On October 03 2011 15:06 Aurdon wrote:
"Let's back off, buy, get baron, and do the final push to win!"
"Fuck that! We gotta win now there might be a tie! GoGoGo!"

Thats exactly what I am worried about.

Forced to play aggressive when its not even necessary.

Lunko

Slovenia72 Posts

October 03 2011 06:10 GMT

#742

The fact that the time was a tie breaker for last couple of events in moba games shouldnt rly supprise anybody. The same tie breaker was set for dota2 tournament last time aswell. Everytime a team was loosing they wanted to buy those extra seconds before loosing.

Its a normal tie breaker. Since you cant go by rounds or whatever like in fps games

Cixah

United States11285 Posts

October 03 2011 06:11 GMT

#743

On October 03 2011 15:09 KaveDizzle wrote:
What day are we on right now for IEM?

Day 1 got canned due to client errors, they are cramming days 1 and 2 into right now.

JBright

Vancouver14381 Posts

October 03 2011 06:11 GMT

#744

On October 03 2011 15:08 Shiragaku wrote:

Show nested quote +

What did DotA or HoN do when faced with events like this?

I'm pretty sure that the 1 million DotA 2 tournament also used game times.

On October 03 2011 15:07 tobi9999 wrote:

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Lets compare to SC

Cheesing and winning with 4pool is obviously better than playing macro game np

Obviously SC tournaments don't tend to have bo1 but that's why I drew up the comparison. Technically this method is better than the coin flip they had a DH a few months back

taLbuk

Madagascar1879 Posts

October 03 2011 06:12 GMT

#745

On October 03 2011 15:10 Lunko wrote:
The fact that the time was a tie breaker for last couple of events in moba games shouldnt rly supprise anybody. The same tie breaker was set for dota2 tournament last time aswell. Everytime a team was loosing they wanted to buy those extra seconds before loosing.

Its a normal tie breaker. Since you cant go by rounds or whatever like in fps games

LoL and DotA and the meaning of "time" are not applicable to eachother IMO.

DarkRise

1644 Posts

October 03 2011 06:12 GMT

#746

I don't like that system. Somewhat unfair and i feel really bad for IG
Shoulda done an offline tiebreaker
but kinda understand why they did it because they're so behind schedule thanks to fail server/client.

TheYango

United States47024 Posts

October 03 2011 06:13 GMT

#747

There's also the fact that 2 DCs were involved.

You can argue that the DCs might not have affected the final outcomes of the games, but when game-times are being used as tie-breakers? They'll DEFINITELY have an effect on that.

taLbuk

Madagascar1879 Posts

October 03 2011 06:13 GMT

#748

On October 03 2011 15:12 DarkRise wrote:
I don't like that system.
Shoulda done an offline tiebreaker
but kinda understand why they did it because they're so behind schedule thanks to fail server/client.

IEM rules are in place far before the event, it's not like they just decided that is how they will decide a 3 way-tie.

Lunko

Slovenia72 Posts

October 03 2011 06:13 GMT

#749

What im trying to say people here raging, there is not a better way to decide a tie breaker in LoL there really isnt. Thats why time is allways gonna be a tie breaker in moba games. unless its bo3 or bo5 where rounds can be a factor.

dtz

5834 Posts

October 03 2011 06:14 GMT

#750

Yeah in dota/dota 2 they also used the time rating. I think it's ok as long as the teams are well informed about the rule beforehand. Pretty hard to decide on a fair tiebreaker anywayother than replaying the games between the tied teams

I remember Navi was winning handily against scythe in group stage and when scythe said GG and about to leave, Navi kindly told them " stay, don't leave till throne is dead" because apparently they are cool with each other and stuff and navi reminded them that time rating counts for tiebreakers.

Misder

United States1557 Posts

October 03 2011 06:15 GMT

#751

How bout they can use game times as a tiebreaker only if there are no D/Cs.

Gorsameth

Netherlands22239 Posts

October 03 2011 06:15 GMT

#752

Remember the usual way to resolve a 3 way tie like this is for 2 teams to play and then loser plays the 3e team untill a team loses 2 games in a row.

That is a minimum of 3 games which right now took them about 4 hours to do. If they need more then 3 it becomes a total nightmare. They cant fix this like they do in sc2 just because of the time needed to play even a single game.

[-Bluewolf-]

United States609 Posts

October 03 2011 06:17 GMT

#753

So - iG really should have been playing to simply last rather than to win the game. Should have picked a team composition around extending the game for as long as possible and play super passive to ensure their advancement. Attempting to make aggressive moves to win that game was simply not a smart move over just turtling.

Even that last stand was pretty stupid. Why fight at 1 inhibitor instead of the two towers at their nexus as they probably could have dragged it out longer there?

This time rule can be abused so badly in future events.

Lancer723

United States486 Posts

October 03 2011 06:19 GMT

#754

LoL by its very nature does not easily allow 3 way tie-breakers due to the extended amount of time it can take to play a single game.

This is not a good solution. But I can see why it was chosen.

I do not like it but I understand it.

overt

United States9006 Posts

October 03 2011 06:19 GMT

#755

No rum, but I have some whiskey. Incoming whiskey shots for every d/c here on out. Let's hope I survive the night.

Promises

Netherlands1821 Posts

October 03 2011 06:21 GMT

#756

I'm slightly confused as to how the timetable shifted now... Does anyone know when the group B games are going to start?

Blitzkrieg0

United States13132 Posts

October 03 2011 06:21 GMT

#757

Are the next round of games not gonna start until the top of the hour like the schedule says? I want to watch CLG play WE so bad but I also need to sleep at some point tonight

TheYango

United States47024 Posts

October 03 2011 06:21 GMT

#758

On October 03 2011 15:13 Lunko wrote:
What im trying to say people here raging, there is not a better way to decide a tie breaker in LoL there really isnt. Thats why time is allways gonna be a tie breaker in moba games. unless its bo3 or bo5 where rounds can be a factor.

There's a simple solution to this. If you can't afford to actually play tiebreakers in a round-robin format (OSL style groups), then you should just use a double-elimination group stage (MSL style groups).

The advantage of round-robin groups is that it's supposed to be more "fair" because in double-elim, the winner of the winner's game never plays the loser of the loser's game, but honestly the fairness argument goes out the window if you are using arbitrary statistics for tiebreakers.

Incidentally this actually SAVES time because the group-stage involves 5 games instead of 6.

isM

United States735 Posts

October 03 2011 06:22 GMT

#759

I don't really know how to better solve 3 way ties in LoL. The nature of a weekend lan that is already a day behind also makes it very difficult.

A side note: I miss de_nuke

Navi

5286 Posts

October 03 2011 06:22 GMT

#760

they should play it like msl double elim
winners play each other
winner of winners game advances
losers duke it out
winner of losers game plays loser of winner's game
winner of said match advances
no chance for tiebreakers, good for these time slated events that LoL is played in