• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EST 17:56
CET 23:56
KST 07:56
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL22] Finals Preview: Sweet Victory!12[ASL22] Ro4 Preview: Mirror Mirror6[ASL22] Ro8 Preview: Within Reach5[ASL22] Ro8 Preview: In A Tizzy11[ASL22] Ro16 Preview: Holy Diver5
Community News
Weekly Cups (October 19-25): Clem triples first in 5.0.175Evil Geniuses - shutting down21ISSL (IntoTheTV x SOOP SC2 League): Premier7Weekly Cups (October 12-18): 5.0.17 era begins1[$1250] International ShieldBattery League99
StarCraft 2
General
How do you feel about the mass reverts in the 5.0.17 PTR? No more SC2 streamers on team liquid? Behind the Blue - Team Liquid History Book 5.0.17 Patch Notes - October 7, 2026 Evil Geniuses - shutting down
Tourneys
ISSL (IntoTheTV x SOOP SC2 League): Premier Stellar Fest TWO the Moon (Dec 16-20) Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament RSL goes to London! 2026 Offline Finals Nov 21-22 RSL 2026 Offline Finals LCQ Sign-Ups
Strategy
[H] ZvP Mid-Late Game: Stalkers Collossi HT
Custom Maps
[D] the control group Simple Questions/Answers [G] How to playtest arcade maps [A] Nemrods 1/4 players
External Content
Mutation # 550 Graveyard Shift The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 549 Endless Sparkles Mutation # 548 Shining Bright
Brood War
General
Rollback Netcode in Brood War How SKT1 S-Tiers Felt To Be Swept By Flash Top Players of October 2026 (EBPD Rankings) BW General Discussion Sagi.gg Launcher Released
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues 2v2v2v2 Tournament Stage 1: Community Poll [IPSL] IPSL Winter 26-27 Ro24 is HERE! [$1250] International ShieldBattery League
Strategy
50,000-Word Terran Builds Memo 2026-10-22 Cliff Jump Revisited (1 in a 1000 strategy) Simple Questions, Simple Answers
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Nintendo Switch Thread Deus Ex 3!? Mobile Legends: Bang Bang Armies of Exigo - YesYes?
Dota 2
Dota 2 Champions League Season 3 Begins April 25!
League of Legends
[TL LoL EUW IHs] Teemo shall perish
Heroes of the Storm
Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine The Chess Thread Canadian Politics Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
Fan Club Resource Thread Reynor Fan Club The Flash Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread Movie Discussion! [Manga] One Piece
Sports
Football (Soccer) Thread TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 MLB/Baseball 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
Recent Gifted Posts
Blogs
Why I built Repalyzer (1.1.…
BlueStar
Innovate or Game Over?
TrAiDoS
ShieldBattery on Mac
Kraekkling
[ASL22] Ro4 Day1 Ticket Giv…
bITt.mAN
Can Bots Beat Pros?? Starcr…
namkraft
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 10301 users

[IEM] New York Discussion - Page 129

Forum Index > LoL Tournaments
Post a Reply
Prev 1 127 128 129 130 131 169 Next
Blitzkrieg0
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States13132 Posts
October 15 2011 18:20 GMT
#2561
On October 16 2011 03:14 Two_DoWn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 16 2011 03:10 NeoIllusions wrote:
On October 16 2011 03:09 Shikyo wrote:
On October 16 2011 03:07 Two_DoWn wrote:
This sort of compounds my dislike of trundle. I just never see him make all that much of a difference.

Honestly I've never seen Saint make any difference no matter what he plays


What? This is probably the most inane comment I've read from you.

I dunno, there are plenty to chose from.

And yes, pillar is a great skill, and I have seen some great pillars that make a difference. I just dont think that on balance, a single skill can make up for a weaker kit overall. I mean, Zilean has his ult, but 3 other skills that are good to great. Trundle has pillar.


