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On October 16 2011 03:14 Two_DoWn wrote:Show nested quote +On October 16 2011 03:10 NeoIllusions wrote:On October 16 2011 03:09 Shikyo wrote:On October 16 2011 03:07 Two_DoWn wrote:
This sort of compounds my dislike of trundle. I just never see him make all that much of a difference. Honestly I've never seen Saint make any difference no matter what he plays What? This is probably the most inane comment I've read from you. I dunno, there are plenty to chose from. And yes, pillar is a great skill, and I have seen some great pillars that make a difference. I just dont think that on balance, a single skill can make up for a weaker kit overall. I mean, Zilean has his ult, but 3 other skills that are good to great. Trundle has pillar.
Trundle's ultimate goes unnoticed far too often.
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I've seen the second clg vs sk game. clg had like 0 synergy in their teamcomp. they had like a poke/kiting comp with kassadin in it which makes no sense. Put malz/aniv into there and they would have way better chances. besides that: hsgg was the only one who won his lane. Understandable that bottom had trouble after fb gold on vayne but kassadin vs gragas shouldn't be as big of a deal to excuse jiji being so terribly behind. I even dare to say that kassadin has an advantage over gragas if played aggressive enough. I think what elementz said about their issues holds true. Jiji is not as scary as he should be. saintv playing trundle all the time because he wants to doesnt help either.
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On October 16 2011 03:19 Cel.erity wrote:Show nested quote +On October 16 2011 03:12 Woony wrote:On October 16 2011 03:11 Eppa! wrote:On October 16 2011 03:10 ExoFun wrote:
Real gayshit... in europe the stream arnt working... went with a vpn(ip adress in USA) and it worked.
GG IEM after 6 seasons still cant run a perfect event. Isn't that just twitch tv? Yes, they've had a lot of problems with stream lag in the past. They are trying hard to fix but it's still pretty bad if there is such a major stream lag at an event. For clarity, how exactly have they tried hard to fix it? I'm just curious because they've known about this issue for the past 8+ months and every tournament seems to be worse than the last.
this will keep being an issue for as long as they continue choosing new venues and hosting services
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On October 16 2011 03:19 DanielZKlein wrote:
It's kind of karmic. NA vs NA finals in Cologne, EU vs EU finals in New York.
Yeah, looks like that EU split really made a difference back then. Now they are back on track.
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Couldn't even watch CLG vs SK, because the stream didn't even load. GG twitch tv
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On October 16 2011 03:23 clickrush wrote:
I've seen the second clg vs sk game. clg had like 0 synergy in their teamcomp. they had like a poke/kiting comp with kassadin in it which makes no sense. Put malz/aniv into there and they would have way better chances. besides that: hsgg was the only one who won his lane. Understandable that bottom had trouble after fb gold on vayne but kassadin vs gragas shouldn't be as big of a deal to excuse jiji being so terribly behind. I even dare to say that kassadin has an advantage over gragas if played aggressive enough. I think what elementz said about their issues holds true. Jiji is not as scary as he should be. saintv playing trundle all the time because he wants to doesnt help either.
yeah, i thng thats the point. NA team members just tend to play their mains (see Crs interview yesterday) when EU plays with full team comps. When one champion changes 2 or 3 other follow.
And when you combine that synergy with their teamplay thngs like this happen. NA really has to step up their game. Thay are probably on level of Sypher but way behind SK or Fnatic.
Also EU are so damn agressive compared to NA. They are not afraid to go in and trade few kills for few more, and than do it again and again. Instead of sitting outside of base and poke at the tower they do retarded nexus dives :| It reminds high end DotA matches.
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On October 16 2011 03:23 clickrush wrote:
besides that: hsgg was the only one who won his lane.
How did he win the lane? He was never ahead in cs, got no tower, no kill.
Not sure what you are referring to.
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On October 16 2011 03:14 DanielZKlein wrote:
Fnatic vs SK. My dream finals. I'm happy.
Careful daniel; people might accuse you of bias again!
Incidentally I did want to ask your thoughts when Phreak used your name as a byword for bias while casting the other day. Must have raised a smile.
I'm also really looking forward to the final.
