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On October 16 2011 09:18 DarkRise wrote:Show nested quote +On October 16 2011 03:03 Shikyo wrote:On October 16 2011 03:00 tyCe wrote:
Hotshot needs to stop taking farm from Chauster in mid-late game imo...
Chauster just not providing any threat at all atm. I noticed last game everyone always gave Ocelote farm, like Wickd too moved away and let Ocelotes kass farm whenever he was nearby and you know how well Oces kass did that game. I think that CLG has quite a bit to work on with the farm priority among other things It's not hotshot fault really, Chauster is like that which is so disappointing. He basically won't farm when bot tower is either gone or the opponents. Chauster just don't farm effectively and pretty much all the farm go to either SV or Hotshot. If you watch Ad players like Candypanda or Chaox, you will always see them free farm bot or pushed lanes. I watched IEM China and Chauster had 154 cs in late as kogmaw. Also Elementz admit it that Chauster never farm enough. CLG's bot lane are their weakest, Bigfat even started playing AD in his stream and many were expecting him to play bot in this tournament.
That may be true but when was the last time that you saw Hotshot forgo a farming opportunity when Chauster or Jiji was nearby? That's right, never. I mean, there are many things that CLG can improve on (like that bot lane, which seems to always get bullied), but if they haven't settled on simple things like farming priority and Hotshot's ego, then they have a long way to go before being the best team in the world again. Most of the recent games that they have won against top tier competition have been a result of individual skill and/or a lot of good calls from saintvicious, which is fine most of the time, but is certainly not enough to be the best in the world anymore.
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On October 16 2011 06:27 LaNague wrote:
oh man, watching MLG. LoL could really do with some quality casters like SC2 has.
Infact, if someone unfamiliar with the games would watch the streams he would think SC2 is the multimillion dollar-prize game with the millions of players and LoL is some game used as timefiller.
Well even SC2 only has 1 husky+day9 the rest are nowhere near as good. LoL casters just don't have much experience and really until spec mode and replays come out for public use I don't see things really improving.
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On October 16 2011 12:29 Drekor wrote:Show nested quote +On October 16 2011 06:27 LaNague wrote:
oh man, watching MLG. LoL could really do with some quality casters like SC2 has.
Infact, if someone unfamiliar with the games would watch the streams he would think SC2 is the multimillion dollar-prize game with the millions of players and LoL is some game used as timefiller. Well even SC2 only has 1 husky+day9 the rest are nowhere near as good. LoL casters just don't have much experience and really until spec mode and replays come out for public use I don't see things really improving.
Tastosis (Tasteless and Artosis), are the generally thought to be the best SC2 casters in the world. Day9 is probably 3rd, although he tends to scream randomly these days. The European casters at dreamhack are fantastic too, actually most sc2 casters who do major events are absolutely incredible.
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Wow, that's a boss hat.
I want.
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On October 16 2011 10:59 DanielZKlein wrote:
I couldn't agree more when it comes to casters. Joe and Deman are absolutely great, while people like Riv, Phreak and myself just do this while we don't have more pro casters. [Edit: just to clarify: I think that Phreak and Riv are outstanding casters] Me? I'm the last person who should have been casting, but I love the game so much and I'm talking about it a lot anyway, so I got hooked from the first time I casted. I think I do an okay job entertaining mainstream players, but I know I don't have a lot to offer for the high end. Which is fine.
Here's how I see it: yes, we've been super slow about getting spectator mode out, but it's coming, and once it's out there, I'll shift my priorities to enabling and encouraging new casters. There's SO MANY LoL players and so many of you guys understand the game at a super high level--there's GOT to be Apollos and Huskies and JPs out there, and eventually we'll have us a day9 as well, who takes it a step beyond, and maybe we'll even have a Tastosis of LoL.
It'll happen. Stuff happens slowly in the world of LoL, but let's not forget this is the first game Riot Games has developed and we basically started from scratch with our community. SC2 had about a decade of BW from the get go.
I'm completely amazed at how far we got and how quickly we got there, but this wasn't a sprint. We're a long haul freight train, and we're still picking up speed.
Zenon if you improve as a player/pick high elo brain I believe you have the ingredients to be a good caster.
