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Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23335 Posts
August 19 2011 13:42 GMT
#1261
Except headshot only works after a teamfight and bullet time probably isn't so good versus bruisers that are diving on mf anyway.
It takes one arrow to end an even game and neither of those ults have that consistently. The team also constantly has to play more safely than usual becaues of the threat of an arrow, wasting flashes and things that could be teamfight deciding later.
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
August 19 2011 13:42 GMT
#1262
On August 19 2011 22:40 Aurdon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 19 2011 22:36 NeoIllusions wrote:
On August 19 2011 22:34 BlueBird. wrote:
Well semi - finals are decided, kind of curious how this third game plays out..

Is it possible a team tries to throw the game cause they would rather play vs Mill, instead of TSM, Do you still play the hardest possible and show your strat when it's possible you meet in the finals?

-_-


If I was CLG, I would try to take 2nd place in Group B. They're secured into semis, so try to take the easier bracket.

But not sure if they want to "play" the bracket like that.


Has CLG ever played Millennium before? Did they lose? Because they lost on more than one occasion to TSM and that was with Chauster and not Salce and not Jiji on AD.

Unless Millennium stomped CLG in the past at some point. I would think CLG would want to avoid TSM.


I editted my post. I forgot that TSM first, M second meant you want to be first in Group B if you want to avoid TSM.
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Therealdevil
Profile Joined May 2010
Netherlands1021 Posts
August 19 2011 13:42 GMT
#1263
I wouldn't be surprised if Wickd said "I can take his Nidalee" cause he is that much of a kid.
ExoFun
Profile Joined August 2010
Netherlands2041 Posts
August 19 2011 13:44 GMT
#1264
On August 19 2011 22:42 mercurial wrote:
I wouldn't be surprised if Wickd said "I can take his Nidalee" cause he is that much of a kid.

Yea hope he get's switched for another player.... he can only play bruisers etc.

somebody has a link of the interviews afterwards?

locodoco
Profile Joined July 2010
Korea (South)1615 Posts
August 19 2011 13:44 GMT
#1265
[image loading]
for cascades
i wish riot would give me better ping
Aurdon
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2007 Posts
August 19 2011 13:45 GMT
#1266
On August 19 2011 22:42 NeoIllusions wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 19 2011 22:40 Aurdon wrote:
On August 19 2011 22:36 NeoIllusions wrote:
On August 19 2011 22:34 BlueBird. wrote:
Well semi - finals are decided, kind of curious how this third game plays out..

Is it possible a team tries to throw the game cause they would rather play vs Mill, instead of TSM, Do you still play the hardest possible and show your strat when it's possible you meet in the finals?

-_-


If I was CLG, I would try to take 2nd place in Group B. They're secured into semis, so try to take the easier bracket.

But not sure if they want to "play" the bracket like that.


Has CLG ever played Millennium before? Did they lose? Because they lost on more than one occasion to TSM and that was with Chauster and not Salce and not Jiji on AD.

Unless Millennium stomped CLG in the past at some point. I would think CLG would want to avoid TSM.


I editted my post. I forgot that TSM first, M second meant you want to be first in Group B if you want to avoid TSM.



Yeah I honestly wasn't sure on your analysis. I mean, some people might think CLG wants to face TSM considering they stomped them just recently in the China qualifiers.

I honestly don't recall if CLG and Millennium have ever met.

We need a LoLiquipedia.
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23335 Posts
August 19 2011 13:45 GMT
#1267
I have a hard time believing any melee with mana can take a nidalee except irelia pre nerf to ultimate. Maybe akali and lee sin can. (Hotshot had to go out of his way to get chain mail and frozen heart rush when laning vs LS and that was mid lane...)
locodoco
Profile Joined July 2010
Korea (South)1615 Posts
August 19 2011 13:45 GMT
#1268
no team wants to play vs tsm atm
i wish riot would give me better ping
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
August 19 2011 13:46 GMT
#1269
On August 19 2011 22:42 Slayer91 wrote:
Except headshot only works after a teamfight and bullet time probably isn't so good versus bruisers that are diving on mf anyway.
It takes one arrow to end an even game and neither of those ults have that consistently. The team also constantly has to play more safely than usual becaues of the threat of an arrow, wasting flashes and things that could be teamfight deciding later.