Trundle's ultimate goes unnoticed far too often.
I'll always be your shadow and veil your eyes from states of ain soph aur.
clickrush
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Switzerland3257 Posts
October 15 2011 18:23 GMT
#2562
I've seen the second clg vs sk game. clg had like 0 synergy in their teamcomp. they had like a poke/kiting comp with kassadin in it which makes no sense. Put malz/aniv into there and they would have way better chances. besides that: hsgg was the only one who won his lane. Understandable that bottom had trouble after fb gold on vayne but kassadin vs gragas shouldn't be as big of a deal to excuse jiji being so terribly behind. I even dare to say that kassadin has an advantage over gragas if played aggressive enough. I think what elementz said about their issues holds true. Jiji is not as scary as he should be. saintv playing trundle all the time because he wants to doesnt help either.
oGsMC: Zealot defense, Stalker attack, Sentry forcefieldu forcefieldu, Marauder die die
Attakijing
Profile Joined June 2011
United States693 Posts
October 15 2011 18:24 GMT
#2563
On October 16 2011 03:19 Cel.erity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 16 2011 03:12 Woony wrote:
On October 16 2011 03:11 Eppa! wrote:
On October 16 2011 03:10 ExoFun wrote:
Real gayshit... in europe the stream arnt working... went with a vpn(ip adress in USA) and it worked.

GG IEM after 6 seasons still cant run a perfect event.

Isn't that just twitch tv?


Yes, they've had a lot of problems with stream lag in the past. They are trying hard to fix but it's still pretty bad if there is such a major stream lag at an event.


For clarity, how exactly have they tried hard to fix it? I'm just curious because they've known about this issue for the past 8+ months and every tournament seems to be worse than the last.

this will keep being an issue for as long as they continue choosing new venues and hosting services
Emnel
Profile Joined October 2011
Greece384 Posts
October 15 2011 18:26 GMT
#2564
On October 16 2011 03:19 DanielZKlein wrote:
It's kind of karmic. NA vs NA finals in Cologne, EU vs EU finals in New York.

Yeah, looks like that EU split really made a difference back then. Now they are back on track.
Nasus feeds as he pleases.
Ledcaveman
Profile Joined March 2011
100 Posts
October 15 2011 18:28 GMT
#2565
Couldn't even watch CLG vs SK, because the stream didn't even load. GG twitch tv
Emnel
Profile Joined October 2011
Greece384 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-15 18:35:12
October 15 2011 18:32 GMT
#2566
On October 16 2011 03:23 clickrush wrote:
I've seen the second clg vs sk game. clg had like 0 synergy in their teamcomp. they had like a poke/kiting comp with kassadin in it which makes no sense. Put malz/aniv into there and they would have way better chances. besides that: hsgg was the only one who won his lane. Understandable that bottom had trouble after fb gold on vayne but kassadin vs gragas shouldn't be as big of a deal to excuse jiji being so terribly behind. I even dare to say that kassadin has an advantage over gragas if played aggressive enough. I think what elementz said about their issues holds true. Jiji is not as scary as he should be. saintv playing trundle all the time because he wants to doesnt help either.

yeah, i thng thats the point. NA team members just tend to play their mains (see Crs interview yesterday) when EU plays with full team comps. When one champion changes 2 or 3 other follow.
And when you combine that synergy with their teamplay thngs like this happen. NA really has to step up their game. Thay are probably on level of Sypher but way behind SK or Fnatic.

Also EU are so damn agressive compared to NA. They are not afraid to go in and trade few kills for few more, and than do it again and again. Instead of sitting outside of base and poke at the tower they do retarded nexus dives :| It reminds high end DotA matches.
Nasus feeds as he pleases.
Redox
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany24794 Posts
October 15 2011 18:33 GMT
#2567
On October 16 2011 03:23 clickrush wrote:
besides that: hsgg was the only one who won his lane.

How did he win the lane? He was never ahead in cs, got no tower, no kill.
Not sure what you are referring to.
Off-season = best season
JohannesClimacus
Profile Joined October 2011
United Kingdom66 Posts
October 15 2011 18:34 GMT
#2568
On October 16 2011 03:14 DanielZKlein wrote:
Fnatic vs SK. My dream finals. I'm happy.


Careful daniel; people might accuse you of bias again!

Incidentally I did want to ask your thoughts when Phreak used your name as a byword for bias while casting the other day. Must have raised a smile.

I'm also really looking forward to the final.
Takkara
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2503 Posts
October 15 2011 18:36 GMT
#2569
On October 16 2011 03:13 Redox wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 16 2011 02:44 Takkara wrote:
For all the people surprised that CLG is doing so badly, I'm equally if not more surprised that SK is doing this well. This is a team that was facing tremendous internal strife, people were saying their jungler was total shit, and they needed a wonky tiebreaker rule to get out of groups at IEM China. Amazing. SK was a team that looked like it may have been close to just breaking apart due to stress, but they've really come to play this weekend.