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On October 16 2011 13:07 HawtLove wrote:Show nested quote +On October 16 2011 12:29 Drekor wrote:On October 16 2011 06:27 LaNague wrote:
oh man, watching MLG. LoL could really do with some quality casters like SC2 has.
Infact, if someone unfamiliar with the games would watch the streams he would think SC2 is the multimillion dollar-prize game with the millions of players and LoL is some game used as timefiller. Well even SC2 only has 1 husky+day9 the rest are nowhere near as good. LoL casters just don't have much experience and really until spec mode and replays come out for public use I don't see things really improving. Tastosis (Tasteless and Artosis), are the generally thought to be the best SC2 casters in the world. Day9 is probably 3rd, although he tends to scream randomly these days. The European casters at dreamhack are fantastic too, actually most sc2 casters who do major events are absolutely incredible.
I don't really agree but I guess it comes down to personal taste. Admittedly I don't remember the euro casters from DH very well at this point heh.
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On October 16 2011 10:59 DanielZKlein wrote:
I couldn't agree more when it comes to casters. Joe and Deman are absolutely great, while people like Riv, Phreak and myself just do this while we don't have more pro casters. [Edit: just to clarify: I think that Phreak and Riv are outstanding casters] Me? I'm the last person who should have been casting, but I love the game so much and I'm talking about it a lot anyway, so I got hooked from the first time I casted. I think I do an okay job entertaining mainstream players, but I know I don't have a lot to offer for the high end. Which is fine.
Here's how I see it: yes, we've been super slow about getting spectator mode out, but it's coming, and once it's out there, I'll shift my priorities to enabling and encouraging new casters. There's SO MANY LoL players and so many of you guys understand the game at a super high level--there's GOT to be Apollos and Huskies and JPs out there, and eventually we'll have us a day9 as well, who takes it a step beyond, and maybe we'll even have a Tastosis of LoL.
It'll happen. Stuff happens slowly in the world of LoL, but let's not forget this is the first game Riot Games has developed and we basically started from scratch with our community. SC2 had about a decade of BW from the get go.
I'm completely amazed at how far we got and how quickly we got there, but this wasn't a sprint. We're a long haul freight train, and we're still picking up speed.
Don't downplay yourself in the casting Zenon, I tbh much rather listened to you than Phreak. Joe is awesome though and for God's sake, either teach Phreak how to interview or let Joe or someone else do it. It was like his interviewees were talking to Rammus ok ok ok ok ok ok ok. His questions were fine, but he needs to learn to chill and relax while doing it.
But I have to get on that "things happen slowly point. For some parts of the development, yes it seems to be very slow *cough spectator mode cough*, but for say Champion development, it's too rapid. You get to play a couple of weeks and buum another appears. And let's be honest, the last 7 or so champs released all could have done with more work. How many of those champs you see on regular basis in tournament play? I can think of Talon, that's about it.
aand gg twitch.tv, the replays don't work for me, sigh.
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On October 16 2011 14:40 cascades wrote:Show nested quote +On October 16 2011 10:59 DanielZKlein wrote:
I couldn't agree more when it comes to casters. Joe and Deman are absolutely great, while people like Riv, Phreak and myself just do this while we don't have more pro casters. [Edit: just to clarify: I think that Phreak and Riv are outstanding casters] Me? I'm the last person who should have been casting, but I love the game so much and I'm talking about it a lot anyway, so I got hooked from the first time I casted. I think I do an okay job entertaining mainstream players, but I know I don't have a lot to offer for the high end. Which is fine.
Here's how I see it: yes, we've been super slow about getting spectator mode out, but it's coming, and once it's out there, I'll shift my priorities to enabling and encouraging new casters. There's SO MANY LoL players and so many of you guys understand the game at a super high level--there's GOT to be Apollos and Huskies and JPs out there, and eventually we'll have us a day9 as well, who takes it a step beyond, and maybe we'll even have a Tastosis of LoL.
It'll happen. Stuff happens slowly in the world of LoL, but let's not forget this is the first game Riot Games has developed and we basically started from scratch with our community. SC2 had about a decade of BW from the get go.