Late game, you wouldn't trade ECA for anything. But levels 6-13, I think Cait or MF might have been able to do more in team fights.

Dunno. Ashe is still a godly pick. Just wish jiji would line up his ultis better...

gogo CLG~
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NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
August 19 2011 13:47 GMT
#1270
On August 19 2011 22:44 locodoco wrote:
[image loading]
for cascades


lolololol Loco.

If I could +1 you right now, I would.
ModeratorFor the Glory that is TeamLiquid (-9 | 155) | Discord: NeoIllusions#1984
Senx
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Sweden5901 Posts
August 19 2011 13:47 GMT
#1271
I saw a renekton bullying hotshots nidalee hard in solo queue some weeks ago, he was just perma aggressive but that probably wont work that well in competitive 5s because of better ganks.
"trash micro but win - its marine" MC commentary during HSC 4
kenwoo
Profile Joined August 2010
United States484 Posts
August 19 2011 13:47 GMT
#1272
On August 19 2011 22:41 NeoIllusions wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 19 2011 22:38 kenwoo wrote:
the only reason SK lost this game was not spotting them at level 1 jungle and the fact that they didnt ban nidalee, they were actually doing really good at bot lane, dragons and doing quite well in mid with ganks from nocturne but they couldn't handle the push from hotshotgg and wetdream was so far behind from that first blood that he couldnt gank mid or top early


FB on Noc is definitely not the reason why SK lost. SK was behind in every lane except bot.
Candypandah never converted his godly farm into anything tangible in team fights.


inorder to stop nidalee from farming so hard is to kill her before she can reach level 6, WW got manhandled from lee sin ganks and nidalee while nocturne was still trying to clear his jungle, that first blood was gold because they stole wraths, small golem plus lizard which means nidalee and annie are completely free from ganks early and annie got that first blood puts him above ocelote and got a kill with tibbers as well. It definitely was a reason why SK lost, WetDream plays a SICK nocturne but he couldnt do shit this game he was not a threat at all throughout the game and he was 2 levels behind everyone.
Slow Motion
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States6960 Posts
August 19 2011 13:47 GMT
#1273
it's just sad that chauster couldnt make it cause I love seeing jiji's ap mid play (especially with orianna if not banned)
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
August 19 2011 13:48 GMT
#1274
On August 19 2011 22:45 locodoco wrote:
no team wants to play vs tsm atm


I still think CLG is stronger, if China qualis are any indicator.

But wouldn't you want to take an easier route to the Finals? wynaut? You already got stuck in the harder group.
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DrKlingmann
Profile Joined December 2010
Poland356 Posts
August 19 2011 13:48 GMT
#1275
On August 19 2011 22:44 locodoco wrote:
img --> THE MAP <-- img
for cascades

LoL :D
best strategy guide ever :-P
--- EUNE Jarpen ---
locodoco
Profile Joined July 2010
Korea (South)1615 Posts
August 19 2011 13:48 GMT
#1276
sk had their chance to win when nid started roaming and ww caught back up on farm
but some1(dont remember who) getting caught in mid lost them the game
i wish riot would give me better ping
Smokincoyote
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Australia57 Posts
August 19 2011 13:49 GMT
#1277
On August 19 2011 22:42 FR4CT4L wrote:
I gotta agree with Neo here, if Jiji stays on ashe and his arrows don't tighten up there will be trouble heading forward. No other team is just going to let Hotshot do his thing for free anymore if they are smart.