Sk has been doing good since their new lineup formed, and have been consistently improving. They have been VERY content with their new jungler. And people saying they would breakup after a 3rd place in China was just beyond ridiculous.

Maybe you should not take serious every nonsense that is written in the forums. In most cases it has not much to do with reality.


I watch their Go4LoL streams every time I can. I do like SK a lot, but no one can deny that going into China they were under a LOT of pressure. If they were on the other side of the tie breaker and got bounced early from that tournament, I think things could be really different. They were under a lot of sponsor pressure, it seemed, to perform to their talent. That tie breaker happened, they placed well in China and now seem to be surging.

I don't mean to imply that I didn't think SK was good, but for all the struggles they seemed to be going through, they came out like a team possessed this weekend. Good to see them surging.
Gee gee gee gee baby baby baby
Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17303 Posts
October 15 2011 18:40 GMT
#2570
SK (the sponsor) is pretty shitty in its business practices. There are a lot of stories about it from different games over the years. It really wouldn't have surprised me to have seen them break up, even in part, or leave to another sponsor.
twitch.tv/cratonz
Jacobs Ladder
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1705 Posts
October 15 2011 19:12 GMT
#2571
Ugh, I really dislike SK. I'm sad to see them in the finals and pray the delightful Fnatic kick their asses.
Sandster
Profile Joined November 2006
United States4054 Posts
October 15 2011 19:30 GMT
#2572
Does anyone know when the reruns are?
red_
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8474 Posts
October 15 2011 19:40 GMT
#2573
On October 16 2011 03:32 Emnel wrote:
NA really has to step up their game. Thay are probably on level of Sypher but way behind SK or Fnatic.


This kind of in the moment ranking is silly. As referenced, it wasn't very long ago that EU was blanked out of the finals at their 'home' tourney, and CLG beat SK in China a little more than a week ago. Some people had some less than stellar play in this tourney and it caused losses, the same way that some EU players were less than stellar in their losses in previous tournies(Wickd was fucking terrible at Cologne, like, disgracefully bad). Sypher wouldn't even be in this tourney to begin with had it not been for mediocre play from a Millennium squad that most would call 'a better team.'

This is a very volatile game, especially with new patches every 2 weeks, results are going to be awkward with potential for huge swings.
How did the experience of working at Mr Burns' Nuclear Plant influence Homer's composition of the Iliad and Odyssey?
bobwhiz
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States725 Posts
October 15 2011 20:13 GMT
#2574
On October 16 2011 04:40 red_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 16 2011 03:32 Emnel wrote:
NA really has to step up their game. Thay are probably on level of Sypher but way behind SK or Fnatic.


This kind of in the moment ranking is silly. As referenced, it wasn't very long ago that EU was blanked out of the finals at their 'home' tourney, and CLG beat SK in China a little more than a week ago. Some people had some less than stellar play in this tourney and it caused losses, the same way that some EU players were less than stellar in their losses in previous tournies(Wickd was fucking terrible at Cologne, like, disgracefully bad). Sypher wouldn't even be in this tourney to begin with had it not been for mediocre play from a Millennium squad that most would call 'a better team.'

This is a very volatile game, especially with new patches every 2 weeks, results are going to be awkward with potential for huge swings.


This. And team games, much like team chemistry are a hard thing to master. Sometimes moods can affect how aggressively a player plays, and predicting how things will match up is chancy at best. We're still early in the pro-Lol meta. Remember early SC days- the winners were sometimes ridiculously cheesy players (Bitbybit, MC to an extent). At this tournament, we may have 8 teams considered good, but maybe only 5-10 amazing players between them. Let the meta settle, and we'll see some truly dominant teams. I think if an LOL team from 6 months ago were to come back and play on their patch at the time they'd still be crushed.
Signatures are simply a cover for having no personality. -Kiante
clickrush
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Switzerland3257 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-15 20:23:02
October 15 2011 20:22 GMT
#2575
first time someone uses "metagame" correctly on the lol subforum!
oGsMC: Zealot defense, Stalker attack, Sentry forcefieldu forcefieldu, Marauder die die
Lunko
Profile Joined October 2011
Slovenia72 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-15 20:34:19
October 15 2011 20:28 GMT
#2576
On October 16 2011 04:30 Sandster wrote:
Does anyone know when the reruns are?


