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LaNague
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Germany9118 Posts
April 09 2012 12:57 GMT
#6521
thats dyrus and he just doesnt give a damn.
wintergt
Profile Joined February 2010
Belgium1335 Posts
April 09 2012 13:37 GMT
#6522
Is there a VOD up yet for the finals? I fell asleep.
here i am
Sandster
Profile Joined November 2006
United States4054 Posts
April 09 2012 13:41 GMT
#6523
On April 09 2012 19:29 Jiroz wrote:
Being a sub 1000 elo scrub I probably shouldn't comment, but did anybody else find Hotshot's Olaf build seems very unusual? I think he went shurelia's first or something along those lines.


Hotshot's olaf is very...special.

I remember dyrus going "WTF?" on stream when he saw hotshot run flash/TP olaf. Even in the games they won with olaf, hotshot was getting more or less carried.

It's like how weak his Shen was a few weeks back - just because it's the new op top lane doesn't mean you don't need a heavy amount of practice with him to do well.
BlackMagister
Profile Joined October 2008
United States5834 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-09 14:15:47
April 09 2012 13:55 GMT
#6524
Vods
http://ipl4.leagueoflegends.com/galleries/videos/day-1

Oh Riot has all the Vods they are just unlisted.
GeorgeForeman
Profile Joined April 2005
United States1746 Posts
April 09 2012 13:56 GMT
#6525
On April 09 2012 22:37 wintergt wrote:
Is there a VOD up yet for the finals? I fell asleep.

Try this
like a school bus through a bunch of kids
wintergt
Profile Joined February 2010
Belgium1335 Posts
April 09 2012 14:35 GMT
#6526
On April 09 2012 22:55 BlackMagister wrote:
Vods
http://ipl4.leagueoflegends.com/galleries/videos/day-1

Oh Riot has all the Vods they are just unlisted.

Thanks, and they seem to be listed too now if you click 'day 3'.
here i am
emucxg
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Finland4559 Posts
April 09 2012 14:37 GMT
#6527
what runes does saint run on shyvana?
Crownlol
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States3726 Posts
April 09 2012 14:41 GMT
#6528
Dandinner, what a dreamboat.
shaGuar :: elemeNt :: XeqtR :: naikon :: method
Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
April 09 2012 15:00 GMT
#6529
On April 09 2012 23:37 emucxg wrote:
what runes does saint run on shyvana?

He used to run aspeed/armor/mr.lvl/armpen. I do not know if he has switched to the diamondprox ad/armor/as/ad page as of yet.
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
April 09 2012 15:33 GMT
#6530
On April 09 2012 23:37 emucxg wrote:
what runes does saint run on shyvana?


On NA, his page 16 is named Shyvana
AS FlatArmor MR/Level AD
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nyxnyxnyx
Profile Joined April 2010
Indonesia2978 Posts
April 09 2012 19:24 GMT
#6531
just finished watching all the clg vs tsm games (and also other clg games actually)

hotshotgg has to go, he blows so hard
cool beans
zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
April 09 2012 19:35 GMT
#6532
in chauster's ama on the clg forums, he said something like i believe hotshot can play support at a decent level, probably just giving him false confidence so chaugod can finally take a solo like he deserves. He also said something like I wanna try to playing different roles at tourney level. It's honestly pretty sad that arguably the most versatile and one of the best NA players is stuck playing support for his team simply because his team is so limited.
SpiritoftheTunA
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
United States20903 Posts
April 09 2012 19:37 GMT
#6533
On April 10 2012 04:24 nyxnyxnyx wrote:
just finished watching all the clg vs tsm games (and also other clg games actually)

hotshotgg has to go, he blows so hard

except he did really well the entire rest of the tournament?

i mean in terms of consistency, chaox was worse all tourney, he just pulled it through the last two games
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koreasilver
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
9109 Posts
April 09 2012 19:48 GMT
#6534
On April 10 2012 04:24 nyxnyxnyx wrote:
just finished watching all the clg vs tsm games (and also other clg games actually)

hotshotgg has to go, he blows so hard

Right, because he wasn't playing really well in the first set, right?
nyxnyxnyx
Profile Joined April 2010
Indonesia2978 Posts
April 09 2012 19:48 GMT
#6535
to examine if hsgg really did 'well', we first try to consider if what he did in the games he 'performed' were a direct result of his skill or his whole team making a play