Except with Hotshot being such a threat top it can become a toss up between shutting down Hotshot or maintaining dragon and bot control. SK managed to take just about every drag that game if not all of them - with the trade off of letting free farm top go to Hotshot. Unless someone can beat him in lane the team will always have to swing top to shut him down and lose drag control, or let him free farm.
Wickd showed what happens when your can't at least match Hotshot in lane while he is playing any champ that he is competent with.
<(^.^(< ^(^.^)^ >)^.^)>
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
August 19 2011 13:49 GMT
#1278
On August 19 2011 22:47 kenwoo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 19 2011 22:41 NeoIllusions wrote:
On August 19 2011 22:38 kenwoo wrote:
the only reason SK lost this game was not spotting them at level 1 jungle and the fact that they didnt ban nidalee, they were actually doing really good at bot lane, dragons and doing quite well in mid with ganks from nocturne but they couldn't handle the push from hotshotgg and wetdream was so far behind from that first blood that he couldnt gank mid or top early


FB on Noc is definitely not the reason why SK lost. SK was behind in every lane except bot.
Candypandah never converted his godly farm into anything tangible in team fights.


inorder to stop nidalee from farming so hard is to kill her before she can reach level 6, WW got manhandled from lee sin ganks and nidalee while nocturne was still trying to clear his jungle, that first blood was gold because they stole wraths, small golem plus lizard which means nidalee and annie are completely free from ganks early and annie got that first blood puts him above ocelote and got a kill with tibbers as well. It definitely was a reason why SK lost, WetDream plays a SICK nocturne but he couldnt do shit this game he was not a threat at all throughout the game and he was 2 levels behind everyone.


I see your point but I would credit that more to CLG's joint decision to steal Wraith/Red. Not so much the FB by Salce. Dying to Salce was simply adding salt to the injury.
ModeratorFor the Glory that is TeamLiquid (-9 | 155) | Discord: NeoIllusions#1984
locodoco
Profile Joined July 2010
Korea (South)1615 Posts
August 19 2011 13:51 GMT
#1279
On August 19 2011 22:49 NeoIllusions wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 19 2011 22:47 kenwoo wrote:
On August 19 2011 22:41 NeoIllusions wrote:
On August 19 2011 22:38 kenwoo wrote:
the only reason SK lost this game was not spotting them at level 1 jungle and the fact that they didnt ban nidalee, they were actually doing really good at bot lane, dragons and doing quite well in mid with ganks from nocturne but they couldn't handle the push from hotshotgg and wetdream was so far behind from that first blood that he couldnt gank mid or top early


FB on Noc is definitely not the reason why SK lost. SK was behind in every lane except bot.
Candypandah never converted his godly farm into anything tangible in team fights.


inorder to stop nidalee from farming so hard is to kill her before she can reach level 6, WW got manhandled from lee sin ganks and nidalee while nocturne was still trying to clear his jungle, that first blood was gold because they stole wraths, small golem plus lizard which means nidalee and annie are completely free from ganks early and annie got that first blood puts him above ocelote and got a kill with tibbers as well. It definitely was a reason why SK lost, WetDream plays a SICK nocturne but he couldnt do shit this game he was not a threat at all throughout the game and he was 2 levels behind everyone.


I see your point but I would credit that more to CLG's joint decision to steal Wraith/Red. Not so much the FB by Salce. Dying to Salce was simply adding salt to the injury.

what really fucked nocturn was saint taking his double golems afterwards
saint sealed noc's fate with that move
credit : lapaka
i wish riot would give me better ping
SplashbackFerret
Profile Joined October 2009
New Zealand846 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-19 13:53:29
August 19 2011 13:51 GMT
#1280
On August 19 2011 22:41 daemir wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 19 2011 22:39 Smokincoyote wrote:
I still don't understand why SK went for Rumble instead of a more standard AP caster - particularly coming out of the previous EU meta of two AP... seemed unnecessary and gave them really poor burst dmg


I think it's because Oce plays quite a bit of rumble and feels very comfortable with it.


I personally think it was to abuse the WW ult + Rumble ult dynamic. SK did first-pick warwick after all. They did that combo a few times in later team fights and it did crazy damage the one time sv didn't immediately stun WW out of it - they were just too far behind to really capilatize at that point imo.
Splashy the Splashback Awareness Ferret
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