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On October 16 2011 03:13 Redox wrote:Show nested quote +On October 16 2011 02:44 Takkara wrote:
For all the people surprised that CLG is doing so badly, I'm equally if not more surprised that SK is doing this well. This is a team that was facing tremendous internal strife, people were saying their jungler was total shit, and they needed a wonky tiebreaker rule to get out of groups at IEM China. Amazing. SK was a team that looked like it may have been close to just breaking apart due to stress, but they've really come to play this weekend. Sk has been doing good since their new lineup formed, and have been consistently improving. They have been VERY content with their new jungler. And people saying they would breakup after a 3rd place in China was just beyond ridiculous. Maybe you should not take serious every nonsense that is written in the forums. In most cases it has not much to do with reality.
I watch their Go4LoL streams every time I can. I do like SK a lot, but no one can deny that going into China they were under a LOT of pressure. If they were on the other side of the tie breaker and got bounced early from that tournament, I think things could be really different. They were under a lot of sponsor pressure, it seemed, to perform to their talent. That tie breaker happened, they placed well in China and now seem to be surging.
I don't mean to imply that I didn't think SK was good, but for all the struggles they seemed to be going through, they came out like a team possessed this weekend. Good to see them surging.
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SK (the sponsor) is pretty shitty in its business practices. There are a lot of stories about it from different games over the years. It really wouldn't have surprised me to have seen them break up, even in part, or leave to another sponsor.
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Ugh, I really dislike SK. I'm sad to see them in the finals and pray the delightful Fnatic kick their asses.
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Does anyone know when the reruns are?
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On October 16 2011 03:32 Emnel wrote:
NA really has to step up their game. Thay are probably on level of Sypher but way behind SK or Fnatic.
This kind of in the moment ranking is silly. As referenced, it wasn't very long ago that EU was blanked out of the finals at their 'home' tourney, and CLG beat SK in China a little more than a week ago. Some people had some less than stellar play in this tourney and it caused losses, the same way that some EU players were less than stellar in their losses in previous tournies(Wickd was fucking terrible at Cologne, like, disgracefully bad). Sypher wouldn't even be in this tourney to begin with had it not been for mediocre play from a Millennium squad that most would call 'a better team.'
This is a very volatile game, especially with new patches every 2 weeks, results are going to be awkward with potential for huge swings.
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On October 16 2011 04:40 red_ wrote:Show nested quote +On October 16 2011 03:32 Emnel wrote:
NA really has to step up their game. Thay are probably on level of Sypher but way behind SK or Fnatic. This kind of in the moment ranking is silly. As referenced, it wasn't very long ago that EU was blanked out of the finals at their 'home' tourney, and CLG beat SK in China a little more than a week ago. Some people had some less than stellar play in this tourney and it caused losses, the same way that some EU players were less than stellar in their losses in previous tournies(Wickd was fucking terrible at Cologne, like, disgracefully bad). Sypher wouldn't even be in this tourney to begin with had it not been for mediocre play from a Millennium squad that most would call 'a better team.' This is a very volatile game, especially with new patches every 2 weeks, results are going to be awkward with potential for huge swings.
This. And team games, much like team chemistry are a hard thing to master. Sometimes moods can affect how aggressively a player plays, and predicting how things will match up is chancy at best. We're still early in the pro-Lol meta. Remember early SC days- the winners were sometimes ridiculously cheesy players (Bitbybit, MC to an extent). At this tournament, we may have 8 teams considered good, but maybe only 5-10 amazing players between them. Let the meta settle, and we'll see some truly dominant teams. I think if an LOL team from 6 months ago were to come back and play on their patch at the time they'd still be crushed.
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first time someone uses "metagame" correctly on the lol subforum!
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On October 16 2011 03:03 Shikyo wrote:Show nested quote +On October 16 2011 03:00 tyCe wrote:
Hotshot needs to stop taking farm from Chauster in mid-late game imo...
Chauster just not providing any threat at all atm. I noticed last game everyone always gave Ocelote farm, like Wickd too moved away and let Ocelotes kass farm whenever he was nearby and you know how well Oces kass did that game. I think that CLG has quite a bit to work on with the farm priority among other things
This is an important point. Having Saintvicious systematically with more CS than Chauster didn't help them at all at IPL.
And I don't understand what problems do you have with Twitch. Aside from my bandwith problems, I didn't have troubles watching and I have spent hundred of hours watching starcraft II on Justin.tv streams since the beggining of the year.
Edit: And IPL was on twitch.tv too, noone did complain as far as I can remember.
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SK vs Fnatic.... What is this 2008 CS 1.6 :D
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So they're down to the finals, correct? Sk vs Fnatic tomorrow then?
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United States37500 Posts
Bad Morg. L2OP. 
Finals: fnatic v SK
3rd: CLG v Sypher
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EPT