I'm completely amazed at how far we got and how quickly we got there, but this wasn't a sprint. We're a long haul freight train, and we're still picking up speed. Zenon and TreeEskimo if you improve as a player/pick high elo brain I believe you have the ingredients to be a good caster.
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On October 16 2011 15:38 daemir wrote:
And let's be honest, the last 7 or so champs released all could have done with more work. How many of those champs you see on regular basis in tournament play? I can think of Talon, that's about it.
Last 7 champions: Xerath, Riven, Talon, Skarner, Wukong, Leona, Yorick
Xerath just released, so irrelevant. Riven disabled for most of recent tournies, so irrelevant.
Talon picked heavily overall. Yorick picked/banned heavily by certain teams. Leona is pretty mediocre, Wukong is HUGELY underrated and Dignitas has already said expect to see Voyboy playing him soon, and Skarner just got huge buffs to his only weakness. So, out of the gate you have 40% of the new champs (2 of 5) being picked in live tournament play with 2 more very likely to make an appearance soon.
Of the two other new champs: Xerath will probably be a top pick/ban once teams have time to practice him. Riven has already been tossed around on several teams as a possible top or jungle pick (played in skirms), but nobody has practiced her enough to feel confident enough to play her at a live event. I suspect Riven will be a more niche pick.
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I've seen Yorick played by Rainman and...?? Talon is really the only one seen more regular play. SK has scrimmed with leona support, but that's about it. Wukong, underrated or not, has not seen play. SV jungles him on his stream, haven't seen much anyone else play it. Riven, just doesn't seem to offer anything to a team comp. SV again jungled her, but then again SV has jungled pretty much every champ on his stream so that don't say much (hi Xerath jungle, that was horrible :D)
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Tree is a player. I highly doubt he'd "settle" down to be a caster. He played competitive DotA and he enjoys tournaments.
@Zenon: I have to admit that your casting initially rubbed me the wrong way. You were a huge EU fan and your bias affected your casting, pre-game opinions, etc (didn't help that I was a NA fan either, haha). However, I honestly think you've come a long way since Gamescon and you've really grown on me. You have an energetic passion that shows through your casting. Yet you don't get too excited where you just ramble on aimlessly. I know that you're the EU Community Manager but I hope you do spend more time in the very near future honing your casting skills.
Lastly, you're a part of TL now. We see browsing our little subforum in between tournament games. You give us shoutouts here and there. :3 You have our communal support behind you 100%. I personally hope to see you commit yourself more to casting.
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Honestly, if nothing else, Zenon interacts with the EU player community on a regular basis-which gives him a huge amount of knowledge to draw on as a caster when it comes to filling time. I like Zenon's player anecdotes much more than Phreak's bad jokes.
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Watched part of the group stages and the CLG vs SK semifinal. Most interesting game by far was Sypher vs Crs when Sypher ran Nasus/Karth/GP/Taric/Cait and completely outcomped CRS. I can't think of a stronger comp on paper than what they ran. Nyph should be the runaway MVP winner, no one else comes close.
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Is there a schedule for today's games anyone could link me to please? Thanks!
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On October 16 2011 17:04 TheYango wrote:
Honestly, if nothing else, Zenon interacts with the EU player community on a regular basis-which gives him a huge amount of knowledge to draw on as a caster when it comes to filling time. I like Zenon's player anecdotes much more than Phreak's bad jokes.
As much as I like his stories its his love of everything Shushei is what won me over.
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On October 16 2011 22:12 Haemonculus wrote:
Is there a schedule for today's games anyone could link me to please? Thanks!
the schedule is in the OP already
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On October 16 2011 22:25 InFdude wrote:Show nested quote +On October 16 2011 06:27 LaNague wrote:
oh man, watching MLG. LoL could really do with some quality casters like SC2 has.
Infact, if someone unfamiliar with the games would watch the streams he would think SC2 is the multimillion dollar-prize game with the millions of players and LoL is some game used as timefiller. I don't like overly excited commentators and fake tension build ups.
Then why dont you want someone like tastosis? They will actualy say when a game is over unlike Phreak who keeps talking about ways to come back when a team has double the gold, 5 vs 0 turrets and all dragons...
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