No reruns since they already uploaded all the games on the twich tv.
http://de.twitch.tv/esltv_event2/b/297541548 SK VS CLG


http://de.twitch.tv/esltv_event2/b/297532733 Fnatic vs Sypher

, and on bottom you have other links aswell to other games.
Trololo
-Zoda-
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
France3578 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-15 20:46:27
October 15 2011 20:42 GMT
#2577
On October 16 2011 03:03 Shikyo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 16 2011 03:00 tyCe wrote:
Hotshot needs to stop taking farm from Chauster in mid-late game imo...

Chauster just not providing any threat at all atm.

I noticed last game everyone always gave Ocelote farm, like Wickd too moved away and let Ocelotes kass farm whenever he was nearby and you know how well Oces kass did that game. I think that CLG has quite a bit to work on with the farm priority among other things

This is an important point. Having Saintvicious systematically with more CS than Chauster didn't help them at all at IPL.

And I don't understand what problems do you have with Twitch. Aside from my bandwith problems, I didn't have troubles watching and I have spent hundred of hours watching starcraft II on Justin.tv streams since the beggining of the year.

Edit: And IPL was on twitch.tv too, noone did complain as far as I can remember.
♪ 最初はi つなぐdo それ つまりlife 常に移動 ♪ - IGN: Uhryks
Shelke14
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada6655 Posts
October 15 2011 21:00 GMT
#2578
SK vs Fnatic.... What is this 2008 CS 1.6 :D
Haemonculus
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
United States6980 Posts
October 15 2011 21:09 GMT
#2579
So they're down to the finals, correct? Sk vs Fnatic tomorrow then?
I admire your commitment to being *very* oily
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
October 15 2011 21:15 GMT
#2580
Bad Morg. L2OP.

Finals: fnatic v SK
3rd: CLG v Sypher
ModeratorFor the Glory that is TeamLiquid (-9 | 155) | Discord: NeoIllusions#1984
Prev 1 127 128 129 130 131 169 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 4m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
Nina 946
Nathanias 119
SpeCial 81
RushiSC 15
StarCraft: Brood War
Bisu 1285
ProTech199
HiyA 68
Aegong 48
910 24
Dota 2
capcasts99
LuMiX1
League of Legends
Doublelift3599
Counter-Strike
allub347
PGG 81
Super Smash Bros
PPMD19
Heroes of the Storm
Grubby4143
Other Games
summit1g8383
tarik_tv7504
Liquid`RaSZi2620
shahzam467
XaKoH 201
C9.Mang0125
syndereN121
Mew2King62
Organizations
Counter-Strike
PGL447
Other Games
BasetradeTV58
StarCraft: Brood War
lovetv 11
[ Show 15 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• Laughngamez YouTube
• Migwel
StarCraft: Brood War
• Eskiya23 20
• Pr0nogo 2
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• masondota21211
Other Games
• Shiphtur672
• imaqtpie668
• WagamamaTV244
Upcoming Events
Replay Cast
4m
Rogue vs Classic
Patches Events
14h 4m
PiGosaur Cup
1d 2h
Kung Fu Cup
1d 12h
Replay Cast
2 days
The PondCast
2 days
KCM Race Survival
2 days
OSC
2 days
IntoTheTV X SOOP
4 days
Reynor vs Solar
ByuN vs SHIN
Clem vs MaxPax
herO vs Rogue
WardiTV Invitational
4 days
[ Show More ]
IPSL
4 days
WorsT vs nOmaD
Dewalt vs andersOn
IntoTheTV X SOOP
5 days
WardiTV Invitational
5 days
IPSL
5 days
Azhi_Dahaki vs ggnore13
Double vs WIZARD
Replay Cast
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2026-11-01
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
HCC Season 3

Ongoing

Acropolis #5
KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 4
International ShieldBattery League
BSL Season 23
IPSL Winter 2026-27
Proleague 2026-11-02
Calamity Cup Div. A Season 8
IEM Beijing 2026
PGL Masters Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 5
1win Private Club #2
Thunderpick World Champ. '26
ESL Pro League Season 24
Stake Ranked Episode 4
1win Private Club #1
Logitech G Play Connect 2026
SL StarSeries Fall 2026
FISSURE Playground #3
BLAST Open Fall 2026
Esports World Cup 2026

Upcoming

1xBet Invitational
SC4ALL II: Brood War
BSL 23: Non-Korean Championship
HSC XXX
Stellar Fest 2: Lunar Cup
SC4ALL II: StarCraft II
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
RSL Offline Finals
BLAST Bounty Winter 2027
eXTREMESLAND 2026
PGL Major Singapore 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 6
BLAST Rivals Fall 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.