split pushes
- Top and jungler decides games way more so than the other three roles combined, mid/bot are nearly equal in skill on almost every team that attended
- Not sure what Hotshot was thinking getting shurelia and double aegis
- Nerfing Irelia made the tournament level top lane champion pool even more limited
Woah woah woah. You srs? This tourney we saw Mundo, Lee Sin, Olaf, Vlad, Kennen, and GP top just off the top of my head. Compare that to last tourney when Irelia was picked in practically every single game.
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Are they done or is the final starting soon or what?
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