hotshotgg is good at running around and being a giant PITA and not dying in general, but that's really all he's good for. it doesn't take skill to splitpush (although knowing when to B is indeed amazing) but he plays overly defensive so i don't give him credit for that. i would take voyboy over him any day and CLG probably knows it. hotshot easily the weakest link in CLG
cool beans
SpiritoftheTunA
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
United States20903 Posts
April 09 2012 19:52 GMT
#6536
On April 10 2012 04:48 nyxnyxnyx wrote:
to examine if hsgg really did 'well', we first try to consider if what he did in the games he 'performed' were a direct result of his skill or his whole team making a play

hotshotgg is good at running around and being a giant PITA and not dying in general, but that's really all he's good for. it doesn't take skill to splitpush (although knowing when to B is indeed amazing) but he plays overly defensive so i don't give him credit for that. i would take voyboy over him any day and CLG probably knows it. hotshot easily the weakest link in CLG

voyboy's overaggression without knowledge of jungler position arguably knocked dignitas out of the tourney

also, his nid pretty much gives clg a free win because it's like the centerpiece of their tried and true poke comp. cho isn't super easy either, but he lands ruptures on ganks about half the time so his lane always has plenty of pressure
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Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-09 19:54:09
April 09 2012 19:53 GMT
#6537
HSGG has always been an overrated top. Its just the truth. He plays the most overrated position and is the most overrated player FOR that position.

Problem is that the majority of tops in lol have way too limited a selection of champs and way too high a variation of play, even at top level. There really is no consistently dominating top laner when it comes to tournament play, although Darien does come the closest when he is on lan.
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
SpiritoftheTunA
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
United States20903 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-09 20:00:31
April 09 2012 19:58 GMT
#6538
how is top the most overrated position? being able to follow up on a gank, being able to keep the creep line where you want it, being able to cover your jungle / invade the other, knowing when to go towards drag (and not lose 1-2 towers out of it), all takes plenty skill...

and the pool isn't horrible either: despite the loss of irelia, there's still olaf, singed, vlad, nid, cho, riven, ls, udyr, gp, yorick, swain, ryze, nunu, fiora, shen, lulu, cass, rumble, and the random AD that can sometimes show up there

though i'm not arguing with the fact that hotshot sucks at olaf and dyrus is the only one i've seen consistently do well with him top
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overt
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States9006 Posts
April 09 2012 20:00 GMT
#6539
On April 10 2012 04:53 Two_DoWn wrote:
Problem is that the majority of tops in lol have way too limited a selection of champs and way too high a variation of play, even at top level.


As someone who is most certainly not good at this game, I think that top lane is probably the hardest role during early game. Arguably hardest role all game long. The number of viable champions for top is huge, the chance that any top laner is well versed in every match up is pretty much nonexistent. Combine that with the fact that top is the most likely lane to get ganked or camped and you get one of the most silly experiences in video games. For example, was whoever played v8 when TreeEski played Mundo likely very well versed in that match up? Probably not, Mundo is a pretty rare solo top these days. What Hotshot experienced at all against Lulu top? Hell no because practically no one has done that and it's a new champion.

Like when you have a lane where bruisers are probably the closest thing to the norm yet you also have at least four or five APs who can run that lane as well as champions like Teemo it's a lot to ask of anyone to become well versed in every match up. It's a lot to ask of anyone to consistently win top lane. I've seen Dyrus, Hotshot, Voyboy, and practically every other top laner that's been in the pro scene for more than six months carry their team crazy hard from top lane while also fail and cost their team the game by losing top so hard.

tl;dr
Fuck top lane.
Lancer723
Profile Joined September 2011
United States486 Posts
April 09 2012 20:03 GMT
#6540
On April 10 2012 04:35 zulu_nation8 wrote:
in chauster's ama on the clg forums, he said something like i believe hotshot can play support at a decent level, probably just giving him false confidence so chaugod can finally take a solo like he deserves. He also said something like I wanna try to playing different roles at tourney level. It's honestly pretty sad that arguably the most versatile and one of the best NA players is stuck playing support for his team simply because his team is so limited.


Support is very difficult to play, I always had the belief that you want your best player on support, or at least the smartest and most versatile one. Look at what Xpecial does for TSM, he is that teams fricken rock, always solid, I thought he was TSM's overall best player this tourney.
LoL ID - Lancer723 Gold III
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